"God told me to do it" - a must read!!

[mdpm99]

GEORGE BUSH THE PROPHET

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Here are Bush's exact words, quoted by Haaretz:

"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." graemlins/stupid.gif


Complete article:


Global Eye-Errand Boy

--by Chris Floyd

So now we know. After all the mountains of commentary and speculation, all the earnest debates over motives and goals, all the detailed analyses of global strategy and political ideology, it all comes to down to this: George W. Bush waged war on Iraq because, in his own words, God "instructed me to strike at Saddam."

This gospel was revealed, appropriately enough, in the Holy Land this week, through an unusual partnership between the fractious children of Abraham. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz was given transcripts of a negotiating session between Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas and faction leaders from Hamas and other militant groups. Abbas, who was trying to persuade the groups to call a cease-fire in their uprising against Israeli forces, described for them his recent summit with Ariel Sharon and Bush.

During the tense talks at the summit, Bush sought to underscore the kind of authority he could bring to efforts at achieving peace in the Middle East. While thundering that there could be "no deals with terror groups," Bush sought to assure the rattled Palestinians that he also had the ability to wring concessions from Sharon. And what was the source of this wonder-working power? It was not, as you might think, the ungodly size of the U.S. military or the gargantuan amount of money and arms the United States pours into Israel year after year.

No, Bush said he derived his moral heft from the Almighty Himself. What's more, the Lord had proven his devotion to the Crawford Crusader by crowning his military efforts with success. In fact, he told Abbas, God was holding the door open for Middle East peace right now -- but they would have to move fast, because soon the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe would have to give His attention to something far more important: the election of His little sunbeam, Georgie, in 2004.

Here are Bush's exact words, quoted by Haaretz: "God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

You can't put it plainer than that. The whole chaotic rigmarole of Security Council votes and UN inspections and congressional approval and Colin Powell's whizbang Powerpoint displays of "proof" and Bush's own tearful prayers for "peace" -- it was all a sham, a meaningless exercise.

No votes, no inspections, no proof or lack of proof -- in fact, no earthly reason whatsoever -- could have stopped Bush's aggressive war on Iraq. It was God's unalterable will: the Lord of Hosts gave a direct order for George W. Bush to "strike at Saddam."

And strike he did, with an awesome fury that rained death and destruction on the mustachioed whore of Babylon, with a firestorm of Godly wrath that consumed the enemy armies like so much chaff put to the flame -- and with an arsenal of cruise missiles, cluster bombs, dive bombers and assault helicopters that killed up to 10,000 innocent civilians: blasted to pieces in their beds, shot down in their fields and streets, crushed beneath the walls of their own houses, boiled alive in factories, ditches and cars, gutted, mutilated, beheaded, murdered, women, children, elders, some praying, some wailing, some cursing, some mute with fear as metal death ripped their lives away and left rotting hulks behind. This was the work of the Lord and His faithful servant, whom He hath raised high up to have dominion over men.

And this is the mindset -- or rather, the primitive fever-dream -- that is now directing the actions of the greatest military power in the history of the world. There can be no doubt that Bush believes literally in the divine character of his mission. He honestly and sincerely believes that whatever "decision" forms in his brain -- out of the flux and flow of his own emotional impulses and biochemical reactions, the flattery and cajolements of his sinister advisers, the random scraps of fact, myth and fabrication that dribble into his proudly undeveloped and incurious consciousness -- has been planted there, whole and perfected, by God Almighty.

And that's why Bush acts with such serenity and ruthlessness. Nothing he does can be challenged on moral grounds, however unethical or evil it might appear, because all of his actions are directed by God. He can twist the truth, oppress the poor, exalt the rich, despoil the Earth, ignore the law -- and murder children -- without the slightest compunction, the briefest moment of doubt or self-reflection, because he believes, he truly believes, that God squats in his brainpan and tells him what to do.

And just as God countenanced deception on the part of Abraham, just as God forgave David for the murders he ordered, just as God blessed the armies of Saul as they obliterated the Amalekites, man, woman and child, so will He overlook any crime committed by Bush and his minions as they carry out His will. That's why Bush can always "do whatever it takes" to achieve his goals. And by his own words to Abbas, we see that he places his election in 2004 above all other concerns, even the endless bloodshed in the Middle East.

So what new crimes will the Lord have to countenance to keep His appointed servant in power?

************

Greetings Folks:

:eek:


Gee this just came to mind. Last person I heard use " God told me to do it" was the Son of Sam killer in New York.

So now we have a crazy Son of Uncle Sam for president. Let's not carry this too far, if Bush is declared mentally incompetent we get Cheney which is worse?

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d

Ps.

"I shall not seek, and will not accept, the nomination for another term as your president."

- Lyndon Baines Johnson, March, 1968

America hopes to soon hear similar words from George W. Bush. Our kids are dying daily in Iraq, Mr. Bu$h. Your Secretary of Defense terms the deaths "acceptable." America does not agree.

d

PPs.

If you want to make God laugh, ......tell him your future plans! smile.gif

[ June 28, 2003, 07:33 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[nev m]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
GEORGE BUSH THE PROPHET

graemlins/jpshakehead.gif


Here are Bush's exact words, quoted by Haaretz:

"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." graemlins/stupid.gif


Complete article:


Global Eye-Errand Boy

--by Chris Floyd

So now we know. After all the mountains of commentary and speculation, all the earnest debates over motives and goals, all the detailed analyses of global strategy and political ideology, it all comes to down to this: George W. Bush waged war on Iraq because, in his own words, God "instructed me to strike at Saddam."

This gospel was revealed, appropriately enough, in the Holy Land this week, through an unusual partnership between the fractious children of Abraham. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz was given transcripts of a negotiating session between Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas and faction leaders from Hamas and other militant groups. Abbas, who was trying to persuade the groups to call a cease-fire in their uprising against Israeli forces, described for them his recent summit with Ariel Sharon and Bush.

During the tense talks at the summit, Bush sought to underscore the kind of authority he could bring to efforts at achieving peace in the Middle East. While thundering that there could be "no deals with terror groups," Bush sought to assure the rattled Palestinians that he also had the ability to wring concessions from Sharon. And what was the source of this wonder-working power? It was not, as you might think, the ungodly size of the U.S. military or the gargantuan amount of money and arms the United States pours into Israel year after year.

No, Bush said he derived his moral heft from the Almighty Himself. What's more, the Lord had proven his devotion to the Crawford Crusader by crowning his military efforts with success. In fact, he told Abbas, God was holding the door open for Middle East peace right now -- but they would have to move fast, because soon the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe would have to give His attention to something far more important: the election of His little sunbeam, Georgie, in 2004.

Here are Bush's exact words, quoted by Haaretz: "God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

You can't put it plainer than that. The whole chaotic rigmarole of Security Council votes and UN inspections and congressional approval and Colin Powell's whizbang Powerpoint displays of "proof" and Bush's own tearful prayers for "peace" -- it was all a sham, a meaningless exercise.

No votes, no inspections, no proof or lack of proof -- in fact, no earthly reason whatsoever -- could have stopped Bush's aggressive war on Iraq. It was God's unalterable will: the Lord of Hosts gave a direct order for George W. Bush to "strike at Saddam."

And strike he did, with an awesome fury that rained death and destruction on the mustachioed whore of Babylon, with a firestorm of Godly wrath that consumed the enemy armies like so much chaff put to the flame -- and with an arsenal of cruise missiles, cluster bombs, dive bombers and assault helicopters that killed up to 10,000 innocent civilians: blasted to pieces in their beds, shot down in their fields and streets, crushed beneath the walls of their own houses, boiled alive in factories, ditches and cars, gutted, mutilated, beheaded, murdered, women, children, elders, some praying, some wailing, some cursing, some mute with fear as metal death ripped their lives away and left rotting hulks behind. This was the work of the Lord and His faithful servant, whom He hath raised high up to have dominion over men.

And this is the mindset -- or rather, the primitive fever-dream -- that is now directing the actions of the greatest military power in the history of the world. There can be no doubt that Bush believes literally in the divine character of his mission. He honestly and sincerely believes that whatever "decision" forms in his brain -- out of the flux and flow of his own emotional impulses and biochemical reactions, the flattery and cajolements of his sinister advisers, the random scraps of fact, myth and fabrication that dribble into his proudly undeveloped and incurious consciousness -- has been planted there, whole and perfected, by God Almighty.

And that's why Bush acts with such serenity and ruthlessness. Nothing he does can be challenged on moral grounds, however unethical or evil it might appear, because all of his actions are directed by God. He can twist the truth, oppress the poor, exalt the rich, despoil the Earth, ignore the law -- and murder children -- without the slightest compunction, the briefest moment of doubt or self-reflection, because he believes, he truly believes, that God squats in his brainpan and tells him what to do.

And just as God countenanced deception on the part of Abraham, just as God forgave David for the murders he ordered, just as God blessed the armies of Saul as they obliterated the Amalekites, man, woman and child, so will He overlook any crime committed by Bush and his minions as they carry out His will. That's why Bush can always "do whatever it takes" to achieve his goals. And by his own words to Abbas, we see that he places his election in 2004 above all other concerns, even the endless bloodshed in the Middle East.

So what new crimes will the Lord have to countenance to keep His appointed servant in power?

************

Greetings Folks:

:eek:


Gee this just came to mind. Last person I heard use " God told me to do it" was the Son of Sam killer in New York.

So now we have a crazy Son of Uncle Sam for president. Let's not carry this too far, if Bush is declared mentally incompetent we get Cheney which is worse?

graemlins/scared.gif

d

Ps.

"I shall not seek, and will not accept, the nomination for another term as your president."

- Lyndon Baines Johnson, March, 1968

America hopes to soon hear similar words from George W. Bush. Our kids are dying daily in Iraq, Mr. Bu$h. Your Secretary of Defense terms the deaths "acceptable." America does not agree.

d

PPs.

If you want to make God laugh, ......tell him your future plans! smile.gif Do you think God might tell someone to shoot him?


Did I just say that aaaaah?!

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[mdpm99]

Greetings to you, nev m:


Umnnn.....I 'm still in shock and awe about this miracle.

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[mdpm99]

Let's see how faux news reports this....

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[blackwax]

I am speachless

[jsd540]

I am building a saint dubya shrine, in my toilet.

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[mdpm99]

Originally posted by blackwax:
I am speachless Greetings to you blackwax:

I wonder who will have more virgins waiting for them when they arrive in "heaven?" Bin Laden or Bush. They are both fanatics.

Umnnnnn.....

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d

[jimmymack-2000]

But wait a minute, David...Ha'aretz is a JEWISH newspaper! From the "About Ha'aretz" page at www.haaretz.com: (http://www.haaretz.com:)

"Haaretz is an independent daily newspaper with a broadly liberal outlook both on domestic issues and on international affairs...Haaretz was founded in Jerusalem in 1919 by a group of Zionist immigrants, mainly from Russia."

Do you mean to tell me that not all Jews are bent on taking over the world? What about this Zionist world conspiracy that EVERYONE KNOWS exists?

Does not compute
Does not compute
Does not compute

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by jsd540:
I am building a saint dubya shrine, in my toilet.

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[Dj Pat]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
GEORGE BUSH THE PROPHET

graemlins/jpshakehead.gif


Here are Bush's exact words, quoted by Haaretz:

"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." graemlins/stupid.gif


Complete article:


Global Eye-Errand Boy

--by Chris Floyd

So now we know. After all the mountains of commentary and speculation, all the earnest debates over motives and goals, all the detailed analyses of global strategy and political ideology, it all comes to down to this: George W. Bush waged war on Iraq because, in his own words, God "instructed me to strike at Saddam."

This gospel was revealed, appropriately enough, in the Holy Land this week, through an unusual partnership between the fractious children of Abraham. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz was given transcripts of a negotiating session between Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas and faction leaders from Hamas and other militant groups. Abbas, who was trying to persuade the groups to call a cease-fire in their uprising against Israeli forces, described for them his recent summit with Ariel Sharon and Bush.

During the tense talks at the summit, Bush sought to underscore the kind of authority he could bring to efforts at achieving peace in the Middle East. While thundering that there could be "no deals with terror groups," Bush sought to assure the rattled Palestinians that he also had the ability to wring concessions from Sharon. And what was the source of this wonder-working power? It was not, as you might think, the ungodly size of the U.S. military or the gargantuan amount of money and arms the United States pours into Israel year after year.

No, Bush said he derived his moral heft from the Almighty Himself. What's more, the Lord had proven his devotion to the Crawford Crusader by crowning his military efforts with success. In fact, he told Abbas, God was holding the door open for Middle East peace right now -- but they would have to move fast, because soon the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe would have to give His attention to something far more important: the election of His little sunbeam, Georgie, in 2004.

Here are Bush's exact words, quoted by Haaretz: "God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

You can't put it plainer than that. The whole chaotic rigmarole of Security Council votes and UN inspections and congressional approval and Colin Powell's whizbang Powerpoint displays of "proof" and Bush's own tearful prayers for "peace" -- it was all a sham, a meaningless exercise.

No votes, no inspections, no proof or lack of proof -- in fact, no earthly reason whatsoever -- could have stopped Bush's aggressive war on Iraq. It was God's unalterable will: the Lord of Hosts gave a direct order for George W. Bush to "strike at Saddam."

And strike he did, with an awesome fury that rained death and destruction on the mustachioed whore of Babylon, with a firestorm of Godly wrath that consumed the enemy armies like so much chaff put to the flame -- and with an arsenal of cruise missiles, cluster bombs, dive bombers and assault helicopters that killed up to 10,000 innocent civilians: blasted to pieces in their beds, shot down in their fields and streets, crushed beneath the walls of their own houses, boiled alive in factories, ditches and cars, gutted, mutilated, beheaded, murdered, women, children, elders, some praying, some wailing, some cursing, some mute with fear as metal death ripped their lives away and left rotting hulks behind. This was the work of the Lord and His faithful servant, whom He hath raised high up to have dominion over men.

And this is the mindset -- or rather, the primitive fever-dream -- that is now directing the actions of the greatest military power in the history of the world. There can be no doubt that Bush believes literally in the divine character of his mission. He honestly and sincerely believes that whatever "decision" forms in his brain -- out of the flux and flow of his own emotional impulses and biochemical reactions, the flattery and cajolements of his sinister advisers, the random scraps of fact, myth and fabrication that dribble into his proudly undeveloped and incurious consciousness -- has been planted there, whole and perfected, by God Almighty.

And that's why Bush acts with such serenity and ruthlessness. Nothing he does can be challenged on moral grounds, however unethical or evil it might appear, because all of his actions are directed by God. He can twist the truth, oppress the poor, exalt the rich, despoil the Earth, ignore the law -- and murder children -- without the slightest compunction, the briefest moment of doubt or self-reflection, because he believes, he truly believes, that God squats in his brainpan and tells him what to do.

And just as God countenanced deception on the part of Abraham, just as God forgave David for the murders he ordered, just as God blessed the armies of Saul as they obliterated the Amalekites, man, woman and child, so will He overlook any crime committed by Bush and his minions as they carry out His will. That's why Bush can always "do whatever it takes" to achieve his goals. And by his own words to Abbas, we see that he places his election in 2004 above all other concerns, even the endless bloodshed in the Middle East.

So what new crimes will the Lord have to countenance to keep His appointed servant in power?

************

Greetings Folks:

:eek:


Gee this just came to mind. Last person I heard use " God told me to do it" was the Son of Sam killer in New York.

So now we have a crazy Son of Uncle Sam for president. Let's not carry this too far, if Bush is declared mentally incompetent we get Cheney which is worse?

graemlins/scared.gif

d

Ps.

"I shall not seek, and will not accept, the nomination for another term as your president."

- Lyndon Baines Johnson, March, 1968

America hopes to soon hear similar words from George W. Bush. Our kids are dying daily in Iraq, Mr. Bu$h. Your Secretary of Defense terms the deaths "acceptable." America does not agree.

d

PPs.

If you want to make God laugh, ......tell him your future plans! smile.gif God told me last night that our president is a sick man that need's help.
Sound's more like the anti christ to me, this guy is a nut.
God told me to tell 2 freind's to vote his ass out of office, and they tell 2 freinds and so-on, and so on, and so on! graemlins/stupid.gif

[The Buddy Love Show]

David...see the May edition of the American Prospect magazine...he is a reformed religious loon of the worst kind

[mdpm99]

Each one reach one.....

Have a great day Blue!

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[mdpm99]

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
David...see the May edition of the American Prospect magazine...he is a reformed religious loon of the worst kind Thank you!

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d

[mdpm99]

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[imported_Kohtake]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by blackwax:
I am speachless I wonder who will have more virgins waiting for them when they arrive in "heaven?" Bin Laden or Bush. They are both fanatics.

Umnnnnn.....

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d </font>[/QUOTE]Hell awaits them more like it mad1.gif

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Kohtake:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by blackwax:
I am speachless I wonder who will have more virgins waiting for them when they arrive in "heaven?" Bin Laden or Bush. They are both fanatics.

Umnnnnn.....

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d </font>[/QUOTE]Hell awaits them more like it mad1.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I agree....a hell with no doors.

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Good to hear from you Kohtake

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[FK]

Hey David,

Here (http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2003/06/27/120-print.html) is where the article you quoted appeared.

But actually, the original quote came from this piece (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y) in the online edition of Ha'aretz, as attributed to Palestinian PM Abbas.

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Abbas said that at Aqaba, Bush promised to speak with Sharon about the siege on Arafat. He said nobody can speak to or pressure Sharon except the Americans.

According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
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Is there any way to fact-check this and see if it is for real?

Just curious. graemlins/stupid.gif

FK

[ June 30, 2003, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: FK ]

[mdpm99]

Greetings FK:

Well, between the two of us there are now 2 sources. I would be interested if the European press is picking it up also.

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d



Originally posted by FK:
Hey David,

Here (http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2003/06/27/120-print.html) is where the article you quoted appeared.

But actually, the original quote came from this piece (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y) in the online edition of Ha'aretz, as attributed to Palestinian PM Abbas.

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Abbas said that at Aqaba, Bush promised to speak with Sharon about the siege on Arafat. He said nobody can speak to or pressure Sharon except the Americans.

According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Is there any way to fact-check this and see if it is for real?

Just curious. graemlins/stupid.gif

FK

[ June 30, 2003, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[Koffy Brown]

wow...

what's troubling, sad, ubelievable is that the president has full capability of making such an idiotic statement...the fact that he represents america is very troubling....BUT I think Jimmymack and FK made very good points...we must consider the source...although I still don't put much past ole dubya...

[javasoul]

Wow :rolleyes:

To take this further, I think that weather those were Bush's actual words or not (weather they got twisted in the journalism world etc or not) does not matter anymore. Bush has ACTED much more foolishly in the recent past than these simple dumb words. I think what is really important here is to actually start the process of MAKING SURE that he doesnt get the required amount of votes to stay in office for his second term. This is not an easy task by any means. You have to think about the fact that the general voting population of the U.S.A isnt up to date with Bush's periodic wrongdoings...these facts, or rather faux-pas's need to brought up to the general public very soon and continueously for the next several months or year for that matter so that we dont get stuck with this unfortunate situation again for another 4 years.... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Hello David and thank you for posting such infos/stories continueously.
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Amir

[mdpm99]

re-post:

A child wants to know about foreign policy...........


Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?

A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction.

Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.

A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?

A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, did we?

A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?

A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went
to war with them?

A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.

Q: That doesn't make sense. Why would they choose to die if they had all those big weapons with which they could have fought back?

A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did.

A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?

A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another
country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his country?

A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?

A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American corporate gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?

A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?

A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government. People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and
tortured.

Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?

A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?

A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China is Communist.

Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?

A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?

A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the
government in Cuba are sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?

A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?

A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other hand, is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?

A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business
with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become capitalists?

A: Don't be a smart-ass.

Q: I didn't think I was being one.

A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?

A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a
legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What's a military coup?

A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United
States.

Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?

A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?

A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.

Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an
illegitimate leader?

A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?

A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?

A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men - fifteen of them Saudi Arabians - hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into
buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?

A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive rule of the Taliban.

Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off people's heads and hands?

A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars back in May of 2001?

A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?

A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?

A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands
off for other reasons?

A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off
people's hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?

A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they
were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply.

Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?

A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What's the difference?

A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her
eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.

A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were from Saudi Arabia.

A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?

A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?

A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.

A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about?

A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We
call them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets - I mean, the Russians - are now our friends?

A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our
invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?

A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what we want them to do?

A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?

A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?

A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?

A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?

A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend?

A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an enemy?

A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the
better.

Q: Why?

A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war is a godless unAmerican Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?

A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?

A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do.

Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?

A. Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Q: Good night, Daddy.

[MYOR]

God never speaks to me.. graemlins/mecry.gif

Maybe I should try to contact Bush, so he can ask him whats up...

[bitonti]

David -

politically i agree with you wholeheartedly

however i have searched "ha-aretz.com" and found the exact quote:


According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush
said: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I
struck them, and then he instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am
determined to solve the problem in the Middle
East. If you help me I will act, and if not,
the elections will come and I will have to
focus on them." this is a quote from Abbas in a Jewish paper - im sorry but i can't believe that the president said those things.

Like i said i am in full agreement with you politically and i hope every day that in 2005 we are inaugurating Prez Kerry or Mosley Braun or Kukinch or whoever really -

but i simply refuse to believe that Bush said those things - even if he did - the only sourse is Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas, by way of an Israeli newspaper?

too many mouths are retelling that quote and that undermines its legitimacy -

like i said i enjoy very much to come to this site and view your threads, you have many many positive and enlightening contributions that enrich my life and the lives of those around this forum

however if i used that quote in my daily debate with the neo-cons they would rip me to shreds - and with good reason.

truth be told i wish Bush said that but most likely he did not


peace, bitonti

[ June 30, 2003, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: bitonti ]

[mdpm99]

http://www.iht.com/

Haaretz-English Edition is published in Israel together with the International Herald Tribune.

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Ps..

In the meantime, relax and have a drink:

half ounce Bacardi Vanilla Rum
half ounce Bacardi 151 Rum
one and a half ounces Bacardi Light Rum
four ounces lemonade
four ounces orange juice
fourth ounce Trader Vic's Passion Fruit syrup
one sugar cube

Fill a large glass with ice and combine the ingredients. Set sugar cube on a spoon and pour a little 151 on it. Set the cube afire and drop it into the drink.

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[ June 30, 2003, 08:34 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[imported_Kohtake]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Kohtake:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by blackwax:
I am speachless I wonder who will have more virgins waiting for them when they arrive in "heaven?" Bin Laden or Bush. They are both fanatics.

Umnnnnn.....

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Good to hear from you Kohtake

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[mdpm99]

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check your pm.

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Smart is when you only believe half of what you hear.

Brilliant is when you know which half.

[Ronnie Ron]

Did Bush Say God Told Him To Go To War?
by Ira Chernus

Did God tell George W. Bush to strike at Al-Qaeda and Iraq? God only knows. Did Bush SAY that God told him to strike? We don't know yet, for sure. But we damn well better find out. Because if George W. said it, he-and all of us-could be in for some big trouble.

Here is what we know for sure, so far. Journalist Arnon Regular wrote, in the June 26 edition of Ha'aretz (Israel's most reputable newspaper), that he has minutes of a meeting among top-level Palestinian leaders, including Prime Minister Mahmoud Abas. The minutes are apparently quite detailed, because Regular wrote a long article recounting very specific conversations. The last paragraph of the article reads:

"According to Abbas, Bush said: 'God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.'"

Before you jump to any conclusions, remember that you are reading a translation of a translation of a translation. Mahmoud Abas does not speak English. Bush does not speak Arabic. If Bush said these words, or something like them, Abas heard them from a translator. Then Abas repeated them, as he remembered them a couple of weeks later, in Arabic. Some unknown person wrote down what he thought he heard Abas say. Then Regular, or someone at Ha'aretz, translated them back into English-or perhaps first into Hebrew and then into English.

Clearly, we don't yet know what Bush said, or why. Just as clearly, the man has some explaining to do. And whatever the truth of the matter, he has serious problems.

First, let's give him some benefit of the doubt. Maybe he never said it. The quote could be fabricated-though it is hard to see who would gain by making it up. Maybe he did say God told him to make war, but he doesn't really believe it. He might have made it up for effect, trying to score some political points in the Middle East.

Whatever benefit he got should be far outweighed by the price he has to pay here at home. This is no little incident that can slip away and be forgotten. Once Bush is called to account, his problems will really begin.

If he confirms the Ha'aretz report, those of us who say God has no place in the Oval Office had better ring the alarm, as loud and long as we can. If he truly believes that he hears the voice of God, there is no telling what God might say tomorrow. This is a man who can launch the world's biggest arsenal of weapons of mass destruction-biological, chemical, and nuclear-at any moment.

We should certainly make it a big issue in next year's election. If the quote is accurate, Bush cares more about getting re-elected than bringing peace to the Middle East. If he admits he lets God design our foreign policy, that might make it easier for us to deny him what he wants most.

But not necessarily. Bush got to be president only because a lot of people think he is an upright, devout, spiritual man. In the 2000 election, the crucial swing voters were those who agreed with Al Gore on the issues, but voted for Bush anyway. They wanted a leader with absolute moral standards, not the "feel good" immorality that Bill Clinton represented to them. They assumed that moral standards come from religious belief. They voted for the man they thought would be more Godly. If we do indeed have a president who lets God tell him to go to war, these voters must share a big chunk of the responsibility.

They also pose a big problem for Bush. Suppose he denies that the quote is accurate, or admits he said it but claims it was a mistake? Can he apologize for letting God's will determine his most important decisions. How will that go down with his political base, the Christian right? They want him to proudly confirm the controversial remark. Of course he should consult God, they will say, before he decides to go to war. Of course he should be guided by the will of the Lord. Can Bush afford, politically, to distance himself from God? Even his political genius, Karl Rove, might lose sleep figuring out that one.

This incident can do more than befuddle the Bush administration and slow down its war machine. It can also make some of his religiously-minded supporters stop and think. When they voted for him because he was more Godly, did they realize what they were getting? Did they understand where the connection of religion and politics can lead? If Bush admits the quote is accurate, now they know where it can lead. Some will not be surprised or upset. But some will-perhaps enough to make a difference in our nation's political life.

It is up to us to help those folks think through the issue. If we view our religiously-minded, pro-Bush fellow-citizens as enemies to be defeated, they will only stiffen their backs and rally round the president. But if we view them as our partners in a shared political life, people we have to talk with constructively, they might just listen. They might just understand that it is not only dangerous to let God tell the president when and where to strike. It is just plain un-American.

When the president lets God tell him what to do, it violates the spirit of democracy. In a democracy, it is the people, not God, who make the decisions. The president is supposed to represent the will of the people. Yes, he must seek the best advice he can get and use his own best judgment. That means relying on facts, intelligent analysis, and rational thought-not divine inspiration. Once the president lets God's voice replace the human mind, we are back in the Middle Ages, back in the very situation our revolution was supposed to get us out of.

If Bush lets God make foreign policy decisions, is he violating not just the spirit but the letter of the law? The Constitution gives him the right to make foreign policy. It does not say what should or should not go through his mind in the process. It certainly does not forbid him from consulting God. But it does protect us from having any religious belief determine our laws and policies. Did Bush violate the First Amendment's separation of church and state? The answer is not totally clear.

It is crystal clear, though, that another part of the Constitution has been violated. It is absolutely unconstitutional for the president to let God tell him to take the country to war-not because the president is forbidden to consult God, but because the president is forbidden to take the country to war. Only Congress can declare war.

If Bush's conversations with God led to war, it is Congress that bears the greatest blame. Congress gave Bush a blank check. Bush never asked for a declaration of war against Al-Qaeda or Iraq. Congress ducked its responsibility, rolled over eagerly, and gave away its Constitutional duty to make those decisions.

So let's demand that Bush tell us what he said to Mahmoud Abas. If he really did say that God tells him when and where to strike, let's spread our outrage around. Let's hold Congress as well as the president responsible for dereliction of their democratic duty. At the same time, let's face the fact that many of our fellow citizens won't be outraged, and learn how to persuade them they should be.

And while we focus, quite rightly, on Bush and God, let's not forget to ask the president another question: Do you really plan to forget about Middle East peace next year, because you will be too busy trying to get re-elected. Is that the kind of president we want?

Ira Chernus is Professor of Religious Studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder. He can be contacted at chernus@colorado.edu

[mdpm99]

Thank you Ronnie-Ron for taking the time to post the above article.

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Ps.

Several news agencies tried to reach the "white house for comment" regarding this statement...and got nowhere.

[Ronnie Ron]

Your welcome David.

R-R

[mdpm99]

"Bring them on"

--gWb

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That must have a real welcome message for the morale of the troops in Iraq.

"Yeah, Chief. OK. But how about scooting your hot little buns over here and picking up a rifle? Then you can take the point and strut down Bagdhad Blvd playing the Alamo's Davy Crockett to Mexico's Santayana. We'll cheer you on from the armored bleachers."

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Barbara Mason is James Brown's niece....I just found that out. Well I guess music is relative....ummnnnn

[ July 06, 2003, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[TAB.]

Originally posted by RonnieRon:
Did Bush Say God Told Him To Go To War?
by Ira Chernus

It is up to us to help those folks think through the issue. If we view our religiously-minded, pro-Bush fellow-citizens as enemies to be defeated, they will only stiffen their backs and rally round the president. But if we view them as our partners in a shared political life, people we have to talk with constructively, they might just listen. They might just understand that it is not only dangerous to let God tell the president when and where to strike. It is just plain un-American.

I don't think that's possible. We're up against Ideology and Blind faith(Never doubt your leader's intent) at the same time.

[TAB.]

Originally posted by RonnieRon:
Did Bush Say God Told Him To Go To War?
by Ira Chernus


It is crystal clear, though, that another part of the Constitution has been violated. It is absolutely unconstitutional for the president to let God tell him to take the country to war-not because the president is forbidden to consult God, but because the president is forbidden to take the country to war. Only Congress can declare war.

If Bush's conversations with God led to war, it is Congress that bears the greatest blame. Congress gave Bush a blank check. Bush never asked for a declaration of war against Al-Qaeda or Iraq. Congress ducked its responsibility, rolled over eagerly, and gave away its Constitutional duty to make those decisions.

This is an excellent point that the left seems to have forgotten. These guys rolled over to try to appease the swing voters in November. Now they are crying in their beer.

Fox news pundits are totally baffled at the fact that while they were so busy bashing Hilary(the only name those short-sighted fuxers can recall), Howard Dean emerges from out of nowhere.

Hello pundits, get a clue! The democratic base, often accused of being spineless, has latched on to a candidate who is not tied to that blank check that was handed to the prez.

Gephardt, Lieberman, and others are about as useful to this party as Ralph Nader. Their disengenuios support of this warmonger(before November) did more damage to the Dems than the GOP could ever hope for(IMO).


P.S. I do give them credit for standing pat on the Judicial nominee fillibusters. It shows that they are not totally dead yet.

[ July 06, 2003, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: T.A.B ]

[mdpm99]

Greetings T.A.B.

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