Can someone tell me why Geraldo Rivera got kicked out of being a War reporter [Archive]

JR JAM

03-31-2003, 11:30 AM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Veteran reporter Geraldo Rivera, a correspondent for Fox News, is being removed from Iraq (news - web sites) by the U.S. military for reporting Western troop movements in the war, the Pentagon (news - web sites) said on Monday.

"He was with a (U.S.) military unit in the field and the commander felt that he had compromised operational information by reporting the position and movements of troops," Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told Reuters.

"The commander thought it best to get the reporter out of his battle space and we understand he is being removed from Iraq," Whitman said.

Fox News in New York had no immediate comment, and Whitman said he did not have details of the incident.

But media reports said Rivera, a former talk show host and veteran correspondent who has also reported the war in Afghanistan (news - web sites) and high-profile stories such as the O.J. Simpson (news) murder trial, had been with a unit of the 101st Airborne Division when the incident occurred.

Whitman said Rivera was not officially "embedded," or assigned to the unit by the military, but was covering the troops at the time.

Hundreds of reporters from around the world are currently assigned to U.S. and British military units to report the war in Iraq under ground rules that allow them freedom to report without compromising the security of the troops.

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AgentDoubleA

03-31-2003, 11:30 AM

Geraldo = Dumbass

What did that other NBC reporter get fired for? I (briefly) heard him appologozing on CNBC.

AgentDoubleA

03-31-2003, 11:33 AM

Just read J326's post. Thanks

03-31-2003, 11:45 AM

Geraldo blew OUR cover!!! AR15firing.gif

lola desire

03-31-2003, 11:47 AM

Monday, March 31, 2003
CNN: U.S. Military Expels Blabbermouth Geraldo From Iraq

Peter Arnett isn't the only U.S. reporter busted in Iraq: The U.S. military is expelling Fox News Channel's unfortunate hire Geraldo Rivera from the country, CNN reported today.

CNN quotes U.S. military officials as saying Geraldo violated "the cardinal rule of war reporting Monday by giving away crucial details of future military operations during a live broadcast." It gave no further information.

Or is this just wishful thinking by CNN? Fox News later this morning showed Geraldo still in Iraq.

source (http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/3/31/92553)

:rolleyes: graemlins/stupid.gif what a nut.

Gojay

03-31-2003, 11:50 AM

You put all these reporters in there and expect them not ot be reporters? It's the nature of thier job to report "exclusive" stories. USA =Idiots, for putting paid 'Blabber mouths" in the midlle of an ongoing war to save face! lol!

LEONARD REMIX RROY

03-31-2003, 11:55 AM

Just paint a whole picture and include the name & rank of all the soldiers too Geraldo?

Reporters are told to not give Salute reports!!!

For all my non-military people, salute = Size, Activity, Location, Unit, Time & Equiptment.

Geraldo gave as close to a complete salute report as it goes.

12th house

03-31-2003, 12:01 PM

peter arnett got fired for giving an interview to Iraqi TV

03-31-2003, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Gojay:
You put all these reporters in there and expect them not ot be reporters? It's the nature of thier job to report "exclusive" stories. USA =Idiots, for putting paid 'Blabber mouths" in the midlle of an ongoing war to save face! lol! I completely agree with this!!! We should have never even considered entrenching journalists with videophones in all of these battlions. The job of a journalist is to report what they know and they can't help but want to have the hottest story out there. I don't think we can blame Geraldo and Peter completely...but they are still at fault.

Mocambo

03-31-2003, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
Just paint a whole picture and include the name & rank of all the soldiers too Geraldo?

Reporters are told to not give Salute reports!!!

For all my non-military people, salute = Size, Activity, Location, Unit, Time & Equiptment.

Geraldo gave as close to a complete salute report as it goes. The first thing learned in Commo(communication)school in the Army, is to protect and secure all tranmissions. Giving a complete SALUTE report is a violation. He has to go.

LEONARD REMIX RROY

03-31-2003, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by U:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gojay:
You put all these reporters in there and expect them not ot be reporters? It's the nature of thier job to report "exclusive" stories. USA =Idiots, for putting paid 'Blabber mouths" in the midlle of an ongoing war to save face! lol! I completely agree with this!!! We should have never even considered entrenching journalists with videophones in all of these battlions. The job of a journalist is to report what they know and they can't help but want to have the hottest story out there. I don't think we can blame Geraldo and Peter completely...but they are still at fault. [/QUOTE]I have to dis-agree with you. Reporters are told what not to report but, since he is Mr. Man in media, he decided to give a salute report that "In All Fact" endanger the lives of everyone around him.

I don't expect civilians to understand and I did try to spell it out as of what he did.

He's lucky they got him out, one never knows where rounds are comming from - especially (so called) friendly fire.

http://clearchannelsucks.org

gabriel

03-31-2003, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by U:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gojay:
You put all these reporters in there and expect them not ot be reporters? It's the nature of thier job to report "exclusive" stories. USA =Idiots, for putting paid 'Blabber mouths" in the midlle of an ongoing war to save face! lol! I completely agree with this!!! We should have never even considered entrenching journalists with videophones in all of these battlions. The job of a journalist is to report what they know and they can't help but want to have the hottest story out there. I don't think we can blame Geraldo and Peter completely...but they are still at fault. [/QUOTE]i'd have to say i completely disagree with this.
it's a smart move to have embedded reporters, because all reporting out of embedded sights has direct pentagon oversight. nothing better than controlling what's in the papers.

in conclusion i'd like to refer to a recent doonesbury from march 29

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2003/db030329.gif

Mocambo

03-31-2003, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by U:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gojay:
You put all these reporters in there and expect them not ot be reporters? It's the nature of thier job to report "exclusive" stories. USA =Idiots, for putting paid 'Blabber mouths" in the midlle of an ongoing war to save face! lol! I completely agree with this!!! We should have never even considered entrenching journalists with videophones in all of these battlions. The job of a journalist is to report what they know and they can't help but want to have the hottest story out there. I don't think we can blame Geraldo and Peter completely...but they are still at fault. [/QUOTE]I have to dis-agree with you. Reporters are told what not to report but, since he is Mr. Man in media, he decided to give a salute report that "In All Fact" endanger the lives of everyone around him.

I don't expect civilians to understand and I did try to spell it out as of what he did.

He's lucky they got him out, one never knows where rounds are comming from - especially (so called) friendly fire.

http://clearchannelsucks.org [/QUOTE]Agreed. Taking out commo is always a hig level tactic in military action. If a reporter is reporting any and all action for a network that can be reach by satellite, that endangers the lifes of the soldiers and Rivera.

konbit

03-31-2003, 12:58 PM

This war has seen American journalism reach all time lows in many different ways. My brother, who lives in the UK, is amazed at how propoganda-filled CNN is. Entrenched reporters are refering to the units as "we." American flag graphics are put on the screen with the news. There's a lot of "our boys" talk. Objectivity has gone to shit. Etc., etc. Plus, there have been terrible errors in reporting (claiming cities are captured before they are, mistaking casualty numbers, etc.) Truly terrible journalism going on.

Gojay

03-31-2003, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Silhouette:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by U:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gojay:
You put all these reporters in there and expect them not ot be reporters? It's the nature of thier job to report "exclusive" stories. USA =Idiots, for putting paid 'Blabber mouths" in the midlle of an ongoing war to save face! lol! I completely agree with this!!! We should have never even considered entrenching journalists with videophones in all of these battlions. The job of a journalist is to report what they know and they can't help but want to have the hottest story out there. I don't think we can blame Geraldo and Peter completely...but they are still at fault. [/QUOTE]I have to dis-agree with you. Reporters are told what not to report but, since he is Mr. Man in media, he decided to give a salute report that "In All Fact" endanger the lives of everyone around him.

I don't expect civilians to understand and I did try to spell it out as of what he did.

He's lucky they got him out, one never knows where rounds are comming from - especially (so called) friendly fire.

http://clearchannelsucks.org [/QUOTE]Agreed. Taking out commo is always a hig level tactic in military action. If a reporter is reporting any and all action for a network that can be reach by satellite, that endangers the lifes of the soldiers and Rivera. [/QUOTE]Then why doesnt the military put thier own reporter's in there? They'll know what to do,say and act! I knew it would be pandoras box situation, once I saw so many reporters in this war! I can't blame the reporter in there right now for wanting to shine(so to speak).
peace,
gojay

ps
and what's with the "Hollier then Thou" stuff?

LEONARD REMIX RROY

03-31-2003, 01:34 PM

Believe it or not, it is very exciting to be in a military convoy that runs upon a firefight and a person is there just to watch firsthand.

If the police are in a shoot-out with criminals and civilians could get a closer look than the police baracade that is set up, they would surely be trying to get a birds eye view of the events.

Everybody wanna be part of the winning team so the word "WE" will be used.

Having reporter with the troop is a good way to keep things civil in a twisted kinda way. "Kill em all & let GOD sort it out" is the mindset of Combat troops...that is the quickest way home!

Friday

03-31-2003, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by AgentDoubleA:
Geraldo = Dumbassgraemlins/rofl.gif

03-31-2003, 01:57 PM

We are doing more damage than good by having all of these reporters in there. I am strongly against this! I think that the reporting should be done on a more distanced level. We shouldn't be able to tune into CNN and see exactly where the troops are...the more we know, the more they know.

konbit

03-31-2003, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:

Everybody wanna be part of the winning team so the word "WE" will be used.
Hard news journalism has a code of ethics, and this sort of identification betrays the objectivity that journalists are supposed to strive for. There has been a disturbing lack of "horrors of war" photos, too numerous a count of troops' families human interest pieces, and the press conferences have been a joke. (Am I the only one who finds Ari Flescher to be a terrible publicity link between the press and administration?). I saw Geraldo do a few reports from Iraq...and they were terrible fluff. As somebody who has long held a passion for journalism, I have found the war coverage to be extremely unethical.

DJJM3.COM

03-31-2003, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by U:
We are doing more damage than good by having all of these reporters in there. I am strongly against this! I think that the reporting should be done on a more distanced level. We shouldn't be able to tune into CNN and see exactly where the troops are...the more we know, the more they know. This practice(reporters in battle) dates back to the medival times when The Irish Harpist rode along with troops during their battles.....

They were reporters of sort(they just did it in song). I am not defending just telling orgin.........

Leslie

03-31-2003, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by DJ JM3:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by U:
We are doing more damage than good by having all of these reporters in there. I am strongly against this! I think that the reporting should be done on a more distanced level. We shouldn't be able to tune into CNN and see exactly where the troops are...the more we know, the more they know. This practice(reporters in battle) dates back to the medival times when The Irish Harpist rode along with troops during their battles.....

They were reporters of sort(they just did it in song). I am not defending just telling orgin......... [/QUOTE]Oh like in Monty Python?

DJJM3.COM

03-31-2003, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Leslie:
Oh like in Monty Python? Yeah...kinda like that.......

konbit

03-31-2003, 02:20 PM

LEONARD REMIX RROY

03-31-2003, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by U:
We are doing more damage than good by having all of these reporters in there. I am strongly against this! I think that the reporting should be done on a more distanced level. We shouldn't be able to tune into CNN and see exactly where the troops are...the more we know, the more they know. Pray tell...how does one cover a war from a distance? [/QUOTE]When the reports are shown, the location is not given in a way that will give the Iraq military any refrence point to plot a grid corranate on a military map that pinpoint the location.

I am not bashing you, I know this stuff is hard for civilians to understand and the media is not doing any damage to my fellow troops long as they don't give Salute reports.

konbit

03-31-2003, 03:06 PM

I don't think that that is something that always needs to be told in order to accurately report the story. It is the millitary's responsibility to guard itself from leaks. Consequently, I don't fault them for being pissed at Geraldo.

However, if location was never mentioned for US forces, it would mean that journalists should do the same for Iraqi forces. (Believe it or not, journalists are not employees of the government). And if the media could not ever tell where either side is, they would be unable to tell the story.

I'm not bashing you, I know these ethics things can be hard for soldiers to understand. ;)

03-31-2003, 03:07 PM

because his wife is younger than larry king's...

LEONARD REMIX RROY

03-31-2003, 03:16 PM

Ethics in reporting is completly out of my league, now a head shot at 250 Meters is what I am more adapted too :D

LEONARD REMIX RROY

03-31-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
because his wife is younger than larry king's... They should had gave him a blanket party graemlins/spanka.gif

03-31-2003, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
because his wife is younger than larry king's... They should had gave him a blanket party graemlins/spanka.gif [/QUOTE]well, he DID pull off what even billy clin'tin couldn't do: land an intern...

f0reverneverm0re

03-31-2003, 03:28 PM

remember the stories of "journalist boot camp" and the pre-war *special* report(s) on the code of conduct briefings for squirts like Ted Koppel and others by the military? so are PA and GR knuckleheads who would forget protocol (if the state department and the pentagon are calling a jazeera propaganda, why would you do an interview for them and say "the wrong thing"? hm)

every day it's another *strange* news story, hm...

and why does the news anchor person say those words in a way that might just touch my heartstrings always trying to "look me in the eye", even if she has to glance back "at me" while programmedly talking to her anchor who looks like an android?...

the CIA/state department/Pentagram can solve the problem of "loudmouth reporters" (hm) by just putting in their own people...unless they've already done this.

incidentally, a couple of news programs reported that news viewership increased greatly since the war began.

MR. PLUSHEDOUT

03-31-2003, 03:47 PM

NEWS VIEWERSHIP HAS TO INCREASE SINCE IT'S ON EVERY FRIGGIN CHANNEL! I'LL TELL YOU; WATCHING WAR COVERAGE IS LIKE WATCHING A BAD BIG BUDGET FILM, WITH INTERMITTENT (SP?) ACTION, AND THEN BEING STUCK WITH THE SPECIAL FX BILL.

THOUGH I'M IN FAVOR OF WAR COVERAGE FROM THIS STAND POINT, I FEEL THEY SHOULD'VE LET A NEUTRAL PARTY COVER THE BATTLES. ALL OF THE COVERAGE WE SEE IS GOING TO BE BIASED SO THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN BE SHOWN IN A GOOD LIGHT.

BY HAVING A THIRD PARTY COVER THE WAR WOULD GIVE US COMPREHENSIVE COVERAGE. NOTICE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT THOSE OIL WELLS IN A COUPLE DAYS!!!!
IN ADDITION, IT WOULD GIVE US AN UNBIASED VIEW FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE LINE.

HOWEVER, I DON'T FEEL THAT GERALDO'S DUMD ASS PUT ANYONE IN DANGER BECAUSE AT THIS POINT (FROM MY SOURCES), IRAQ ONLY HAS 1 TELEVISION CHANNEL THAT THE COALITION OF FORCES (NOTICE I DIDN'T SAY "WE") CONTROL. AND IT'S PROBABLY A CLEARCHANNEL STATION! SHUT UP LEONARD! graemlins/rofl.gif

LEONARD REMIX RROY

03-31-2003, 03:57 PM

graemlins/lol.gif you gooney bird graemlins/tongueout.gif

rob brito

03-31-2003, 04:01 PM

i could see geraldo and yanni dating.

f0reverneverm0re

03-31-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by MR. PLUSHEDOUT:
NEWS VIEWERSHIP HAS TO INCREASE SINCE IT'S ON EVERY FRIGGIN CHANNEL!i haven't seen any news on channel 1..come to think about it i haven't seen any programming on channel 1, ever. who the hell is running that station anyway?

LEONARD REMIX RROY

03-31-2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by f0reverneverm0re:
"The buzzard is a large but cowardly bird" --Floyd "Red Crow" Westerman

the "US" is a large but cowardly nation

You sir are a Douchebag

corwin

03-31-2003, 04:44 PM

That Geraldo can still be taken seriously by the viewing public, or described as a hard news reporter after a well-documented series of career missteps, speaks volumes about our beloved country. Years and years of dubious achievements have resulted in a slot on America's favorite "news" network. Say whatcha want, but brotha's got game.

Why are we still talking about Geraldo?

I've got a classic episode Geraldo's daily syndicated sleazefest (titled "Transexual Ladies of the Night") on VHS that I dust off from time to time. I'll cherish this tape forever not only because it's the most brilliantly executed, uncompromisingly tawdry piece of trash television I've ever witnessed, but because it's a not-so-subtle reminder that with a ton of bravado and a blizzard of hype anybody can achieve fame, fortune, and in smaller markets, credibility. God Bless America.

MyNia

03-31-2003, 05:28 PM

There was another reported escorted to the Kuwait border for revealing location of the group he was with. He claims he was giving an estimate of miles but hit it right on the head. I personally think the troops escorting them back to the border is too kind, let them see what it feels like to come under attack because the enemy knows exactly where they are.

mhd

03-31-2003, 05:32 PM

maybe they should just cut his throat, that'll teach em

mdpm99

03-31-2003, 06:13 PM

"balanced and bias, is in the eyes of the beholder........."

gabriel

03-31-2003, 06:34 PM

Then why doesnt the military put thier own reporter's in there? [/QB]effectively they've already done that. reports issued from iraq have pentagon oversight...so only good news gets out.

Friday

03-31-2003, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by girlfriday:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by AgentDoubleA:
Geraldo = Dumbassgraemlins/rofl.gif [/QUOTE]graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

f0reverneverm0re

03-31-2003, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by f0reverneverm0re:
"The buzzard is a large but cowardly bird" --Floyd "Red Crow" Westerman

the "US" is a large but cowardly nation

You sir are a Douchebag [/QUOTE]now you're just being mean
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LEONARD REMIX RROY

04-01-2003, 03:08 PM

graemlins/lol.gif now that's funny graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Also, Geraldo has learned his lesson, I guess he recieved a good talking too from http://www.campbell.army.mil/images/101hdr.gif

konbit

04-01-2003, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by mynia:
There was another reported escorted to the Kuwait border for revealing location of the group he was with. He claims he was giving an estimate of miles but hit it right on the head. I personally think the troops escorting them back to the border is too kind, let them see what it feels like to come under attack because the enemy knows exactly where they are. Who is the reporter's "enemy"?

djmarbll

04-01-2003, 08:04 PM

I used to think the idea for the reporters to be right near the frontline of battle was a great idea because the news would be reported objectively, but that's not what the Pentagon wants. Arnett was fired for saying the U.S. war plan has failed on Iraqi tv. Rivera got into trouble because he broke the journalistic laws of S.A.L.U.T.E. like Leonard said. Specifically, Geraldo Rivera drew a map in the sand about the whereabouts of the 101st Airborne relative to Baghdad, which was infinitely stupid. But the news stations are reporting the troops approximate whereabouts all the time. If Saddam is still alive he can find out almost everything going on in his own country. But if Saddam is alive, I doubt he's still in the area. Nevertheless, I do like the reporters being near the battle, so they can see firsthand what combat is like. I'm just sick of the pro-war and subjective rhetoric we're getting from some of the reporters.