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mdpm99
12-24-2003, 06:58 AM
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Subject: Re: OUTRAGED PHYSICIAN

'As a physician, I'd like to say a few words about this Mad Cow Disease incident. It is absurd that Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman can, with a straight face, go on national TV and tell the American people that the food supply is safe and that she plans to serve beef for her Christmas dinner. If this doesn't sound like a lying beaurocrat I don't know what does. First of all, it's obvious that since this cow had MCD, there is no way the government, including this lying beaurocrat Ann Veneman, can be sure that other infected cows have not entered the food supply. Secondly and incredibly, we now learn that even when they knew this cow was diseased in some way, it's meat was allowed to enter the food supply! Apparently a law that would have prevented the use of such diseased animals was blocked by the House! How many Americans were aware that this practice is permitted by our government! I want to know which congressmen voted against the bill to ban such use of diseased cattle. They should be revealed publicly and be made to account for their failure to protect the public welfare. A congressional investigation is warranted.

A few points about MCD as I understand them:

1. The cause is not actually a living organism but rather a molecule called a "prion"

2. Cooking the meat will NOT destroy the prion, so cooking does not prevent MCD

3. The human form of MCD is called Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease

4. The disease is NOT curable and as far as I am aware always leads to dementia and death

5. The disease is contracted by eating animal tissue contaminated by the animal's infected nerve tissue (remember the spinal cord near the vertebra included in some cuts of beef)

6. The prion makes it's way to the brain of the unsuspecting victim and somehow replicates there and induces the formation of more prions from proteins in the victim's brain

7. The victim's brain becomes riddled with these abnormal proteins and microscopic holes which cause the poor soul to literally lose his mind and all meaningful higher function until he finally dies a horrible and demented death.

8. The disease only becomes apparent years after consuming infected tissue so that is would be nearly impossible to trace a specific victim to a specific lot of meat product.

With all this well known to our government (are you hearing this Mr. Bush, Sentators, Congressmen, and Ms. Veneman) how could they allow this infected cow's carcass to be used for human consumption!!!? What kind of diabolical influence does the beef industry have over the elected representatives of the American people that would permit their greed to outweigh the safety of the food supply?

People, this is just another example of how we no longer have a representative republic. The real power is in the hands of the corporations and other powerful interest groups who have purchased your representatives and their votes. remember this the next time your child puts a hamburger in his mouth. And remember it in the voting booth, if that still has any meaning at all. I fear all is lost. We have become the servants and our representatives have become our masters. Remember what Jefferson said about the right of the People to abolish government when that government has become tyrannical and corrupted against the People.'

[ December 24, 2003, 07:01 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

liL Ray
12-24-2003, 07:13 AM
I personally think this Mad Cow propaganda is a ploy by the U.S. beef institution/corporations/conglomerates (or whatever they are called)....they (the corporations) have driven up the price of beef to points never seen in history earlier in the year when they claim there was Mad Cow disease found in one, yes, one cow in Canada and shut off all import of Canadian beef, which accounts for a very high percent of US consumption. Now, right at the height of the holiday season, here we go again....eh, I guess the vegans are happy....

liL Ray
12-24-2003, 07:15 AM
question....

how many actual cases of Mad Cow Disease, or the mutated strain, have been found in humans?

Jacques de Doozu
12-24-2003, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by liL Ray:
question....

how many actual cases of Mad Cow Disease, or the mutated strain, have been found in humans? about 180 people died from kreuzfeld jacob in europe.

David Le C
12-24-2003, 07:24 AM
Just saw this on the news over here... It's indeed quite disturbing how your secretary of agriculture tries to shuffle this under the carpet... IMO you guys are thoroughly fucked, MCD is no joke.
She might be right that only the meat from this cow is used to make burgers, but one never knows what goes on in those slaughterhouses...
And then again, the spinal chord is always used for dog or cattle food, and that's the main way of transmitting the disease under cows.
What she also seems to forget is that in the US the cows are almost never tested on MCD, only when they appear to be ill. This is what they did here but they were so stupid to slaughter and sell the cow anyway without waiting for the results of the tests.
After the MCD plague in Europe a couple of years ago (about 140 people died) we learned our lesson; every animal above a certain age which goes to the slaughterhouse is tested.
And FYI, Kreutzfeld-Jacob disease is uncurable and leads to a certain death...
This is so typical; when there's nothing to worry about they want you to panic and start buying stuff, but when there's great danger they want to pretend nothing is going on because you might stop buying things...

liL Ray
12-24-2003, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by liL Ray:
I personally think this Mad Cow propaganda is a ploy by the U.S. beef institution/corporations/conglomerates (or whatever they are called)....they (the corporations) have driven up the price of beef to points never seen in history earlier in the year when they claim there was Mad Cow disease found in one, yes, one cow in Canada and shut off all import of Canadian beef, which accounts for a very high percent of US consumption. Now, right at the height of the holiday season, here we go again....eh, I guess the vegans are happy.... I could be wrong.... :(

educate please...

mdpm99
12-24-2003, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by liL Ray:
question....

how many actual cases of Mad Cow Disease, or the mutated strain, have been found in humans? Good morning liL Ray:

World wide ....I read about a 100 cases.

I wonder if this will also affect dairy products. I imagine it could.

The UK folks from the DHP board could advise as they went thru this already.

Well there is always the Buffalo! It is immune to MCD. It's All-Natural, No Additives, No Hormones or Stimulients. Low in Fat, Cholesterol, and Calories. Even McDonalds in France and England have been selling only Buffalo in place of Beef for the past few years. Eat Healthy. No gamy taste, just very tender and sweeter than Beef, ..it's what beef use to taste like 50+ years ago before all the additives.

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Ps. Good luck with your parties....and have a wonderful New Y-ear smile.gif

liL Ray
12-24-2003, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
question....

how many actual cases of Mad Cow Disease, or the mutated strain, have been found in humans? Good morning liL Ray:


Well there is always the Buffalo! It is immune to MCD. It's All-Natural, No Additives, No Hormones or Stimulients. Low in Fat, Cholesterol, and Calories. Even McDonalds in France and England have been selling only Buffalo in place of Beef for the past few years. Eat Healthy. No gamy taste, just very tender and sweeter than Beef, ..it's what beef use to taste like 50+ years ago before all the additives.

</font>[/QUOTE]good morning David....do we want to go back to the days of hunting the buffalo into extinction again?....oh boy :(

thanks for the well wishes on the parties...hope to see you out and about at some of these parties this holiday season....

David Le C
12-24-2003, 07:41 AM
I would consider this a serious threat to the public health Ray, you might wanna check how many countries already closed their borders to US meat by now...
That's standard procedure, when that shit broke out in Europe, the borders were more closely guarded than during any anti-drug campaign. This is serious shit, especially 'cause Kreutzfeld-Jacob only manifests itself in the human body after a considerable amount of time (5-10 years or so) and that makes it almost impossible to trace the source...

mdpm99
12-24-2003, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
question....

how many actual cases of Mad Cow Disease, or the mutated strain, have been found in humans? Good morning liL Ray:


Well there is always the Buffalo! It is immune to MCD. It's All-Natural, No Additives, No Hormones or Stimulients. Low in Fat, Cholesterol, and Calories. Even McDonalds in France and England have been selling only Buffalo in place of Beef for the past few years. Eat Healthy. No gamy taste, just very tender and sweeter than Beef, ..it's what beef use to taste like 50+ years ago before all the additives.

</font>[/QUOTE]good morning David....do we want to go back to the days of hunting the buffalo into extinction again?....oh boy :(

thanks for the well wishes on the parties...hope to see you out and about at some of these parties this holiday season.... </font>[/QUOTE]....It is either that or RUN BAMBI RUN! Actually
Buffalo is becoming more available these days. I
recently had some for the first time. The Indians gave them the proper respect.

I was on a Macrobiotic diet for two years once...but that didn't quite do it for me either.
Supposedly depends on your blood type...me being 0+ -- universal.....allows me to eat all foods.

On the road til' 4/04....catch u on the rebound

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liL Ray
12-24-2003, 07:58 AM
safe travels david.....

I'm off to the meat store now....so, I guess no Ray's famous Roast Beef for Christmas....

mdpm99
12-24-2003, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by liL Ray:
safe travels david.....

I'm off to the meat store now....so, I guess no Ray's famous Roast Beef for Christmas.... Take care

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Monny JcIntosh
12-24-2003, 08:10 AM
As far as I understand it, the infected cow was never destined for the food supply. That's not how that article reads.


Secondly and incredibly, we now learn that even when they knew this cow was diseased in some way, it's meat was allowed to enter the food supply!If this quote is correct, and I'm not sure it is, then that is utterly insane.

When BSE hit the UK, the then Agriculture Minister John Gummer fed his young daughter a hamburger on TV. It's a famous case of publicity stunt back firing, and Veneman's words sound quite familiar here. If the UK learnt anything from those terrible times it was that government openness and honesty is vital. I think we're very sceptical, in the UK, of government pronouncements on all things to do with food (GM crops etc.) as a result of BSE.