If you're going to post a mix ...keep it tight ! [Archive]

Martin Red

11-13-2003, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by DJ George Bates:

I plan to be one of the great ones.....

Faire One and I talk about this all the time ( top 30 smile.gif )....if you want to be great you have to be different.....

.....

Take something that ain't " house " and make it house....I'll elaborate on that in a set/cd to come ! smile.gif

any thoughts ? -

Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
I've been running thru mixes on line and 80% of what's out there sucks !

In that 80% did you also recall how many "great dj's" you encountered in this category out of the 800 + mixes you have checked out on this site ? ? ?

[ November 13, 2003, 08:15 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

Red D

11-13-2003, 08:27 AM

Nothing personal but I'd say mind your own business and if you think your mixes are the standard, then just try to get people to listen to those.
Maybe you should go and tell the music industry to bring only music you like onto the market?

Some people who just start mixing might just maybe want to hear an honest opinion on their not so perfect mixes, and the last thing they need is someone who they don't know to go about and mock their efforts.

And if you're sure 80% of the mixes on-line are crap then you spend too much time on the internet...

All in good spirit, but this is one of the most arrogant posts I've read in a while...

RD

imported_Gman

11-13-2003, 08:33 AM

Tac, where are you ? graemlins/biglaugha.gif

lyot

11-13-2003, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Red D:
Nothing personal but I'd say mind your own business and if you think your mixes are the standard, then just try to get people to listen to those.
Maybe you should go and tell the music industry to bring only music you like onto the market?

Some people who just start mixing might just maybe want to hear an honest opinion on their not so perfect mixes, and the last thing they need is someone who they don't know to go about and mock their efforts.

And if you're sure 80% of the mixes on-line are crap then you spend too much time on the internet...

All in good spirit, but this is one of the most arrogant posts I've read in a while...

RD graemlins/all_coholic.gif graemlins/all_coholic.gif graemlins/all_coholic.gif

thanks for coming in my defense Red ! !! ;)

JMJ

11-13-2003, 08:36 AM

I think I'm emotionally scarred after reading this......JMJ

Red D

11-13-2003, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by JMJ:
I think I'm emotionally scarred after reading this......JMJ Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! It's a sad day :(

RD

JMJ

11-13-2003, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by Red D:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
I think I'm emotionally scarred after reading this......JMJ Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! It's a sad day :(

RD [/QUOTE]There is a package on it's way to you, Red. Might be my last one after reading this.....JMJ graemlins/mecry.gif

sammyrock

11-13-2003, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Gman:
Tac, where are you ? graemlins/biglaugha.gif EXEPTPS from the book of T.A.C Quote"YOU SUCK" lol :D ;)

dj c-los

11-13-2003, 08:55 AM

I know there's no excuses on my mixes but my records were warped. I'm going to keep playing my warped collection until I have enough $$$ to rebuy those records.
:(

Red D

11-13-2003, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by JMJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Red D:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
I think I'm emotionally scarred after reading this......JMJ Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! It's a sad day :(

RD [/QUOTE]There is a package on it's way to you, Red. Might be my last one after reading this.....JMJ graemlins/mecry.gif [/QUOTE]The slacker in me promises a package in return, although I'm not sure if my mixes are tight enough to send them across the Atlantic ;)

Big Sexy will testify my slacking abilities, his t-shirt has been gathering dust for a couple of months now...as have Kelvy's cd's...but I will prevail!

RD

Tony Cano

11-13-2003, 09:16 AM

i personally dont mind listening to mixes that are not tight. i welcome new djs to the scene and appreciate them for what they are trying to do.

this is what dhp is all about. sharing your music and taking in positive inputs on how to improve.

the is part of the "elite" attitude that hurts the scene. do you remember back in the day when you and all your friends were djs. vinyl was flying off the walls at your local record store. shit we all sucked, but it didn't matter. we were just trying to mimic the big dawgs.

[ November 13, 2003, 09:21 AM: Message edited by: Tony Cano ]

Bold Soul

11-13-2003, 09:20 AM

Bwahahahahaha! George can't get a co-sign! graemlins/rofl.gif

Why not?! :eek: graemlins/rofl.gif

Martin Red

11-13-2003, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by Martin Red:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ George Bates:

I plan to be one of the great ones.....

Faire One and I talk about this all the time ( top 30 smile.gif )....if you want to be great you have to be different.....

.....

Take something that ain't " house " and make it house....I'll elaborate on that in a set/cd to come ! smile.gif

any thoughts ? -

Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
I've been running thru mixes on line and 80% of what's out there sucks !

In that 80% did you also recall how many "great dj's" you encountered in this category out of the 800 + mixes you have checked out on this site ? ? ? [/QUOTE]ANSWER DAMMIT !

graemlins/thumbsup.gif @ Tony Cano

djezmike

11-13-2003, 09:38 AM

Check out my mix. It's called "Enjoy The Silence"
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( U cant even tell when one song is coming in and the other is going out.) ;)

DJ Keith Porter

11-13-2003, 09:39 AM

Here is a tight mix...
A tight mix for you! (http://www.mix.com/mix/)
Enjoy.
I lookforward to you feed back! graemlins/scared.gif

The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove

11-13-2003, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by djezmike:
Check out my mix. It's called "Enjoy The Silence"
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( U cant even tell when one song is coming in and the other is going out.) ;) Nice playlist graemlins/thumbsup.gif

dj c-los

11-13-2003, 09:50 AM

the crackhouse

11-13-2003, 09:51 AM

Hey, Victor Rosado can't mix sometimes, or he don't want to, but it's sooooooo gooood !

What do you mean by it sucks ?

blackwax

11-13-2003, 10:01 AM

why has it always got to be about the darn mix
some of the most rated dj's where not great mixers
its should be about track selection and in a club reading the crowd

but i would say that my mixing aint tight!

Deep Ezy

11-13-2003, 10:21 AM

I was listening to a mix online from a guy who cannot mix well sometimes....but hey! F*** that, he's name was Lerry Levan...

peace, ezy

Cordell

11-13-2003, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by DJ Keith Porter:
Here is a tight mix...
A tight mix for you! (http://www.mix.com/mix/)
Enjoy.
I lookforward to you feed back! graemlins/scared.gif It sucked!!! not up to par with the 80% Sorry, but you asked... (I didn't actually listen to it but I thought I throw out some feed back.) smile.gif

richierich

11-13-2003, 10:29 AM

Ron Hardy wasn't the best mixer all the time either..BUT HE COULD DAMN SURE BEAT A PARTY!! TO HELL WITH ALL THIS PERFECTION SHIT JUST GIVE ME SOME RAW ASS ENERGY!!

And

11-13-2003, 10:39 AM

Out of curiosity when does it bother people that a mix or set is not to their liking. I understand being open and supportive but sometimes a mix or set does "suck."

MusicFilter

11-13-2003, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
I've been running thru mixes on line and 80% of what's out there sucks !

Vocals on vocals .....tracks OBVIOUSLY too fast or slow.....

What happened to " pride in the product " ?

Some of yall wearing the hat ain't using the headphones !

listen before you put isht out there...

If I can't be proud of my product... it won't be put out there !

can I get a Amen from the congregation ?! So why do you listen to these mixes George to critique them?

I feel you about being proud, I have a few mixes out there myself. Far be it for me to listen to someone's mix and criticize it.

When you say track too fast or too slow, for whose standards are you referring to?

We all have our methods, standards and practices but unless you are out there to teach people I say just listen enjoy or not- BUT DON'T BE SO HARSH.

We all didn't start out being as good as we are now.

Bold Soul

11-13-2003, 10:59 AM

Everyone agrees that, in the current market, the music depends on the DJ's presentation...so if the mix doesn't hold a particular standard of quality, what does that do to the perception of the music?

Especially for the CONSUMER, whose SOLE MEANS OF EXPOSURE to the music is THE DJ SET?

I swear, this entire genre has been hijacked.

GROOVE VICTIM

11-13-2003, 11:05 AM

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/wost/data2.jpg

Would the music be so wonderful if we "ALL" could mix like Data?

I think not.

Peace

Brut by Faberge

11-13-2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/wost/data2.jpg

Would the music be so wonderful if we "ALL" could mix like Data?

I think not.

Peace remember when data went all evil?

you can't tell me wicked data would not rock the club!!!

The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove

11-13-2003, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/wost/data2.jpg

Would the music be so wonderful if we "ALL" could mix like Data?

I think not.

Peace remember when data went all evil?

you can't tell me wicked data would not rock the club!!! [/QUOTE]graemlins/rofl.gif

The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove

11-13-2003, 11:14 AM

Data is dead. He shall never get to rock a crowd. graemlins/mecry.gif

GROOVE VICTIM

11-13-2003, 11:14 AM

Yeah, but if we all had his positronic brain, would we all mix the same, or different. Would there be clashing vocals, records being slammed, Loft style of mixing?

Are we ants or individuals?

GROOVE VICTIM

11-13-2003, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
Data is dead. He shall never get to rock a crowd. graemlins/mecry.gif Don't mean to hijack the thread but did he die in the last film, I never saw it.

Brut by Faberge

11-13-2003, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
Data is dead. He shall never get to rock a crowd. graemlins/mecry.gif r.i.p. data...

The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove

11-13-2003, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
Data is dead. He shall never get to rock a crowd. graemlins/mecry.gif Don't mean to hijack the thread but did he die in the last film, I never saw it. [/QUOTE]Yeah the bastards(writers) killed him off.

Bold Soul

11-13-2003, 11:20 AM

Okay, so...back to the issue at hand...

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Everyone agrees that, in the current market, the music depends on the DJ's presentation...so if the mix doesn't hold a particular standard of quality, what does that do to the perception of the music?

Especially for the CONSUMER, whose SOLE MEANS OF EXPOSURE to the music is THE DJ SET?

I swear, this entire genre has been hijacked.

The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove

11-13-2003, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Okay, so...back to the issue at hand...

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Everyone agrees that, in the current market, the music depends on the DJ's presentation...so if the mix doesn't hold a particular standard of quality, what does that do to the perception of the music?

Especially for the CONSUMER, whose SOLE MEANS OF EXPOSURE to the music is THE DJ SET?

I swear, this entire genre has been hijacked. [/QUOTE]There are quite a few party goers who don't really care how the music is mixed. Having a good time is more important. Like others have stated in this thread even the legends of the game have/had times when their mixes are lacking(in a technical sense).

Bold Soul

11-13-2003, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Okay, so...back to the issue at hand...

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Everyone agrees that, in the current market, the music depends on the DJ's presentation...so if the mix doesn't hold a particular standard of quality, what does that do to the perception of the music?

Especially for the CONSUMER, whose SOLE MEANS OF EXPOSURE to the music is THE DJ SET?

I swear, this entire genre has been hijacked. [/QUOTE]There are quite a few party goers who don't really care how the music is mixed. Having a good time is more important. Like others have stated in this thread even the legends of the game have/had times when their mixes are lacking(in a technical sense). [/QUOTE]Well, I know people "say" they don't care how the music is mixed, but consumers don't purchase House music. What they do with their dollars speaks far louder than what they do with their mouths/keyboards.

If the music depends on the DJ, then the DJ should be responsible for the music. Again, to quote 6 23 - "take care of the music".

Jamie 3:26

11-13-2003, 11:41 AM

Thanks Greg.I knew I heard it a few years ago .I remember when they had those in HJ.I passed.I have a laminated late pass in my wallet...

ramar

11-13-2003, 11:48 AM

(nothing)

[ November 13, 2003, 11:50 AM: Message edited by: ramar ]

Tony Cano

11-13-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Big Sexy:
Thanks Greg.I knew I heard it a few years ago .I remember when they had those in HJ.I passed.I have a laminated late pass in my wallet... WRONG THREAD - put that j down.

tc

Tony Cano

11-13-2003, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Okay, so...back to the issue at hand...

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Everyone agrees that, in the current market, the music depends on the DJ's presentation...so if the mix doesn't hold a particular standard of quality, what does that do to the perception of the music?

Especially for the CONSUMER, whose SOLE MEANS OF EXPOSURE to the music is THE DJ SET?

I swear, this entire genre has been hijacked. [/QUOTE]There are quite a few party goers who don't really care how the music is mixed. Having a good time is more important. Like others have stated in this thread even the legends of the game have/had times when their mixes are lacking(in a technical sense). [/QUOTE]Well, I know people "say" they don't care how the music is mixed, but consumers don't purchase House music. What they do with their dollars speaks far louder than what they do with their mouths/keyboards.

If the music depends on the DJ, then the DJ should be responsible for the music. Again, to quote 6 23 - "take care of the music". [/QUOTE]Danny - your mixing apples and oranges. i know you are not trying to justify blaming newbie internet mixes with the decline of house music?

tc

Jamie 3:26

11-13-2003, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by Tony Cano:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Big Sexy:
Thanks Greg.I knew I heard it a few years ago .I remember when they had those in HJ.I passed.I have a laminated late pass in my wallet... WRONG THREAD - put that j down.

tc [/QUOTE]graemlins/rofl.gif

The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove

11-13-2003, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Okay, so...back to the issue at hand...

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Everyone agrees that, in the current market, the music depends on the DJ's presentation...so if the mix doesn't hold a particular standard of quality, what does that do to the perception of the music?

Especially for the CONSUMER, whose SOLE MEANS OF EXPOSURE to the music is THE DJ SET?

I swear, this entire genre has been hijacked. [/QUOTE]There are quite a few party goers who don't really care how the music is mixed. Having a good time is more important. Like others have stated in this thread even the legends of the game have/had times when their mixes are lacking(in a technical sense). [/QUOTE]Well, I know people "say" they don't care how the music is mixed, but consumers don't purchase House music. What they do with their dollars speaks far louder than what they do with their mouths/keyboards.

If the music depends on the DJ, then the DJ should be responsible for the music. Again, to quote 6 23 - "take care of the music". [/QUOTE]I feel you. But at the same time I have heard hiphop mix CD's and live DJ sets where they were technically lacking as well. I think maybe the sales dollars that house brings in has little to do with how it is being mixed.

Tony Cano

11-13-2003, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Okay, so...back to the issue at hand...

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Everyone agrees that, in the current market, the music depends on the DJ's presentation...so if the mix doesn't hold a particular standard of quality, what does that do to the perception of the music?

Especially for the CONSUMER, whose SOLE MEANS OF EXPOSURE to the music is THE DJ SET?

I swear, this entire genre has been hijacked. [/QUOTE]There are quite a few party goers who don't really care how the music is mixed. Having a good time is more important. Like others have stated in this thread even the legends of the game have/had times when their mixes are lacking(in a technical sense). [/QUOTE]Well, I know people "say" they don't care how the music is mixed, but consumers don't purchase House music. What they do with their dollars speaks far louder than what they do with their mouths/keyboards.

If the music depends on the DJ, then the DJ should be responsible for the music. Again, to quote 6 23 - "take care of the music". [/QUOTE]I feel you. But at the same time I have heard hiphop mix CD's and live DJ sets where they were technically lacking as well. I think maybe the sales dollars that house brings in has little to do with how it is being mixed. [/QUOTE]"blame the dj for the downfall of house music" is a valid arguement, but deserves it's own thread. this thread focuses on keeping internet mixes "tight". i will take off my moderator hat now.

Bold Soul

11-13-2003, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by Tony Cano:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Okay, so...back to the issue at hand...

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Everyone agrees that, in the current market, the music depends on the DJ's presentation...so if the mix doesn't hold a particular standard of quality, what does that do to the perception of the music?

Especially for the CONSUMER, whose SOLE MEANS OF EXPOSURE to the music is THE DJ SET?

I swear, this entire genre has been hijacked. [/QUOTE]There are quite a few party goers who don't really care how the music is mixed. Having a good time is more important. Like others have stated in this thread even the legends of the game have/had times when their mixes are lacking(in a technical sense). [/QUOTE]Well, I know people "say" they don't care how the music is mixed, but consumers don't purchase House music. What they do with their dollars speaks far louder than what they do with their mouths/keyboards.

If the music depends on the DJ, then the DJ should be responsible for the music. Again, to quote 6 23 - "take care of the music". [/QUOTE]Danny - your mixing apples and oranges. i know you are not trying to justify blaming newbie internet mixes with the decline of house music?

tc [/QUOTE]Not at all. What I am attempting to discern is the relationship of a plethora of free and UNSOLICITED mixes as it effects consumer perception of the genre.

If a perception of "quality" exists and it is ignored by the same DJs upon which the music depends, this could have a drastic effect.

The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove

11-13-2003, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Tony Cano:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Okay, so...back to the issue at hand...

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Everyone agrees that, in the current market, the music depends on the DJ's presentation...so if the mix doesn't hold a particular standard of quality, what does that do to the perception of the music?

Especially for the CONSUMER, whose SOLE MEANS OF EXPOSURE to the music is THE DJ SET?

I swear, this entire genre has been hijacked. [/QUOTE]There are quite a few party goers who don't really care how the music is mixed. Having a good time is more important. Like others have stated in this thread even the legends of the game have/had times when their mixes are lacking(in a technical sense). [/QUOTE]Well, I know people "say" they don't care how the music is mixed, but consumers don't purchase House music. What they do with their dollars speaks far louder than what they do with their mouths/keyboards.

If the music depends on the DJ, then the DJ should be responsible for the music. Again, to quote 6 23 - "take care of the music". [/QUOTE]Danny - your mixing apples and oranges. i know you are not trying to justify blaming newbie internet mixes with the decline of house music?

tc [/QUOTE]Not at all. What I am attempting to discern is the relationship of a plethora of free and UNSOLICITED mixes as it effects consumer perception of the genre.

If a perception of "quality" exists and it is ignored by the same DJs upon which the music depends, this could have a drastic effect. [/QUOTE]Are the majority of possible house consumers getting their exposure to house on the net? If the answer is yes, then I wholeheartedly agree. If no, then I don't see it.

Bold Soul

11-13-2003, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Tony Cano:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Okay, so...back to the issue at hand...

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Everyone agrees that, in the current market, the music depends on the DJ's presentation...so if the mix doesn't hold a particular standard of quality, what does that do to the perception of the music?

Especially for the CONSUMER, whose SOLE MEANS OF EXPOSURE to the music is THE DJ SET?

I swear, this entire genre has been hijacked. [/QUOTE]There are quite a few party goers who don't really care how the music is mixed. Having a good time is more important. Like others have stated in this thread even the legends of the game have/had times when their mixes are lacking(in a technical sense). [/QUOTE]Well, I know people "say" they don't care how the music is mixed, but consumers don't purchase House music. What they do with their dollars speaks far louder than what they do with their mouths/keyboards.

If the music depends on the DJ, then the DJ should be responsible for the music. Again, to quote 6 23 - "take care of the music". [/QUOTE]Danny - your mixing apples and oranges. i know you are not trying to justify blaming newbie internet mixes with the decline of house music?

tc [/QUOTE]Not at all. What I am attempting to discern is the relationship of a plethora of free and UNSOLICITED mixes as it effects consumer perception of the genre.

If a perception of "quality" exists and it is ignored by the same DJs upon which the music depends, this could have a drastic effect. [/QUOTE]Are the majority of possible house consumers getting their exposure to house on the net? If the answer is yes, then I wholeheartedly agree. If no, then I don't see it. [/QUOTE]This is what I got from George's command to "keep it tight"...

A number of posts over this past week revealed that consumer receives his or her House music through the DJ set.

If the majority of consumers can only get this music from the DJ, then what responsibility does the DJ have toward the genre?

lyot

11-13-2003, 12:32 PM

hello all,

aren't there plenty of 'not-to-perfect' mixes to be found on the net in EVERY genre ? Probably even much much more in Techno or Trance..I don't think this is responsible for the downgrade of house music..

greetings

Bold Soul

11-13-2003, 12:33 PM

Again...If the majority of consumers can only get this music from the DJ, then what responsibility does the DJ have toward the genre?

lyot

11-13-2003, 12:36 PM

Danny, these mixes are always free on the net..People take that into account..If they don't like a mix they downloaded, they just take another one.. It's only consuming their time, nothing more .. (i know you're gonna say that time is money, go ahead.. ;)

also, I would like to question the amount of wack mixes (80%) that's been quoted here.. That's just bullshit.. Not even 10% of the DHP mixes is not worth listening too..If you are having problems with 80% of the mixes, then you are clearly a DJ, not a consumer.. :D

The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove

11-13-2003, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Tony Cano:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Okay, so...back to the issue at hand...

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Everyone agrees that, in the current market, the music depends on the DJ's presentation...so if the mix doesn't hold a particular standard of quality, what does that do to the perception of the music?

Especially for the CONSUMER, whose SOLE MEANS OF EXPOSURE to the music is THE DJ SET?

I swear, this entire genre has been hijacked. [/QUOTE]There are quite a few party goers who don't really care how the music is mixed. Having a good time is more important. Like others have stated in this thread even the legends of the game have/had times when their mixes are lacking(in a technical sense). [/QUOTE]Well, I know people "say" they don't care how the music is mixed, but consumers don't purchase House music. What they do with their dollars speaks far louder than what they do with their mouths/keyboards.

If the music depends on the DJ, then the DJ should be responsible for the music. Again, to quote 6 23 - "take care of the music". [/QUOTE]Danny - your mixing apples and oranges. i know you are not trying to justify blaming newbie internet mixes with the decline of house music?

tc [/QUOTE]Not at all. What I am attempting to discern is the relationship of a plethora of free and UNSOLICITED mixes as it effects consumer perception of the genre.

If a perception of "quality" exists and it is ignored by the same DJs upon which the music depends, this could have a drastic effect. [/QUOTE]Are the majority of possible house consumers getting their exposure to house on the net? If the answer is yes, then I wholeheartedly agree. If no, then I don't see it. [/QUOTE]This is what I got from George's command to "keep it tight"...

A number of posts over this past week revealed that consumer receives his or her House music through the DJ set.

If the majority of consumers can only get this music from the DJ, then what responsibility does the DJ have toward the genre? [/QUOTE]I get what you are saying (and agree) but I don't think online mixes by newbie Djs(myself included because I have only been Djing for a few years) hurt consumer demand. In the clubs is a different story.

richierich

11-13-2003, 12:37 PM

The DJ is responsible for keeping the PARTY rockin'. A rockin' PARTY is not all the time based on how technically perfect the DJ is.

[ November 13, 2003, 12:42 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

e-man

11-13-2003, 12:38 PM

I am new to the board and I have sat and LURKED for a while now, feeling it is time for me to unlurk myself. First of all, from what I can see, it seems as if people are using this board for personal attacks, which is wrong. Slandering other dj's names and parties. Whatever happened to if it ain't broke don't try to fix it? Yes, the house scene in Chicago is becoming stale. But who is to blame? Not the people (The crowd), but the dj's. Do you all think there are only dj's looking at these threads? No. The people, the crowd, house heads, are looking as well. With all of the bickering and internet fighting it's no wonder people aren't coming out to parties anymore. Some people on this board act like children and it is really sad to see our people, blacks, act the way we do and then, when things don't go our way we cry and moan. Blaming everyone but the people who should be blamed. US! We have no unity. This thread is a case in point. Why would George post something like this? What was his point? If he didn't like the mixes he listened to then move on to another one until you find one you do like. Constructive critism is one thing, but to bash someone just for the sake of doing it, that's a little trifling.
I, too, am a dj. I don't make my living djing, but it is a hobby of mines. I am not the best mixer, but I am not the worse, either. But I will never degrade another to make myself look good, which is what I see going on on this board. Some of us are too old for this kind of childish behavior and it needs to stop. George, I am sure you weren't always the best mixer you feel you are today, and I am sure there were people who thought your mixes weren't tight, once upon a time. SO why degrade others the way that you have? No two dj's mix the same, which is what makes each one unique. Respect that, first. What's killing the scene? Threads like this. I have read some of the threads in the past and I think some people post subjects up just to get attention; wether good or bad. There are alot of people on this board who just like to start confusion and chaos and it definitely needs to stop. Every one on this board seems to know everything but the comments and replies, to me, show how little they really do know. A man and woman of knowledge doesn't have to step on others toes to get noticed, because he is knowledgable enough to know there are other methods, kinder, of going about getting his or her point across. People on this board seem to be knowledgable, but not smart enough to know you don't have to put others down to make yourself look good. We are all adults, let's act like it. We, the older generation, are the problem. We set bad examples for the new comers. We show them what NOT to do. Dj's from the past embraced eachother, not the scene. They supported one another, not the scene. You all seem to care too much about the scene and not the music. There is a lot of knowledge on this board, and it shows, but it isn't being used. Knowledge learned and not used is fruitless. Let's cut the crap and bring back the unity.

tim

11-13-2003, 12:40 PM

I agree with Tano Cano and I also appreciate mixes that may no be perfect..Ive been checkin DHP since 2000 and thru time I've experience such a variety of expressions in music..some i liked, and them there was some that didnt quite appeal to me...

House is'nt as popular as it once was so Iam willing to keep my genre of choice alive by accepting it all..even the flawed...

PEACE..TIM

Bold Soul

11-13-2003, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by lyot:
Danny, these mixes are always free on the net..People take that into account..If they don't like a mix they downloaded, they just take another one.. It's only consuming their time, nothing more .. (i know you're gonna say that time is money, go ahead.. ;)

also, I would like to question the amount of wack mixes (80%) that's been quoted here.. That's just bullshit.. Not even 10% of the DHP mixes is not worth listening too..If you are having problems with 80% of the mixes, then you are clearly a DJ, not a consumer.. :D This is a truth - the mixes on the DHP are actually the best quality music one can find on the net.

JMJ

11-13-2003, 12:44 PM

Would someone please give me lessons?? I don't want to be in that 80% any longer. I'm very serious. Hell, I can't even mix Kool-Aid and water without throwing Vodka in it and phucking it all up. Please help me. I've wasted 23 years and can't go on any longer like this.....JMJ graemlins/mecry.gif

lyot

11-13-2003, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lyot:
Danny, these mixes are always free on the net..People take that into account..If they don't like a mix they downloaded, they just take another one.. It's only consuming their time, nothing more .. (i know you're gonna say that time is money, go ahead.. ;)

also, I would like to question the amount of wack mixes (80%) that's been quoted here.. That's just bullshit.. Not even 10% of the DHP mixes is not worth listening too..If you are having problems with 80% of the mixes, then you are clearly a DJ, not a consumer.. :D This is a truth - the mixes on the DHP are actually the best quality music one can find on the net. [/QUOTE]also, I think we gotta be carefull not to look at mixes from a Dj point of view..A consumer (not a dj) looks at a totally different way at mixes and they often don't hear the small mistakes or whatever goes wrong..For them, it's just about the music and much less about the technical skills..

lyot

11-13-2003, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by JMJ:
Would someone please give me lessons?? I don't want to be in that 80% any longer. I'm very serious. Hell, I can't even mix Kool-Aid and water without throwing Vodka in it and phucking it all up. Please help me. I've wasted 23 years and can't go on any longer like this.....JMJ graemlins/mecry.gif sent me your records.. you're hopeless case. .And stop highjacking the thread.. ;)

Bold Soul

11-13-2003, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by lyot:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lyot:
Danny, these mixes are always free on the net..People take that into account..If they don't like a mix they downloaded, they just take another one.. It's only consuming their time, nothing more .. (i know you're gonna say that time is money, go ahead.. ;)

also, I would like to question the amount of wack mixes (80%) that's been quoted here.. That's just bullshit.. Not even 10% of the DHP mixes is not worth listening too..If you are having problems with 80% of the mixes, then you are clearly a DJ, not a consumer.. :D This is a truth - the mixes on the DHP are actually the best quality music one can find on the net. [/QUOTE]also, I think we gotta be carefull not to look at mixes from a Dj point of view..A consumer (not a dj) looks at a totally different way at mixes and they often don't hear the small mistakes or whatever goes wrong..For them, it's just about the music and much less about the technical skills.. [/QUOTE]I think no one has really taken the time to determine WHAT the CONSUMER wants.

Does the consumer enjoy their dancing interrupted by a terribly-off blend? Does the consumer enjoy being taken out of the vibe when the programming and arrangement of the set is bad? How

Shit - you couldn't DJ a wedding reception successfully with some of these sets?

DJ George Bates

11-13-2003, 12:48 PM

Ya know... I wasn't talking about mixes even on this site....But if I offended somebody ..sorry.

And if I further offended someone by saying I want to be the best @ what I'm trying to do... kiss my ass !

In no way am i an elitist about this dj thing...

again....I do want to be a dj who touches somebody....

I could give less than a shit about somebody who sees themselves in that post and takes offense to it...

I think there a bunch of mixes that get posted on the net that are shitty ....it has nothing to do with my standard and everythig to do with my opinion...

I also believe there a bunch of talented dj's who consistently play well... it's my opinion...

däp

11-13-2003, 12:58 PM

e-man, welcome to the board.

George, i must say you have done the unthinkable imo. to critique someone in your own field is a big no no. beyond the obvious, art is in the eye of the beholder.

how dare you state that 80% of what's out there "sucks". please state your qualifications/credentials and then come again. you have just added to the demise of that to which you aspire. and please don't backpedal.

who are you to say someone shouldn't put their stuff on-line? dare i say, without the internet might you be lesser known? the internet is truly one of the last bastions of freedom we have and you want to limit it to those of a certain skill level. please. i think i read you wrong. out.

[ November 13, 2003, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: t o r i n ]

DJ George Bates

11-13-2003, 01:02 PM

I just finished reading this whole thread and I agree rocking a party and making a mix cd are 2 entirely different things.....

I enjoyed dj's back in the day who could rock a crowd and not blend at all... it was the emotion behind the music....

It seems as if a group of you are really offended by this post of mine...if you took it personally ....why?

it wasn't personally directed at anyone of you.

And you're correct.. if I don't enjoy a mix ... move on.

trust me.. I do.

If you are new to this and learning... I wholeheartedly support learning the craft...it ain't easy.

I am not the end all to be all in this...I want to be better than i am.

I'm sooooooo sorry i offened some people. i really am.

oh well....

And

11-13-2003, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Again...If the majority of consumers can only get this music from the DJ, then what responsibility does the DJ have toward the genre? Tracklistings! - Share the information, pass it along. Most on here don't sell their mixes or can't legally so perhaps ensuring the consumer knows who the artists are that they're listening to is a step in the right direction. I know it helps me. I can honestly say 90% of my record purchases have been as a result of DHP ... Share the knowledge and it can translate to dollars for the artists.

e-man

11-13-2003, 01:04 PM

Thanks Torin.

So easy a protic can do it (QUAD)

11-13-2003, 01:04 PM

hey goerge, here's my mix;

... --- ... --- ... --- ... --- ... --- ... --- ... --- ... --- ... --- ... --- ... ___ ___ ___ ... ___ ___ ___ ... --- . ---- .. --- ..... --

TITLE WILL BE LISTED "IN BLUEBLACKNESS" AT A MORSE CODE TRANSLATOR NEAR YOU!! graemlins/acclaim.gif

DJ George Bates

11-13-2003, 01:10 PM

Torin....

I won't back pedal on it...not at all. I don't mean to say I want to limit what someone post to their own site... or any site...

I do feel that a dj shouldn't be trainwrecking for 40 minutes and calling it a performance of a quality measure....

You're right if the net didn't exist none of you would have any idea who i am nor I you...

I am grateful for the net....If I came/come across as arrogant , sometimes I am.

This has been an interesting thread to me....

So much passion....

richierich

11-13-2003, 01:14 PM

I'm kinda seeing two sides to this.
1. the man has a right to his opinion and he kept it real. nothing wrong with keeping it real. We all have opinions some just choose not to express them for whatever reasons(they wait until they get behind your back to say that you sucked while smiling in your face). Gotta give the impression that everything is all good even when it's not. If he thinks stuff sucks then that's his opinion.
I would ask what sucks about it and what a person could do to improve on it. There is a way of doing things maybe his delivery didn't come off as others would have wanted but that's what makes us all different anyways.

2.Everybody is at different levels technically. What's good to you may be shitty to me and vice versa.

People that hear music at a club are not going to avoid buying a dope ass record because the DJ didn't blend it perfectly.

Make sure that you do the best that you can do.that's all that I would want people to aspire to..you'll get better with practice.

AGAIN YA MUST NOT HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO RON IF YA THINK PERFECT BLENDS ARE ALL THAT MATTERS.

lyot

11-13-2003, 01:15 PM

hey Eman, welcome to the board.. smile.gif

TRACKLISTS are essential.. People are lazy.. If you don't feed them with the names of the tracks, they will most of the time not look any further..

Danny, I think you are exaggerating.. There are some bad mixes online, but not to the extent you're describing them...All in all, I think it's not a technical problem..If house doesn't aspire the masses, I think it's mainly because of the music in itself...So then you have to ask yourself, do we have to change the music in order to apply to the masses ? I personally don't think that should be done..

Bold Soul

11-13-2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by lyot:
hey Eman, welcome to the board.. smile.gif

TRACKLISTS are essential.. People are lazy.. If you don't feed them with the names of the tracks, they will most of the time not look any further..

Danny, I think you are exaggerating.. There are some bad mixes online, but not to the extent you're describing them...All in all, I think it's not a technical problem..If house doesn't aspire the masses, I think it's mainly because of the music in itself...So then you have to ask yourself, do we have to change the music in order to apply to the masses ? I personally don't think that should be done.. Um...I don't think I'm the one exaggerating, lyot? I don't have an issue with mix quality perse. I'm asking does it have bearing on consumer perception - that's all.

As far as House not aspiring to the masses, it's offspring, such as Dance and Lounge seem to reach the masses just fine.

däp

11-13-2003, 01:19 PM

i in no way support blowing smoke up someone's ass.

someone, anyone, please define "tight".

i'm not a big shit-talker. it's not cool, period. let your skills do the talking.

[ November 13, 2003, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: t o r i n ]

And

11-13-2003, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
I think no one has really taken the time to determine WHAT the CONSUMER wants.

Does the consumer enjoy their dancing interrupted by a terribly-off blend? Does the consumer enjoy being taken out of the vibe when the programming and arrangement of the set is bad? How

Shit - you couldn't DJ a wedding reception successfully with some of these sets? I don't think anyone can deny that they dislike bad set arrangements and trainwrecks and yes we all hear and respond to the music in different ways. The point that seems to be made over and over here is, it's how you express your displeasure that is important. Are you constructive or destructive?
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"Osondi Owendi" - "it pleases some, it displeases others."

TAC

11-13-2003, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
I've been running thru mixes on line and 80% of what's out there sucks !Yes, yes, i agree, but actually, the number is higher. Its really 99% of the DJs' out there SUCK!!!

See, I ain't the only one saying. Where's you mix, by the way? I haven't even heard it, and I bet it SUCKS too!!

TAC

DJ George Bates

11-13-2003, 01:28 PM

R-R..

I was there for the Ron parties and you are correct...

all i meant was this :

I spent last night surfing different sights and I was dissappointed by alot of what i heard.....

I don't mean to offend anyone here.... we as dj's all have ego's and i see I've struck nerves here...

i just had a conversation with one of you via phone and I enjoyed the conversation... thanx.

Look...it ain't personal so don't take it that way..i'm one person trying to be better..

I grew up listening to wbmx and wgci AND Frankie and Ron....

my opinions... that's all.

i am sorry to those I offended but these are opinions....

Leslie

11-13-2003, 01:29 PM

Brut by Faberge

11-13-2003, 01:30 PM

Jamie 3:26

11-13-2003, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
R-R..

I was there for the Ron parties and you are correct...

all i meant was this :

I spent last night surfing different sights and I was dissappointed by alot of what i heard.....

I don't mean to offend anyone here.... we as dj's all have ego's and i see I've struck nerves here...

i just had a conversation with one of you via phone and I enjoyed the conversation... thanx.

Look...it ain't personal so don't take it that way..i'm one person trying to be better..

I grew up listening to wbmx and wgci AND Frankie and Ron....

my opinions... that's all.

i am sorry to those I offended but these are opinions.... Phuck your opinion and Phuck House.... graemlins/rofl.gif

Welcome to the world of DHP....

12th house

11-13-2003, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by t o r i n:
e-man, welcome to the board.

no disrespect to this e-man that has recently joined DHP but this is not EMan from NYC (BTP/Deep See). Just wanted to clear that up.

you may now return to your regularly scheduled thread :D

JMJ

11-13-2003, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by lyot:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Would someone please give me lessons?? I don't want to be in that 80% any longer. I'm very serious. Hell, I can't even mix Kool-Aid and water without throwing Vodka in it and phucking it all up. Please help me. I've wasted 23 years and can't go on any longer like this.....JMJ graemlins/mecry.gif sent me your records.. you're hopeless case. .And stop highjacking the thread.. ;) [/QUOTE]30 records are on their way. I'm done. Good luck......JMJ graemlins/mecry.gif

DJ George Bates

11-13-2003, 01:31 PM

TAC...

you can hear mixes that I've done on my site, barries site, or faire one's site...also i believe on bring the heat..

by tight , I meant keep the trainwrecks to a minimum....people program differently...I think 60 minutes of trainwrecks isn't cool....

Brut by Faberge

11-13-2003, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by 6 23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
I think no one has really taken the time to determine WHAT the CONSUMER wants.

Does the consumer enjoy their dancing interrupted by a terribly-off blend? Does the consumer enjoy being taken out of the vibe when the programming and arrangement of the set is bad? How

Shit - you couldn't DJ a wedding reception successfully with some of these sets? I don't think anyone can deny that they dislike bad set arrangements and trainwrecks and yes we all hear and respond to the music in different ways. The point that seems to be made over and over here is, it's how you express your displeasure that is important. Are you constructive or destructive?
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"Osondi Owendi" - "it pleases some, it displeases others." [/QUOTE]6 23 honey...speakin of train wrecks...i got some birdhouse CDs for you when i see you (for real this time). are you ready?!? graemlins/grinyes.gif

richierich

11-13-2003, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
R-R..

I was there for the Ron parties and you are correct...

all i meant was this :

I spent last night surfing different sights and I was dissappointed by alot of what i heard.....

I don't mean to offend anyone here.... we as dj's all have ego's and i see I've struck nerves here...

i just had a conversation with one of you via phone and I enjoyed the conversation... thanx.

Look...it ain't personal so don't take it that way..i'm one person trying to be better..

I grew up listening to wbmx and wgci AND Frankie and Ron....

my opinions... that's all.

i am sorry to those I offended but these are opinions.... Man I'm cool I can respect the fact that everyone has an opinion and I realy didn't take offense to anything. But I do wonder if messages sometimes get lost in the delivery. Don't even trip..I'm still learning my damn self.

DJ George Bates

11-13-2003, 01:33 PM

Big Sexy smile.gif smile.gif

JMJ smile.gif smile.gif

Brut by Faberge

11-13-2003, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
60 minutes of trainwrecks isn't cool.... hahaha! OMG! Can you link me to a mix that trainwrecks at every blend? that would have to be so bad it's good...and if you link me to my own sig line ... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

däp

11-13-2003, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by 12th house:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by t o r i n:
e-man, welcome to the board.

no disrespect to this e-man that has recently joined DHP but this is not EMan from NYC (BTP/Deep See). Just wanted to clear that up.

you may now return to your regularly scheduled thread :D [/QUOTE]yeah, i checked with him directly. welcome, nonetheless.

e-man

11-13-2003, 01:36 PM

Thanks, LYOT.

TAC

11-13-2003, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
TAC...

you can hear mixes that I've done on my site, barries site, or faire one's site...also i believe on bring the heat..

by tight , I meant keep the trainwrecks to a minimum....people program differently...I think 60 minutes of trainwrecks isn't cool.... Lord have his mercy!! I lisrened, they SUCK. Trust me...

And

11-13-2003, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
6 23 honey...speakin of train wrecks...i got some birdhouse CDs for you when i see you (for real this time). are you ready?!? graemlins/grinyes.gif Music to my ears BirdHouse!

http://www.glass-stones.com/square8/.sold/birdhouse.01.gif

I promise to be constructive in my review. ;)

[ November 17, 2003, 10:45 PM: Message edited by: 6 23 ]

Leslie

11-13-2003, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TAC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
I've been running thru mixes on line and 80% of what's out there sucks !Yes, yes, i agree, but actually, the number is higher. Its really 99% of the DJs' out there SUCK!!!

See, I ain't the only one saying. Where's you mix, by the way? I haven't even heard it, and I bet it SUCKS too!!

TAC [/QUOTE]neither of you are DJs. [/QUOTE]Wait, did you just say my Big Brotha is not a DJ? I just want to clarify exactly what you mean here.

däp

11-13-2003, 01:46 PM

is there really any way around the comments in question? is there any other way to interpret them other than how they are written? no!

this obviously has stricken a nerve within me and i'm not sure why. maybe it's the lack of humility that comes from the unlearned (and others) these days. you see kids coming off with attitude who have only played in their bedrooms or in their best friend's living room. truly untested.

it's this "i'm better than you" thing that gets to me. "this mix was better than that one," or "this one had too many train wrecks." believe me, if someone's online (or other) mix is that bad, it will be reflected by a low number of hits or is probably posted on a less-than-professional site. elitist attitudes are my peeve. now you know.

done.

[ November 13, 2003, 01:48 PM: Message edited by: t o r i n ]

JMJ

11-13-2003, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
60 minutes of trainwrecks isn't cool.... hahaha! OMG! Can you link me to a mix that trainwrecks at every blend? that would have to be so bad it's good...and if you link me to my own sig line ... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif [/QUOTE]Mix 998 in the archives. Mixes as awful as cold, lumpy gravy......JMJ graemlins/puke.gif

The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove

11-13-2003, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lyot:
hey Eman, welcome to the board.. smile.gif

TRACKLISTS are essential.. People are lazy.. If you don't feed them with the names of the tracks, they will most of the time not look any further..

Danny, I think you are exaggerating.. There are some bad mixes online, but not to the extent you're describing them...All in all, I think it's not a technical problem..If house doesn't aspire the masses, I think it's mainly because of the music in itself...So then you have to ask yourself, do we have to change the music in order to apply to the masses ? I personally don't think that should be done.. Um...I don't think I'm the one exaggerating, lyot? I don't have an issue with mix quality perse. I'm asking does it have bearing on consumer perception - that's all.

As far as House not aspiring to the masses, it's offspring, such as Dance and Lounge seem to reach the masses just fine. [/QUOTE]If that is all you are asking then I would say no. House Djs are no different that any other type of Dj. You have all levels of technical skills. I'm sure you could got to a hiphop page and here off beat blends and bad scratching etc...

Bill Blake

11-13-2003, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by JMJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
60 minutes of trainwrecks isn't cool.... hahaha! OMG! Can you link me to a mix that trainwrecks at every blend? that would have to be so bad it's good...and if you link me to my own sig line ... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif [/QUOTE]Mix 998 in the archives. Mixes as awful as cold, lumpy gravy......JMJ graemlins/puke.gif [/QUOTE]Thats Gman's mix right?

The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove

11-13-2003, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by JMJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lyot:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Would someone please give me lessons?? I don't want to be in that 80% any longer. I'm very serious. Hell, I can't even mix Kool-Aid and water without throwing Vodka in it and phucking it all up. Please help me. I've wasted 23 years and can't go on any longer like this.....JMJ graemlins/mecry.gif sent me your records.. you're hopeless case. .And stop highjacking the thread.. ;) [/QUOTE]30 records are on their way. I'm done. Good luck......JMJ graemlins/mecry.gif [/QUOTE]Stop please.... graemlins/rofl.gif

TAD

11-13-2003, 01:56 PM

can't wait to contribute to the suck factor graemlins/OLA.gif

[ November 13, 2003, 01:56 PM: Message edited by: Cosmic_Twin ]

JMJ

11-13-2003, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
60 minutes of trainwrecks isn't cool.... hahaha! OMG! Can you link me to a mix that trainwrecks at every blend? that would have to be so bad it's good...and if you link me to my own sig line ... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif [/QUOTE]Mix 998 in the archives. Mixes as awful as cold, lumpy gravy......JMJ graemlins/puke.gif [/QUOTE]Thats Gman's mix right? [/QUOTE]No. Much worse......JMJ :(

Brut by Faberge

11-13-2003, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Leslie:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TAC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
I've been running thru mixes on line and 80% of what's out there sucks !Yes, yes, i agree, but actually, the number is higher. Its really 99% of the DJs' out there SUCK!!!

See, I ain't the only one saying. Where's you mix, by the way? I haven't even heard it, and I bet it SUCKS too!!

TAC [/QUOTE]neither of you are DJs. [/QUOTE]Wait, did you just say my Big Brotha is not a DJ? I just want to clarify exactly what you mean here. [/QUOTE]oh shit i stepped it...

hi leslie, i was just restating the little known fact that 99% of people with two turntables and some records are not real DJs because they will never become legends, and most of all because they/we suck. it does not mean that you really are not a DJ and that you really suck, it just means that you are not really a DJ and you suck...you see how i mean? :D

GrantB

11-13-2003, 02:09 PM

Speaking for my region (West Coast), the tightness of the mix is a huge part of "consumer satisfaction". Sometimes it seems as though it's the clubgoers only criteria for the quality of a set. Being a "good" house dj has been boiled down to how tight you can beatmatch.

IMO, this attitude has contributed to the vanillafication of the music and an ever-intensifying feedback loop of blandness. If a dj selects all beat tracks and dubs with no song form that all sound the similar and have the same highly compressed beat, it sounds "tight". More djs playing like this = more djs buying records that sound the same = more records being put out for djs (the actual consumer) that are the same. Note: it also helps if the record is full of subsonic mush to overdrive your mixer and you play it on a low-resolution sound system. Tight!

This criteria for the quality of a dj seems restricted to house (again, in my region). Some of the most popular hip hop djs here (and the best at rocking a party), can barely hold a blend for two bars or even cut on the one. They play SONGS that people want to hear and dance to.

As you might imagine, it's tough to mix classics for much of the "house" crowd out here. I had a blast playing for the b-boys on Monday though. Go figure.

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No mix link...
'cause I SUCK!

Leslie

11-13-2003, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TAC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
I've been running thru mixes on line and 80% of what's out there sucks !Yes, yes, i agree, but actually, the number is higher. Its really 99% of the DJs' out there SUCK!!!

See, I ain't the only one saying. Where's you mix, by the way? I haven't even heard it, and I bet it SUCKS too!!

TAC [/QUOTE]neither of you are DJs. [/QUOTE]Wait, did you just say my Big Brotha is not a DJ? I just want to clarify exactly what you mean here. [/QUOTE]oh shit i stepped it...

hi leslie, i was just restating the little known fact that 99% of people with two turntables and some records are not real DJs because they will never become legends, and most of all because they/we suck. it does not mean that you really are not a DJ and that you really suck, it just means that you are not really a DJ and you suck...you see how i mean? :D [/QUOTE]Gotcha!

beaniboy67

11-13-2003, 02:18 PM

i think ive heard around 20 trainwrecks out of all the mixes ive listened to online but then again i usually just listen to dhp mixes,unheardhousedjs and another few chosen sights.

one of my fav djs is frankie and ive listened to a lot of his mixes on this site and there are also a lot of others mixes of his i have on disc.I have to say frankie is not un-familiar with a train wreck now and again.

i myself havent been spinning for a long time but i no what records are good and what records are crap(i think) and that is more important.I wasnt sure about my mixing skills until recently as im usually always self critical when it comes to music.(probably because i was in a indie/rock/phycedelic band for 5 years).

The main benefit of the internet and being available to post mixes is so people like me can put there mixes up for feedback.I put my first online mix on my handle below about 5 weeks ago so i could get expert opinions from people on this site.

what i found out was that i can hold a blend and i can count my beats nicely.Maybe if my mixing had been a little worse or un listenable i could have been given encouragement and a little help on tweeking what i was doing wrong.

i suppose this is a begginers £0.02p.

but i think the more mixes the better.cos as someone said before the general public dont really nowmuch about mixing and most of them dont care as long as the songs are good!! smile.gif

TAC

11-13-2003, 02:30 PM

99.9999999% This is how certain I am...

DELA

11-13-2003, 03:32 PM

I feel no out here should judge on how well a person's mix is. There are a lot of cats out here who made think their mix is the best. Okay, who said it was wrong to feel good about something you've done. Everyone has their own style in playing music. There may one or two blends that are off, vocals on vocals, or music being to fast and slow. Is there a rule book or do's and don't on how to spin? All I have to say is give the newcomers a chance. Not everyone started off on the top graemlins/respekt.gif

DELA

11-13-2003, 03:35 PM

sorry for the typos...proper grammar is important..I wouldn't want to be judged on grammar :(

GROOVE VICTIM

11-13-2003, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by TAC:
99.9999999% This is how certain I am... http://www.digitalanarchy.com/photos_elements/matrix-clipart.jpg

lyot

11-13-2003, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by GrantB:
Speaking for my region (West Coast), the tightness of the mix is a huge part of "consumer satisfaction". Sometimes it seems as though it's the clubgoers only criteria for the quality of a set. Being a "good" house dj has been boiled down to how tight you can beatmatch.

IMO, this attitude has contributed to the vanillafication of the music and an ever-intensifying feedback loop of blandness. If a dj selects all beat tracks and dubs with no song form that all sound the similar and have the same highly compressed beat, it sounds "tight". More djs playing like this = more djs buying records that sound the same = more records being put out for djs (the actual consumer) that are the same. Note: it also helps if the record is full of subsonic mush to overdrive your mixer and you play it on a low-resolution sound system. Tight!

This criteria for the quality of a dj seems restricted to house (again, in my region). Some of the most popular hip hop djs here (and the best at rocking a party), can barely hold a blend for two bars or even cut on the one. They play SONGS that people want to hear and dance to.

As you might imagine, it's tough to mix classics for much of the "house" crowd out here. I had a blast playing for the b-boys on Monday though. Go figure.

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No mix link...
'cause I SUCK! this reads like the story of Western Europe.. smile.gif Although I've got the impression that things are changing for the better now...The barriers between genres are gonna be torn down..

The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove

11-13-2003, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by JMJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
60 minutes of trainwrecks isn't cool.... hahaha! OMG! Can you link me to a mix that trainwrecks at every blend? that would have to be so bad it's good...and if you link me to my own sig line ... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif [/QUOTE]Mix 998 in the archives. Mixes as awful as cold, lumpy gravy......JMJ graemlins/puke.gif [/QUOTE]Thats Gman's mix right? [/QUOTE]No. Much worse......JMJ :( [/QUOTE]Hey! I like that mix. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/chair1.gif http://deephousepage.com/smilies/greenchainsaw.gif http://deephousepage.com/smilies/smashfreakB.gif

JMJ

11-13-2003, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by DELA:
sorry for the typos...proper grammar is important..I wouldn't want to be judged on grammar :( I like you already!......JMJ smile.gif

GrantB

11-13-2003, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by lyot:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GrantB:
Speaking for my region (West Coast), the tightness of the mix is a huge part of "consumer satisfaction". Sometimes it seems as though it's the clubgoers only criteria for the quality of a set. Being a "good" house dj has been boiled down to how tight you can beatmatch.

IMO, this attitude has contributed to the vanillafication of the music and an ever-intensifying feedback loop of blandness. If a dj selects all beat tracks and dubs with no song form that all sound the similar and have the same highly compressed beat, it sounds "tight". More djs playing like this = more djs buying records that sound the same = more records being put out for djs (the actual consumer) that are the same. Note: it also helps if the record is full of subsonic mush to overdrive your mixer and you play it on a low-resolution sound system. Tight!

This criteria for the quality of a dj seems restricted to house (again, in my region). Some of the most popular hip hop djs here (and the best at rocking a party), can barely hold a blend for two bars or even cut on the one. They play SONGS that people want to hear and dance to.

As you might imagine, it's tough to mix classics for much of the "house" crowd out here. I had a blast playing for the b-boys on Monday though. Go figure.

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No mix link...
'cause I SUCK! this reads like the story of Western Europe.. smile.gif Although I've got the impression that things are changing for the better now...The barriers between genres are gonna be torn down.. [/QUOTE]Yes! I should add that I feel optomistic about the situation too. House was in every club here a few years ago, but it has been gradually pushed out because the people were tired of listening to the same track all night. House is a bad word. Now you're hard pressed to find a house night, espeically in a club with over 100 capacity (the exception being big name visiting djs). All these "tight" house djs have dug their own grave. Just recently, we have been able to start taking over house nights with our eclectic mix of classics because we DON'T play house in the sense that they are used to. It is only a matter of time before those of us with a deeper understanding of the music can slip some of the good stuff back in there and rebuild the reputation of this music. Just don't say the H word.

music

11-13-2003, 04:20 PM

take note, ron hardy,larry levan and tee scott were not the best mixers of all time but these very same brothers had dam good skills for moving a party. they were good for programming the music all night long. that's why we went back to listen and dance .

i have heard djs mix but the music was for the crowd. it's not about the mix, it's about giving the consumer want they came for.

this fan listens to jamie 3:26, greg gray, alan king, andrew osborne, ronc and lil ray for diff. reasons. one moves me for thier mixing skills and the others for the programming skills.

[ November 13, 2003, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: music ]

Part Sixx

11-13-2003, 04:21 PM

Mack-Williams

11-13-2003, 04:22 PM

What's wrong with vocals on vocals? graemlins/conf44.gif

dj c-los

11-13-2003, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
What's wrong with vocals on vocals? graemlins/conf44.gif Vocal on vocals has that choir effect.
Maybe if your gonna mix vocals on vocals, you can pan one song to the right and the other record to the left and give it a cool effect!
graemlins/all_coholic.gif

Mack-Williams

11-13-2003, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by clos7:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
What's wrong with vocals on vocals? graemlins/conf44.gif Vocal on vocals has that choir effect.
Maybe if your gonna mix vocals on vocals, you can pan one song to the right and the other record to the left and give it a cool effect!
graemlins/all_coholic.gif [/QUOTE]I like good vocals on top of good vocals.

MusicFilter

11-13-2003, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by TAC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
I've been running thru mixes on line and 80% of what's out there sucks !Yes, yes, i agree, but actually, the number is higher. Its really 99% of the DJs' out there SUCK!!!

See, I ain't the only one saying. Where's you mix, by the way? I haven't even heard it, and I bet it SUCKS too!!

TAC [/QUOTE]I tell many of the people considering me that a man with a plunger makes not a plumber.!

Just because you have records and some equipment doesn't make you a DJ. If you are playin' music and you are the only one diggin' that music your ass shouldn't be DJin'.

We live in the age of DJ in a box. There are commercials on TV with dogs scratchin' behind two turntables, babies DJin'. It's fashionable just because a sucka puts on some headphones doesn't make him a DJ.

WWAAAAAAAKE UUUUUP!

Jamie 3:26

11-13-2003, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
What's wrong with vocals on vocals? graemlins/conf44.gif That was always a chicago no-no.I used to think that too,until I came to this site and peeped out some east coast cats.If done right,it's a call and response.

I like it,it just has to be done right.Whole verses over verses is plain terrible.

MusicFilter

11-13-2003, 04:45 PM

beaniboy67

11-13-2003, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Big Sexy:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
What's wrong with vocals on vocals? graemlins/conf44.gif That was always a chicago no-no.I used to think that too,until I came to this site and peeped out some east coast cats.If done right,it's a call and response.

I like it,it just has to be done right.Whole verses over verses is plain terrible. [/QUOTE]yeh i hear you 2 for defo.

when i was in the band i paid a lot of attention to the vocal arrangements and melodies and stuff so i guess when i started spinning i kinda new it was a no no(vocals over vocals).

call and response tho can sometimes blow your own mind when it happens.Sometimes the lyrics and melodies just compliment each other and the mix sounds like it was totally meant to be.

i try to also stick to no guitars with no guitars,no pianos with pianos ect ect during a mix.Not all the time tho because sometimes you just wanna drop that tune no matter what.

knowing my records more and more is also defo the key to me getting a little better and trying to improve behind the 1s and 2s smile.gif

TAC

11-13-2003, 05:25 PM

Mathematics!

beaniboy67

11-13-2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by TAC:
Mathematics! smile.gif you've always got summit ot say!

Number Two

11-13-2003, 06:12 PM

I do practice what you are saying George. You will notice that the last mix I have posted was from about 4 years ago. Matter of fact I had two of them that were posted up about the same time. I guess I had a good year,but nothing since then. graemlins/conf44.gif

Javier Drada

11-13-2003, 06:17 PM

Easy everyone, he's talking about my mix...

Sorry to offend you.

:rolleyes:

Martin Red

11-13-2003, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by TAC:
Mathematics! http://ati.ucsd.edu/images/quad_eq.gif

DJ George Bates

11-13-2003, 08:20 PM

Actually I was talking about no one in particular.....

"Vocals on Vocals" is not the call and response thing...thats not what I meant at all....

call and response is some dope stuff to hear and I admire those who can pull it off....

I have nothing but love for those who are learning and trying and if I've scarred anyone...sorry.

If you know me ( most don't ) you know I am deeply passionate about doing this....

i am also humble and human about it....

I played in front of JMJ about 3 weeks ago and was nervous because I admire and respect his opinion....as I admire and respect all of yours...

The comments earlier were opinions...nothing more...

I don't apologize for them because a few people got offended...it was not my intention , but it happened....

Someone said earlier that i wasn't always at the skill level I am now.... very true.

I am also no where near where i want to be..I'm not trying to spark hurt feelings ... just debate.

If i have done anything to tear down the feelings of unity in the house community...that i will apologize for .

Javier Drada

11-13-2003, 09:53 PM

Hey man people are just giving you shit, nothing new... I was kidding... If you pushed some buttons it's because DJ's are like that. It's just another lovely DHP day...

DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)

11-13-2003, 10:39 PM

Welcome aboard E-Man!!!

I think "trainwrecks" are unacceptable. That is, if your mix contains atleast 1 trainwreck, then you should think about it before posting it on the net. Of course it depends on how long the wreck lasts too. If it's 1-3 seconds then I usually let it slide, but anything longer= hmmmmmmm!

Don't get me wrong though, trainwrecks are natural and it happens to the best of them.

It also depends on the kind of music you're playing: house vs. disco...

In the end, we should respect what every dj (on this board) has to offer. Any discussions on a certain mix should be done in diplomatic fashion.

My 2 cents..

Edmund White

11-13-2003, 11:14 PM

As for what the consumer wants..... I think variety is important. I have a decent range of mixes on my site (http://djedwhite.com/mixes) and my listeners/consumers are VERY pleased. It's not about the big name... I'm a nobody in the DJ world....... It's also not just how well I can play live..... I haven't had a club residency in two years. It's about how the music makes the listener feel. Some people want to be moved by a mix..... such that they have the urge to get up and dance.... Others want something to bump in the car. Some people want a party-mix.... similar to what they'd hear in a club. Others want stuff for listening pleasure.... chill background music.... I think the audience has become more educated. The mystique of the DJ is no more.... It's accessible to everyone, and the barriers to entry are much lower now, compared to when I started in '93..... Think of rock guitar in the 1980's smile.gif

People totally look for different things in music. I can't come to this site and promote my mix CDs because a good number of the people on this board are DJs. There's nothing wrong with that, but I don't think that this board represents the average house-listener. I think it was TAC that came out and said that my mixes were trash. They aren't/weren't trash..... just not his style. There are a lot of strong personalities here, so it's best to not take it too seriously. We've had too much fighting on this board..

däp

11-14-2003, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
Actually I was talking about no one in particular.....

"Vocals on Vocals" is not the call and response thing...thats not what I meant at all....

call and response is some dope stuff to hear and I admire those who can pull it off....

I have nothing but love for those who are learning and trying and if I've scarred anyone...sorry.

If you know me ( most don't ) you know I am deeply passionate about doing this....

i am also humble and human about it....

I played in front of JMJ about 3 weeks ago and was nervous because I admire and respect his opinion....as I admire and respect all of yours...

The comments earlier were opinions...nothing more...

I don't apologize for them because a few people got offended...it was not my intention , but it happened....

Someone said earlier that i wasn't always at the skill level I am now.... very true.

I am also no where near where i want to be..I'm not trying to spark hurt feelings ... just debate.

If i have done anything to tear down the feelings of unity in the house community...that i will apologize for . you have completely destroyed the house community! now, be gone! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/pointlaugh.gif

[ November 14, 2003, 02:22 AM: Message edited by: t o r i n ]

DJ George Bates

11-14-2003, 07:03 AM

AWWWWW DAMMMMMMMMNNNNN !!!!! smile.gif

Ronnie Ron

11-14-2003, 07:28 AM

This was interesting to read George,

I have often given your mixes good feedback but they are not perfect by any means, they are very good but not perfect. You have your opinion on what you feel but i think you should take it easy with the critisizm folks dont get on the decks to dissapoint they do there best, lets look at the glass half full. Peace to you and keep on keepin on with those tight ass mix sets.

R-R

darrow

11-14-2003, 08:17 AM

I say f*ck it and post what you want, when you want, no matter how screwed up it is. There'll be people who'll tell you they love it (and maybe they do or maybe ) and people who will tell you to work on your skills. Whatever. If you've got the guts to put your stuff out there in it's less-than-perfect state, great.

No DJ has done anyone a moral injustice by offering up a mix with trainwrecks or other mixing issues. The listener isn't going to fall over and die if the vocals-on-vocals sounds more like a shouting match than a conversation.

I'm tired of all the rules and regulations of being a dj. Frankly, I just like to play music and hope that someone will listen (preferably not other DJs)

sammyrock

11-14-2003, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by DELA:
I feel no out here should judge on how well a person's mix is. There are a lot of cats out here who made think their mix is the best. Okay, who said it was wrong to feel good about something you've done. Everyone has their own style in playing music. There may one or two blends that are off, vocals on vocals, or music being to fast and slow. Is there a rule book or do's and don't on how to spin? All I have to say is give the newcomers a chance. Not everyone started off on the top graemlins/respekt.gif I agree,"WHAT WERE THE RULES" mixed by Ahmed Davis,that showed an ol skool mofo like me that there are no rules.George Bates has some nice mixes,but yet again we all are individuals.Thank the God were not the same or this place would be boring.In any case I fit into that 99.999999% of the book of T.A.C,so at least I admit it..."Its all love TAC"..lol :D

Brut by Faberge

11-14-2003, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by darrow:
No DJ has done anyone a moral injustice by offering up a mix with trainwrecks or other mixing issues. The listener isn't going to fall over and die if the vocals-on-vocals sounds more like a shouting match than a conversation.
icon_rofl.gif excellent...

däp

11-14-2003, 09:46 AM

bottom line: if i want your opinion, i'll ask for it.

end of discussion.

DJ George Bates

11-14-2003, 09:42 PM

I didn't mean to insult nor have I ever said i have mixed the perfect mix.... smile.gif

Guys .... All thru this , I've said I want to be better...

if i make a cd\mix and it sucks.... tell me!

i can take it because that's what will help me to improve...

I wasn't trying to personally attack anyone....really.

Sorry guys and gals for sharing my opinion...

next time i'll be more tactful smile.gif

JMJ

11-14-2003, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
I didn't mean to insult nor have I ever said i have mixed the perfect mix.... smile.gif

Guys .... All thru this , I've said I want to be better...

if i make a cd\mix and it sucks.... tell me!

i can take it because that's what will help me to improve...

I wasn't trying to personally attack anyone....really.

Sorry guys and gals for sharing my opinion...

next time i'll be more tactful smile.gif There will be no next time! You must die!!!.......JMJ AR15firing.gif

DJ George Bates

11-14-2003, 09:59 PM

Wait!!!! Please !!!!

one more chance kind sir !!!

PLEASE !!!! smile.gif

Mark Andrus

11-15-2003, 05:07 AM

The very occassional sets I post on my website are recorded "live" at DJ gigs, not in my house. Whatever your opinion of the music I play might be, posting a 3 or 4-hour set that's recorded in a club is a hell of a lot different than one recorded in a bedroom.

GrantB's comments were dead-on, and apply very well to the situation here in San Francisco. Aside from the die-hard loyalists (more of them here than in most places), the general club-going population is sick to death of "house" at the moment. Musical stagnation and an anal-retentive attitude toward technicalities might be a big part of this...I've heard countless DJ's who can match beats perfectly, utilizing sound-alike tracky stuff. Maybe they're specifically picking records to be "easy to mix" over any musical value. Special graemlins/cussing.gif to the ones who rehearse their whole damn set in advance.

Maybe part of the reason some DJ's "trainwreck" is that (with the occassional exception of records with bad edits or weird quantization) once you learn to beatmix with "modern" material it's almost mind-numbingly easy. I've been hearing some recent commercial mix CD's that had some pretty crappy mixes, maybe they're trying to purposely make it sound more "raw".

LEONARD REMIX RROY

11-15-2003, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
Wait!!!! Please !!!!

one more chance kind sir !!!

PLEASE !!!! smile.gif NO!!! now go to your room and listen to this 45 Record 45 times until you learn your lesson graemlins/rofl5.gif

http://jukar.biostat.wisc.edu/pics/rroy2.jpg
graemlins/snoopy.gif graemlins/eusa_dance.gif graemlins/alc.gif

DJ George Bates

11-15-2003, 01:52 PM

AWWW DAMMMMNNNN !!!!! smile.gif

YUJI-SAN

11-15-2003, 07:34 PM

YUJI-SAN

11-15-2003, 07:39 PM

check out my mix see if its tight. thanks MY MIX (http://www.heatherrahn.com/djsezy/mixes/yuji-san.ram)

GrantB

11-15-2003, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Mark Andrus:
GrantB's comments were dead-on, and apply very well to the situation here in San Francisco. Aside from the die-hard loyalists (more of them here than in most places), the general club-going population is sick to death of "house" at the moment. Musical stagnation and an anal-retentive attitude toward technicalities might be a big part of this...I've heard countless DJ's who can match beats perfectly, utilizing sound-alike tracky stuff. Maybe they're specifically picking records to be "easy to mix" over any musical value. Special graemlins/cussing.gif to the ones who rehearse their whole damn set in advance.
Hey Mark,

I haven't been to the Bay for a bit, so thanks for reporting from your area on this issue. I figured as much from takling to some SF djs lately.

What are your thoughts on this shift away from house in club music over here? What are some of the changes you are you seeing? What directions are you taking? Do you see this as an opportuntiy to change things for the better?

I've been thinking about this issue a lot lately and the more I think about it, the more it seems like the answer to our problems of stagnation and substandardization. It's a time of death and rebirth. It's a return to the time when a club dj wasn't a house dj or a trance dj or a hip hop dj, just a dj who played whatever was the right music for the moment. I feel like it's a chance for us to throw the best ideas in dance music back in the pot and see what we can cook up. It's a chance for us to reconnect with the breakers and art school dancers, old queens and disgruntled househeads, random party people, the youngsters, the scenesters, and the "real" musicians. Would be paint by numbers house producers will come to my nights and realize that they have to stack up against 30+ years of widely varried club classics and obscure jams to sell me a record, not sound like 99% of the generic new tracky shit stagnating in the house bins. Same thing for record store owners.

House will get some respect again if we only play the best of the best (old and new) and we re-integrate it with the larger context of club music. To many djs and "producers" and not enough dancers means we have to raise the bar of entry for the former and lower it for the later.

Once again, this is just where I'm seeing things from where I'm at right now. House heads keep on keepin on! (listening to Alan Kings new house mix right now. HOT!)

11-16-2003, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by GrantB:
Speaking for my region (West Coast), the tightness of the mix is a huge part of "consumer satisfaction". Sometimes it seems as though it's the clubgoers only criteria for the quality of a set. Being a "good" house dj has been boiled down to how tight you can beatmatch.

IMO, this attitude has contributed to the vanillafication of the music and an ever-intensifying feedback loop of blandness. If a dj selects all beat tracks and dubs with no song form that all sound the similar and have the same highly compressed beat, it sounds "tight". More djs playing like this = more djs buying records that sound the same = more records being put out for djs (the actual consumer) that are the same. Note: it also helps if the record is full of subsonic mush to overdrive your mixer and you play it on a low-resolution sound system. Tight!

This criteria for the quality of a dj seems restricted to house (again, in my region). Some of the most popular hip hop djs here (and the best at rocking a party), can barely hold a blend for two bars or even cut on the one. They play SONGS that people want to hear and dance to.

As you might imagine, it's tough to mix classics for much of the "house" crowd out here. I had a blast playing for the b-boys on Monday though. Go figure.

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No mix link...
'cause I SUCK! Brilliant! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/clap.gif

11-16-2003, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by Mark Andrus:
I've heard countless DJ's who can match beats perfectly, utilizing sound-alike tracky stuff. Maybe they're specifically picking records to be "easy to mix" over any musical value.

Nailed it!

Mike Johnson

11-16-2003, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by ewwhite:
I think it was TAC that came out and said that my mixes were trash. They aren't/weren't trash..... just not his style. Why should you feel so special as to not be dissed by big bad TAC. That's his opinion on just about every mix he's heard - including his own :D

djmarbll

11-16-2003, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Again...If the majority of consumers can only get this music from the DJ, then what responsibility does the DJ have toward the genre? I think the DJ has the responsibility to keep his/her genre exciting and pleasantly unpredictable. The year's I've been partying I've seen the crowd mature musically when it comes to house/disco/soul. They don't wanna hear the same 30 new or old songs at every party (that's been covered on too many threads to mention). Now the crowd wants to hear something dope that they might not have heard before. It could be a record from 2003 or 1973.

djmarbll

11-16-2003, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by 6 23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Again...If the majority of consumers can only get this music from the DJ, then what responsibility does the DJ have toward the genre? Tracklistings! - Share the information, pass it along. Most on here don't sell their mixes or can't legally so perhaps ensuring the consumer knows who the artists are that they're listening to is a step in the right direction. I know it helps me. I can honestly say 90% of my record purchases have been as a result of DHP ... Share the knowledge and it can translate to dollars for the artists. [/QUOTE]It would be a dream come true if all the mixes on the DHP had tracklistings. I think most of mine do. I like sharing musical info. That's one of the things that keeps people interested in the culture.

JMJ

11-17-2003, 12:51 AM

I'm still waiting for someone to step up and teach me how to blend like the 20 percenters!! Who's it going to be??.......JMJ graemlins/cool_shades.gif

11-17-2003, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by JMJ:
I'm still waiting for someone to step up and teach me how to blend like the 20 percenters!! Who's it going to be??.......JMJ graemlins/cool_shades.gif Not me. I'm the 80%. Seriously. :(

kara

11-17-2003, 02:56 AM

if people were (actually, when people DO) put out halfass lazy barely more than a beat records, you all voice your dismay ... i thought he was just speaking in general, about the need for djs to take more pride in their mixes (like producers and their productions) and for all not to accept such lazy work ...

i think he's right
there are tons of mixes on the internet that make me question why the damn dj would let that out there, as a representation of him/herself .... and there are even more bland mixes ... aka the 'mix-mass-ter' just cranking out mass mixes

i also inferred he spoke about himself as part of the 'dj crowd' he was addressing .. surprised so many people took offense

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but most things people said b/c offended, also were goodthoughts ..

this place is kinda tense

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(as an aside: eman speaketh the truth early up in here ! amen)

[ November 17, 2003, 02:57 AM: Message edited by: kara ]

11-17-2003, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by GrantB:

Once again, this is just where I'm seeing things from where I'm at right now. House heads keep on keepin on! (listening to Alan Kings new house mix right now. HOT!) [/QB]Thank you, Grant. Just noticed this. Glad you enjoyed it.

And

11-17-2003, 10:24 PM

See, this thread has it all:

*Suggestion to upgrade mix quality
*Defense for mixes being posted in whichever state the Dj wishes
*Putting it out there, ensuring commentary
*How commentary is made is important
*Question on whether ease and availability of mixes affect general perception of [quality] of House music as a genre
*Links to more mixes! - SCORE!

While we've aknowledged the million ways our aural experiences differ, is it really that mean to say a mix didn't move me or that I was able to appreciate the tracks but the trainwrecks and excessive knob tweaks made it a challenge. If a Dj aknowledges flubs in a mix and you agree, no harm done right?
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Then again, what barometer do people measure against? Is there one mix on DHP that most people agree is EXCELLENT! I'd be interested to see a poll of some kind to get an idea of what mix most of the ears that voted would agree on.
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[ November 17, 2003, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: 6 23 ]

And

11-17-2003, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by djmarbll:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Again...If the majority of consumers can only get this music from the DJ, then what responsibility does the DJ have toward the genre? Tracklistings! - Share the information, pass it along. Most on here don't sell their mixes or can't legally so perhaps ensuring the consumer knows who the artists are that they're listening to is a step in the right direction. I know it helps me. I can honestly say 90% of my record purchases have been as a result of DHP ... Share the knowledge and it can translate to dollars for the artists. [/QUOTE]It would be a dream come true if all the mixes on the DHP had tracklistings. I think most of mine do. I like sharing musical info. That's one of the things that keeps people interested in the culture. [/QUOTE]I have no cds .. So I'll just have to take your word for it. Ahem .. biggrinangel.gif