All the young girls love Alice...

[richierich]

Tender young Alice They'd say....
Come over and see me........
Come over and please me....
Alice it's my turn today......
Have you noticed how society and the media are kinda sending a message that it's okay and cool to have girl on girl stuff displayed everywhere?? We have gone from Father knows best to those Bud Lite commercials. America has (in my opinion) has left nothing to be desired anymore. Sex sells is an understatement but when the exception becomes the rule then.... what's next. The suits in entertainment are men for the most part and seeing women half naked being put in semi - lesbian situations where kids can normally view this is going way out. I dare them to put men in homo situations or have half naked men prancing around seling products. There would be a lot of insecure men that would be in an uproar. Is this turning into some Caligula type shit here or what?? Even like those party pics that people post showing girls kissing and hugging and some of those girls aint even lesbians... they are imitating something that has been portrayed as being cool. And guys are eating that shit up but they say they aren't with homosexuality.

[ April 18, 2003, 11:16 AM: Message edited by: richierich ]

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

At least Caligula (little boots) liked the idea of men prancing around naked and pawing and kissing. He was bisexual but loved men better.

[Wild i]

Originally posted by richierich:
Tender young Alice They'd say....
Come over and see me........
Come over and please me....
Alice it's my turn today......
Have you noticed how society and the media are kinda sending a message that it's okay and cool to have girl on girl stuff displayed everywhere?? We have gone from Father knows best to those Bud Lite commercials. America has (in my opinion) has left nothing to be desired anymore. Sex sells is an understatement but when the exception becomes the rule then.... what's next. The suits in entertainment are men for the most part and seeing women half naked being put in semi - lesbian situations where kids can normally view this is going way out. I dare them to put men in homo situations or have half naked men prancing around seling products. There would be a lot of insecure men that would be in an uproar. Is this turning into some Caligula type shit here or what?? You won't see a whole lot of male homosexual situations in "mainstream" media because that's not what straight men will admit to as a turn-on. On the other hand, for some reason men find lesbianism tres erotic. I don't get it, but...

I'm more concerned with the blatant images of children having sex. I'm not talking about kiddie porn, but the suggestion that it's okay for 15-16-17 year-olds to have sexual relations is very disturbing to me. In the real world I have see that they are simply not ready for it. I even had one 17 year-old girl tell me she was ashamed that she was 16 virginity. Most of her friends lost theirs at 12...TWELVE!!

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by richierich:
Tender young Alice They'd say....
Come over and see me........
Come over and please me....
Alice it's my turn today......
Have you noticed how society and the media are kinda sending a message that it's okay and cool to have girl on girl stuff displayed everywhere?? We have gone from Father knows best to those Bud Lite commercials. America has (in my opinion) has left nothing to be desired anymore. Sex sells is an understatement but when the exception becomes the rule then.... what's next. The suits in entertainment are men for the most part and seeing women half naked being put in semi - lesbian situations where kids can normally view this is going way out. I dare them to put men in homo situations or have half naked men prancing around seling products. There would be a lot of insecure men that would be in an uproar. Is this turning into some Caligula type shit here or what?? it has become sickening, devasting and destructive to society..trust me, we will pay for this at some point and time...and not in a good way...some of us are beginning to see how destructive this type of media lynching can be to our families and communities..

[Koffy Brown]

there is no end to the media ... i think it's just a matter of time before we begin to see male homosexuality on tv and in advertisements... if he is a consumer, why shouldn't he have the right to see images of himself being represented in the media ..

[mhd]

can't get more mainstream than will and grace

[Jamie 3:26]

Well I have heard 8-10 year old boys talking about sexing somebody.It's the images that projected to them.It's up to the parents to keep thos images out of their children's eyes.Yeah,you can't protect them 24-7,but keep that negative stuff away from them and install some self respect.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by mhd:
can't get more mainstream than will and grace true that...but i see it getting worse...

[JR JAM]

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

[Wild i]

Originally posted by mhd:
can't get more mainstream than will and grace Have you ever seen two men kissing on W & G (other than that one silly gay pride ep)? Even taking that one ep into account, have you ever seen anything on the scale of ER?

It's all about what titters the sense of the power brokers who, for the most part, are men -- either straight or playing straight in many cases.

I'm still more concerned about the children than anything.

[mhd]

Originally posted by Wild i:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
can't get more mainstream than will and grace Have you ever seen two men kissing on W & G (other than that one silly gay pride ep)? Even taking that one ep into account, have you ever seen anything on the scale of ER?

It's all about what titters the sense of the power brokers who, for the most part, are men -- either straight or playing straight in many cases.

I'm still more concerned about the children than anything. </font>[/QUOTE]i seem to recall some kissing on w&g, but queer as folk pulls no punches in its depiction of male on male sexual stuff, funny though the only stable relationship on the show is the lesbian couple.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wild i:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
can't get more mainstream than will and grace Have you ever seen two men kissing on W & G (other than that one silly gay pride ep)? Even taking that one ep into account, have you ever seen anything on the scale of ER?

It's all about what titters the sense of the power brokers who, for the most part, are men -- either straight or playing straight in many cases.

I'm still more concerned about the children than anything. </font>[/QUOTE]i seem to recall some kissing on w&g, but queer as folk pulls no punches in its depiction of male on male sexual stuff, funny though the only stable relationship on the show is the lesbian couple. </font>[/QUOTE]I heard queer as folk was atrocious...maybe I'll rent a couple of the dvd's...

[darrow]

Originally posted by richierich:
Tender young Alice They'd say....
Come over and see me........
Come over and please me....
Alice it's my turn today......
Have you noticed how society and the media are kinda sending a message that it's okay and cool to have girl on girl stuff displayed everywhere?? We have gone from Father knows best to those Bud Lite commercials. America has (in my opinion) has left nothing to be desired anymore. Sex sells is an understatement but when the exception becomes the rule then.... what's next. The suits in entertainment are men for the most part and seeing women half naked being put in semi - lesbian situations where kids can normally view this is going way out. I dare them to put men in homo situations or have half naked men prancing around seling products. There would be a lot of insecure men that would be in an uproar. Is this turning into some Caligula type shit here or what?? Even like those party pics that people post showing girls kissing and hugging and some of those girls aint even lesbians... they are imitating something that has been portrayed as being cool. And guys are eating that shit up but they say they aren't with homosexuality. I barely watch the tv anymore, so I'm a little clueless...

where or how is the girl-on-girl thing becoming more prominent? I channel-surfed by one of those ET-like shows last night (I think) and I think they were about to show something about some advertisers who are now showing women wrestling or fighting or something. Is that what the theme of this thread is in part referring to?

[mhd]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wild i:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
can't get more mainstream than will and grace Have you ever seen two men kissing on W & G (other than that one silly gay pride ep)? Even taking that one ep into account, have you ever seen anything on the scale of ER?

It's all about what titters the sense of the power brokers who, for the most part, are men -- either straight or playing straight in many cases.

I'm still more concerned about the children than anything. </font>[/QUOTE]i seem to recall some kissing on w&g, but queer as folk pulls no punches in its depiction of male on male sexual stuff, funny though the only stable relationship on the show is the lesbian couple. </font>[/QUOTE]I heard queer as folk was atrocious...maybe I'll rent a couple of the dvd's... </font>[/QUOTE]it certainly is groundbreaking in its realistic depiction of a lifestyle. funny how it is the leadin for soulfood.

[mhd]

Originally posted by darrow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
Tender young Alice They'd say....
Come over and see me........
Come over and please me....
Alice it's my turn today......
Have you noticed how society and the media are kinda sending a message that it's okay and cool to have girl on girl stuff displayed everywhere?? We have gone from Father knows best to those Bud Lite commercials. America has (in my opinion) has left nothing to be desired anymore. Sex sells is an understatement but when the exception becomes the rule then.... what's next. The suits in entertainment are men for the most part and seeing women half naked being put in semi - lesbian situations where kids can normally view this is going way out. I dare them to put men in homo situations or have half naked men prancing around seling products. There would be a lot of insecure men that would be in an uproar. Is this turning into some Caligula type shit here or what?? Even like those party pics that people post showing girls kissing and hugging and some of those girls aint even lesbians... they are imitating something that has been portrayed as being cool. And guys are eating that shit up but they say they aren't with homosexuality. I barely watch the tv anymore, so I'm a little clueless...

where or how is the girl-on-girl thing becoming more prominent? I channel-surfed by one of those ET-like shows last night (I think) and I think they were about to show something about some advertisers who are now showing women wrestling or fighting or something. Is that what the theme of this thread is in part referring to? </font>[/QUOTE]lesbian chic is everywhere, its almost de rigeur in rap videos

[darrow]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wild i:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
can't get more mainstream than will and grace Have you ever seen two men kissing on W & G (other than that one silly gay pride ep)? Even taking that one ep into account, have you ever seen anything on the scale of ER?

It's all about what titters the sense of the power brokers who, for the most part, are men -- either straight or playing straight in many cases.

I'm still more concerned about the children than anything. </font>[/QUOTE]i seem to recall some kissing on w&g, but queer as folk pulls no punches in its depiction of male on male sexual stuff, funny though the only stable relationship on the show is the lesbian couple. </font>[/QUOTE]I heard queer as folk was atrocious...maybe I'll rent a couple of the dvd's... </font>[/QUOTE]it certainly is groundbreaking in its realistic depiction of a lifestyle. funny how it is the leadin for soulfood. </font>[/QUOTE]MHD, are you being sarcastic or serious about queer as folk?

[And]

Darrow, I think he's referring to a general trend he's noticed.

[mhd]

Originally posted by darrow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wild i:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
can't get more mainstream than will and grace Have you ever seen two men kissing on W & G (other than that one silly gay pride ep)? Even taking that one ep into account, have you ever seen anything on the scale of ER?

It's all about what titters the sense of the power brokers who, for the most part, are men -- either straight or playing straight in many cases.

I'm still more concerned about the children than anything. </font>[/QUOTE]i seem to recall some kissing on w&g, but queer as folk pulls no punches in its depiction of male on male sexual stuff, funny though the only stable relationship on the show is the lesbian couple. </font>[/QUOTE]I heard queer as folk was atrocious...maybe I'll rent a couple of the dvd's... </font>[/QUOTE]it certainly is groundbreaking in its realistic depiction of a lifestyle. funny how it is the leadin for soulfood. </font>[/QUOTE]MHD, are you being sarcastic or serious about queer as folk? </font>[/QUOTE]good question

[richierich]

Even on pluggers for parties, not just the lesbi - chic syndrome I'm talking about the need to be sleezy thing altogether. For me I'm like enough already. I aint buyin' no beer just because they've got girls cat-fighting or going to a party because you've got pictures of girls kissing and hugging.. I'd be thinking that it's a girl party and they wouldn't be interested in partying with men anyways. It's like the'I can't sing but I've got nice boobs and nice abs???? Huh!!! What else ya got???

[Koffy Brown]

we've got next week which is national cut off your t.v. week...

[mhd]

Originally posted by darrow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wild i:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
can't get more mainstream than will and grace Have you ever seen two men kissing on W & G (other than that one silly gay pride ep)? Even taking that one ep into account, have you ever seen anything on the scale of ER?

It's all about what titters the sense of the power brokers who, for the most part, are men -- either straight or playing straight in many cases.

I'm still more concerned about the children than anything. </font>[/QUOTE]i seem to recall some kissing on w&g, but queer as folk pulls no punches in its depiction of male on male sexual stuff, funny though the only stable relationship on the show is the lesbian couple. </font>[/QUOTE]I heard queer as folk was atrocious...maybe I'll rent a couple of the dvd's... </font>[/QUOTE]it certainly is groundbreaking in its realistic depiction of a lifestyle. funny how it is the leadin for soulfood. </font>[/QUOTE]MHD, are you being sarcastic or serious about queer as folk? </font>[/QUOTE]serious then sarcastic, why do you ask?

[Mack-Williams]

Yeah you have to watch out for commericals. My eight year old son knows why to much for his age. I am driving talking to my sister about her newborn and she talking about that she wasn't having another one. He comes out and says I am not going to get anyone pregant because I am going to use protection. I turned around asked him were he learned that from he said I see the commericals. This had me in shock.

[darrow]

Originally posted by mhd:
serious then sarcastic, why do you ask? well...I've seen the show before (three times I think) and wasn't quite sure what lifestyle it was portraying. It seemed more like a soap opera to me with the twist of having gay male sex depicted very umm...in your face so to speak.

[darrow]

I remember giving a my sister and her 3 year old daughter a ride once and we were listening to the radio. Before the tune could even get good and started, my little niece was in the back seat nodding her head and saying "get your freak on...get your freak on". Guess she was a fan of Missy.

I think TV particularly has become literally painful. I just can't watch it. The images, the cheaply produced "reality" shows, the snarling political pundits, the 6packAbs commercials, the GirlsGoneBad commercials and on and on and on...it's all sickening. Is this what we are demanding to see? Is the media simply responding to a demand or are they creating one?

[ April 18, 2003, 01:50 PM: Message edited by: darrow ]

[Wild i]

99.9% of the kissing on W&G is hetero kissing.

I hear you about the sleaze factor, though. It's out of control. I'm a little put off by the fact that when folks start talking about the sleaze factor, they immediately ping on homosexuals, as though that is, in itself, sleazy. I'm sure many folks feel that way, but I disagree. As I said, I'm far more put off by depiction of young teens having sex, sneaking out to raves and doing drugs and alcohol.

Typically, humans need bigger and bigger thrills as they become desensitized to one thing or another. "Fear Factor" should be called "Disgusting Factor" in my opinion. People going on TV to find a "mate" and ending up sleeping with 6-7 people (it's not graphic, but implied). Murder as an interpersonal skill. Greed is good????

Do you know most cops never fire their weapon in the line of duty during their entire career? You would never know that from TV or movies.

As far as QaF is concern, yes, it is quite graphic, as is OZ. I don't think I'd use the word "atrocious," but it is graphic. But then again, that's pay TV. It's not just floating through the airways.

[konbit]

Originally posted by richierich:
I dare them to...have half naked men prancing around seling products. There would be a lot of insecure men that would be in an uproar. I think that this is already a reality.

On another note...why are people so intent on shielding kids from sexuality? There are (and have been) plenty of societies in which sex is not made out to be a taboo, adult-only topic. I'm not advocating that we sit our children down in front of the latest porno videos... But I do think that our tendency to shield them so completely actually makes them more apt to do it....and to do it without enough knowledge.

The classic example would be France. They allow their children to drink, and consequently have much lower rates of teen alcoholism, binge drinking, etc. Similarly, societies (including France) that are less repressed about sexuality often have lower teen pregnancy rates.

I don't think that we need to throw it in kids' faces. But at the same time, i think that ultra-protective attitudes just make it a common point for rebellion...and make us unwilling to teach them what they need to know. There is so much guilt, repression and unhappiness in this country that could be attributed to the sexual taboos that parents instill into their kids at a young age.

As for the girl-on-girl stuff...I have female friends who are quite into other girls, and it has nothing to do with the media. Who cares if girls are dancing together, kissing each other, sleeping together, etc.? Honestly, they'll probably end up less heartbroken, bitter and pregnant than if they did the same with men. As long as people are safe, legal, having fun and are happy, then what they do with themselves sexually really isn't anybody else's business.

Amazing how far we haven't gone since the Sexual Revolution...

[ April 18, 2003, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: konbit ]

[konbit]

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
Yeah you have to watch out for commericals. My eight year old son knows why to much for his age. I am driving talking to my sister about her newborn and she talking about that she wasn't having another one. He comes out and says I am not going to get anyone pregant because I am going to use protection. I turned around asked him were he learned that from he said I see the commericals. This had me in shock. Well...this is kind of a good thing, right?

[richierich]

Originally posted by konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
I dare them to...have half naked men prancing around seling products. There would be a lot of insecure men that would be in an uproar. I think that this is already a reality.

On another note...why are people so intent on shielding kids from sexuality? There are (and have been) plenty of societies in which sex is not made out to be a taboo, adult-only topic. I'm not advocating that we sit our children down in front of the latest porno videos... But I do think that our tendency to shield them so completely actually makes them more apt to do it....and to do it without enough knowledge.

The classic example would be France. They allow their children to drink, and consequently have much lower rates of teen alcoholism, binge drinking, etc. Similarly, societies (including France) that are less repressed about sexuality often have lower teen pregnancy rates.

I don't think that we need to throw it in kids' faces. But at the same time, i think that ultra-protective attitudes just make it a common point for rebellion...and make us unwilling to teach them what they need to know. There is so much guilt, repression and unhappiness in this country that could be attributed to the sexual taboos that parents instill into their kids at a young age.

As for the girl-on-girl stuff...I have female friends who are quite into other girls, and it has nothing to do with the media. Who cares if girls are dancing together, kissing each other, sleeping together, etc.? Honestly, they'll probably end up less heartbroken, bitter and pregnant than if they did the same with men. As long as people are safe, legal, having fun and are happy, then what they do with themselves sexually really isn't anybody else's business.

Amazing how far we haven't gone since the Sexual Revolution... </font>[/QUOTE]I have lesbian friends also and don't care what or who they do in bed... That's not my point... And yes lesbians get heartbroken, bitter just as much with girls as they do with men.. so you can save that shit and the breakups are a lot of times more violent. Sexual revolution doesn't mean that we have to have these images shoved down our throats... if we want to get our freak on that's one thing but there is such a thing as image overkill. It aint even cute anymore to me see girls showing their bare midriffs because everywhere you look you see it. When the media and music and image get a hold of your kids before the parents do and you've got 14yr. old girls running around showing the straps of their thongs that's just ****ed up and who are they watching.. Christina Aguillera, Britney, Shkira, videos that don't even reflect what the song is about...just skin what is that?? Everybody aint trying to be a freak. Actually the freak bar has been raised.. You can get head from a girl before you can get a sandwich. They think that the shit that they see in videos is cool and it aint. I don't want to see your drawers before I even talk to you.

[ April 18, 2003, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
Yeah you have to watch out for commericals. My eight year old son knows why to much for his age. I am driving talking to my sister about her newborn and she talking about that she wasn't having another one. He comes out and says I am not going to get anyone pregant because I am going to use protection. I turned around asked him were he learned that from he said I see the commericals. This had me in shock. Well...this is kind of a good thing, right? </font>[/QUOTE]this is a tough call, because someone has been talking to an 8 year old about sex, and in some detail, so i would say its a good message but too early for a kid - hard to say when it is appropriate

[Koffy Brown]

we need to quit treating kids like babies they obviously know a hell of alot more at 8 then we did....maybe that's why 12yo girls are becoming mothers...if an 8 year old is talking about protection then it's time to talk to him ... maybe not in full detail, but the basics...jmo

[Friday]

Can anyone out there honestly say that the protrayals of sexuality in the media are healthy? Kids should know about sexuality but for ****s sake.."Girls gone Wild" how ****ing retarded can you be???

As for the girl on girl thing, as far as I am concerned, it is just there for the indulgence of male fantasies. It would be interesting to see a show come out depicting some big biker dyke with her lipstick lesbian girlfriend, at least that would be a more honest portrayal.

God I can feel the eyes roll now. :rolleyes:

[konbit]

Societies evolve in their attitudes toward sex. i don't think that it is necessarily good or bad. There were Roman Orgies and Victorian chastity belts. During the Middle Ages, kids were in the room, and most likely the same bed, as their parents having sex.

I don't think that kids should be exposed to things that they are not emotionally ready for...but i think that their emotional readiness is based on how they are raised. As long as kids are given proper, honest, open guidance, I don't think that Brittney's thong straps are going to harm anyone.

But, I don't have kids...so what the **** do I know? graemlins/conf44.gif

[richierich]

Originally posted by konbit:
Societies evolve in their attitudes toward sex. i don't think that it is necessarily good or bad. There were Roman Orgies and Victorian chastity belts. During the Middle Ages, kids were in the room, and most likely the same bed, as their parents having sex.

I don't think that kids should be exposed to things that they are not emotionally ready for...but i think that their emotional readiness is based on how they are raised. As long as kids are given proper, honest, open guidance, I don't think that Brittney's thong straps are going to harm anyone.

But, I don't have kids...so what the **** do I know? graemlins/conf44.gif Thank you for the honesty and sincerity.

[Mike Johnson]

Originally posted by richierich:
Tender young Alice They'd say....
Come over and see me........
Come over and please me....
Alice it's my turn today......
Have you noticed how society and the media are kinda sending a message that it's okay and cool to have girl on girl stuff displayed everywhere?? We have gone from Father knows best to those Bud Lite commercials. America has (in my opinion) has left nothing to be desired anymore. Sex sells is an understatement but when the exception becomes the rule then.... what's next. The suits in entertainment are men for the most part and seeing women half naked being put in semi - lesbian situations where kids can normally view this is going way out. I dare them to put men in homo situations or have half naked men prancing around seling products. There would be a lot of insecure men that would be in an uproar. Is this turning into some Caligula type shit here or what?? Even like those party pics that people post showing girls kissing and hugging and some of those girls aint even lesbians... they are imitating something that has been portrayed as being cool. And guys are eating that shit up but they say they aren't with homosexuality. Don't watch much t.v., never saw Will & Grace or the other shows mentioned in this thread, but I'll tell, when I saw that Miller Lite commercial on ESPN back a few months ago, where the one girl says to the other girl while mud wrestling, "let's make out," my jaw hit the damned floor. I was like, what the hell did I just hear? This is in a commercial that's airing nationally during Sports Center in the daytime?

Last night, VH1 aired a behind the scenes story on "Girls Gone Wild." The videos were started by some college jock who found a way to make money by asking, and filming, girls who bear their breasts and buns (tring to keep it PG here) for either the fun of it, or because that's what they're really into (at least the ones he finds at spring break parties). However, there seemed to be a large number of young women who were willing to paricipate or engage in lesbian-type activity, all to this guy and other guys' pleasure, even if it appeared to be for the fun of it.

A couple of months or so ago, VIBE magazine did a story on "aggressives" in New York City. I guess this is a new term coined for butch lesbians. I read it, but thought afterwards that the magazine would probably get more flack if they did a similar article on gay men.

Not stating any of the above as pro or con, just pointing out what's goin' on from how I see it, cause I'm kinda in the dark about some of this.

[Boo Williams]

Originally posted by JR JAM:
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. Now the works of the Flesh are manifeat,
which are these,
Adultery, forication, uncleanness, Lasciviousness,
Idolatry, wichcraft, hatred, variance, emulations,
warth, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
of the which I tell you before, as I have also
told you in time past, that they which do such
thing shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians-5:19

Food for thought...

[ April 19, 2003, 07:46 AM: Message edited by: I'm a Friend ]

[nev m]

Originally posted by darrow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
serious then sarcastic, why do you ask? well...I've seen the show before (three times I think) and wasn't quite sure what lifestyle it was portraying. It seemed more like a soap opera to me with the twist of having gay male sex depicted very umm...in your face so to speak. </font>[/QUOTE]That's exactly what it was!, and yes it was right in your face. The producer of the programme when interveiwed on a daytime chat show was under the impression he was pushing forward the boundary of British TV but really he was saying things that didn't need to be said as people are not that dumb anymore.

The part with the grown man, and the school kid is just plain seedy. The same kind of attitude that wants the age of consent lowered again no doubt!!

It is especially annoying that certain regular films from the U.S (Pulp Fiction for example) get banned or edited before they get here.

Over,and out.

Peace.

[ April 19, 2003, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: nev m ]