PLUR

[lyot]

why do people always make fun of PLUR attitude here on the DHP (No reference to your post Agent !)

I mean, i know the real world isn't like that, but shouldn't it be in a sense ? Isn't this a good thing to strive for ? And I personally clearly see the connection with House music (not as a historic fact of course)..

PLUR

[Jacques de Doozu]

probably because of the ravers throwing the term around?
i prefer 'pluk' as in a vette 'pluk' weed... biggrinangel.gif
btw: are you coming the 3rd?

[lyot]

Originally posted by Tom D:
probably because of the ravers throwing the term around?
i prefer 'pluk' as in a vette 'pluk' weed... biggrinangel.gif
btw: are you coming the 3rd? Peace, Love, Unity and Komkommers..


Well, it's always been connected with the Belgian rave/techno/house scene..Just take a look at all these early Out Soon Magazines..Man, you would believe we were living in an utopic world if you read all these letters they had every week.. But in a sense, it's not a bad thing at all, if it's a guideline for behavior..

greetings

ps : coming next week.. I had great fun at String to String yesterday..Italo rules ! smile.gif

[JMNYC]

people make fun of PLUR because it seems so unrealistic and (often) hypocritical to them. No worries ... it's just like the music - there are those who know and those who don't.

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by JMNYC:
...there are those who know and those who don't. hail.gif

work ;)

[C hristian]

lyot - did you get my post on Belgium? I hear it is an incredibly tolerant society. Specifically, some towns that cater to the mentally ill and such. so when i think of Belgium, I think of tolerance.

Brel too.


Neuhaus, waffles, mayo on frites, you get the idea.

just wanted you to see that.


PLUR .

(when people are beaten down for so long, and then along comes a hypocritical message from the opressor group, it's hard not to be cynical, especially if the oppressor group is as ignorant of what they as a group do. So for the oppressed, the best it can be is, as Reagan once said, "trust, but verify.")

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by C hristian:
when people are beaten down for so long, and then along comes a hypocritical message from the opressor group, it's hard not to be cynical, especially if the oppressor group is as ignorant of what they as a group do. So for the oppressed, the best it can be is, as Reagan once said, "trust, but verify.") very interesting synopsis Christian.
please elaborate on this idea.
stay intellectual - critical thought.

btw LYOT, you are right on point with the connection to house music historically!

please continue.

R

p.s.
old school swiss / mayo on fries graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[ September 28, 2003, 11:26 PM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[El Mayimbe]

Originally posted by lyot:
why do people always make fun of PLUR attitude here on the DHP (No reference to your post Agent !)

I mean, i know the real world isn't like that, but shouldn't it be in a sense ? Isn't this a good thing to strive for ? And I personally clearly see the connection with House music (not as a historic fact of course)..

PLUR cause the thought behind P.L.U.R. has been around since the dawn of man, take the teachings of Budda & Jesus for example. ;)

When your on EXCTASY you want to LOVE everything out there and "spread" that love.
Thats why WE and I especially never took it seriously. And this is from someone who was a Latin boy going to Storm RAves n such back in the days

[Woody Rosen]

PLUR

People
Look
Ugly
Rollin

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Please
Let
Us
Rave

Please
Leave
Us
a
Roach (as in weed) http://deephousepage.com/smilies/smokin.gif

[Martin Red]

People
Love
Unreal
Reactions

Hey - love you, do you want to ride my girl, we'll have to go drink sometimes, pukka, your wicked you are graemlins/puke.gif

[Raven Fox]

PLUR = PEACE, LOVE, UNITY and RESPECT

sure, evolved from "RAVE culture"

but PLEASE lets get past all that.

lets apply it towards the future NOW

opposite of WAR, HATE, DISCORD & DISRESPECT?

[El Mayimbe]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
PLUR = PEACE, LOVE, UNITY and RESPECT

sure, evolved from "RAVE culture"

but PLEASE lets get past all that.

lets apply it towards the future NOW

opposite of WAR, HATE, DISCORD & DISRESPECT? Raven, maybe you should read (goddamit so many people on DHP want to make their viewpoints yet never read what others have to say) what was stated before.

We are not going to take PLUR seriously as good the intentions are for the very reason of it came from the "Rave Culture". I was there, I raved, I never did take it seriosuly. And furthermore, my other complaint was while going to highschool and reading on the whole 60's/70's radicalism and attending raves many people were equating the scene with the Hippie LOve movement which I dispised, why? Because the hiipie movement IMO was just a bunch of drug happy white people who preached "Make Love Not War" and when the drugs faded out and they realized they had to pay mortgages, they became Conservative Republicans and probably became worse than their parents whom they fought against in their youths.

[Jamie 3:26]

Bullshit

[El Mayimbe]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
Bullshit lmao! BS on my part or someone elses'?

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PLUR = BULLSHIT http://deephousepage.com/smilies/smokin.gif

[Jamie 3:26]

Originally posted by Albert Diaz:
PLUR = BULLSHIT http://deephousepage.com/smilies/smokin.gif Thank you...

[Leslie]

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
[ And furthermore, my other complaint was while going to highschool and reading on the whole 60's/70's radicalism and attending raves many people were equating the scene with the Hippie LOve movement which I dispised, why? Because the hiipie movement IMO was just a bunch of drug happy white people who preached "Make Love Not War" and when the drugs faded out and they realized they had to pay mortgages, they became Conservative Republicans and probably became worse than their parents whom they fought against in their youths. Hot damn, El Mayimbe didn't know ya had it in ya! PREACH!!!!

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
[ And furthermore, my other complaint was while going to highschool and reading on the whole 60's/70's radicalism and attending raves many people were equating the scene with the Hippie LOve movement which I dispised, why? Because the hiipie movement IMO was just a bunch of drug happy white people who preached "Make Love Not War" and when the drugs faded out and they realized they had to pay mortgages, they became Conservative Republicans and probably became worse than their parents whom they fought against in their youths. Hot damn, El Mayimbe didn't know ya had it in ya! PREACH!!!! </font>[/QUOTE]very interesting. i'm already seeing a similar result amongst the few ravers i knew in college...if they're not brain-fried shipwrecks, they're bitter, disenchanted asshole yuppies. funny how that works.

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Raven Fox:
PLUR = PEACE, LOVE, UNITY and RESPECT

sure, evolved from "RAVE culture"

but PLEASE lets get past all that.

lets apply it towards the future NOW

opposite of WAR, HATE, DISCORD & DISRESPECT? Raven, maybe you should read (goddamit so many people on DHP want to make their viewpoints yet never read what others have to say) what was stated before.

We are not going to take PLUR seriously as good the intentions are for the very reason of it came from the "Rave Culture". I was there, I raved, I never did take it seriosuly. And furthermore, my other complaint was while going to highschool and reading on the whole 60's/70's radicalism and attending raves many people were equating the scene with the Hippie LOve movement which I dispised, why? Because the hiipie movement IMO was just a bunch of drug happy white people who preached "Make Love Not War" and when the drugs faded out and they realized they had to pay mortgages, they became Conservative Republicans and probably became worse than their parents whom they fought against in their youths. </font>[/QUOTE]...and IYO stereotypical point is?

THAT was THEN, and THIS is NOW!

[ September 29, 2003, 10:30 AM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[El Mayimbe]

anyone saw the South PArk episode last night when Stan was figuring out Jon Edwards "psychic scam" and he repeated Jon's scam while trying to explain to the audience what he was doing HOWEVER the audience didnt LISTEN to him.
I feel the exact same way right now. I give up

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for the last time Raven, and I ask you nicely to read the above posts. Lyot asked why we dont take PLUR seriously, I think i speak for alot of us on what I've stated, yes there is nothing wrong with its philosphy but AS I SAID, many religions have preached this philosophy waaaaaay before this era. We just arent gonna listen to a bunch of ravers who were on E about "love" and shit.
I quit!

[mdpm99]

"Because the hiipie movement IMO was just a bunch of drug happy white people who preached "Make Love Not War" and when the drugs faded out and they realized they had to pay mortgages, they became Conservative Republicans and probably became worse than their parents whom they fought against in their youths."

----EL MAYIMBE


:eek:

d

[Leslie]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
"Because the hiipie movement IMO was just a bunch of drug happy white people who preached "Make Love Not War" and when the drugs faded out and they realized they had to pay mortgages, they became Conservative Republicans and probably became worse than their parents whom they fought against in their youths."

----EL MAYIMBE


:eek:

d Come on David, with all due resepct in many cases (not all) this, although slightly exaggerated, has come to pass. Who do you think the "Reagan Democrats" were/are

[Raven Fox]

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[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
"Because the hiipie movement IMO was just a bunch of drug happy white people who preached "Make Love Not War" and when the drugs faded out and they realized they had to pay mortgages, they became Conservative Republicans and probably became worse than their parents whom they fought against in their youths."

----EL MAYIMBE


:eek:

d Come on David, with all due resepct in many cases (not all) this, although slightly exaggerated, has come to pass. Who do you think the "Reagan Democrats" were/are </font>[/QUOTE]I am going to respond to this as tho it was a lousy record that I would not go near with a 10 foot stylius

nuff said......

:(

d

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by Leslie:
Come on David, with all due resepct in many cases (not all) this, although slightly exaggerated, has come to pass. Who do you think the "Reagan Democrats" were/are with all due RESPECT?

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
Come on David, with all due resepct in many cases (not all) this, although slightly exaggerated, has come to pass. Who do you think the "Reagan Democrats" were/are with all due RESPECT? </font>[/QUOTE]Excuse me but have I addressed you? Ceratinly David Mancuso and I can disagree on a topic and move on. Perhaps you should learn the same. There is no need to drum up any drama here, please go do that somewhere else. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[Jamie 3:26]

Cut!!Need a band-aid??

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by Leslie:
Excuse me but have I addressed you? Ceratinly David Mancuso and I can disagree on a topic and move on. Perhaps you should learn the same. There is no need to drum up any drama here, please go do that somewhere else. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif You're excused - please excuse me as well.
No drama here please - strictly reality based.
I shall not be moved.

This is an important topic to me as well.
I can appreciate agreeing to disagree.

[ September 29, 2003, 10:20 PM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by lyot:
why do people always make fun of PLUR attitude here on the DHP (No reference to your post Agent !)

I mean, i know the real world isn't like that, but shouldn't it be in a sense ? Isn't this a good thing to strive for ? And I personally clearly see the connection with House music (not as a historic fact of course)..

PLUR Probably because of it's 'guilty by association to the RAVE culture' - and that's only ONE reason.

Also - it's misrepresentation.

And the real world should have recognized something MORE than just the media-hyped side of it i.e., YOUTH & REBELLION.

my 2 more cents.

PLUR

[ September 29, 2003, 11:49 AM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
Raven, maybe you should read (goddamit so many people on DHP want to make their viewpoints yet never read what others have to say) what was stated before.

We are not going to take PLUR seriously as good the intentions are for the very reason of it came from the "Rave Culture". I was there, I raved, I never did take it seriosuly. And furthermore, my other complaint was while going to highschool and reading on the whole 60's/70's radicalism and attending raves many people were equating the scene with the Hippie LOve movement which I dispised, why? Because the hiipie movement IMO was just a bunch of drug happy white people who preached "Make Love Not War" and when the drugs faded out and they realized they had to pay mortgages, they became Conservative Republicans and probably became worse than their parents whom they fought against in their youths. Wel Mayimbe, maybe you should START taking it seriously. The obvious First - you admitted that you were one of the so called "ravers" - i alwasy called them "klubkids". I've played at major RAVES all over - especially the west coast. I mean, I don't know you - but of all the people that remain in HOUSE MUSIC - SHOULD be promoting PEACE, LOVE, UNITY & Respect - you use SOUTH PARK comedy skits to make a point (funny shit)? YOu started making some rationale until you hit this point

..."Because the hiipie movement IMO was just a bunch of drug happy white people who preached "Make Love Not War" and when the drugs faded out and they realized they had to pay mortgages, they became Conservative Republicans and probably became worse than their parents whom they fought against in their youths.

This is a pretty disgraceful thing to say. Everybody grows up and has to live. And the drugs will never fade out. What fades out is the feelings. Simply because the United States has become so apathetic - let music be the answer - pray for peace and harmony.

We don't have to put in the PLUR semantics.

Its a plea for PEACE & HARMONY

This is a discussion board and EVERYBODIES point is valid (to them at least) as soon as its posted - whether they missed your points or not - this things moves fast.

Open your mind.

[Wiz]

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
We just arent gonna listen to a bunch of ravers who were on E about "love" and shit.
I quit! That post is right on the money.

Do yourself a favour and go back to www.gurn.net (http://www.gurn.net)

[nev m]

Originally posted by Wiz:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
We just arent gonna listen to a bunch of ravers who were on E about "love" and shit.
I quit! That post is right on the money.

Do yourself a favour and go back to www.gurn.net (http://www.gurn.net) </font>[/QUOTE]One word on that site says it all for me!

[Siesta]

My parents are hippies. They never protested anything, never chanted "make love, not war". They were part of a community that supported local artist's, musicians and restaurants. They were a part of a true scene. In 1968, when they created me, they knew they had to buy a house, get a mortgage, pay the bills, etc. They didn't become conservative, they just grew up. Something we all have to do sooner or later. To say that you despise a group of people based only on things you have read seems a little closed minded. People can have houses, and bills and credit cards, but still have a lifestyle that is simple and pure.

Sorry, I know this is off topic, but I have a soft spot for hippies

[Martin Red]

Do people consider "rave" - "ravers" in the USA different to the original termed "ravers" "raves" in the UK.

I think there is a difference and although the term rave.. has always been a bastardised term (and never really meant shit), since going to the USA the term seems even more ****ing stupid.

[ September 30, 2003, 05:56 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[El Mayimbe]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
Do people consider "rave" - "ravers" in the USA different to the original termed "ravers" "raves" in the UK.

I think there is a difference and although the term rave.. has always been a bastardised term (and never really meant shit), since going to the USA the term seems even more ****ing stupid. just like Drum N Bass in the State vs the UK, the RAVE culture is quite different. For example "HARDCORE" for us was gabber while the Brits equated "HARDCORE" with speeded up breakbeat, one of the elements that led to Drum N Bass. ;)

[El Mayimbe]

I still stand by what I said about the "LOVE GENERATION" & the "Hippie Movement".
Of course its a generalizatioin but I do feel strongly about what was preached back in the days and what is now the reality. I am examoining this through a POLITICAL POINT OF VIEW.
I know what you mean Jeff, I went to Hunter college which has many professors who came from that era and still hold true to their ideals, even though of course everyone moves on from their youthful idealism to the realities that life faces you.
HOWEVER, as a Latino man growing up in the 80's in Washington Heights I got to experience the conservative policies of this nation which is now being runned by this very same generation. As a matter of fact I can even go further back to 1973 where Rockerfeller Laws (who do you think voted for him?)were passed which commenced a stringent prison sentence to mostly poor, Blacks & Latinos who sold all these drugs to these hippies? Where were they?
And in the same year of 1973 where was this socialistic generation of "peace, love & Unity" when President Allende who in an attempt to stabalize his country of Chile and make it self sufficient through his programs have it overthrown by a brutal general backed up by the C.I.A.? And remember these are the same people who would basterdize Che Guevara's image yet not even support his cause throughout Latin America.
once again of course there are individuals who stood against these things but the MAJORITY of these people did a complete about face, but its not a simple sell out it was a type of sellout that affected millions of people and 2 generations.
I can go on forever on contradictions of this era.

Of course this generation developed what was one of the most artisticly enlightening & creative time in America. We are still benefitting many contributions from these people but as I said, the thread is about why PLUR is not taken seriously & not about music and I'm looking at all of this from a political and realistic standpont.

NOw to MR RAVENFOX
I'm not Lil Ray and i know how this site can get very heated with back n forth bickering and I've seen how you love to do this but I am not going forward publically on this debate, i'm sure we can sit down one of these days over drinks and discuss this further. Or we can debate this over PMs.

Peace, Love, Unity & Respect as I've said 2x allready has been spread through the teachings of Budda, Jesus, Moses & Mohammed and practically every religion in this world. Now these are valid teachings from people who have formatted these religions from hundreds of years of stories, poetry, song, dance, art, and lifesyle. It has been going on for thousands of years. That is how RELIGIONS are made. Today if you were to go to someone and explaing them about PLUR they will immediately ask what is that and where did that term come from. As soon as you say the RAVE era they will dismiss it as just E loving philosophy & I agree with 110%.
PLUR will never be taken seriously because it is a RAVER statement
It is a beautiful concept and lifestyle to strive for. and i do attempt at the best I can to live that life but it wasnt because i took some hits of E while listening to Frankie Bones. I live with peace, love, unity, and respect because I read and respected the teachings of Jesus, Budda & Mohammed and beacuse my parents raised me to compose myself in this manner.

You bring up "that was then & This Is NOw" well your right:

well this was then:
THE "LOVE GENRATION"
http://www.usps.com/images/stamps/99/woodstock.gif

and this is now:
[B]the children of the "LOVE GENERATION" on the latest WoodStock "revival"
http://www.jecproductions.com/portfolios/woodstock99/fire1575.jpg

You say you have played at several Raves all over the country and in the west coast and got 1st hand eye witness to PLUR. Well I have too as well. And I got to see the ugly side of things as well. You'll see the ravers give each other backrubs and making out but maybe you never saw the ugly side as well, The young girl ODing, the dealer beating the shit out of a kid who didnt pay. Even Heather Heart when she had her zine (forgot the nae right now) did an interview with Josh Wink and asked if the rave scene had any spiritual components to its movement and he flatly said "NO", its a beautiful idea and people get caught up with the love and music but a something spirutual is even more reverant.


Go to Ibiza or Europe and you'll see the same actions of people enjoying themselves through dance music Of course they know the difference between PLUR and religion. Kids in this aggressive country were not raised with this culture as the Europeans are.


and lastly, the SOuth PArk reference, you jsut have to see it to get the joke ;)

now I REALLY QUIT! graemlins/tongueout.gif

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
NOw to MR RAVENFOX
I'm not Lil Ray and i know how this site can get very heated with back n forth bickering and I've seen how you love to do this but I am not going forward publically on this debate, i'm sure we can sit down one of these days over drinks and discuss this further. Or we can debate this over PMs.

Peace, Love, Unity & Respect as I've said 2x allready has been spread through the teachings of Budda, Jesus, Moses & Mohammed and practically every religion in this world. Now these are valid teachings from people who have formatted these religions from hundreds of years of stories, poetry, song, dance, art, and lifesyle. It has been going on for thousands of years. That is how RELIGIONS are made. Today if you were to go to someone and explaing them about PLUR they will immediately ask what is that and where did that term come from. As soon as you say the RAVE era they will dismiss it as just E loving philosophy & I agree with 110%.
PLUR will never be taken seriously because it is a RAVER statement
It is a beautiful concept and lifestyle to strive for. and i do attempt at the best I can to live that life but it wasnt because i took some hits of E while listening to Frankie Bones. I live with peace, love, unity, and respect because I read and respected the teachings of Jesus, Budda & Mohammed and beacuse my parents raised me to compose myself in this manner.

You bring up "that was then & This Is NOw" well your right:

well this was then:
THE "LOVE GENRATION"
http://www.usps.com/images/stamps/99/woodstock.gif

and this is now:
[B]the children of the "LOVE GENERATION" on the latest WoodStock "revival"
http://www.jecproductions.com/portfolios/woodstock99/fire1575.jpg

You say you have played at several Raves all over the country and in the west coast and got 1st hand eye witness to PLUR. Well I have too as well. And I got to see the ugly side of things as well. You'll see the ravers give each other backrubs and making out but maybe you never saw the ugly side as well, The young girl ODing, the dealer beating the shit out of a kid who didnt pay. Even Heather Heart when she had her zine (forgot the nae right now) did an interview with Josh Wink and asked if the rave scene had any spiritual components to its movement and he flatly said "NO", its a beautiful idea and people get caught up with the love and music but a something spirutual is even more reverant.


Go to Ibiza or Europe and you'll see the same actions of people enjoying themselves through dance music Of course they know the difference between PLUR and religion. Kids in this aggressive country were not raised with this culture as the Europeans are.

and lastly, the SOuth PArk reference, you jsut have to see it to get the joke ;)

now I REALLY QUIT! graemlins/tongueout.gif There is only ONE liL Ray - and only ONE Mayimbe on this DHP Message Board.
I SERIOUSLY DON'T LIKE getting into heated debates but sometimes they are necessary to see 360o viewpoints, irregardless of how the masses feel. They just seem to start flowing that way because of certain issues that I AND OTHERS PERSONALLY FEEL PASSIONATE about and decided to EXPRESS here. And then OTHER people chime in and DISTORT or Contribute to either parties beliefs. THATS THE ENERGY that gets generated towards PEACE or HATE.

I think that you are taking ONE negative slice of that scene, i.e. kids ODing, people getting beat up, etc. (that shit still happens today) all the bad media hype and what a few techno celebs had to say to protect their FACE - as the defacto WORD.

Been to Europe too - I know the difference. I can tell you first hand - it's waaaay different than it is here in the U.S. - But you're right - thats just CULTURE.

How many folks (at least here on the DHP) "HATE" me? I don't know - but I feel it from many of the incessant rants and negative posts. And others tend to judge me from that perspective - even though they don't really know me and what I have done in the past and present. It's all good - I shall not be moved.

How many folks (at least here on the DHP) LOVE me? I don't know but I DO feel it from many of you - and get enough love in return to keep me interested in coming back and giveing BACK MY LOVE by contributing to this board. Most of the ONLINE drama is usually focussed around that MIDTOWN CLUB that IMO supposed to be about PLUR principles in a NEW IMPROVED WAY. I'm not saying with a techno soundtrack either and all the E and RAVEKID culture madness. I'm saying in the way that will cultivate such a feeling. (here we go... :D

I'm still and will always be DOWNTOWN UNDERGROUND at heart, mind, body & soul (if you understand what I mean) - PLUR is just semantics that definetly gets misunderstood and misrepresented and short changed.

I know Heather Heart - fanzine was called "Under One Sky" - a great testament of TECHNO and underground global culture.

Nonetheless - I can respect your last diatribe and right, maybe we CAN sort this out later. There are so many more angles to this than meets the eye.

Thanks for that one Mayimbe.

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[JMNYC]

El Mayimbe, can you please clarify why Peace, Love, Unity and Respect are principles that are valid when affiliated with a major religious organization and yet invalid when practiced on an individual or smaller group scale?

I'm pretty sure the term "God Is Love" did not lose its biblical reverence after Prince's use of it in "Anna Stesia".

Some of these threads seem to indicate a displacement of blame from the generations of apathetic aristocracy onto a small, albeit visible, counter-cultural community.

What percentage of the population could really have been considered "hippies"?

I would suggest that hippies had about as much to do with Rockefeller Drug Laws, Reagan being elected and our governments' destructive foreign policies as Subliminal Records has to do with the music industry. It's a drop in the bucket. Especially when you consider the economics.

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by JMNYC:
El Mayimbe, can you please clarify why Peace, Love, Unity and Respect are principles that are valid when affiliated with a major religious organization and yet invalid when practiced on an individual or smaller group scale?

I'm pretty sure the term "God Is Love" did not lose its biblical reverence after Prince's use of it in "Anna Stesia".

Some of these threads seem to indicate a displacement of blame from the generations of apathetic aristocracy onto a small, albeit visible, counter-cultural community.

What percentage of the population could really have been considered "hippies"?

I would suggest that hippies had about as much to do with Rockefeller Drug Laws, Reagan being elected and our governments' destructive foreign policies as Subliminal Records has to do with the music industry. It's a drop in the bucket. Especially when you consider the economics. El Mayimbe?
Jon makes some excellent points here.

[El Mayimbe]

everytime I try to get out
"THEY KEEP PULLING ME BACK IN!"
http://alpacino.4mg.com/image/gf5.jpg

I've made my points just scroll up i dont want to repeat myself. And besides Jon is just jealous that I work for a label that sells unlike his
OOOH! SNAP!
u felt that one? cause I did!
PLUR MOFOS!
PLUR!
biggrinangel.gif

[Supine]

PLUR has been used by ravers, the e generation, hippies, and countless others. But who on this board can argue with:

Peace: Be yourself and be relaxed about it.
Love: Love the music, love friends, love good times, and love happy people.
Unity: We all came to the same event. In it together. This leads nicely into:
Respect: We're here because we all want to be. We have something in common. The dj's wicked. Smile, shake hands, and enjoy life. Whatever.

The summer of love,

Supine

[JMNYC]

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
everytime I try to get out
besides Jon is just jealous that I work for a label that sells unlike his
OOOH! SNAP!
u felt that one? cause I did!
We still put out much better records than you, and we're still in business after 10 years INDEPENDENT ... snap on me when you can say that about your label. One other thing on that silly note, when we each have labels OF OUR OWN this type of nonsensical banter will make much more sense, I ain't gonna waste any additional time defending someone else's company.

Since you have not taken any effort to reply to my questions, but instead taken such a pu$$y approach to responding, I will assume that my last post summarily made you gag on your own words.

graemlins/beerchug.gif and lotsa PLUR.