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ultra
10-17-2003, 09:03 AM
While fans of hip-hop's golden age patiently await word on the status of Rakim's aborted Aftermath album, Oh My God, they'll soon get a small fix. Eric B. and Rakim's 1987 release, Paid In Full, is being re-mastered and packaged into a double CD featuring exclusive remixes. The first disc will feature the original album while the second disc includes 10 UK and U.S remixes formerly released to celebrate the LP's 10th anniversary 6 years ago. Building on the 1997 Deluxe Edition, this set adds the original mix of "My Melody", an enhanced video for "Paid In Full" along with remixes of "As The Rhyme Goes on" and "Move The Crowd." Eric B. and Rakim's Paid In Full-Deluxe Edition hits stores October 28, 2003.
'Magic' Juan
10-17-2003, 09:35 AM
I didn't realize he was working on an album on Aftermath. Definitely would love to hear that...
Yes, I have been out of the loop, hip hop wise. All the stuff today is mostly garbage, IMO. I will smack the next person who comes up to me and says "right thurr." AR15firing.gif
magic_juan
[ October 17, 2003, 10:36 AM: Message edited by: Magic Juan ]
Hello Kitty
10-17-2003, 09:42 AM
That sounds great! He's always been one of my favorite old school hip hop artist.
Glad they're back!
;)
'Magic' Juan
10-17-2003, 09:49 AM
Is it "they're" back?? Wuzzup with Eric B? I doubt he will be involved in the new project.
magic_juan
Originally posted by Magic Juan:
All the stuff today is mostly garbage, IMO. I will smack the next person who comes up to me and says "right thurr." AR15firing.gif
magic_juan I agree. And that 'right thurr' sh*t. I should move on, but in the Golden Age of hip-hop, dude would've gotten DISSED for comin out with that crap...
ultra
10-17-2003, 09:57 AM
As I've said before, you guys are only hearing the commercial side of hip-hop nowadays. If you go underground, there is lots of quality stuff from new and old MCs!
Wasn't said remastered double CD of "Paid in Full" already released a couple of years ago via Polygram?
D J 1 3 8
10-17-2003, 09:59 AM
Eric B & Rakim have HATED each other since way way back. Most of their records were made with Eric B going in to the studio doing the beats, then Rakim coming in after he left to lay his verses. Strange but (supposedly) true.
His record with Dre is a dead issue from what I hear, so we may never hear whatever magic they were making.
'Magic' Juan
10-17-2003, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by ultra:
As I've said before, you guys are only hearing the commercial side of hip-hop nowadays. If you go underground, there is lots of quality stuff from new and old MCs! Teach me, my friend ...
magic_juan graemlins/cool_shades.gif
ultra
10-17-2003, 10:02 AM
Every so often I post lists of new hip-hop joints out...search for my posts with subject: "New hip-hop joints" for the last one.
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Originally posted by Magic Juan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ultra:
As I've said before, you guys are only hearing the commercial side of hip-hop nowadays. If you go underground, there is lots of quality stuff from new and old MCs! Teach me, my friend ...
magic_juan graemlins/cool_shades.gif </font>[/QUOTE]
[ October 17, 2003, 11:03 AM: Message edited by: ultra ]
Originally posted by DJ 138:
Most of their records were made with Eric B going in to the studio doing the beats, then Rakim coming in after he left to lay his verses. Strange but (supposedly) true.
His record with Dre is a dead issue from what I hear, so we may never hear whatever magic they were making. I heard something about Eric B taking credit for beats that Large Professor did. Anyone else hear anything like that?
Originally posted by Derrick:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
Most of their records were made with Eric B going in to the studio doing the beats, then Rakim coming in after he left to lay his verses. Strange but (supposedly) true.
His record with Dre is a dead issue from what I hear, so we may never hear whatever magic they were making. I heard something about Eric B taking credit for beats that Large Professor did. Anyone else hear anything like that? </font>[/QUOTE]Extra P did the beats for the entire "Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em" album. Same thing happened with G. Rap's "Wanted Dead or Alive" album, which Large Pro produced, but the credit went to Eric B. again. There was a pretty lengthy article in "The Source" at the time about this whole thing.
If you really need proof on this then listen to either "Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em" or "Wanted Dead or Alive", and then listen to Main Source's "Breaking Atoms". It's pretty obvious that the same person produced all 3 albums.
45 King also produced "Microphone Fiend" but got no credit. Someone on this board posted up an interview of Rakim a while back, and he explained how he did alot of production himself and got no credit for it ("Follow the Leader" being one of the songs).
D J 1 3 8
10-17-2003, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by IIBS:
listen to Main Source's "Breaking Atoms".I just came across this record last weekend while going through some crates at the crib. I listened to the entire thing and it's still a REALLY great record. "Friendly Game of Baseball" is my shit. Not to mention "Live At The BBQ" and "Lookin' At The Front Door". Definitely a classic not to be slept on.
Originally posted by DJ 138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
listen to Main Source's "Breaking Atoms".I just came across this record last weekend while going through some crates at the crib. I listened to the entire thing and it's still a REALLY great record. "Friendly Game of Baseball" is my shit. Not to mention "Live At The BBQ" and "Lookin' At The Front Door". Definitely a classic not to be slept on. </font>[/QUOTE]Definitely one of my top 10 of all time.
ultra
10-17-2003, 10:26 AM
True.
Originally posted by DJ 138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
listen to Main Source's "Breaking Atoms".I just came across this record last weekend while going through some crates at the crib. I listened to the entire thing and it's still a REALLY great record. "Friendly Game of Baseball" is my shit. Not to mention "Live At The BBQ" and "Lookin' At The Front Door". Definitely a classic not to be slept on. </font>[/QUOTE]
Brenda
10-17-2003, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by ultra:
Every so often I post lists of new hip-hop joints out...search for my posts with subject: "New hip-hop joints" for the last one.
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</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Magic Juan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ultra:
As I've said before, you guys are only hearing the commercial side of hip-hop nowadays. If you go underground, there is lots of quality stuff from new and old MCs! Teach me, my friend ...
magic_juan graemlins/cool_shades.gif </font>[/QUOTE]</font>[/QUOTE]There are many many UNDERGROUND HIP HOP educated peeps that read this board....
The ill thing about the Rakim project on Aftermath was Dre...he tells Ra to do his thing...when it's just about done, he wants Ra to redo the tracks for commercial appeal. I can't believe he actually thought Ra would go the commercial route. That would mean watering down lyrics...Rakim is respected as a lyrical don...to ask him to water his shit down is blatant disrespect...I expected more from Dre.
Another sad thing about the Aftermath project is that THE DJ PREMIER joints got dropped!
Originally posted by IIBS:
Another sad thing about the Aftermath project is that THE DJ PREMIER joints got dropped! i didn't know that...Dre is a clown...
D J 1 3 8
10-17-2003, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by Derrick:
The ill thing about the Rakim project on Aftermath was Dre...he tells Ra to do his thing...when it's just about done, he wants Ra to redo the tracks for commercial appeal. I can't believe he actually thought Ra would go the commercial route. That would mean watering down lyrics...Rakim is respected as a lyrical don...to ask him to water his shit down is blatant disrespect...I expected more from Dre. Rakim, with all due respect, has made PLENTY of commecial appeal joints. His own shit as well as countless remixes he's been on. That "Addicted" song comes to mind.
I still think he's the greatest MC ever.
ultra
10-17-2003, 01:40 PM
The new Alicia Keys joint features Rakim and Nas.
Originally posted by DJ 138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Derrick:
The ill thing about the Rakim project on Aftermath was Dre...he tells Ra to do his thing...when it's just about done, he wants Ra to redo the tracks for commercial appeal. I can't believe he actually thought Ra would go the commercial route. That would mean watering down lyrics...Rakim is respected as a lyrical don...to ask him to water his shit down is blatant disrespect...I expected more from Dre. Rakim, with all due respect, has made PLENTY of commecial appeal joints. His own shit as well as countless remixes he's been on. That "Addicted" song comes to mind.
I still think he's the greatest MC ever. </font>[/QUOTE]Jody Watley's "Friends" is also another one that comes to mind.
The greatest? 2 words. "No Omega". Nuff said.
ultra
10-21-2003, 07:33 AM
Related story:
Eric B & Rakim - Never Paid in Full???
Eric B. & Rakim's groundbreaking album, Paid In Full is being re-released as a double CD set, featuring the original album remastered and a collection of remixes.
But Eric "Eric B." Barrier is not pleased with Island re-releasing the album, alleging that the label has never paid the duo for the legendary album and is filing a lawsuit against Island Def Jam Music Group, Lyor Cohen and Russell Simmons.
"We have never received a dime from Paid In Full, not one dime, despite it selling so well throughout the years," Barrier told AllHipHop.com. "We were managed by Rush Management at the time of the album being released. Lyor managed the day to day operations. I recently talked to Russell and Lyor about it. Their lawyers said it was too old for us to fight and that they could beat us in court."
Barrier said that before he considered legal action against Cohen, Simmons and the Island Def Jam Music Group, he attempted to settle the dispute out of court.
"I approached them to settle this dispute 9 months ago," Barrier said. "They have been exploiting these masters for years. It's just another way to f*ck someone. I'm going to sue everyone. They expect me to go up to the offices on the ole n*gga sh*t and go up against his head, but we aint into that. We are going to file the lawsuit against them and Island."
Barrier said the issues started when they were being managed by Simmons' Rush Management. The group was signed to a small label, Zakiya Records.
Barrier said the Paid In Full album was completed in a short period of time and ended up being released by 4th & Broadway, a division of Island Records in 1987.
"Our contracts were never signed to Island," Eric B. said. "Island tried to give us $475,000 to be locked in, but Universal came with a million. They went to court and ruled against Island and said they had no rights. That's how we got out of being signed to 4th and Broadway and the masters were supposed to be returned to us. That means they were supposed to stop selling the record."
Eric B. said that the seminal record has been a constant seller though the years in the United States and abroad, not to mention compilations the music from the album has been featured on and the movies that it has appeared in.
"These masters have been exploited so bad," Eric B. continued. "Lyor charged Damon Dash $5,000 for the masters. Now this is the lead title track to the movie...the lead track usually get at least $200,000 without even blinking. If your saying you have a right to license these masters on behalf of Eric B. & Rakim and your only going to license it for that amount, your not doing a good job."
Barrier said that his decision to sue was strictly business and that he harbored no animosity towards Simmons or Cohen, who are both Chairman of the Island Def Jam Music Group.
"This is business and not personal, but Russell can fight for Luda and get $4 million from Pepsi. He's the Chairman of the Island Def Jam Music Group. Eric B. calls about getting a settlement and that's not important. How can you sit there and fight Pepsi for Luda but you can't settle this thing for Eric B. and Rakim for one of the most important albums in history? I told Russell I never received a dime. He said to me, 'Oh my god Eric, I can't believe it.' Russell said out of his own mouth, 'they must owe you 60-70 million dollars.' OK, so why can't we settle this with Lyor before it becomes a big thing?"
Barrier said that he was in the process of hiring top litigators to help with his case.
"All the press is going to make them look bad. We are going to sue everybody. I am suing Island and I am going to sue Lyor personally. I told them I didn't want it to come to this, but they owe us. They are getting free money year after year after year off our work."
Cohen, Simmons or representatives for Island/Def Jam did not comment as of press time.
courtesy of allhiphop.com
[ October 21, 2003, 08:34 AM: Message edited by: ultra ]
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