GUERNICA bouncer killed over enforcing new smoking laws...

[JMNYC]

more sad news for the NY club industry ...

Bouncer fatally stabbed in brawl over NYC smoking ban

Sunday April 13, 2003

(New York-AP) -- A bouncer at an East Village nightclub is dead after he was stabbed in a brawl that police say began when he tried to enforce the city's new ban on smoking in bars and restaurants.

Thirty-two-year-old Dana Blake died at Beth Israel Medical Center about 11 hours after the late-night fight at Guernica, a club on Avenue B. Police say he had been stabbed in the lower abdomen.

Two brothers, Johnathan and Ching Chan, have been arrested and charged with assault.

Prosecutors haven't decided whether to upgrade the charges because of Blake's death.

Police say Blake approached the two men at about 2:30 a-m to tell them they could not smoke in the bar. It's unclear whether one or both of the men were smoking.

Witnesses told police harsh words were then exchanged and the brawl began when Blake tried to eject Johnathan Chan for disorderly behavior. Blake was stabbed in the fight, but it's unclear who stabbed him or with what.

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[mdpm99]

:eek:

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[surreal]

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[Leslie]

This is just ridiculous. I sincerely hope Bloomberg paid a visit to the family of the bouncer. graemlins/mecry.gif

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Leslie:
This is just ridiculous. I sincerely hope Bloomberg paid a visit to the family of the bouncer. graemlins/mecry.gif Why? Is the mayor supposed to visit with the families of everyone who gets killed in nyc? Or are you makiing a point about the new smoking ban law and its impact on the deth of this young man?

please, be plain

[Bill Blake]

Looks like second hand smoke aint the only health hazard working in Bars and Clubs.

Stupid.

[The Donger]

This terrible incident has nothing to do with smoking.

I am pretty upset at hearing this. I've dj'd at Guernica many times and all the bouncers have been very friendly during my experiences playing there. I am almost scared to see a photo, i hope it's not someone I may know...

[Raven Fox]

...things are getting way out of hand graemlins/jpshakehead.gif


Respect to the family of Dana Blake & Guernica.

[ April 14, 2003, 09:48 AM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[Shalewa]

That the outrageous, criminal and ultimately homicidal behavior of the assailants can be painted as a consequence of a law that everyone with eyes or ears knew was the new law of the land, or on anything beyond outrageous, criminal and ultimately homicidal behavior blows my mind. Many people might have been annoyed at being reminded that they were in violation of the law, but the Chan brothers took an annoying situation many steps further by escalating to physical confrontation and introducing a weapon. That reflects on them, their values and their behavior not on the law.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
This is just ridiculous. I sincerely hope Bloomberg paid a visit to the family of the bouncer. graemlins/mecry.gif Why? Is the mayor supposed to visit with the families of everyone who gets killed in nyc? Or are you makiing a point about the new smoking ban law and its impact on the deth of this young man?

please, be plain </font>[/QUOTE]I am making a point to the new law that is in effect - by the way the stroy has been reported, his death was the result of him enforcing the law and doing his job. Not unlike any cop in the City of New York who is killed in the line of duty - it appears that Mr. Blake was killed in the line of duty and in my eyes given this new law it might have been a decent gesture to his family that the mayor supported him and them given the unfortunate outcome of his interaction with the two men who attacked and eventually killed him.
No I don't think the mayor should visit everyone who gets hurt in the City, but given this new somewhat controversial law that he was adament about being passed, I think a visit to his family would have been the decent thing to do. But this is my opinion.

[The Donger]

Sorry Leslie, but this doesn't have shit to do with the smoking law.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
Sorry Leslie, but this doesn't have shit to do with the smoking law. If he didn't have to enforce the law (dude was smoking in the bar), he would not have had to ask the asshole to leave. How does that have nothing to do with the law? If the law were not in effect, the conversation regarding the patrons smoking would have never been started - now if they were asked to leave for other reasons is a totally different conversation. Needless to say, their actions speak for who they are - thugs.

[liL Ray]

Leslie is right here, fellows....it's kinda f'ed up that these politician pass a law that they know they can't enforce and then leave the enforcing to civilians....and the messes up thing is if civilians(bar owners/bouncers) refuse to enforce this, the city then comes in and fine the establishment, or worse, close it down.

I hope the family not only sue the city, but every council member who pass this rediculous law.

...condolences to the family.

[Bill Blake]

Dont argue with Leslie!

[Koffy Brown]

I think the law is absoultely ridiculous as well...

[danny webb]

Sorry i haven't kept abreast of the passing of this law, but i am guessing if you are the owner of a venue, you still have the right to allow smoking, or is this a city wide ban?

[The Donger]

Smoking pot is also not allowed. If a bouncer asks someone to stop smoking pot in the club (or doing cocaine) and someone kills him, is it the law's fault?

Those guys are ****ing animals and should have their balls chopped off and stuffed into their mouth.

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by danny webb:
Sorry i haven't kept abreast of the passing of this law, but i am guessing if you are the owner of a venue, you still have the right to allow smoking, or is this a city wide ban? city wide ban...even though there are loopholes....

[The Donger]

As far as the law being ridiculous, that's totally irrelevent to the fact that 2 criminals stabbed someone to death because they don't like the law.

I don't like the "pot is illegal" law. I'm not gonna stab someone to death.

But if a mother****er steps on my sneakers in a club, that's a whole different story.

[Drrtynewyork]

terrible news graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
Leslie is right here, fellows....it's kinda f'ed up that these politician pass a law that they know they can't enforce and then leave the enforcing to civilians....and the messes up thing is if civilians(bar owners/bouncers) refuse to enforce this, the city then comes in and fine the establishment, or worse, close it down.

I hope the family not only sue the city, but every council member who pass this rediculous law.

...condolences to the family. Greetings Lil Ray:

Exactly!

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[The Buddy Love Show]

i gotta diverge from my fellow rhetorical compadres but the attack on the bouncer was just thuggish nonsense that has nada to do with cigarette laws.
for example: There are laws that you must clean up after your dog. If it's shitting on grass whats the harm and if in the street it'll be washed away by the next rain. A homeowner takes offense at someone who has his dog shit on the sidewalk and is stabbed to death. Is it the city's fault that he's killed over what is considered by some to be a dumb law.

For the past two weeks we have been asking patrons not to smoke at our promotions. the parties either put it out or go outside. No violence and things are cool.

The problem is that nigger asians didn't know how to act. (assuming that the Chan brothers were asian)

Personally i'm glad the ban on smoking is here. I've been sickened working in smoke filled rooms (remember the cigar craze) and as a nonsmoker (tobacco) i don't want to be burdened by the habits of others when i socialize in public clubs and bars. Also my dry cleaning bills will be lower

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
Also my dry cleaning bills will be lower I find this hard to believe

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
Also my dry cleaning bills will be lower I find this hard to believe </font>[/QUOTE]yeah, i'm so clean ......i even started to change my drawers daily - damn, detergent is costly yo

[The Donger]

Not true, with the chan brothers in jail the dry cleaning $ will go through the roof.

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
I think the law is absoultely ridiculous as well... The law is not ridiculous. I work 2 nights a week in a club and have worked at several others. I can't imagine the amount of smoke I must have inhaled in all these years. It is disgusting. Hair and clothing would reek of smoke. I applaud the law.

As far as the bouncer goes, I don't think you can blame the law anymore than you could if he caught them sniffing blow which is illegal as well.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
I think the law is absoultely ridiculous as well... The law is not ridiculous. I work 2 nights a week in a club and have worked at several others. I can't imagine the amount of smoke I must have inhaled in all these years. It is disgusting. Hair and clothing would reek of smoke. I applaud the law.

As far as the bouncer goes, I don't think you can blame the law anymore than you could if he caught them sniffing blow which is illegal as well. </font>[/QUOTE]smokers are consumers as well...maybe there could have been other alternatives without being so extreme...jmo...

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
I think the law is absoultely ridiculous as well... The law is not ridiculous. I work 2 nights a week in a club and have worked at several others. I can't imagine the amount of smoke I must have inhaled in all these years. It is disgusting. Hair and clothing would reek of smoke. I applaud the law.

As far as the bouncer goes, I don't think you can blame the law anymore than you could if he caught them sniffing blow which is illegal as well. </font>[/QUOTE]smokers are consumers as well...maybe there could have been other alternatives without being so extreme...jmo... </font>[/QUOTE]Like? Let ne ask a question to the obvious smokers here. If you had a choice and could reverse it, would you still be a smoker?

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
I think the law is absoultely ridiculous as well... The law is not ridiculous. I work 2 nights a week in a club and have worked at several others. I can't imagine the amount of smoke I must have inhaled in all these years. It is disgusting. Hair and clothing would reek of smoke. I applaud the law.

As far as the bouncer goes, I don't think you can blame the law anymore than you could if he caught them sniffing blow which is illegal as well. </font>[/QUOTE]If the law will protect the health of workers better, Im fine with smoking outside but what sucks is places like 2i's with the pat-downs that have no way of providing easy access to the outside for smoking.

[Bill Blake]

J-Lennie goes back to drinking on the streets...the best bar in town.

[Cheddar]

Ray made a good point about making the private establishments enforce the law but regardless this has more to do with people thinking they are above the law.

I dont agree with the law...if Cigs are sooo bad, ban production.

[Bill Blake]

Bill Blake

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[Raven Fox]

Out of curiousity

Does anybody know what type/format event was happening on the night this tragedy took place?

R

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
Out of curiousity

Does anybody know what type/format event was happening on the night this tragedy took place?

R Gospel House

[The Donger]

Morrisey.

[Jamie 3:26]

Man,I am gonna open an underground spot in Brooklyn,Club Newport... graemlins/rofl.gif

I see there's gonna be a backlash even bigger here in Chicago if that law comes into effect.

To answer ya question T,Hell yeah I would not smoke if I had another chance.It's funny,I smoke and sometimes that shit gets to me too.I do try to respect folks and not smoke in their faces and I do ask if it bothers them.I do not drink or smoke on dancefloors.I have been burned by a smoke and have had good shoes ruined by spilled likka on the flo.

[Fletch]

Look for undercover cops to "party" in order to enforce the smoking ban.

COP: Excuse me sir/mam, the smoke is bothering me.

SMOKER: Go somewhere else, mf/b***h!!!!!!

COP (shows badge): Police officer, you're under arrest.

[ April 14, 2003, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: einnod23 ]

[Ron la Rock]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
Leslie is right here, fellows....it's kinda f'ed up that these politician pass a law that they know they can't enforce and then leave the enforcing to civilians....and the messes up thing is if civilians(bar owners/bouncers) refuse to enforce this, the city then comes in and fine the establishment, or worse, close it down.

I hope the family not only sue the city, but every council member who pass this rediculous law.

...condolences to the family. yes this law is ridiculous & this is outragous
a man is dead over doing his job? "asking someone not to smoke in a bar? this is nuts and very sad! & sickening
more gentrication in NYC wich really is making everything corny
how pc is this sh*t gonna get

someone needs to review this law & some questions should be asked concerning this guys death

much condolences to his family & freinds :(

[Ron la Rock]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
Out of curiousity

Does anybody know what type/format event was happening on the night this tragedy took place?

R mad1.gif mad1.gif mad1.gif
how many times is this gonna be said
"IT DOESN"T MATTER WHAT KIND OF MUSIC WAS BEING PLAYED"
someone lost thier life
it could have been polka-ghetto-tap-square-dancin-remixes night
who gives a kcuf!

all you holyer than thou house motherkcufers get on my last nerve with this bullshit

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by Ron paizley:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Raven Fox:
Out of curiousity

Does anybody know what type/format event was happening on the night this tragedy took place?

R mad1.gif mad1.gif mad1.gif
how many times is this gonna be said
"IT DOESN"T MATTER WHAT KIND OF MUSIC WAS BEING PLAYED"
someone lost thier life
it could have been polka-ghetto-tap-square-dancin-remixes night
who gives a kcuf!

all you holyer than thou house motherkcufers get on my last nerve with this bullshit </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

IT MATTERS TO ME.

Bottom line - I want to know if this was HIP-HOP or HOUSE/DANCE related event. My reasons reach deeper than what your issues seem to be charged by.

Yes - I already know somebody lost their life...


Originally posted by Raven Fox:
...things are getting way out of hand graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
Respect to the family of Dana Blake & Guernica. I still want to know what was going on at the club.

Peace!

R

[ April 14, 2003, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[Ron la Rock]

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[Raven Fox]

He's killed over a smoke -
Bouncer is stabbed enforcing new law

By NICOLE BODE, ALICE McQUILLAN and DAVE GOLDINER
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

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Dana (Shazam) Blake

A brawny bouncer at a trendy East Village nightspot was stabbed to death yesterday after he confronted a man who lit up a cigarette in defiance of the city's tough new anti-smoking law, police said. Dana (Shazam) Blake, 32, of Queens, was allegedly set upon by two Chinatown brothers after one of them refused to stop puffing inside Guernica on Avenue B, cops said.

"My brother lost his life because of this stupid smoking law," said the Rev. Tony Blake, who preaches against smoking and drinking at his Humble Way Church of God in Christ in Queens.

"This is not the end of the violence because of it," he added.

Police arrested Jonathan Chan, 29, and his brother Ching Chan, 31, who had been drinking rum and Cokes before the slayings, witnesses said. Both were expected to face murder charges.

The violence unfolded about 2:30 a.m. after Blake, an intimidating 6-feet-6 and 320 pounds, told Jonathan Chan to put out his cigarette, cops and witnesses said.

When Chan refused, Blake grabbed him and hauled him toward the door - sparking a scuffle with him, Ching Chan and two of their friends, cops and witnesses said.

One of the two brothers pulled a knife and stabbed Blake in the abdomen at the foot of a set of stairs leading to the exit from the club, which serves Spanish tapas and cocktails to a thumping hip-hop beat, police said.

Didn't call for backup

Friends said Blake probably never even thought about calling for help in dealing with the two much smaller men.

"Who calls for backup when you're asking guys to put out a cigarette?" asked Anthony Cipriano, 34, the manager of Guernica.

As the bouncer lay dying, the brazen attackers even tried to talk their way back inside to retrieve a bag they left behind, Cipriano said.

"Do you want me to do to you what I did to your friend?" one of the Chan brothers told another bouncer, who didn't yet know about the killing inside, the manager said.

The brothers fled but were quickly captured around the corner from the strip of flashy clubs, restaurants and bars that line the once-shabby stretch of Alphabet City, cops said.

"The whole thing started because they were smoking," Cipriano said. "He was escorting them out and all of a sudden they jumped him."

"How could someone lose their life over something like that?" asked Richard Allen, Dana Blake's boss at Forte Security.

The city's new tough anti-smoking law went into effect on April 1, but authorities have said they won't start handing out tickets until May 1. Still, bar owners say they've seen a drop in business - and some fear tensions over the law will lead to more violence.

"This new rule is only going to cause more tragedy. I foresee it," Allen said.

But police spokesman Michael O'Looney said the killing was sparked more by the scuffle at the door than the smoking rules.

Ed Skyler, a spokesman for Mayor Bloomberg, did not mention the smoking ban in a statement that branded the killing a "senseless death."

The mayor's "thoughts are with the family of the victim," Skyler said.

Mild-mannered guy

While not much was immediately known about Ching Chan, Jonathan Chan's former neighbors described him as a seemingly mild-mannered banker. They said he broke up with his wife after her mother was killed in the World Trade Center attacks.

But his former father-in-law had nothing but praise for him.

"He was a very nice guy," said William Wilson, whose wife, Cynthia Motus-Wilson, died on Sept. 11, 2001.

[Raven Fox]

'Gentle giant'
leaves a big void

By CELESTE KATZ and DAVE GOLDINER
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

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Flowers and photos decorate window of Guernica, the club where bouncer Dana (Shazam) Blake was killed enforcing city's new ban on smoking in workplaces.

Dana (Shazam) Blake was 6-feet-6 and weighed 320 pounds, but friends said his generous spirit loomed even bigger than his considerable size.
The slain bouncer was a skilled painter who loved children and dreamed of starting a family even as he made a living keeping the peace in bars and clubs.

"He was just a big, cuddly bear," said Anthony Cipriano, 34, manager of Guernica, the East Village nightspot where Blake, 32, was killed early yesterday. "He was a smiley, lovey bear who could put on a mean face when he had to."

"He was a gentle giant," said Richard Allen, Blake's boss at Forte Security.

Friends and family also spoke of Blake's creativity, especially his gifts for painting and music.

He made extra money painting and drawing designs for neighbors in the Astoria Houses in Queens, where he lived most of his life.

"I've never really seen him angry or in a bad mood," said neighbor Linda Mathews, who grew up with Blake. "He was really sweet."

Neighbors recalled Blake as a smiling presence who would blast old Stevie Wonder tunes from his stereo and play with children in the project's hallways.

After his mother's death several years ago, he stayed in the apartment where he had grown up.

"He was the nicest person you'd ever want to meet," said Carol Washington, who gathered with other friends as word of his death spread.

Blake's older brother, the Rev. Tony Blake, recalled that the hulking bouncer spent hours helping his niece put together a new bicycle.

"He was good-hearted," said Tony Blake.

[ April 14, 2003, 04:56 PM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[kayotv]

its horrible what happened. Still, the security people obviously did not check the person holding the knife good enough to find it. Second, I truly believe that its not because of the smoking ban he got stabbed. The dude was an ass for not stepping outside to smoke a stoogie. The law does suck for those who have to enforce it. Trust me I know, I've got to do it everyday.

sad
kayO!

[JMNYC]

It took a few hours to sink in, but when I got home and saw the photo on TV.... well, I remember talking with him several times at the club :( Cool, down to earth, and genuine, without a nasty thing to say about anybody.

I'm against the smoking laws for many reasons, but blaming this on the law is absurd. This guy was part of our community ... he went to clubs like Shelter, B&S and many others on his nights off. He was cool as hell and his life was senselessly taken from him for absolutely no good reason, and it's a shame. It's also a reminder to live your life in the present.

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

For all of you who say it is a "silly law"

Exposure to second-hand tobacco smoke increases the risk of developing lung cancer, international experts have said.

A working group from the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), which is part of the World Health Organization, examined all of the major studies looking at smoking and cancer.

After a five-day meeting in Lyons, France, this week, they suggested non-smokers who are exposed to second-hand smoke are between 20% and 30% more likely to develop lung cancer.


Passive smoking is
quite clearly more than just the nuisance many of the world's tobacco companies would have us believe

Marsha Williams,
ASH
The experts also found cancers of the stomach, liver, uterus, cervix, kidney and myeloid leukaemia could be caused in part by smoking.

The group of 29 experts from 12 countries found second-hand tobacco smoke was carcinogenic to humans and that typical levels of passive exposure have been shown to cause lung cancer among people who have never smoked.

This means hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide from these cancers could now be linked to smoking.

Definite link

Dr Kurt Straif, who organised the IARC meeting, said the group examined 50 studies examining the link between passive smoking and cancer.

Speaking to BBC News Online, he added: "This is the first time that a global organisation has concluded that exposure to second hand smoke is linked to cancer."

One of the experts, Sir Richard Doll, said: "Environmental tobacco smoke that people experience at work or at home is definitely a cause of lung cancer.

"That has been discussed for a long time but this is the first time a group of independent scientists have reviewed all the evidence and said there is no question it is a cause of lung cancer."

Sir Richard said the findings should have a significant influence on health policies around the world and could strengthen arguments for a ban in this country on smoking in workplaces.

The experts also stated that one half of all persistent cigarette smokers are eventually killed by a tobacco-related disease.

Half of these deaths occur in middle age, which means they lose an average of 20-25 years of non-smoker life expectancy.

Annually tobacco accounts for millions of cancer deaths around the world, and it is the largest cause of preventable cancers.

However it causes a greater number of premature deaths from cardiovascular and lung diseases and strokes than from cancer.

Apart from cigarettes, other forms of tobacco smoking such as cigars and pipes increase the risks for cancer of the lung, head and neck.

Mounting evidence

Marsha Williams, of the anti-tobacco campaigning group ASH, said the findings added to the mounting body of evidence of the health risks from second-hand smoke.

She said: "Passive smoking is quite clearly more than just the nuisance many of the world's tobacco companies would have us believe.

"People are harmed and killed by it and it is time industry, government and smokers themselves woke up to this fact." (BBC)

[Shalewa]

The "point" about private parties being called upon to enforce the laws is a big fat red herring. Guernica is required as a condition of licensing to enforce the laws regarding alchol purchase and consumption by checking IDs and not letting patrons carry drinks out of the club. The merchant who sold the cigarettes is required to enforce the laws regarding the sale of tobacco products. Teachers, medical professionals and now clergy are required to report suspected case of child abuse. The list goes on. As a person who is bothered and occasionally sickened by smoke and who lost her smoking grandfather to emphysema and non-smoking grandmother to a smoke-related lung cancer I wholeheartedly support the law. The law did not kill Dana Blake, the Chan brothers killed Dana Blake.

[ April 14, 2003, 07:05 PM: Message edited by: Shalewa ]

[Ron la Rock]

Timmy & others

I understand second hand smoke can be damaging
however the problem with this law is who & how
enforcing it will work clearly a problem for nightlife industry in general (not just clubs) espec in the bar circuit it is still part of the social norms of hangin out drinkin & smoking

its hard to imagine but many people still don't know(of coarse they do now) there is such a law
wich maybe or not in this case
but for arguement sake what if these guys (the chan brothers) didn't know they couldn't smoke cigarettes in the club?
(weed is a dif issue)
it could have been seen as your just steppin 2 me cause of whatever by these patrons

once again is it really his job to enforce this
law?
wich many will feel is disrupting thier good time

also how are how clubs and lounge's gonna deal with peoples stepping in & outside (wich with any average crowd)all night just to puff stogie's?

i think its just another blow for the industry
if you think its just house partys suffering soon less & less people will be going anywhere with more & more restrictions on what they can and cannot do
!

[statuskuo]

i can't blame the smoking ban on this. blame on them thug f*cks. senseless shit. they probably just saw Better Luck Tomorrow. assholes!

thoughts are with the victim's fam...

[donna edwards]

This is sad, condolences to his family.

[Leslie]

No charges filed in NYC bouncer's death
04/15/2003 10:13 PM EDT

NEW YORK (AP) - The district attorney will not file charges against two men arrested in the fatal stabbing of a nightclub bouncer who police say was trying to enforce the city's new ban on smoking in bars and restaurants.


Police officials announced the decision early Tuesday following an investigation into the stabbing of Dana Blake, 32, who died about 11 hours after a fight Sunday at an East Village nightclub.


"There are facts and circumstances that we are still investigating," said district attorney's spokeswoman Barbara Thompson.


Police had arrested two brothers, stockbroker Jonathan Chan, 29, and medical student Ching Chan, 31, shortly after the fight on charges of assault, criminal possession of a weapon and resisting arrest.


Investigators initially believed Blake was stabbed in a fight with the brothers, but the medical examiner's office now is trying to determine whether he may have been cut by a piece of glass from a broken bottle, police said.


The medical examiner's officer did rule the death a homicide, the classification used for any death resulting even indirectly from human action.


No weapon was recovered at the scene, police said.


Neither the brothers nor their attorneys could immediately be reached for comment Tuesday.


According to police, Blake approached the men about 2:30 a.m. Sunday to tell them they could not smoke in the bar.


Police spokesman Michael O'Looney said witnesses told police that harsh words were exchanged and the brawl began when Blake tried to eject Jonathan Chan. A third man and a woman, identified as the brothers' older sister, then intervened. But no one had a clear view at the point when Blake was injured.


The ban that took effect last month, pushed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, extended smoking curbs to bars and small restaurants. Owners whose patrons smoke can be fined or have their licenses suspended.


Tony Blake, the victim's older brother, said Sunday he blamed the death on "this stupid cigarette law."


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[The Donger]

Originally posted by Ron paizley:
Timmy & others

I understand second hand smoke can be damaging
however the problem with this law is who & how
enforcing it will work clearly a problem for nightlife industry in general (not just clubs) espec in the bar circuit it is still part of the social norms of hangin out drinkin & smoking

its hard to imagine but many people still don't know(of coarse they do now) there is such a law
wich maybe or not in this case
but for arguement sake what if these guys (the chan brothers) didn't know they couldn't smoke cigarettes in the club?
(weed is a dif issue)
it could have been seen as your just steppin 2 me cause of whatever by these patrons

once again is it really his job to enforce this
law?
wich many will feel is disrupting thier good time

also how are how clubs and lounge's gonna deal with peoples stepping in & outside (wich with any average crowd)all night just to puff stogie's?

i think its just another blow for the industry
if you think its just house partys suffering soon less & less people will be going anywhere with more & more restrictions on what they can and cannot do
! Asking someone not to smoke in the bar is a lot different then "enforcing the law". Security gaurds don't have to fine "offenders" or arrest them and go through all the legal procedures (background ID checks, filling out paperwork, appearing in court like police have to, etc...).

It's just like if someone was doing something else in the bar they shouldn't be doing (so drunk they are puking, drugs, public sex, sleeping), they get asked to leave. If someone doesn't want to comply, they can be tossed, or you can call the cops and have them "enforce the law".

Hooray for the law. LA can deal with it, so can you.

[Bill Blake]

I hate LA

[The Donger]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
For all of you who say it is a "silly law"

Exposure to second-hand tobacco smoke increases the risk of developing lung cancer, international experts have said.

A working group from the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), which is part of the World Health Organization, examined all of the major studies looking at smoking and cancer.

After a five-day meeting in Lyons, France, this week, they suggested non-smokers who are exposed to second-hand smoke are between 20% and 30% more likely to develop lung cancer.


Passive smoking is
quite clearly more than just the nuisance many of the world's tobacco companies would have us believe

Marsha Williams,
ASH
The experts also found cancers of the stomach, liver, uterus, cervix, kidney and myeloid leukaemia could be caused in part by smoking.

The group of 29 experts from 12 countries found second-hand tobacco smoke was carcinogenic to humans and that typical levels of passive exposure have been shown to cause lung cancer among people who have never smoked.

This means hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide from these cancers could now be linked to smoking.

Definite link

Dr Kurt Straif, who organised the IARC meeting, said the group examined 50 studies examining the link between passive smoking and cancer.

Speaking to BBC News Online, he added: "This is the first time that a global organisation has concluded that exposure to second hand smoke is linked to cancer."

One of the experts, Sir Richard Doll, said: "Environmental tobacco smoke that people experience at work or at home is definitely a cause of lung cancer.

"That has been discussed for a long time but this is the first time a group of independent scientists have reviewed all the evidence and said there is no question it is a cause of lung cancer."

Sir Richard said the findings should have a significant influence on health policies around the world and could strengthen arguments for a ban in this country on smoking in workplaces.

The experts also stated that one half of all persistent cigarette smokers are eventually killed by a tobacco-related disease.

Half of these deaths occur in middle age, which means they lose an average of 20-25 years of non-smoker life expectancy.

Annually tobacco accounts for millions of cancer deaths around the world, and it is the largest cause of preventable cancers.

However it causes a greater number of premature deaths from cardiovascular and lung diseases and strokes than from cancer.

Apart from cigarettes, other forms of tobacco smoking such as cigars and pipes increase the risks for cancer of the lung, head and neck.

Mounting evidence

Marsha Williams, of the anti-tobacco campaigning group ASH, said the findings added to the mounting body of evidence of the health risks from second-hand smoke.

She said: "Passive smoking is quite clearly more than just the nuisance many of the world's tobacco companies would have us believe.

"People are harmed and killed by it and it is time industry, government and smokers themselves woke up to this fact." (BBC) I'm sick of nicotine drug addicts bitching.

Thank you Timmy and ditto.

[The Donger]

Since this thread is really about someone getting killed and has nothing to do with smoking.

Condolences to the family and friends.

I hope people come forward with enough info to get these guys busted...

[mdpm99]

Smoke gets in your eyes......The Platters