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The Buddy Love Show

07-09-2003, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
donger satirizes the shelter and its people and calls it a cult...btw the whitey white white guy joke was cute...especially when all the darkies brayed in unison...how droll...(funny those same jigs get mad when the same racial flav is joked on in reverse)

is junior and his crowd a cult?
how about johnathon peters?
or LLV?
or Body and Soul?

even Shalewas lil sister ( everyone all at once;awwwwwwwwww) who i guess reads the board yet doesn't write on it has to be convinced its not a cult

why can a white guy (supposedly0 do racial satire and get youse coons braying yet those very same eggplants get mad when a brother gets in that zone

why is OUR scene now a cult

but it aint a black thing

you ****ing fools you know the sad part about this particular insight, is that some won't understand it only because you said it [/QUOTE]of course not...cause I'M the bad guy...as lil ray wrote these are the folks who will blow their brains out down the road when they realze they been bamboozled

lyot

07-09-2003, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
donger satirizes the shelter and its people and calls it a cult...btw the whitey white white guy joke was cute...especially when all the darkies brayed in unison...how droll...(funny those same jigs get mad when the same racial flav is joked on in reverse)

is junior and his crowd a cult?
how about johnathon peters?
or LLV?
or Body and Soul?

even Shalewas lil sister ( everyone all at once;awwwwwwwwww) who i guess reads the board yet doesn't write on it has to be convinced its not a cult

why can a white guy (supposedly0 do racial satire and get youse coons braying yet those very same eggplants get mad when a brother gets in that zone

why is OUR scene now a cult

but it aint a black thing

you ****ing fools you know the sad part about this particular insight, is that some won't understand it only because you said it [/QUOTE]count me with the ones not understanding..not because it's magus, just because i don't get his message this time..

Moksha

07-09-2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
and please..lets not act like shit ain't ever a black thing... You are right...it is often a black thing. This time, though, I think it's just a thing. Unless you have any proof to the contrary...

falko

07-09-2003, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
The truth is: It's sometimes a black thing. Sometimes, it's just a thing.

In regards to your original post—these 3 days of Shelter threads have nothing to do with race. Just ask John Davis about the drama on the B&S board over the years...which was just as passionate as this one and Shelter. He, the co-owner (François) and 2/3 of his DJ lineup were as white as can be. Yet...people still made accusations on messageboards and often put the management on the defensive. yes, but couldn't you see that race (i.e., the fact that the proprietors were white and that the crowd became more "white" over the years) was a strong factor in a lot of the criticism of body&soul, much of which "appeared" (can't really tell online) to originate from people of color??

this seemed pretty obvious to me, as does the point that magus is making...

And

07-09-2003, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
but it aint a black thing

Perhaps it's a vibrant thing. graemlins/conf44.gif

mhd

07-09-2003, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
and please..lets not act like shit ain't ever a black thing... You are right...it is often a black thing. This time, though, I think it's just a thing. Unless you have any proof to the contrary... [/QUOTE]can you prove its not

The Buddy Love Show

07-09-2003, 04:17 PM

shit if shelter closed tomorow some of the biggest celebrants would be black...as if their nigger asses would be so accepted elsewhere

Moksha

07-09-2003, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by falko:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
The truth is: It's sometimes a black thing. Sometimes, it's just a thing.

In regards to your original post—these 3 days of Shelter threads have nothing to do with race. Just ask John Davis about the drama on the B&S board over the years...which was just as passionate as this one and Shelter. He, the co-owner (François) and 2/3 of his DJ lineup were as white as can be. Yet...people still made accusations on messageboards and often put the management on the defensive. yes, but couldn't you see that race (i.e., the fact that the proprietors were white and that the crowd became more "white" over the years) was a strong factor in a lot of the criticism of body&soul, much of which "appeared" (can't really tell online) to originate from people of color??

this seemed pretty obvious to me, as does the point that magus is making... [/QUOTE]Definitely a good point! But, my point is that people complain and agrue like this regardless of race. I've seen it happen in the UK club scene, it happened in the US rave scene, jungle scene, etc. I think these types of dramas are a product of messageboard technology and club politics, not race.

Of course, there are plenty of bad things that happen in nightlife and the surrounding industry that are based on race. I just don't think this was one of them.

Kinnies

07-09-2003, 04:24 PM

im usually just a lurker...wasting away my frustrations at work on here...but i couldn't take this whole three day debacle any longer...

this particular thread i find to be so disheartening...maybe im just too naive...too blind...i don't know...

i always thought house was a family thing...

Huey P. Freeman

07-09-2003, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
shit if shelter closed tomorow some of the biggest celebrants would be black...as if their nigger asses would be so accepted elsewhere Magus I'm sure you realize that being black and being a nigger are two completly seperate things. Niggers come in all colors. Not just black.

Moksha

07-09-2003, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
and please..lets not act like shit ain't ever a black thing... You are right...it is often a black thing. This time, though, I think it's just a thing. Unless you have any proof to the contrary... [/QUOTE]can you prove its not [/QUOTE]I think you are just instigating, but we can try, if you like.

dannyboy and those that complained, please swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, etc. Now, did you complain about Djs not being there because of your race, their race, or the race of any of Shelter's staff?

Ray, MYOR, and those who defended Shelter.: please swear to tell the truth, too. Did you defend Shelter against the accusations because of your race, their race, etc.?

mhd

07-09-2003, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
and please..lets not act like shit ain't ever a black thing... You are right...it is often a black thing. This time, though, I think it's just a thing. Unless you have any proof to the contrary... [/QUOTE]can you prove its not [/QUOTE]I think you are just instigating, but we can try, if you like.

dannyboy and those that complained, please swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, etc. Now, did you complain about Djs not being there because of your race, their race, or the race of any of Shelter's staff?

Ray, MYOR, and those who defended Shelter.: please swear to tell the truth, too. Did you defend Shelter against the accusations because of your race, their race, etc.? [/QUOTE]not instigating, just asking you to the same that you ask of others

Moksha

07-09-2003, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
and please..lets not act like shit ain't ever a black thing... You are right...it is often a black thing. This time, though, I think it's just a thing. Unless you have any proof to the contrary... [/QUOTE]can you prove its not [/QUOTE]I think you are just instigating, but we can try, if you like.

dannyboy and those that complained, please swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, etc. Now, did you complain about Djs not being there because of your race, their race, or the race of any of Shelter's staff?

Ray, MYOR, and those who defended Shelter.: please swear to tell the truth, too. Did you defend Shelter against the accusations because of your race, their race, etc.? [/QUOTE]not instigating, just asking you to the same that you ask of others [/QUOTE]Hahaha...you are instigating, but that's fine.

I never asked anything of others. I stated my opinion, and left the possiblity open that I would change my opinion if there was more information that I was not aware of. It is my belief that people would have complained and others would have defended regardless of races, as i have seen numerous times. This seems like a consequence of scheduling problems, not race. But, ya know...I could be wrong.

falko

07-09-2003, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by falko:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
The truth is: It's sometimes a black thing. Sometimes, it's just a thing.

In regards to your original post—these 3 days of Shelter threads have nothing to do with race. Just ask John Davis about the drama on the B&S board over the years...which was just as passionate as this one and Shelter. He, the co-owner (François) and 2/3 of his DJ lineup were as white as can be. Yet...people still made accusations on messageboards and often put the management on the defensive. yes, but couldn't you see that race (i.e., the fact that the proprietors were white and that the crowd became more "white" over the years) was a strong factor in a lot of the criticism of body&soul, much of which "appeared" (can't really tell online) to originate from people of color??

this seemed pretty obvious to me, as does the point that magus is making... [/QUOTE]Definitely a good point! But, my point is that people complain and agrue like this regardless of race. I've seen it happen in the UK club scene, it happened in the US rave scene, jungle scene, etc. I think these types of dramas are a product of messageboard technology and club politics, not race.

Of course, there are plenty of bad things that happen in nightlife and the surrounding industry that are based on race. I just don't think this was one of them. [/QUOTE]i agree that these criticisms/controversies are not solely caused by racial issues/considerations. obviously there are always legitimate opinions/beefs/complaints somewhere in the mix. however, i also think there is often a racial subtext.

this is why magus posted that little snippet from the satircal post about shelter. (the quote about "whitey" or whatever). as far as i could see, white/black issues had nothing to do with the original debate re: shelter, and the fact that this line made its way into a satircal commentary spurred on by that debate, illustrates the type of baggage that people bring to the table in these situations.

but again, my point is neither here nor there in that i'm not faulting anyone, or even trying to find fault.

it's just obvious (at least to me) that much of the defense and intense loyalty to shelter, is strengthened (not necessarily caused, but strengthened) by racial affinity, and a general weariness on the part of blacks at seeing prominent blacks criticized. equally, the frequency and intensity of a lot the criticism is strengthened (again, strengthened, not caused) by insecurity and resentment.

it sucks to talk about it because it's sad, but we shouldn't pretend that race is not there. otherwise no progress is made.

[ July 09, 2003, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: falko ]

Moksha

07-09-2003, 04:36 PM

Okay...I think I agree with everything you just wrote, falko.

falko

07-09-2003, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
Okay...I think I agree with everything you just wrote, falko. oh, i just edited becuz i thought my writing wuz a little weak...

Bold Soul

07-09-2003, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
shit if shelter closed tomorow some of the biggest celebrants would be black...as if their nigger asses would be so accepted elsewhere Magus I'm sure you realize that being black and being a nigger are two completly seperate things. Niggers come in all colors. Not just black. [/QUOTE]Niggers are black. Period. The term "nigger" isn't universal.

Bold Soul

07-09-2003, 05:13 PM

The founding notion is that you can't expect much from a nigger or nigger establishment and, if one happens to be successful, it must be because their character is circumspect.

P. Diddy, Johnny Cochran, Quincy Jones, Barry Gordy, Vernon Jordan, and so on...and so on...and so on...

Huey P. Freeman

07-09-2003, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
shit if shelter closed tomorow some of the biggest celebrants would be black...as if their nigger asses would be so accepted elsewhere Magus I'm sure you realize that being black and being a nigger are two completly seperate things. Niggers come in all colors. Not just black. [/QUOTE]Niggers are black. Period. The term "nigger" isn't universal. [/QUOTE]I disagree. I believe more in the way Chris Rock used the term in his comedy. I guess if you were a racist then nigger would be exclusive to blacks. But all blacks ain't niggers. And all niggers ain't black. That's the way I see it.

And

07-09-2003, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by falko:
Of course, there are plenty of bad things that happen in nightlife and the surrounding industry that are based on race. I just don't think this was one of them. i agree that these criticisms/controversies are not solely caused by racial issues/considerations. obviously there are always legitimate opinions/beefs/complaints somewhere in the mix. however, i also think there is often a racial subtext.

this is why magus posted that little snippet from the satircal post about shelter. (the quote about "whitey" or whatever). as far as i could see, white/black issues had nothing to do with the original debate re: shelter, and the fact that this line made its way into a satircal commentary spurred on by that debate, illustrates the type of baggage that people bring to the table in these situations.

but again, my point is neither here nor there in that i'm not faulting anyone, or even trying to find fault.

it's just obvious (at least to me) that much of the defense and intense loyalty to shelter, is strengthened (not necessarily caused, but strengthened) by racial affinity, and a general weariness on the part of blacks at seeing prominent blacks criticized. equally, the frequency and intensity of a lot the criticism is strengthened (again, strengthened, not caused) by insecurity and resentment.

it sucks to talk about it because it's sad, but we shouldn't pretend that race is not there. otherwise no progress is made. [/QB]Very well written Falko, I wish I were as clear sometimes.
I present this for people to consider .. or not.
I see the point you're making about the snippet Magus posted. Isn't it possible that some if not all of the people that found it funny were stepping outside of a certain racial mindset to laugh at something purely for the humour? I know when I read it I laughed, I also wondered .. Hmmm who's going to jump on this line here and make an 18 pager out of it, tie it into so many other issues no one knows what's what anymore. Perhaps ALL people were choosing to find funny about it was the manner in which it was penned. It was written to evoke laughter I thought. I also thought that the fact that that Whitey, white, white line was written to kinda mock the heated debates we get into on here. Being on here a lot, not long, I also know the types of discussions the poster has found himself in - thereby adding to what I found funny about the joke. Could those just be good enough reasons without indirect accusations of a deeper racial mis-agenda?
What are the points of threads like this? Direct questions to the one that causes you to ask certain questions and see if you get answers. There is a lot of assuming being done about what people are reacting to and the intent behind their reactions.
I'm not coming from a position of "Oh I see it better than everybody" ... not at all. In fact, there's a lot that dumbfounds me. Personally I'm finding that if something does, I go to the source or try to by asking questions of the person. I won't always get answers I believe or like or don't like - but whatever. Sometimes I'll just take what they say as that. WHAT THEY SAID.
I'd love to see more agreeing to disagree and more direct questions to the people one wishes to address.
I hope I'm clear ... biggrinangel.gif

And

07-09-2003, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
The founding notion is that you can't expect much from a nigger or nigger establishment and, if one happens to be successful, it must be because their character is circumspect.

P. Diddy, Johnny Cochran, Quincy Jones, Barry Gordy, Vernon Jordan, and so on...and so on...and so on... Not a personal dig BoldSoul but I think statements like these presented as if they are the general accepted notions are what contribute to circular discussions. I know I would much prefer you ask me if I think that then our dialogue could go in a different direction.

*I'm just writing in the first person ... I didn't take it personally nor am I attacking you.*

*I also don't like the over explaining I have to do each time I ask a question here. Oh well ... just means more work to be done on the clear.* icon_rofl.gif

Bold Soul

07-09-2003, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by 6 23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
The founding notion is that you can't expect much from a nigger or nigger establishment and, if one happens to be successful, it must be because their character is circumspect.

P. Diddy, Johnny Cochran, Quincy Jones, Barry Gordy, Vernon Jordan, and so on...and so on...and so on... Not a personal dig BoldSoul but I think statements like these presented as if they are the general accepted notions are what contribute to circular discussions. I know I would much prefer you ask me if I think that then our dialogue could go in a different direction.

*I'm just writing in the first person ... I didn't take it personally nor am I attacking you.*

*I also don't like the over explaining I have to do each time I ask a question here. Oh well ... just means more work to be done on the clear.* icon_rofl.gif [/QUOTE]How about you don't try to control my input and I won't try to control your response?

I could have prefaced my statement with "It is my view that..." but then common sense makes that redundant.

DJ Timmy Richardson

07-09-2003, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
shit if shelter closed tomorow some of the biggest celebrants would be black...as if their nigger asses would be so accepted elsewhere Magus I'm sure you realize that being black and being a nigger are two completly seperate things. Niggers come in all colors. Not just black. [/QUOTE]That is usually his point when he used the word. But obviously it is hard to see by a lot.

falko

07-09-2003, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by 6 23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by falko:
Of course, there are plenty of bad things that happen in nightlife and the surrounding industry that are based on race. I just don't think this was one of them. i agree that these criticisms/controversies are not solely caused by racial issues/considerations. obviously there are always legitimate opinions/beefs/complaints somewhere in the mix. however, i also think there is often a racial subtext.

this is why magus posted that little snippet from the satircal post about shelter. (the quote about "whitey" or whatever). as far as i could see, white/black issues had nothing to do with the original debate re: shelter, and the fact that this line made its way into a satircal commentary spurred on by that debate, illustrates the type of baggage that people bring to the table in these situations.

but again, my point is neither here nor there in that i'm not faulting anyone, or even trying to find fault.

it's just obvious (at least to me) that much of the defense and intense loyalty to shelter, is strengthened (not necessarily caused, but strengthened) by racial affinity, and a general weariness on the part of blacks at seeing prominent blacks criticized. equally, the frequency and intensity of a lot the criticism is strengthened (again, strengthened, not caused) by insecurity and resentment.

it sucks to talk about it because it's sad, but we shouldn't pretend that race is not there. otherwise no progress is made. Very well written Falko, I wish I were as clear sometimes.
I present this for people to consider .. or not.
I see the point you're making about the snippet Magus posted. Isn't it possible that some if not all of the people that found it funny were stepping outside of a certain racial mindset to laugh at something purely for the humour? I know when I read it I laughed, I also wondered .. Hmmm who's going to jump on this line here and make an 18 pager out of it, tie it into so many other issues no one knows what's what anymore. Perhaps ALL people were choosing to find funny about it was the manner in which it was penned. It was written to evoke laughter I thought. I also thought that the fact that that Whitey, white, white line was written to kinda mock the heated debates we get into on here. Being on here a lot, not long, I also know the types of discussions the poster has found himself in - thereby adding to what I found funny about the joke. Could those just be good enough reasons without indirect accusations of a deeper racial mis-agenda?
What are the points of threads like this? Direct questions to the one that causes you to ask certain questions and see if you get answers. There is a lot of assuming being done about what people are reacting to and the intent behind their reactions.
I'm not coming from a position of "Oh I see it better than everybody" ... not at all. In fact, there's a lot that dumbfounds me. Personally I'm finding that if something does, I go to the source or try to by asking questions of the person. I won't always get answers I believe or like or don't like - but whatever. Sometimes I'll just take what they say as that. WHAT THEY SAID.
I'd love to see more agreeing to disagree and more direct questions to the people one wishes to address.
I hope I'm clear ... biggrinangel.gif [/QB][/QUOTE]to some extent i feel the same way you do. i thought the "why i don't go to shelter" post was funny, and i was not angered or bothered by it. at face value it was just a joke and it was clever and it made a valid point that people could stand to lighten up a bit.

however, the "whitey" line was not random or a coincidence. in the context of the current argument, it was completely from leftfield. but yet, it also reflected a feeling of resentment at "pro-blackness" that resurfaces over and over here and often defines people's stances on certain issues. similarly, i don't think many defenders of the shelter in this case care so much about the issue at hand, but are more concerned with the underlying racial context - they resent seeing these black guys criticized so much, and will defend no matter what (circle the wagons).

i was just trying to agree with magus, because i feel he is raising such a pertinent and interesting issue, that is rarely addressed directly, but rather plays itself out almost in the "code" of other language and ideas...

i think it's a shame because i genuinely think that people would argue less if they looked past this stuff, although that might not be possible.

The Buddy Love Show

07-10-2003, 08:08 AM

a case in point

It was reported on this mornings WCBS (radio) broadcast that Jason Kidd will only stay with the Nets if they fire Byron Scott as coach...he called the man incompetent and unable to do the job because of their 4 - 2 series loss to the Spurs( I guess his getting his ass handed to him in the finals had nothing to do with it)......the announcer Jared Max (sp.) then takes the opportunity to rip Scott by saying he did something that Pat Riley would never have done (btw...Riley showed his acumen with J Starks in a game 7 and hasn't done shit since Magic retired...but he's da great white Armani clad prince)...now mind you Jared Max had never ripped Scott about the Spurs series up to this point but since another nigger gave him the opening he drove right in

but it ain't cause they're black, is it?

[ July 10, 2003, 09:10 AM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]

Huey P. Freeman

07-10-2003, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
a case in point

It was reported on this mornings WCBS (radio) broadcast that Jason Kidd will only stay with the Nets if they fire Byron Scott as coach...he called the man incompetent and unable to do the job because of their 4 - 2 series loss to the Spurs( I guess his getting his ass handed to him in the finals had nothing to do with it)......the announcer Jared Max (sp.) then takes the opportunity to rip Scott by saying he did something that Pat Riley would never have done (btw...Riley showed his acumen with J Starks in a game 7 and hasn't done shit since Magic retired...but he's da great white Armani clad prince)...now mind you Jared Max had never ripped Scott about the Spurs series up to this point but since another nigger gave him the opening he drove right in

but it ain't cause they're black, is it? You've got to be F.cking kidding me. Kidd said that. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif Sad.

The Buddy Love Show

07-10-2003, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
a case in point

It was reported on this mornings WCBS (radio) broadcast that Jason Kidd will only stay with the Nets if they fire Byron Scott as coach...he called the man incompetent and unable to do the job because of their 4 - 2 series loss to the Spurs( I guess his getting his ass handed to him in the finals had nothing to do with it)......the announcer Jared Max (sp.) then takes the opportunity to rip Scott by saying he did something that Pat Riley would never have done (btw...Riley showed his acumen with J Starks in a game 7 and hasn't done shit since Magic retired...but he's da great white Armani clad prince)...now mind you Jared Max had never ripped Scott about the Spurs series up to this point but since another nigger gave him the opening he drove right in

but it ain't cause they're black, is it? You've got to be F.cking kidding me. Kidd said that. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif Sad. [/QUOTE]his ultimatum...Byron Scott or Him

I say keep Scott and screw him...point guards aint easy to find but the Nets were a joke til Scott came along

Huey P. Freeman

07-10-2003, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
a case in point

It was reported on this mornings WCBS (radio) broadcast that Jason Kidd will only stay with the Nets if they fire Byron Scott as coach...he called the man incompetent and unable to do the job because of their 4 - 2 series loss to the Spurs( I guess his getting his ass handed to him in the finals had nothing to do with it)......the announcer Jared Max (sp.) then takes the opportunity to rip Scott by saying he did something that Pat Riley would never have done (btw...Riley showed his acumen with J Starks in a game 7 and hasn't done shit since Magic retired...but he's da great white Armani clad prince)...now mind you Jared Max had never ripped Scott about the Spurs series up to this point but since another nigger gave him the opening he drove right in

but it ain't cause they're black, is it? You've got to be F.cking kidding me. Kidd said that. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif Sad. [/QUOTE]his ultimatum...Byron Scott or Him

I say keep Scott and screw him...point guards aint easy to find but the Nets were a joke til Scott came along [/QUOTE]I agree. That blows my mind that he would say some stupid shit like that. It also blows my mind that San Antonio seems to want him so bad even though he is not such a huge upgrade at point guard. Parker is younger, paid less and developing into a pretty good point.

Moksha

07-10-2003, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by falko:

however, the "whitey" line was not random or a coincidence. in the context of the current argument, it was completely from leftfield. but yet, it also reflected a feeling of resentment at "pro-blackness" that resurfaces over and over here and often defines people's stances on certain issues. You are off-base here. The statement was not from leftfield...it was a continuation of other satires that Donger has done. (Check out the 7 Families thread, for example). I don't think Donger resents pro-blackness...he resents all the cliques that are based around race (ALL RACES), and the exclusiveness of these cliques/scenes.

Furthermore, I have found myself being a part of the "Shelter Defense Fund" on numerous occasions...and it was never because of race. It was because I love the club, the music, the people, etc. It's like defending your family...when people attack your home, you get defensive.

I agree that there are always subtexts....but Magus' assertion that the conflict, in this instance, is a direct product of racial factors seems unlikely...or at least, VERY incomplete.

fred da warrior

07-10-2003, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
a case in point

It was reported on this mornings WCBS (radio) broadcast that Jason Kidd will only stay with the Nets if they fire Byron Scott as coach...he called the man incompetent and unable to do the job because of their 4 - 2 series loss to the Spurs( I guess his getting his ass handed to him in the finals had nothing to do with it)......the announcer Jared Max (sp.) then takes the opportunity to rip Scott by saying he did something that Pat Riley would never have done (btw...Riley showed his acumen with J Starks in a game 7 and hasn't done shit since Magic retired...but he's da great white Armani clad prince)...now mind you Jared Max had never ripped Scott about the Spurs series up to this point but since another nigger gave him the opening he drove right in

but it ain't cause they're black, is it? You've got to be F.cking kidding me. Kidd said that. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif Sad. [/QUOTE]his ultimatum...Byron Scott or Him

I say keep Scott and screw him...point guards aint easy to find but the Nets were a joke til Scott came along [/QUOTE]Sorry to bust in on the thread, but both Scott and Jason Kidd shit on themselves in the finals....Lemme asks this, would you consider firing Byron Scott, if it was a 25 year old Jason Kidd instead of a 35 year old Jason Kidd (all thing being equal)? The fact that a cat wanted his coach fired isn't exactly unprecedented (sp?) in the Show, hell, Magic wanted Paul Westhead fired AFTER the Lakers won a championship, and Michael Jordan didn't exactly block the doors to keep Doug Collins from getting fired either.

As a point of reference, Byron Scott won 24 games his first year w Stephon Marbury before the trade....

Just wondering....

The Donger

07-10-2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by falko:

however, the "whitey" line was not random or a coincidence. in the context of the current argument, it was completely from leftfield. but yet, it also reflected a feeling of resentment at "pro-blackness" that resurfaces over and over here and often defines people's stances on certain issues. You are off-base here. The statement was not from leftfield...it was a continuation of other satires that Donger has done. (Check out the 7 Families thread, for example). I don't think Donger resents pro-blackness...he resents all the cliques that are based around race (ALL RACES), and the exclusiveness of these cliques/scenes.

Furthermore, I have found myself being a part of the "Shelter Defense Fund" on numerous occasions...and it was never because of race. It was because I love the club, the music, the people, etc. It's like defending your family...when people attack your home, you get defensive.

I agree that there are always subtexts....but Magus' assertion that the conflict, in this instance, is a direct product of racial factors seems unlikely...or at least, VERY incomplete. [/QUOTE]Thanks, I was out sick yesterday. Didn't know I had to defend myself.

I have written a dozen "official press releases" that were "straight from the Body and Soul site" in the past, and as Konbit mentioned, authored the now infamous 7 Families document. All of which make fun of everyone. Now that I FINALLY got around to writing a faux Shelter Press Release ispired by this recent major Shelter drama, it was because they are black?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thanks for the laughs!

Moksha

07-10-2003, 11:32 AM

like Magus...I think people often have a hard time "getting" Donger's underlying commentary.

The Buddy Love Show

07-10-2003, 11:33 AM

people see what they wanna see

but its mighty white of y'all to defend your points (oops just a phrase..don't mean nothing y'all bein white an all) and show me the error of my ways

as i said

its never a black thing is it?

in fact all that anti black shit ended with the passage of the civil rights act and all the racists and their sympathiizers just went poof and vanished into thin air leaving just black paranoia in its wake

uh huh

The Buddy Love Show

07-10-2003, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
like Magus...I think people often have a hard time "getting" Donger's underlying commentary. actually i had no problem with it...if peps are reading what i say i'm more lambasting those who have a problem with me but no problem with him

but it aint a black thing?!!!!

Moksha

07-10-2003, 11:37 AM

ummmm....I don't think anyone is saying what you are accusing peeps of saying. You are making vast generalizations based on some very specific assertions.

jimmymack-2000

07-10-2003, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:

but its mighty white of y'all Does anybody even use this phrase anymore? I've only ever heard it once, asked the person what it meant, then asked them not to use it again.

I'm not sure the tension between races in the U.S. will ever be sorted out...

Bold Soul

07-10-2003, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
like Magus...I think people often have a hard time "getting" Donger's underlying commentary. actually i had no problem with it...if peps are reading what i say i'm more lambasting those who have a problem with me but no problem with him

but it aint a black thing?!!!! [/QUOTE]That's the funniest shit - how you are vilified and Donger is backslapped - but the same people who attack you no less.

Why is it appropriate and entertaining from Donger but a banning offense by you? Bullshit.

Bold Soul

07-10-2003, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:

but its mighty white of y'all Does anybody even use this phrase anymore? I've only ever heard it once, asked the person what it meant, then asked them not to use it again.

I'm not sure the tension between races in the U.S. will ever be sorted out... [/QUOTE]I didn't see you make any statement about "whitey-white folks". Just an observation.

Moksha

07-10-2003, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
like Magus...I think people often have a hard time "getting" Donger's underlying commentary. actually i had no problem with it...if peps are reading what i say i'm more lambasting those who have a problem with me but no problem with him

but it aint a black thing?!!!! [/QUOTE]That's the funniest shit - how you are vilified and Donger is backslapped - but the same people who attack you no less.

Why is it appropriate and entertaining from Donger but a banning offense by you? Bullshit. [/QUOTE]I think this assertion is totally wrong.

Actually...Donger was the only member to receive the perma-ban (He reapperaed under a new, toned-down guise after a while).

Who, exactly, finds Donger appropriate and MarkB offensive? (I bet there are about an equal number who think the opposite.)

For the record, I find them both to be very insightful and entertaining.

kev

07-10-2003, 11:51 AM

I have never been offended by Donger or Magus. I actually look forward to reading their posts.

mhd

07-10-2003, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:

but its mighty white of y'all Does anybody even use this phrase anymore? I've only ever heard it once, asked the person what it meant, then asked them not to use it again.

I'm not sure the tension between races in the U.S. will ever be sorted out... [/QUOTE]I didn't see you make any statement about "whitey-white folks". Just an observation. [/QUOTE]you weren't supposed to notice that

mhd

07-10-2003, 11:56 AM

falko

07-10-2003, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by The Donger:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by falko:

however, the "whitey" line was not random or a coincidence. in the context of the current argument, it was completely from leftfield. but yet, it also reflected a feeling of resentment at "pro-blackness" that resurfaces over and over here and often defines people's stances on certain issues. You are off-base here. The statement was not from leftfield...it was a continuation of other satires that Donger has done. (Check out the 7 Families thread, for example). I don't think Donger resents pro-blackness...he resents all the cliques that are based around race (ALL RACES), and the exclusiveness of these cliques/scenes.

Furthermore, I have found myself being a part of the "Shelter Defense Fund" on numerous occasions...and it was never because of race. It was because I love the club, the music, the people, etc. It's like defending your family...when people attack your home, you get defensive.

I agree that there are always subtexts....but Magus' assertion that the conflict, in this instance, is a direct product of racial factors seems unlikely...or at least, VERY incomplete. [/QUOTE]Thanks, I was out sick yesterday. Didn't know I had to defend myself.

I have written a dozen "official press releases" that were "straight from the Body and Soul site" in the past, and as Konbit mentioned, authored the now infamous 7 Families document. All of which make fun of everyone. Now that I FINALLY got around to writing a faux Shelter Press Release ispired by this recent major Shelter drama, it was because they are black?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thanks for the laughs! [/QUOTE]to donger - i can only speak for myself, but that's not what i was trying to say.

to konbit - i hear your points.

it's just my opinion, but i stand by it (agree to disagree)

to magus - sorry if i misinterpreted what you were saying.

[ July 10, 2003, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: falko ]

The Buddy Love Show

07-10-2003, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by falko:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by falko:

however, the "whitey" line was not random or a coincidence. in the context of the current argument, it was completely from leftfield. but yet, it also reflected a feeling of resentment at "pro-blackness" that resurfaces over and over here and often defines people's stances on certain issues. You are off-base here. The statement was not from leftfield...it was a continuation of other satires that Donger has done. (Check out the 7 Families thread, for example). I don't think Donger resents pro-blackness...he resents all the cliques that are based around race (ALL RACES), and the exclusiveness of these cliques/scenes.

Furthermore, I have found myself being a part of the "Shelter Defense Fund" on numerous occasions...and it was never because of race. It was because I love the club, the music, the people, etc. It's like defending your family...when people attack your home, you get defensive.

I agree that there are always subtexts....but Magus' assertion that the conflict, in this instance, is a direct product of racial factors seems unlikely...or at least, VERY incomplete. [/QUOTE]Thanks, I was out sick yesterday. Didn't know I had to defend myself.

I have written a dozen "official press releases" that were "straight from the Body and Soul site" in the past, and as Konbit mentioned, authored the now infamous 7 Families document. All of which make fun of everyone. Now that I FINALLY got around to writing a faux Shelter Press Release ispired by this recent major Shelter drama, it was because they are black?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thanks for the laughs! [/QUOTE]to donger - i can only speak for myself, but that's not what i was trying to say.

to konbit - i hear your points.

it's just my opinion, but i stand by it (agree to disagree)

to magus - sorry if i misinterpreted what you were saying. [/QUOTE]falko...you are pretty much dead on point..and much more eloquent than myself...carry on

imported_Gman

07-10-2003, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
like Magus...I think people often have a hard time "getting" Donger's underlying commentary. actually i had no problem with it...if peps are reading what i say i'm more lambasting those who have a problem with me but no problem with him

but it aint a black thing?!!!! [/QUOTE]That's the funniest shit - how you are vilified and Donger is backslapped - but the same people who attack you no less.

Why is it appropriate and entertaining from Donger but a banning offense by you? Bullshit. [/QUOTE]I think this assertion is totally wrong.

Actually...Donger was the only member to receive the perma-ban (He reapperaed under a new, toned-down guise after a while).

Who, exactly, finds Donger appropriate and MarkB offensive? (I bet there are about an equal number who think the opposite.)

For the record, I find them both to be very insightful and entertaining. [/QUOTE]Bold you must have missed all that fun. Anyway Konbit is correct Donger was one of the few people that has gotten a permanent ban (which was resended during the great message board wars). I guess it was entertainment for some but at the time I was not amused.

-G

Bill Blake

07-10-2003, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Gman:
during the great message board wars

-G Ahhh those were the days

Moksha

07-10-2003, 12:55 PM

The old Donger was by far the most hated personality in all of house music messageboard land. He has since turned his back on the dark side of the force....kinda.

[ July 10, 2003, 01:56 PM: Message edited by: Orion : Konbit ]

Bill Blake

07-10-2003, 12:58 PM

Glenn Undergroun had this board in hysteria with hatred durring that IAMHOUSE faze.

And use to get biznizannneeedd a lot.

Bold Soul

07-10-2003, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
The old Donger was by far the most hated personality in all of house music messageboard land. He has since turned his back on the dark side of the force....kinda. Yea, but the "new" Donger is like the "new" Pat Buchanan. Sure, it's the same bullshit, but at least now it's entertainment.

Whatever.

[ July 10, 2003, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

Moksha

07-10-2003, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
The old Donger was by far the most hated personality in all of house music messageboard land. He has since turned his back on the dark side of the force....kinda. Yea, but the "new" Donger is like the "new" Pat Buchanan. Sure, it's the same bullshit, but at least now it's entertainment.

Whatever. [/QUOTE]Huh?

What are you talking about?

Donger toned down to avoid getting perma-banned again. Just like MarkB tones down now and again to avoid bannings.

I'm sorry that Donger's past personality contradicts your "Donger can get away with anything, 'cause he's not black" theory... but you shouldn't be bitter about it.

P.S. Why is Donger's commentary "bullshit" and MarkB's brilliant? They both make great points in very subtle ways.

Bold Soul

07-10-2003, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
The old Donger was by far the most hated personality in all of house music messageboard land. He has since turned his back on the dark side of the force....kinda. Yea, but the "new" Donger is like the "new" Pat Buchanan. Sure, it's the same bullshit, but at least now it's entertainment.

Whatever. [/QUOTE]Huh?

What are you talking about?

Donger toned down to avoid getting perma-banned again. Just like MarkB tones down now and again to avoid bannings.

I'm sorry that Donger's past personality contradicts your "Donger can get away with anything, 'cause he's not black" theory... but you shouldn't be bitter about it.

P.S. Why is Donger's commentary "bullshit" and MarkB's brilliant? They both make great points in very subtle ways. [/QUOTE]The arguement isn't about any "old" and "new" persona - which is all illusory since they are one in the same. I am stating that the rhetoric is far less constructive and much more alienating from Donger than it is Mark B, yet it is Mark B that the "pro-blacks" vilify while they embrace Donger.

Mark B's entire M.O. is to uplift blacks, yet these pseudo-militants attack him at every turn. Donger openly makes fun of blacks and they laugh right along with him.

But of course you can't see this Konbit.

The Buddy Love Show

07-10-2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
The old Donger was by far the most hated personality in all of house music messageboard land. He has since turned his back on the dark side of the force....kinda. Yea, but the "new" Donger is like the "new" Pat Buchanan. Sure, it's the same bullshit, but at least now it's entertainment.

Whatever. [/QUOTE]Huh?

What are you talking about?

Donger toned down to avoid getting perma-banned again. Just like MarkB tones down now and again to avoid bannings.

I'm sorry that Donger's past personality contradicts your "Donger can get away with anything, 'cause he's not black" theory... but you shouldn't be bitter about it.

P.S. Why is Donger's commentary "bullshit" and MarkB's brilliant? They both make great points in very subtle ways. [/QUOTE]The arguement isn't about any "old" and "new" persona - which is all illusory since they are one in the same. I am stating that the rhetoric is far less constructive and much more alienating from Donger than it is Mark B, yet it is Mark B that the "pro-blacks" vilify while they embrace Donger.

Mark B's entire M.O. is to uplift blacks, yet these pseudo-militants attack him at every turn. Donger openly makes fun of blacks and they laugh right along with him.

But of course you can't see this Konbit. [/QUOTE]Bold Soul...thanks for todays learning experience....your shit is so deep Con Ed might tap into it

peace

Moksha

07-10-2003, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
The arguement isn't about any "old" and "new" persona - which is all illusory since they are one in the same. I am stating that the rhetoric is far less constructive and much more alienating from Donger than it is Mark B, yet it is Mark B that the "pro-blacks" vilify while they embrace Donger.

Mark B's entire M.O. is to uplift blacks, yet these pseudo-militants attack him at every turn. Donger openly makes fun of blacks and they laugh right along with him.

But of course you can't see this Konbit. Actually...it appears that I see it better than you.

Everything you say is right, except for "Donger openly makes fun of blacks."

Maybe you should reconsider your assumptions about Donger's objectives. (You should have probably used "objective" instead of "M.O.", by the way).

For somebody that often criticizes people for making assumptions about others' intents...you sure seem to do just that quite a bit.

Bold Soul

07-10-2003, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
The arguement isn't about any "old" and "new" persona - which is all illusory since they are one in the same. I am stating that the rhetoric is far less constructive and much more alienating from Donger than it is Mark B, yet it is Mark B that the "pro-blacks" vilify while they embrace Donger.

Mark B's entire M.O. is to uplift blacks, yet these pseudo-militants attack him at every turn. Donger openly makes fun of blacks and they laugh right along with him.

But of course you can't see this Konbit. Actually...it appears that I see it better than you.

Everything you say is right, except for "Donger openly makes fun of blacks."

Maybe you should reconsider your assumptions about Donger's objectives. (You should have probably used "objective" instead of "M.O.", by the way).

For somebody that often criticizes people for making assumptions about others' intents...you sure seem to do just that quite a bit. [/QUOTE]Whatever. There are those who will and won't see. Among those of us who will see, the credibility of those like you who can't relate is circumspect.

Fcuk a world without race. How about a world where people allow others to have their race without their interference?

TAC

07-10-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
[QUOTE]The arguement isn't about any "old" and "new" persona - which is all illusory since they are one in the same. I am stating that the rhetoric is far less constructive and much more alienating from Donger than it is Mark B, yet it is Mark B that the "pro-blacks" vilify while they embrace Donger.

Mark B's entire M.O. is to uplift blacks, yet these pseudo-militants attack him at every turn. Donger openly makes fun of blacks and they laugh right along with him.

But of course you can't see this Konbit. Take notes, fast. I'm pro-black (Afrocentric to be exact).

I find Donger's on-line commentary HIGHLY, HIGHLY offensive. I find nothing cute about some white kid coming up in the House (pun intended), and screaming "fire" under the guise of entertainment. Not cute.

Listen, my head is wrapped very tightly so I don't get caught up in the "race riots" up in here. Let it be known, I see right through the bulls*t from the very start.

This is why he's the MISCREANT. DONGER, that is.

P.S. Yes your white, I've seen you. We even broke bread together. But, unless you open your month and say otherwise, no one can tell. So take it like a man, MISCREANT.

TAC

Bold Soul

07-10-2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by TAC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:

The arguement isn't about any "old" and "new" persona - which is all illusory since they are one in the same. I am stating that the rhetoric is far less constructive and much more alienating from Donger than it is Mark B, yet it is Mark B that the "pro-blacks" vilify while they embrace Donger.

Mark B's entire M.O. is to uplift blacks, yet these pseudo-militants attack him at every turn. Donger openly makes fun of blacks and they laugh right along with him.

But of course you can't see this Konbit. Take notes, fast. I'm pro-black (Afrocentric to be exact).

I find Donger's on-line commentary HIGHLY, HIGHLY offensive. I find nothing cute about some white kid coming up in the House (pun intended), and screaming "fire" under the guise of entertainment. Not cute.

Listen, my head is wrapped very tightly so I don't get caught up in the "race riots" up in here. Let it be known, I see right through the bulls*t from the very start.

This is why he's the MISCREANT. DONGER, that is.

P.S. Yes your white, I've seen you. We even broke bread together. But, unless you open your month and say otherwise, no one can tell. So take it like a man, MISCREANT.

TAC Add this man to the list of those who see.

Moksha

07-10-2003, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
those like youFor somebody who has never met me, seen me, spoke to me, or interacted with me in any way outside of posts on this particular forum, you sure do make a lot of assumptions about me.

Oh...I forgot, you have my "M.O." all figured out. Right... :rolleyes:

You really shouldn't make generalizations about people you think are "like" me before you know me.

Bold Soul

07-10-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
those like youFor somebody who has never met me, seen me, spoke to me, or interacted with me in any way outside of posts on this particular forum, you sure do make a lot of assumptions about me.

Oh...I forgot, you have my "M.O." all figured out. Right... :rolleyes:

You really shouldn't make generalizations about people you think are "like" me before you know me. [/QUOTE]Editing my response because it was a bit foul. My apologies if you saw it.

[ July 10, 2003, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

imported_Gman

07-10-2003, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
those like youFor somebody who has never met me, seen me, spoke to me, or interacted with me in any way outside of posts on this particular forum, you sure do make a lot of assumptions about me.

Oh...I forgot, you have my "M.O." all figured out. Right... :rolleyes:

You really shouldn't make generalizations about people you think are "like" me before you know me. [/QUOTE]Editing my response because it was a bit foul. My apologies if you saw it. [/QUOTE]Thanks for editing it.

Moksha

07-10-2003, 02:01 PM

[ July 10, 2003, 03:11 PM: Message edited by: Orion : Konbit ]

Bold Soul

07-10-2003, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by Gman:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
those like youFor somebody who has never met me, seen me, spoke to me, or interacted with me in any way outside of posts on this particular forum, you sure do make a lot of assumptions about me.

Oh...I forgot, you have my "M.O." all figured out. Right... :rolleyes:

You really shouldn't make generalizations about people you think are "like" me before you know me. [/QUOTE]Editing my response because it was a bit foul. My apologies if you saw it. [/QUOTE]Thanks for editing it. [/QUOTE]I tried. And thanks to you GMan. Your tolerance for free speech is admirable. Really ****in' admirable.

The Donger

07-10-2003, 02:15 PM

I make fun of Shelter fanatics, and I have also made a LOT of fun of Body & Soul fanatics with several "official press releases". Many times I called people out by name, many of these people are white.

Does that upset you?

Maybe YOU need to search YOUR souls.

[ July 10, 2003, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: The Donger ]

Bold Soul

07-10-2003, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by The Donger:
I make fun of Shelter fanatics, and I have also made a LOT of fun of Body & Soul fanatics with several "official press releases". Many times I called people out by name, many of these people are white.

Does that upset you?

Maybe YOU need to search YOUR souls. So as you were composing your satire, you envisioned white characters saying "whitey white white folks?"

Go ahead with that backpedaling bullshit. Once you introduced that little wise bit of humor, you introduced CONTRAST - that Shelter is a black house cult. That the club is owned and frequented by black people and that the DJs who didn't play that night are black provides the CONTEXT.

Take a creative writing course or own up to the fact that you have some issues with black people. You never seem to miss an opportunity to poke fun at them.

[ July 10, 2003, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

The Donger

07-10-2003, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
I make fun of Shelter fanatics, and I have also made a LOT of fun of Body & Soul fanatics with several "official press releases". Many times I called people out by name, many of these people are white.

Does that upset you?

Maybe YOU need to search YOUR souls. So as you were composing your satire, those were white characters saying "whitey white white folks?"

Go ahead with that backpedaling bullshit. [/QUOTE]What?

That character was as black as the next character that promoted "racial harmony" in the next character quote.

What don't you understand??? Reread please.

Honestly, if you can't get through this reading excercise on your own, then you are not worth the trouble.

Bold Soul

07-10-2003, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by The Donger:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
I make fun of Shelter fanatics, and I have also made a LOT of fun of Body & Soul fanatics with several "official press releases". Many times I called people out by name, many of these people are white.

Does that upset you?

Maybe YOU need to search YOUR souls. So as you were composing your satire, those were white characters saying "whitey white white folks?"

Go ahead with that backpedaling bullshit. [/QUOTE]What?

That character was as black as the next character that promoted "racial harmony" in the next character quote.

What don't you understand??? Reread please.

Honestly, if you can't get through this reading excercise on your own, then you are not worth the trouble. [/QUOTE]Prose Donger. If we keep misunderstanding you, why not reconsider your approach. Granted, I may not be as smart as you, but in this case, I'm not the only one annoyed.

The Donger

07-10-2003, 02:59 PM

P.S. I recieved an A+ in my Creative Writing course.

Bold Soul

07-10-2003, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by The Donger:
P.S. I recieved an A+ in my Creative Writing course. Who set the grade curve?

The Donger

07-10-2003, 03:15 PM

No grade curve. Why so suprised? My creative writing obviously has you hooked. You are one of my biggest readers.

Ron la Rock

07-10-2003, 07:09 PM

Good read so far

while the joke in question was funny
never get it twisted.
we know that (some)of these younger white kids have issues with the passion of black folk in this realm (or any other 4 that matter)
yes its quite clear there always an underline subtext (race)by the same token we as black people must stop giving more power than is needed
(wich can come off as paranoia at best)

yes Mark I
get a lot of what your comentary
(even if it does ruffle feathers)& I agree so what if it does however by many of your own threads it is not just ok 4 us 2 be in the game
as well as it is 2 represent in the best manner as possible and show we can still be
black(passionate/playful/funky etc...)
and be most proffesional intellegent and on point & extremley successful as well believe bruh I get it
(hamptons over the weekend huh?
bigtime graemlins/beerchug.gif )and by that we must be able to take each other 2 task as well in private or public we can defend but blind defense and blind
loyalty just doesn't cut it 4 me
cause I've been cut 2 many time by guess who? brothers so please graemlins/nono.gif

in this this case the defense got on my nerve
no objectives and logic thrown out the window
contradictory at best
Do i believe race plays some factor yes,
maybe not as much this time but lurking underneath
could be?

AM I A EQUAL OPPORTTUNITY HATER ya damm right
crackuz & niggaz get on my Got-danm nerves alike

will the naysayers at least in this thread never admitt it (cats may admitt 2 gettin ass-n-face
fukced by a gorilla aliens
before admitting we still have race issues in the house scene)espec in the case of certain individuals

I havent read Bold souls other thread but It will be interesting 2 see where this winds up as the whole thing winds down (wich i hope it does graemlins/puke.gif )
there also angles that the race and generation factors havent been brought into play here yet
wich I'm sure a few of you have thought of?
;)

laterz