LET,S TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT THIS TIME

[INNER CORNER BAND]

THE BALTIMORE HOUSE graemlins/respekt.gif
I WISH THAT 2004 BRING A HIGH LEVELOF RESPOSIBLITY
TO WHAT IT IS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN IN THIS TOWN
WE CAN WISH FOR THE DAYS OF THE OLD ODELL,S GIRARD,S PASHCALL,S FANTASY CIGNAL JUST2NAMEAFEW CLUB THAT I,VE BEEN TO BUT LET,S BUILT FOR THE TODAY FOR THE
NEXT GENERATION OF HOUSE LOVERS biggrinangel.gif graemlins/OLA.gif graemlins/1luvu.gif

[kara]

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[DJ Biskit]

ICB,

I'm with you but how should we go about doing it?? The radio stations don't want anything to do with House. The local PD doesn't have a clue about what Baltimore is about. Where do we start??

[DLow]

What about going at old school style? I don't really know the politics (yet) but maybe try showing up at parties and clubs that are advertised on the radio and pass out flyers and CDs.

[DJ Biskit]

Been there, done that, bought the T-Shirt and the Coffee mug. The problem is perception. Young kids think that House Music is Gay music. That stigma has kept away many a youngin'. I tried to turn-on the younger popular jocks but they too see this as gay music and a threat to their existance somehow even though they know it sounds good!

[kara]

you think? ha, that's surprising ..

[DLow]

Originally posted by DJ Biskit:
Been there, done that, bought the T-Shirt and the Coffee mug. The problem is perception. Young kids think that House Music is Gay music. That stigma has kept away many a youngin'. I tried to turn-on the younger popular jocks but they too see this as gay music and a threat to their existance somehow even though they know it sounds good! I feel ya on this one. This is still a huge problem; it doesn't help when that perception comes from within the house community as well. If people could just SEE that music is music, we'd be alright.

[KBig]

Tru Dat Biskit...
Here's a question...
What if your all.... the DJ's and or us promoters actually give an ole fashion dollar party at on of the colleges to introduce them to the sounds of the underground.... and let them see us party! ... a good party is quite infectious!!!! Let it be no just U or Pope or Kariz... but let 3 or more of you all collaborate so they get the different talented sounds.

*Immma patent my idea*

[KBig]

I got to say this...
Dave... it goes SOOOoooo much deeper than just pulling in the youngings... Their WHOLE mentality is the antithesis of ours. First these kids CAN NOT DANCE!!! They'r preferr'd music genre is not based on musicianship or quality. Its based on quantity not quality, its based upon sex not sensuality, its based upon fronting and posturing not partying. the Radio does not promote underground at all. Why promote a Holistic natured music over a perversion that reaps in hords of $$$???? Not to mention, House Music is not marketed mainstream wise. No video presence, no strong radio presence, no gear, ect ect ect.

So in order for House to flurish we literally have to alter the existing world.

Im not saying that can't be done, Im just saying it has to be done


Hetep! graemlins/conf44.gif

[DLow]

Anybody know a program director personally?

[Jay Rags]

BALTIMORE PEEPS STEP UP AND MAKE YOUR OPINIONS KNOWN NOW! This could be an thought provoking thread.

I feel the younger non-black kids can be gotten to if we can't reach many of the Black kids. They just need to be introduced to the slower more on-beat rhythms.

Also, I try to come up with themes for my parties and was thinking of something like the following. I was going to have an intimate type party and have some of the House heads bring along a younger person and offer 20(?) free popular cd's of artists(Jay-Z,50,etc) that the younger generation likes if they come. It will get them there and give them a chance to see how we do it and not what some old stereotypes portray our scene as.

I have 2 teenage daughters whose friends like the music on the sneak tip. I hear them saying “I like that music your father is listening to”. We just need to get to them. Maybe playing old music makes them feel like they are listening to old people’s music. I think the bangin’ remixes of some of their music integrated with our traditional House can get to them.

But we do need to talk right now. It seems like we can’t get all the Bmore players talking in the same place at once so how about keeping this thing going while we can and maybe some good ideas will flourish.

[KBig]

Yeah ... We all know MAXI from 88.9 (prog director) LOL LOL

a$$whole LOL LOL who took off the successful 10year show of Oji and Pope... the Underground Xperience.. because he wasnt from here... and most of the 88.9 House Music listeners WERE NOT Morgan state contributors!!!!


I hope catches crabs LOL LOL graemlins/rofl.gif

[DLow]

Originally posted by jay rags:
I have 2 teenage daughters whose friends like the music on the sneak tip. I hear them saying “I like that music your father is listening to”. We just need to get to them. Maybe playing old music makes them feel like they are listening to old people’s music.My nine year old daughter sings along to a lot of stuff I play, so I know the interest is there with the younger generation.


I think the bangin’ remixes of some of their music integrated with our traditional House can get to them.Agreed. But the only thing is, once again, how do we advertise this? Could radio ACTUALLY be counted on for promotion?

[DLow]

Originally posted by KBig:
I hope catches crabs LOL LOL graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/grinyes.gif

[DJ Biskit]

Daaaaaaag John, U have 2 teenage daughters?!?! How old are u?? LOL!!

But really, I have a 12 year old daughter who loves house music. She has actually turned her friends onto it. But, in order for it to catch on, it has to be "hip" for the younger set to embrace it.

KBig, your idea for a dollar party is cool but what do you do when those folks start coming up and asking for 50 Cent or another disasterous hip pop record? Unless you fuse the two together. I think another key is to get some of younger DJ's into it, that way they can turn their crowd onto it.

[Jay Rags]

They're my step daughters..but ya' know. My wife is 7 days younger than me so I coulda' did it!

I'm feeling what you are saying about the younger dj's. I just hope they don't mutate the music into something embarrasing. Isn't this how 'Baltimore Club' started.

[ December 16, 2003, 02:38 PM: Message edited by: jay rags ]

[DJ Biskit]

Yeah Really!! LOL!!

[KBig]

Biskit reaching out to the younger DJ's is cool BUT .. How yall gonna do that when you all barely reach out to one another ... ? LOL *starting shit ... I know * LOL LOL graemlins/rofl.gif
Yall dont even like sharing knowledge with one another... *many guilty parties ...* Most of our DJ's wont embace the young DJ's cuz they are already insecure ... ait gone bring in no young whippersnapper to upstage me! LOL

But you'r right about reaching out them.

Also... if you can spoon feed them bullshit music you can force feed them quality music.

Karizma's re-edits of "Frontin" and Beyonce and Pork n Beans is a good example.

I say we all fiddy of us march on Radio One LOL LOL
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[imported_Chr_stopher]

My little sister begs me to put on coati mundi

she is 10

[DJ Biskit]

KBig,

It ain't me!! I have provided a forum to discuss ideas and solutions but thats another thread, on another board, in another state, in another city!! LOL!

[KBig]

LOL B

I did not mention you... did I

as much as I ask you about shit? LOL LOL

Anne... whatever the song iz LOL LOL graemlins/rofl.gif

Im getting old cant remember new music LOL

[KBig]

I have an idea...
What if places like Club ONE have 2 rooms

Tanz in one... and House in the other... yanno
Knights of Columbus style *wink*

What if instead of approaching clubs to have alt House nites... ask them to incorporate House by giving it its own space in the club ???

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[1SmoothDj]

These are approaches I often contemplated for many years starting in the early 90's. I always believed...the way to move House forward was with the kids. Coming up in Chicago's clubs (Playground/MusicBox)as a teen locked that love for this music/playing in my heart forever. Surely, the same could apply today albeit with slightly different more moderized approach/appeal. I just didn't know how to make this happen or where to start at the time, being I was still considered an outside influence (meaning very difficult to secure residencies)as well as my personal life/career was in immed. need of my energy/focus. We (this generation) must plant the seeds...get the yunguns involved & past the malinformed perceptions. This time the revolution will be played live or otherwise!

Marv

Keep that thang popin in Bmore just as some of us here in DC should as well.

[DJ Biskit]

KBig,

Tried that @ Club One. I approached Rocco a long time ago about this concept to no avail. Even with my credentials. There are forces at work here we cannot see. I'm convinced of that!

[DJ OJI]

What's up B-more Underground Family? Read all the posts. Some good points made, but honestly nothing that we have not already addressed or at least talked about addressing in the past. I think we can all agree that our kids all like house music. They have no choice now do they ? smile.gif My son is 3 and if its not house, he says "Daddy, turn on some music!" That's my boy :D
My stepdaughter is 11. You probably know that she too is a house head. Still, that leaves us with a bunch of preteens. They are not old enough to party. Perhaps there is hope for the future, but as far as the present goes..all we got is eachother. B-more is a fickle town. We are divided. Baltimore is segregated both racially and sexually. That's just the way it is. I have learned to accept that. I am tired of trying to change that. Its a Baltimore thing ...I will never understand. That is only part of the problem.
The second part is radio. The way to reach those who need to discover house, those who use to know house, those who are interested in coming out to party with us is RADIO! It is the best marketing tool. As K-big mentioned, that too was taken away. That was also the one opportunity that gave the "young jocks" a chance to shine. That was what gave us the resource to market parties and venues that we could introduce these DJs to the people as guests or openers.

Lets keep it real! Everyone in Baltimore has their "favorite" DJ. That's cool too. I can thinkof no two DJs that are known that share the same exact style. The same goes for the promoters and the dancers. In a recent thread, K-Big mentioned how she likes her house "hard" She can't stand that "down tempo-lounge" house. Says it puts her to sleep. Well, that is not an opinion shared by all. Just by some. Certainly not by those who see the music with their third eye and respect "dancing" as an artform versus an excercise. Not trying to call anybody out here. I am just using this example to show that there are different strokes for different folks. What you might say is house, others might say "that's not house" So there are a lot of variables.
We should all start by respecting each other. Dj's should respect the other Djs for who they are and the styles they posess. It seems that we all have the same goal. That is to see house flourish in B-more.
Don't look for recognition from other cities. Its not going to happen. Never has never will. Worry about Baltimore and keep on doing what you are doing. I only ask one thing of every DJ.. Play a new song at every party. Your choice. Take responsibility and educate your dance floor. I have a similar request for every dancer. Your task is a bit harder though. That is to "embrace" that new song. Your "favorite" DJ is your favorite because you trust him/her. So trust that he will give you what you need as long as you are willing to take a little extra.
Peace,
Oji

[(Im)poster]

Well said as always, Oji.

[KBig]

Well said indeed Double Cut Master (Oji) :D
I do take one exception and I take it personally, that you tagged my dancing as exercise as opposed to artform and expressive. You more so than anyone knowz that is a not true. You know me personally and you know how I feel about my music as well as HOW I feel the music. And as for the down tempo house let me correct you Oji. I said I caint take that tempo FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME or All nite long, Tempo does not define nor does it neither establishes or sever a spiritual tie to the music. You feel what you feel because of How the music hits you...
Nuff said...
Biskit it is scary that Pilgrims who are so far removed from being knowledgeable of the Bmore Underground Scene have soooooo much power and couple that with Radio One's monopoly its an amazing feat that any of us are successful in promoting the longevity and prosperity of House Music

[DJ OJI]

Originally posted by KBig:
Well said indeed Double Cut Master (Oji) :D
I do take one exception and I take it personally, that you tagged my dancing as exercise as opposed to artform and expressive. You more so than anyone knowz that is a not true. You know me personally and you know how I feel about my music as well as HOW I feel the music. And as for the down tempo house let me correct you Oji. I said I caint take that tempo FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME or All nite long, Tempo does not define nor does it neither establishes or sever a spiritual tie to the music. You feel what you feel because of How the music hits you...
Well, what you just said is your very own testimonial to what I was trying to say. My mention of excercise meant that some like their house "hard" so they can get a workout. They want to be beat up. They want it harder and faster. Sounds like "aerobics" to me. I have had aerobic instructors ask me for exactly what you have described. So please don't take it personal boo smile.gif
Then you said "you feel what you feel because of How the music hits you". It contradicts the other statement, but it is exactly what I was getting at. Different people feel the music in different ways. You might want to feel it through the bass cabinet. "boom boom boom..harder faster". Others might want to feel it in their "mind" first and their "feet" will follow. That is when the music takes you somewhere spiritually. That is when the instruments in the song or the lady singing does so with some melody or harmony that it will make you smile or perhaps make you cry. Maybe you don't want to cry on the dance floor? Maybe you have never had that experience? Again, this is not personal, but your views are shared by many others, so I am just using that example. I have seen both sides of the spectrum. I have seen people use every muscle in their body expressing themselves on the dance floor to E2E4. Imagine that? Its true. But still, the DJ has to set the stage to make that happen.
A DJ is a programmer. When you read a book, you don't start at the end or the middle for that matter. You start at the beginning. Let the DJ take you there. He might not get you there as fast as you would like to get you there, but if he is a good DJ he/she will know when to climax. If you need to climax all night long, then the only suggestion I could make is to show up to the party late and dance your ass off for that last hour or two when majority of the crowd is there. That is what your DJ is probably waiting for. More people to get there.
Change gonna come... its already happening. You are all making it happen.

Peace,
Oji

[ December 16, 2003, 07:44 PM: Message edited by: djoji ]

[INNER CORNER BAND]

now that we have everyone at BIG MOMMA graemlins/remybussi.gif HOUSE let get to the meat of the matter we all have offered some beautiful comments DJ TECHNICS
has a forum to at least offer some possible way
to at least get some of the rooms in the cleared
up I,M a firm supporter of change graemlins/remybussi.gif

[Jay Rags]

Here's an opinion about how this dancer likes it. Most people in the Bmore House scene, who know me, knows that I love to dance. But I am getting older and can't be popping around all night. So I would love for a dj to definately start bangin' by midnight until about 2am, then I am ready to get my spirit moved. Some Ambrosia,Blaze, MAW,etc.
or
Mix in the Bangin' style with some smooth, danceable stuff. Why can't I hear a couple of tracks by Karizma,or Basement Boys and then hear some MAW,POJI, or Joe Clausell mixed in.

These kind of sets I dream about but rarely get. Maybe it's do to the early club hours.

I go to many parties to report on the website(BBC) but I also am seeking that ultimate feeling like the night dj Oji played at Red Maple, many nights I heard Karizma play at Sky Lounge, or the first time I went to Biskit's "Good Vibrations" party.

I also want to make a comment about what Oji said about dj's playing a new song. Someone at that party will remember you for that song if you play it right. For instance, before anyone knew about club Plush in Baltimiore, dj Oji was trying to get a party rolling over there. Well, not too many people showed up but he played Angie Stone's "I wish I didn't miss you" for a long time. I was dancing with someone and the song sounded so good. Even though it wasn't crowded I had a nice time and my buddy Craig and I went back at least 2 more times. I will also forever associate dj Technics with another one of my favorites by Sound Sensations called "Get it right". Nobody else played it too much.

One more thing, I wish that dj's, who introduce new music, make sure it sounds good and not just show other dj's that you have the newest "whatever" track.

I want dance like this graemlins/snoopy.gif with my eyes closed a little more to some music with some congas, drums, baselines, and real instruments every once in a while.....I'mma stop 'cause I know nobody will listen to little ole me. graemlins/acclaim.gif

I think if we all got together to give our opinions and offer input, we might need to find a larger spot for that day.

[ December 16, 2003, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: jay rags ]

[DJ Biskit]

Good Post by all!!

OJI, Pay KBig no mind!! She's just sensitive like that!! LOL!! graemlins/bolt.gif

On the real, I talked to some of the DJ's @ Radio One here B-More and they are telling me that the PD is strickly about money and ratings. He doesn't know house, and doesn't want to know house as he had cancelled Boobie's show on Sunday. Despite the numerous emails that were sent to him (like ol' Maxi) they fell on death's ear! graemlins/conf44.gif

I think we are coming along nicely with our scene. We have the following:

Good Vibrations
Sky Lounge on Thursdays
Sugar On Friday's
Brighter Days
Spy Club on Saturdays
Alpha Omega Lounge
Not to mention we are minutes away from DC.

Radio is very important. While its cool that we some house on the radio, in order for it have a future, it needs to be played on youth oriented radio.

I invite all my House people down to Club Trax every Friday from 2pm-7pm for the "Friday Forum." I am there every Friday along with Technics, Thommy Davis, and Ron Hall. We are there to discuss anything. Whats wrong, Ya'll scared!!! graemlins/tongueout.gif LOL!!

[POJI]

I think that if this forum is to take place it needs to be in a place where there is no distractions. A record store would be a distractions, it's like putting a kid in a candy store and saying that you can't have any candy.
This forum need to take place like yesterday. Lets see what times are good for most and start looking for a place to have it at. Why don't K-bigs ask her uncle Wayne davis to let us use the paradox? That would be the perfect place.
Let's see if the Brothers and Sisters will work it out. It's time to step up or shut up Peace DjPope

[DLow]

Whatever's clever y'all. Get at me. (djderrick7@aol.com) BTW, if I can make it back to Bmore b4 6:30 on Friday, I'll be at Club Trax.

[SuzanneT]

I say that we throw a big ol' all day House Party in Druid Hill Park, next summer, maybe the weekend after Artscape. (I would be willing to do the research to find out how to go about throwing a party in the park)
I know we had house dj's @ artscape 2002 but I wasn't in town for Artscape '03. The school I work for sponsors artscape so I can find out if house is on the agenda for '04.
I am hearing house music blaring in waay too many cars of people I have never seen on the house scene and waay too many people asking for copies of my house CD's (Ask DaveR about my neighbor begging LOL)to believe that house is dying in Baltimore

[sammyrock]

Bradford James and a few others gotz to make a move there for sure.. smile.gif

[DJ OJI]

Originally posted by DJ Biskit:
Good Post by all!!


I invite all my House people down to Club Trax every Friday from 2pm-7pm for the "Friday Forum." I am there every Friday along with Technics, Thommy Davis, and Ron Hall. We are there to discuss anything. Whats wrong, Ya'll scared!!! graemlins/tongueout.gif LOL!! Not scared, at work ;) And I agree with Pope that the record store is not the greatest place for a meeting. And 2-7 is 5 hours long. When does it start? When does it end?

Kelly is Wayne's cousin?
:eek:

But more importantly, What is the purpose of this meeting?
Seriously, I hate getting together and talking about a whole lot of nothing. Even more than that, I hate talking about things that we have already talked about. Somethings are not in our power to change. Commercial Radio for example...so let's not talk about that.
Getting people to come to a place that they don't want to party...let's not talk about that either.
We have been down this road before. I am all for saying, but I am more in favor of doing.
I don't want to be at a "what we need to do is..." meeting. Been there. Done that. It never happens collectively. It usually happens because an individual or group or individuals who decide that they are going to do it for themselves. (That's not always a bad thing. Many entities have emerged as a result)
What I want to know exactly is:
What do we want to do?
Can we start that conversation here and now? Perhaps we can at least agree on an agenda .

Peace,
Oji

[ December 17, 2003, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: djoji ]

[KBig]

Oji... Wayne is my Uncle ... I thought you knew that all these years. And just like Ms Badu Im sensitive about my SHIT!! LOL Its all good DCMaster (Oji) ....You still got alot of dancing to do to catch up to me... *wink*

I think this is a TERRIFIC convo... progress is definitely being made here...

What I would like to see from the forum... whether I can make it there physically or not... shit call me on my cell and conference me in...

I would like there to be a collective effort to get Underground back on the Radio...during hours that we can listen to. Pope How I wish your show was on the weekend sweetie... We would definitely be able to lend more support but we all know "They" really didnt set you up for success.. but you will prevail anyway.

Also if we could make some calls to get Sponsorship line up so WE dont go to Radio ONE empty handed. Its a dayum shame that DC has got their "indigenous" music (GoGo) on DC airwaves.... WE NEED TO GET HOUSE BACK ON BMORE AIRWAVES. graemlins/madani.gif

[KBig]

I have an idea....
Since we need to "shed light on the situation" and publicity is needed to further our cause... tell me what you think about this????

What if we do and old school style Marathon, PDox would be perfect, get the news stations, papers and radio to cover it .. have ALL our DJ's play non stop ... money could go to charity but the purpose would be to graemlins/conf44.gif Underground back on the airwaves... ????


I know its kinda corny... but it could definitely work... i think... maybe... perhaps?????

[DJ Biskit]

Sup Folks,

Good dialogue by all. OJI and Pope, the reason why I suggested having it at Club Trax is because for some reason, everyone had sort of migrated to the spot just hang and discuss the scene. Alot of interesting ideas have come about as well as not so good ideas. I understand that we shouldn't get together just to get together. It would serve no purpose other than to be in each others company.

The hours were to accomodate peoples various schedules and to create informal dialogue since there was no dialogue to begin with. I am all for a more formal stucture and meeting place. The Dox is cool. Anybody else with a location please feel free to suggest it. Here some things I think we need to find solutions to:

Radio - How do we as a united front approach and propose to a radio station a house music show?

Venues - Same as radio How do we as a united front approach and propose to an owner of the venue a house night. How should we promote that night as a united front. Also we need to approach more AA owned business.

Bring more youth into House Music - Any Ideas??

Feel free to add your own suggestions. This is just a start. graemlins/acclaim.gif

[KBig]

Well Biskit...

Radio understands #'s and sponsorship ($$) So you have to "show them the potential market" I.e get them to an event.

Not to many BoBo clubs in Bmore... especially not in the downtown corridor. Hmmm Let's name the BoBo clubs.
PDox ...of course
Choices graemlins/scared.gif *no comment*
Silver Shadows * "Columbia"
Howard Street * Organic Soul*

That's it... I know Im missing some... I think

Also... You might think about invite current lounge and club owners (Pilgrims) who may need to understand the different dynamics that come into play with Underground Music Parties... I.e we dont drink like Pilgrims when we party

[DJ OJI]

Good ideas Kelly and Biskit. I know I sound like a non believer and I just ask that you forgive me. I have tried all of these things. I have the proposal already written. It has graced the desks of every radio program director in town. They are all a-holes. Professionalism seems to be a thing of the past. You know my package was tight. Spel checked, facts and clear plastic folder. Very presentable. This followed up by unreturned phone calls and when I finally did get to speak to someone, they were far from receptive. To quote the great asshole Tim Watts "Its not the people who want mix shows, its the Dj's" Furthermore "Why don't I go borrow $500,000 and start my own radio station" Need I say more. I think they are all in the same fraternity of assholes. I have hundreds of letters from people who supported WEAA who were willing to pay for the show to be aired. These letters reveal occupations, race, salaries...demographics. In other words, the marketing research was done. Done by me, what no one else was willing to do (meaning radio marketing) before making the assumption that people who listen to house and love it have no money. G-man has an age poll on this very board. Majority of members are between the age of 30-34. 34 and over coming second. That's your money right there. Career people. Until we get someone who loves house music in the program director's seat, I don't think that any campaign is going to change things. Sorry to sound so negative, but its just been my experience. Given these demographics, you should also realize that our target markets would have to be listeners of stations like Majic, WEAA and WHUR (tried that too...just so you know). I will do whatever you guys need me to, but I just want you to realize what it is that you want may not necessarily be something that we are in control of. I still say that the scene is rebuilding. You have yourselves to thank for that. I think that Ultra has offered the best solution or attempt at one thus far and I brainstorm with her almost weekly. Under one roof, there are 4 fridays in a month and that creates an opportunity for all formats to be represented. The arrangement seems to be working and the atmosphere is great. Your thoughts?

Peace,
Oji

[KBig]

I feel ya Oji... U know I know sweetie. I had a 2hour convo with Maxi of 88.9 and his main concern wasnt the listener-ship #'s is was membership $$$$$.
You could have had 1000 people listening to you Oji but if they werent contributors/members to Morgan than he didnt think WE were important. His question was why didnt Oji's listeners sign up and pledge money. Shit Im not an alum of Morgan LOL * UMES til I die* LOL LOL but University radio seems to be a strange bird unto itself. So To me that is the Jimmy Hoffa tactic. Are your listeners contributing monies???? isnt that extortion ??? But what he doesnt know is that many of us who did contribute money at one time STOPPED!

Ultra's party is a great alternative. Her method of having diferent guest DJ's is working... I just believe we need several options not just inside one club.

Again, Oji I believe that before the Radio can be made into believers, they have to be shown. Protest by write ins is not phasing them. I would love to have us "March on St Paul Street" LOL Yanno Honk if you love House LOL LOL graemlins/rofl.gif

What about asking if this could be a topic of discussion on 88.9's show that on around 8????

[DJ Biskit]

Dayum OJI, Tim acted like that!?!? :eek:

Whoa!! Don't know what to say. When I approached him, he was quite interested but told me that I would need to learn the board so he made me KW's intern on his show so I can learn the board and work on my "chops". Once that was completed then he look for a slot for me. Looking at Sunday evenings. Has anybody tried the new Jazz Station? 104.5 WSMJ? A house show would be a good fit over there.

[Jay Rags]

I thank GMan for this message board. I don't think we ought to stop this thread. If we do, I don't think a lot of these issues will come out face to face. I've talked 'unification' stuff before but when I see people face to face some of the talk stops. I know I've probably failed in the fact that I didn't provide a good board in my Baltimore site for this to take place. The world will read our dirty laundry here. But that's not important. We should keep the thoughts coming right now while it rolling.

What Oji spoke about in having a forum that is 'saying' something is probably correct. We all know what needs to take place but I want to hear what are we going to do type stuff.

You all know that I speak frequently to most of the players in our scene. There are very few of you dj's/producers/singers that I don't generally have a love/fondness and camaraderie with, so I hope no one gets offended by me right now. I often get many emails telling me what I need to do or what I should be doing and have taken all the constructive criticisms. In my opinion, this is what I've noticed about some of you that you might not have notice.

Biskit holds a lot of power right now. You have and can make even more of a difference in our scene. You have respect of House headz for making “Good Vibrations” into a big all-House party. Have you notice though, how many star athletes have a responsibility to be role models even though they didn’t initially want that title. Well you have reached a popularity status in Bmore where a lot of us insiders look to GV, the place that pulls in more House heads at once consistently, as the place where we can introduce the most new music to the maximum number of house headz. People are always saying GV should be playing deeper music or newer music. I don’t think they mean to insult the party but just recognize the power you have right now in that you can make a difference.

Other promoters: Having said the above I think a lot of us need to realize, as I have, that Biskit’s party is his party and he has the right to take it in the direction he wants. YOU should start your own party in the way you want to. You know that most of us send emails out to our email lists about other people’s parties and will support anyone trying to do anything.

Pope and Oji. You brothers need to come back home NOW. I know that sometimes you feel like you can get away with playing certain types of music down in dc that you can’t in Bmore. You are professionals and know how to bang it the way Bmore needs it without changing your styles. Most of your old Oasis crowd goes to Good Vibrations and are still around. I’m not saying this to say you can get a piece of that crowd because most of the House headz go to all the parties anyway. Pope I want you to know that even though I was upset at the cancellation of “Underground Experience” that I am personally ready to let it go and definitely support the show. The collaboration with you and handzonradio.com is a good thing. We need you(both of you) back on the radio. During the time you were off the air, a lot of ‘good’ new music did not cycle through our scene.

Dj’s respect each other’s styles: There seems to be 2 schools of House in Bmore. The bangin’ “Basement Boy” style and the more baseline influenced or what some people call ‘deeper, soulful’ sounds. While I love both styles I notice that many dj’s speak about cycling in some deep, new music. Well that’s all good but some dj’s try to introduce so much new music that they forget about quality or if the people are even moving on the dance floor. Make sure the new music sounds good…..there are certain songs out there that when you hear it you know it’s a winner. Also, as a person who loves to come and support all of your parties I get insulted sometimes when I get the same music over and over like we won’t understand..…..but please don’t assume that I’m talking about or blaming Good Vibrations because I go to a lot of parties and there are a lot of people stuck on the music of the past when there is so much incredible music out here right now. Part of the GV purpose is brining in new House headz, but some other people have no purpose for stagnating the scene other than trying to cash in on our House resurgence.

SuzanneT metioned a big unified party in Druid Hill Park. This is something that I spoke to a couple of you about last year. So as you can see the House headz of Bmore want to see us more together. We should make this happen and not with the same ole dj line-ups. Mix up the line up with dissimilar styles dj’s like Pope, Oji, Cleo, Derrick, JLee, Chuck should be mixed in with dj’s like Biskit, Karizma, Spen, Teddy and so many others that play a bumped- up style. That’s balance.

Blackbookscafe: I can not begin to tell you all the many criticisms, ‘john you need to’, ‘what your website lacks’, etc that people have told or emailed me. I always listen and try to see if that would help contribute to our scene. I still have things to learn and many of you know that I love this scene and most of the people involved in it, including the house headz.

Everyone should also recognize that it does no good to talk about what someone is doing badly if you haven’t made a conscious effort to see if there is something you can help them with. A lot of people seem ‘standoffish’ but I’ve found that many of our people are receptive if they think someone wants to genuinely offer advice. I know I can always use help.

Lastly, RADIO IN BALTIMORE SUCKS and probably will for many years. I listen to GW Griff and Pope for those few hours out of the week, but that’s it. One alternative….. this is going to freak some people out, but if we could somehow combine our emails lists and find an inexpensive email service to send out a bi-weekly/monthly newsletters listing all the parties for that month that would be incredible. We could email all of the people on our prospective lists and ask them if they wouldn’t mind being included in a monthly newsletter of most of the area parties/events that would come from all of us. Those who respond can be put in this special email list. People who want their parties listed should contribute some sort of email list.


With nothing but love, peace, and respect,
John

[ December 17, 2003, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: jay rags ]

[DLow]

The common denominator appears to be money. Radio stations want to see that it can be made. The numbers generated from the most successful ongoing events in Bmore could serve as an influential tool in convincing these stations that, yes, money can be made from this demographic, but an approach to marketing such events should and must differ from the current approaches for non-house events.

However, an idea such as this would have to be executed in phases; go after the small stations (ie WEAA), let the other, larger stations (92Q) see the success on the smaller scale. From there, we do the same thing; let them see the numbers.

In regards to radio, I think we should focus our energies on what we currently have -- WEAA. Continue to have our events, but market them aggresively (or as aggresive as we can get) so that the numbers WILL increase. I figure they can't argue with success.

Any thoughts?

[KBig]

That was bootiful JRags... graemlins/mecry.gif

FYI: Kohesive has a newsletter called KMG (Kohesive Music Group) Oji/Pope I need your email addys to add you to our mailing list.

the newsletter is quarterly ... announcing Past Present and Future Kohesive endeavors.
I think the weekly emails and BBC announcements is quite enuf to keep us informed, So we didnt want to innundate peeps with a weekly or monthly newsletter. KMG gives folks a chance to reflect and actually SEE a body of work and events that Kohesive has been involved in.

Another alternative is... since there arent alot of BoBo "clubs"... check out Restaurant owners.
Shula's @ the Wyndam, &The Asian Rim in Columbia is doing exactly what I have been preposing. Also Downtown Southern Blues is a great spot. My Anthology party was there and that was a bomb!!! Restaruants have more flexibility than clubs who rely on the bar for its money. They arent restricted by Liquor Laws like Nite Clubs.... and its a win win situation cuz they can get there money up front OR...share the profit which is added $$ bonus for them because they nomally operate as a Restaurant.

Pilgrim owned clubs are wielding tooo much power in Bmore. We do have an alternative choice... Restaurants!!!!1 graemlins/acclaim.gif

[KBig]

Pope I have yours.... I just sent it to you

Oji luv... I need your email addy.

[DJ Biskit]

John,

Good post!! I feel ya 1000%!! U and I have had conversations in the past so you know I'm with ya!! Being one of the leaders in our house resurgence, I took it upon myself to inform my patrons about all House Music alternatives in our area. This gives the people a chance to listen to different styles of house music. Judging from the incresed patronage, its working. People are asking me for certain records they have heard at other parties and this is what keeps me on my toes as far as music.

We all have a responsibility in this thing we call house. From the DJ's all the way down to the dancers. Remember though that Good Vibrations was built on a foundation already laid!! I think everyone has made good suggestion and proposals on how to advance the scene. So whats the next step??

[Jay Rags]

So whats the next step??

....and here is where I think we get stuck. It seems like a lot of us have tried it all.

[KBig]

Here's an honest Question

Okay... so we get together... come up with some sort of plan.. yada yada yada...
Say we find a spot or a radio slot.
Are you telling me that YOU all (the DJ's) are willing to bring "errybody" else in? Cmon now lets be real. I'll will be the first to say it since no one want to open Pandoras Box. PEOPLE DRINKING ALOT OF HATERADE!!! LOL LOL

We need to be honest here guys. Everybody aint a fan of everbody elses playing styles or always respectful. EGO and INSECURITY has been a big issue in Bmore. It is and always has been from Wayne and Archie @ Cignels to Jerome and Mike Joyner @ Fantasy's ( for those of you who dont know let me school ya) Wayne and Archie alternated Thursdays. More people went on Wayne Davis' nite and Archie threw fits. He eventually got Wayne fired and stole his mailing list LOL LOL :eek: remember Biskit they were having Wayne Davis Bday parties while Wayne was out of town LOL LOL !!! graemlins/rofl.gif
Im just keeping it REEEEALLLL! as they say. Shit Pope, you and I just started speaking this year again LOL LOL graemlins/rofl.gif And Im glad we are for the record. graemlins/cheering.gif

But I am being serious here people. Unless you deal with the truth and recognize that errybody aint a superstar quarterback DJ... and be willing to learn from one another rather than being concerned with 1 ' uping each other ...anything you all try to build with be done so ontop of a pile of bullshit which means it will fail. So lets begin with honest dialog about:

Guest DJ spots... Great tool for bringin' in unheard DJ's, building new relationships between DJ's and strengthening old aquaintances. We are making great strides in this!!! Pope, Biskit, and Karizma, and the Sugar Party are spearheading this effort!!! Great Job. Keep it up.

Radio time: Biskit,Pope & Griff... Bringing on other DJ 's that your listeners may not otherwise hear (other than Wayne and Spen)
I.e... Biskit bringing on Pope would give him a chance to a have primetime moment and let have the potential to gain listeners for his nitetime program. Having Karizma on so they can be familiar with the DJ who's music they are requesting from you I.e Krispy Burnt for example.Pope You can do the same. Sooner rather than later House scene is in a state of emergency yall. Do a rookie DJ of the month to bring in the younger DJ's out there.

DJ Courtesy: BIG PROBLEM !!! In case you dont know... it is rude to waltz up in a spot if you are a DJ... You know the DJ who is spinning... and you dont go up to the booth and show the DJ love. Dayum at least speak.
I have seen this done quite a bit!!! Why go if you aren't a fan or want to enjoy the DJ's music?? :eek: :eek: :eek:
Shit thats reconnaissance LOL mind as well work for the gubmint

Also.... If you "acquire, or commondere* a track of a fellow DJ( and it didnt come from the DJ!!!) and you don't inform them that "hey got your music and I want to play i".. THAT IS FOUL!!! Producers like Oji/Pope, Karizma,Spen and the BBoys work hard on there creations, at least respect the creation process and let the DJ's know when you have their shit! Its a helluva compliment that you want to play it... its and insult when you dont want them to know you are giving them props. That is SHADY!!

for further discussion .... kcwbigelow@netzero.net or pull me up I the one with the big butt and a smile graemlins/rofl.gif

[DJ OJI]

Originally posted by DJ Biskit:
Dayum OJI, Tim acted like that!?!? :eek:

Whoa!! Don't know what to say. When I approached him, he was quite interested but told me that I would need to learn the board so he made me KW's intern on his show so I can learn the board and work on my "chops". Once that was completed then he look for a slot for me. Looking at Sunday evenings. Has anybody tried the new Jazz Station? 104.5 WSMJ? A house show would be a good fit over there. That's good news Biskit. My conversation with him was going on now almost two years ago. It took 5 un returned phone calls (the last in which I addressed his lack of integrity as a professional and AA) before we even had that stimulating conversation. You have a rapport with him. Back then he would not even let Griff play house music (new or old). Now that you got guys like Wayne paing advertising dollars and you broadcasting live with him by your side, maybe he can see the difference. I hope you get it. Its what's necessary and will make a big difference. So do the damn thing.

Peace,
Oji

[DJ OJI]

Originally posted by KBig:
I feel ya Oji... U know I know sweetie. I had a 2hour convo with Maxi of 88.9 and his main concern wasnt the listener-ship #'s is was membership $$$$$.
You could have had 1000 people listening to you Oji but if they werent contributors/members to Morgan than he didnt think WE were important. His question was why didnt Oji's listeners sign up and pledge money. Kelly, Maxi is a bold face liar. He is so good at it. The show was cancelled two weeks after we doubled our membership pledge goal. The truth is that our show brought in more money than the Jazz did. We were prepared to "buy" the show. Pay for the time. People were willing to pay whatever amount of money it would take to keep the show on. So don't believe the hype. I have the letters from the people. Maxi got tricks. He told us that no matter what we did...house music was for afterhours. Bottomline!

Peace,
Oji

[KBig]

He's a piece of work Oji. :rolleyes:
He said something about not wanting the format to take on an "Urban Music" format. I guess thats what "Pretty Ricky " (Maxi) was talking about.

Are any of the DC stations "open" to having House Music on the air?

just curious

[DJ OJI]

Originally posted by KBig:
He's a piece of work Oji. :rolleyes:
He said something about not wanting the format to take on an "Urban Music" format. I guess thats what "Pretty Ricky " (Maxi) was talking about.

Are any of the DC stations "open" to having House Music on the air?

just curious WHUR. I was real close, but it fell through. Otherwise, there is no outlet that I know of. The truth is, they don't need it in DC :) I got more people "straying" into Red on a humble,than we got headz in general.
I have to go. You put up a very interesting comment about unity and some more stuff that I would love to comment on. I just don't have the time and perhaps I will try to be political in my statement. I will say this though...you represent half of the problem that you are trying to solve. I just don't think you know it :)It tickles me to death. Keep it real right? This is great convo. I will holla later.

Peace,
Oji

[Henry 'da Man]

Hey everybody? There are lots of good things said on this "thread". When or if there is a meeting, (if schedule permits)I'm there. I do believe that we have to make it happen ourselves. To me, it is the only way if u want the masses (to be)see that "maybe this music isn't that bad", which can lead into another topic "Why do we have to impress the masses".

[INNER CORNER BAND]

Originally posted by Henry 'da Man:
Hey everybody? There are lots of good things said on this "thread". When or if there is a meeting, (if schedule permits)I'm there. I do believe that we have to make it happen ourselves. To me, it is the only way if u want the masses (to be)see that "maybe this music isn't that bad", which can lead into another topic "Why do we have to impress the masses".

[INNER CORNER BAND]

Originally posted by INNER CORNER BAND:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Henry 'da Man:
Hey everybody? There are lots of good things said on this "thread". When or if there is a meeting, (if schedule permits)I'm there. I do believe that we have to make it happen ourselves. To me, it is the only way if u want the masses (to be)see that "maybe this music isn't that bad", which can lead into another topic "Why do we have to impress the masses". </font>[/QUOTE]now for the peeps that live in a cave we have two
party four friday night that need support from the masses of house SUGAR mad1.gif LOVE and DJ MOTAE
party feat: DJ POPE let,s try and make the fire dept shut them down with the masses runnig over into
the street . smile.gif smile.gif

[mhd]

great thread, i've had love for baltimore since, well, o'dells, good luck with your efforts, someone asked about dc radio, fact is, bmore radio is way better when it comes to house music. oji mentioned whur, that's interesting because they recently changed a bit, they seem to be saying we are just gonna play good music, like they used to do, so i'm not surprised to hear he was close to making something happen there.
one observation, there are a ton of old heads out there, i am constantly re-turning on folks to music that used to party back in the day, that is an un-tapped market. but the focus should be on youngins, again, good luck, the whole world is watching and we all want you to succeed

[INNER CORNER BAND]

Originally posted by mhd:
great thread, i've had love for baltimore since, well, o'dells, good luck with your efforts, someone asked about dc radio, fact is, bmore radio is way better when it comes to house music. oji mentioned whur, that's interesting because they recently changed a bit, they seem to be saying we are just gonna play good music, like they used to do, so i'm not surprised to hear he was close to making something happen there.
one observation, there are a ton of old heads out there, i am constantly re-turning on folks to music that used to party back in the day, that is an un-tapped market. but the focus should be on youngins, again, good luck, the whole world is watching and we all want you to succeed thank you for your Support biggrinangel.gif

[Cleo Khary]

Originally posted by jay rags:
I thank GMan for this message board. I don't think we ought to stop this thread. If we do, I don't think a lot of these issues will come out face to face. I've talked 'unification' stuff before but when I see people face to face some of the talk stops. I know I've probably failed in the fact that I didn't provide a good board in my Baltimore site for this to take place. The world will read our dirty laundry here. But that's not important. We should keep the thoughts coming right now while it rolling.

What Oji spoke about in having a forum that is 'saying' something is probably correct. We all know what needs to take place but I want to hear what are we going to do type stuff.

You all know that I speak frequently to most of the players in our scene. There are very few of you dj's/producers/singers that I don't generally have a love/fondness and camaraderie with, so I hope no one gets offended by me right now. I often get many emails telling me what I need to do or what I should be doing and have taken all the constructive criticisms. In my opinion, this is what I've noticed about some of you that you might not have notice.

Biskit holds a lot of power right now. You have and can make even more of a difference in our scene. You have respect of House headz for making “Good Vibrations” into a big all-House party. Have you notice though, how many star athletes have a responsibility to be role models even though they didn’t initially want that title. Well you have reached a popularity status in Bmore where a lot of us insiders look to GV, the place that pulls in more House heads at once consistently, as the place where we can introduce the most new music to the maximum number of house headz. People are always saying GV should be playing deeper music or newer music. I don’t think they mean to insult the party but just recognize the power you have right now in that you can make a difference.

Other promoters: Having said the above I think a lot of us need to realize, as I have, that Biskit’s party is his party and he has the right to take it in the direction he wants. YOU should start your own party in the way you want to. You know that most of us send emails out to our email lists about other people’s parties and will support anyone trying to do anything.

Pope and Oji. You brothers need to come back home NOW. I know that sometimes you feel like you can get away with playing certain types of music down in dc that you can’t in Bmore. You are professionals and know how to bang it the way Bmore needs it without changing your styles. Most of your old Oasis crowd goes to Good Vibrations and are still around. I’m not saying this to say you can get a piece of that crowd because most of the House headz go to all the parties anyway. Pope I want you to know that even though I was upset at the cancellation of “Underground Experience” that I am personally ready to let it go and definitely support the show. The collaboration with you and handzonradio.com is a good thing. We need you(both of you) back on the radio. During the time you were off the air, a lot of ‘good’ new music did not cycle through our scene.

Dj’s respect each other’s styles: There seems to be 2 schools of House in Bmore. The bangin’ “Basement Boy” style and the more baseline influenced or what some people call ‘deeper, soulful’ sounds. While I love both styles I notice that many dj’s speak about cycling in some deep, new music. Well that’s all good but some dj’s try to introduce so much new music that they forget about quality or if the people are even moving on the dance floor. Make sure the new music sounds good…..there are certain songs out there that when you hear it you know it’s a winner. Also, as a person who loves to come and support all of your parties I get insulted sometimes when I get the same music over and over like we won’t understand..…..but please don’t assume that I’m talking about or blaming Good Vibrations because I go to a lot of parties and there are a lot of people stuck on the music of the past when there is so much incredible music out here right now. Part of the GV purpose is brining in new House headz, but some other people have no purpose for stagnating the scene other than trying to cash in on our House resurgence.

SuzanneT metioned a big unified party in Druid Hill Park. This is something that I spoke to a couple of you about last year. So as you can see the House headz of Bmore want to see us more together. We should make this happen and not with the same ole dj line-ups. Mix up the line up with dissimilar styles dj’s like Pope, Oji, Cleo, Derrick, JLee, Chuck should be mixed in with dj’s like Biskit, Karizma, Spen, Teddy and so many others that play a bumped- up style. That’s balance.

Blackbookscafe: I can not begin to tell you all the many criticisms, ‘john you need to’, ‘what your website lacks’, etc that people have told or emailed me. I always listen and try to see if that would help contribute to our scene. I still have things to learn and many of you know that I love this scene and most of the people involved in it, including the house headz.

Everyone should also recognize that it does no good to talk about what someone is doing badly if you haven’t made a conscious effort to see if there is something you can help them with. A lot of people seem ‘standoffish’ but I’ve found that many of our people are receptive if they think someone wants to genuinely offer advice. I know I can always use help.

Lastly, RADIO IN BALTIMORE SUCKS and probably will for many years. I listen to GW Griff and Pope for those few hours out of the week, but that’s it. One alternative….. this is going to freak some people out, but if we could somehow combine our emails lists and find an inexpensive email service to send out a bi-weekly/monthly newsletters listing all the parties for that month that would be incredible. We could email all of the people on our prospective lists and ask them if they wouldn’t mind being included in a monthly newsletter of most of the area parties/events that would come from all of us. Those who respond can be put in this special email list. People who want their parties listed should contribute some sort of email list.


With nothing but love, peace, and respect,
John Very well said John.

[INNER CORNER BAND]

Originally posted by SuzanneT:
I say that we throw a big ol' all day House Party in Druid Hill Park, next summer, maybe the weekend after Artscape. (I would be willing to do the research to find out how to go about throwing a party in the park)
I know we had house dj's @ artscape 2002 but I wasn't in town for Artscape '03. The school I work for sponsors artscape so I can find out if house is on the agenda for '04.
I am hearing house music blaring in waay too many cars of people I have never seen on the house scene and waay too many people asking for copies of my house CD's (Ask DaveR about my neighbor begging LOL)to believe that house is dying in Baltimore biggrinangel.gif can i help with getting this going after we allget back (WMC) that the whole B-HOUSE FAMILY graemlins/remybussi.gif

[INNER CORNER BAND]

Originally posted by C.L.E.O:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jay rags:
I thank GMan for this message board. I don't think we ought to stop this thread. If we do, I don't think a lot of these issues will come out face to face. I've talked 'unification' stuff before but when I see people face to face some of the talk stops. I know I've probably failed in the fact that I didn't provide a good board in my Baltimore site for this to take place. The world will read our dirty laundry here. But that's not important. We should keep the thoughts coming right now while it rolling.

What Oji spoke about in having a forum that is 'saying' something is probably correct. We all know what needs to take place but I want to hear what are we going to do type stuff.

You all know that I speak frequently to most of the players in our scene. There are very few of you dj's/producers/singers that I don't generally have a love/fondness and camaraderie with, so I hope no one gets offended by me right now. I often get many emails telling me what I need to do or what I should be doing and have taken all the constructive criticisms. In my opinion, this is what I've noticed about some of you that you might not have notice.

Biskit holds a lot of power right now. You have and can make even more of a difference in our scene. You have respect of House headz for making “Good Vibrations” into a big all-House party. Have you notice though, how many star athletes have a responsibility to be role models even though they didn’t initially want that title. Well you have reached a popularity status in Bmore where a lot of us insiders look to GV, the place that pulls in more House heads at once consistently, as the place where we can introduce the most new music to the maximum number of house headz. People are always saying GV should be playing deeper music or newer music. I don’t think they mean to insult the party but just recognize the power you have right now in that you can make a difference.

Other promoters: Having said the above I think a lot of us need to realize, as I have, that Biskit’s party is his party and he has the right to take it in the direction he wants. YOU should start your own party in the way you want to. You know that most of us send emails out to our email lists about other people’s parties and will support anyone trying to do anything.

Pope and Oji. You brothers need to come back home NOW. I know that sometimes you feel like you can get away with playing certain types of music down in dc that you can’t in Bmore. You are professionals and know how to bang it the way Bmore needs it without changing your styles. Most of your old Oasis crowd goes to Good Vibrations and are still around. I’m not saying this to say you can get a piece of that crowd because most of the House headz go to all the parties anyway. Pope I want you to know that even though I was upset at the cancellation of “Underground Experience” that I am personally ready to let it go and definitely support the show. The collaboration with you and handzonradio.com is a good thing. We need you(both of you) back on the radio. During the time you were off the air, a lot of ‘good’ new music did not cycle through our scene.

Dj’s respect each other’s styles: There seems to be 2 schools of House in Bmore. The bangin’ “Basement Boy” style and the more baseline influenced or what some people call ‘deeper, soulful’ sounds. While I love both styles I notice that many dj’s speak about cycling in some deep, new music. Well that’s all good but some dj’s try to introduce so much new music that they forget about quality or if the people are even moving on the dance floor. Make sure the new music sounds good…..there are certain songs out there that when you hear it you know it’s a winner. Also, as a person who loves to come and support all of your parties I get insulted sometimes when I get the same music over and over like we won’t understand..…..but please don’t assume that I’m talking about or blaming Good Vibrations because I go to a lot of parties and there are a lot of people stuck on the music of the past when there is so much incredible music out here right now. Part of the GV purpose is brining in new House headz, but some other people have no purpose for stagnating the scene other than trying to cash in on our House resurgence.

SuzanneT metioned a big unified party in Druid Hill Park. This is something that I spoke to a couple of you about last year. So as you can see the House headz of Bmore want to see us more together. We should make this happen and not with the same ole dj line-ups. Mix up the line up with dissimilar styles dj’s like Pope, Oji, Cleo, Derrick, JLee, Chuck should be mixed in with dj’s like Biskit, Karizma, Spen, Teddy and so many others that play a bumped- up style. That’s balance.

Blackbookscafe: I can not begin to tell you all the many criticisms, ‘john you need to’, ‘what your website lacks’, etc that people have told or emailed me. I always listen and try to see if that would help contribute to our scene. I still have things to learn and many of you know that I love this scene and most of the people involved in it, including the house headz.

Everyone should also recognize that it does no good to talk about what someone is doing badly if you haven’t made a conscious effort to see if there is something you can help them with. A lot of people seem ‘standoffish’ but I’ve found that many of our people are receptive if they think someone wants to genuinely offer advice. I know I can always use help.

Lastly, RADIO IN BALTIMORE SUCKS and probably will for many years. I listen to GW Griff and Pope for those few hours out of the week, but that’s it. One alternative….. this is going to freak some people out, but if we could somehow combine our emails lists and find an inexpensive email service to send out a bi-weekly/monthly newsletters listing all the parties for that month that would be incredible. We could email all of the people on our prospective lists and ask them if they wouldn’t mind being included in a monthly newsletter of most of the area parties/events that would come from all of us. Those who respond can be put in this special email list. People who want their parties listed should contribute some sort of email list.


With nothing but love, peace, and respect,
John Very well said John. </font>[/QUOTE]what up DJ when are we going too hear from u on the 1,2,3,4, AND that hot as INNER CORNER BAND
INCL. graemlins/sleep2.gif

[DJ Biskit]

^^^^BUMP^^^
:D

[KBig]

The only problem I represent is that is to the DJ's who's ego can't take hearing critiques, opinions, personal preferences, how ever you want to phrase it. The truth is, there is no ONE Truth.
For every DJ who wants to produce, for Every producer who wants to push their tracks, for every dancer who wants to party and dance ALL have their own agendas. It is not very realistic to believe the House community is going to come together under that premise. PLEASE!!! :rolleyes: To Do what? That is the real question!!! My only concern in regards to this issue is wanting to have a "movement" or unified concentration to get House back on the radio and have more BoBo venues... in Baltimore.AND... DJ's who have known each other for years to show COMMON respect. But truly, each DJ and organization is for themselves as it should be, and should be concerned with futhering their own popularity and success.
So, Please Oji speak what you think, I dont really respect political responses. It just means you are'nt truly speaking your mind.

People like me (dancers,patrons ect) have a lil more power and less responsibility. I dont have to worry aboutthe powers that be "liking me" or hating on me. I promote events and I attend parties, thats all I do. So I understand its easier for me to say the thing you all wish you could. Oji my dear I love you dearly and consider you a dear friend (I always have) I have seen your efforts over the years and have respected your for them. But believe me, our friendship is not beyond me telling you if you are playing a wack azz record LOL And you have seen me run up on the booth in Pdox and do it to Spen LOL *paid for it later, but none the less I spoke my peace * LOL LOL.

But me having a preference of music or a song, or stating that the DJ community in Balto is not unified and yall be fronting sometimes is not half the problem that goes on as you stated.

The problem is:
Not being ok with personal agendas, because WE all want to succeed in stabilizing Bmore's Underground Scene and want to prosper while doing so, and if ANY ONE DJ posting here denies that then they are the undercurrent of the problem you perceive to exist.

Plain and simple:
No matter what ideas are discussed and what ever brainstorming that may occur, it is still applied to individuals and THEIR prosperity and there is NOTHING wrong with that. Just do it honorably, thats all Im saying. So if this perspective is view'd as "part of the problem: Tuff Titty, it exists and trust Im not the only one who feels this way. graemlins/conf44.gif

Im done with this thread, and Biskit I work in Gaithersburg I know I cant attend but you can surely call me and do a conf-call. I game as hell!

Hetep!!!

[Jay Rags]

In the defense of Baltimore dj's and Producers and far as unity and sharing knowledge goes:

I know for a fact that the dj's in Baltimore help other dj's in Baltimore. Almost all the dj's on this thread and in Bmore in General can point to another Bmore dj that took them under their wing and passed along tricks of the trade. I can't tell you how many dj's have gotten knowledge from other Bmore dj's/producers.

If you take a close look at some of the discographies from Bmore you'll notice that most of the dj's/producers/artists have worked with each other at some point and gained something from it. I think human nature dictates that some relationships will stray. But I can connect most of the dj's in Bmore with a mentor or someone they learned from. That is more than a lot of cities have going for it.

One thing I have noticed though is that when 1 dj/producer/artist gets too much praise, the hateration comes out. Sometimes when I mention little collaborations of an event/party, I get the 'I don't think so' look. They might not say no, but I feel it. The Soul Fiesta will rise again and I am going to be looking for some of you. That thing in Druid Hill Park or somewhere is going to happen so get ready. (SuzanneT, David(ICB), Me, Biskit) are already willing to help get it going. Who else wants to step up? We don't have to sit around for someone who defends the position of the Red Maple to make the decision of dj line-ups either.

[Jay Rags]

Someone else help me think of some unified ideas out there? I suggested the package give-a-way at the last real, soulful, Red Maple party which went well.

Here's some ideas already:

1. Many people have been willing to participate in the Druid Hill Park event. We could break it down into record labels, party affilliations(Sugar,Good V,Kohesive,Poji,BBoys),whatever....
(Everyone could put together some promo packages of their own to give to house headz or other dj's. (I'll chip in a LITTLE money myself if some of you will.

2. A WMC return party with some of the dj's playing their new stuff and new music from around the industry. This type of thing is the politics of promoting your material. Don't make me throw this party myself!!

Since a lot of dj's don't play music from other dj's often, this would be some chances for the Bmore House heads to hear everybody's music and not be cheated into only hearing one sound.

So here you have it, I'm throwing ideas out here and not just talking about what we should be doing. Who in the @#@$ is with me? graemlins/bighug.gif

[ December 19, 2003, 11:25 AM: Message edited by: jay rags ]

[KBig]

Wonderful JRags... I said I was... done but

Im in. Whatever you need me to do... chu gat dat mang
The return party from the WMC is a HUGE idea. hail.gif

[SuzanneT]

Originally posted by jay rags:
Someone else help me think of some unified ideas out there? I suggested the package give-a-way at the last real, soulful, Red Maple party which went well.

Here's some ideas already:

1. Many people have been willing to participate in the Druid Hill Park event. We could break it down into record labels, party affilliations(Sugar,Good V,Kohesive,Poji,BBoys),whatever....
(Everyone could put together some promo packages of their own to give to house headz or other dj's. (I'll chip in a LITTLE money myself if some of you will.

2. A WMC return party with some of the dj's playing their new stuff and new music from around the industry. This type of thing is the politics of promoting your material. Don't make me throw this party myself!!

Since a lot of dj's don't play music from other dj's often, this would be some chances for the Bmore House heads to hear everybody's music and not be cheated into only hearing one sound.

So here you have it, I'm throwing ideas out here and not just talking about what we should be doing. Who in the @#@$ is with me? graemlins/bighug.gif John, I'm with ya 100%.
btw nice meeting you at Sanctuary last friday. graemlins/bighug.gif

[mhd]

how about an event to coincide with Morgan's homecoming?

[DJ OJI]

Originally posted by KBig:

DJ Courtesy: BIG PROBLEM !!! In case you dont know... it is rude to waltz up in a spot if you are a DJ... You know the DJ who is spinning... and you dont go up to the booth and show the DJ love. Dayum at least speak.
I have seen this done quite a bit!!! Why go if you aren't a fan or want to enjoy the DJ's music?? :eek: :eek: :eek:
Shit thats reconnaissance LOL mind as well work for the gubmint

Also.... If you "acquire, or commondere* a track of a fellow DJ( and it didnt come from the DJ!!!) and you don't inform them that "hey got your music and I want to play i".. THAT IS FOUL!!! Producers like Oji/Pope, Karizma,Spen and the BBoys work hard on there creations, at least respect the creation process and let the DJ's know when you have their shit! Its a helluva compliment that you want to play it... its and insult when you dont want them to know you are giving them props. That is SHADY!!

Kelly when I ended my comments the other day it was because I had to go, not because I am afraid to say what needs to say. And yes, there are politics. That's just the way it is. There is much behind the scenes that you don't know and I personally don't see benefit it announcing in a public forum.
However, on the comments that you made (quoted above) about DJ courtesy I will speak to. I actually happen to agree with you. If you don't like the DJ's style, then don't come to the party. If you are there and you know the DJ, then come to the booth and say what's up. I am not sure who you were talking about (I really don't care to know) but majority of us have respect for eachother and do or have conversed in person, by telephone and via email.
What you don't know is that alot of bridges have been burned. I will tell you that any DJ who has burned a bridge or seems to have trouble communicating with others has his ownself to blame. You reep what you sow. Again, I refuse to go into details because it is not relevant "world news". However, I can tell you that DJ Courtesy has been violated by some and perhaps "what goes around comes around" That's all I can say about that. Those who are on the inside looking out know and we are all cool with that. Nobody will allow themselves to be burned twice.
Now concerning you my sister. You are a respected dancer in the community. Agreed? Perhaps some might even say you are the life of the party. So lets say for example, we have a room full of people. Some of which are there for the first time. A song comes on that "You" don't like. You never even heard it before. It doesn't move you right away. In most cases this is because you may not have ever heard it before. Maybe it will grow on you maybe it will not. You have a few choices.
1.You can leave the dance floor until the next song.
2.You can try to embrace new music.
3.Or you can do as I have seen you do on countless occassions, stand in the middle of the dance floor with your hand on your hips...whispering some whack DJ story to a neighbor or perhaps you will even shout out loud that you don't like what's happening.
How does this help? Who does this help? Certainly not the DJ. Certainly not the newcomer to our scene. If you represent "House" and you stand in your own home protesting...how welcome will visitors feel? You are bringing the party DOWN! Its counter-productive. I can guarantee you that I know at least 10 Djs who can testify to the same story. So, think about it boo.

We all have our own camps. There is nothing wrong with that, but we all represent the same place. Majority of us get along. Those who don't should not be expected to and we have all thrived and survived for years without them. So who cares? The true players are playing. The game is getting better.

Peace,
Oji

[Jay Rags]

Damn Suzanne!! I did not realize that was you even after you told me your name. I would have wanted to give you a big hug and thank you for your support of the bbc. Baltimore and DC is so small and yet seems like a world apart.

[Jay Rags]

Originally posted by mhd:
how about an event to coincide with Morgan's homecoming? Wow. Morgan's homecoming is all the way in October. How would we market this? Could we call Alumni, as well as anybody who wants to come? Many of us went to Morgan State but I think those kids over their now are from all over the country now and like a lot of hip-hop and R&B. I don't know about this one too much. I'll have to follow someone else's lead on this one.

[KBig]

I totally agree Oji. And as for me Im too old to change LOL. And I had no idea you paid attention to me when I am *cough cough* displeased LOL CTFU.

But Im not readjusting how I choose to display my reactions for the "betterment of House" thats laughable and that individualistic element is not the level that I am dealing with . I wouldn;t dare ask you, my brotha' to change how you feel nor dictate to you how you should respond to a "dancing moment". You have a right to your individual tastes, viewpoints, ect ect and to ask you to mask any of that for the advancement of any "movement" is not only ineffective but disingenuous.

I will say I respect you to the utmost DCM...*Oji*
and most of the DJs from Balto get my respect for the work they do, most not all. Read my commentary this month on BBC. I choose to express myself in the ways that you have observed and many you aren't aware of.

Its my opinion that in a realm that feeds off of praise, adjulation,acclaim, and is response-based profession...
EGO is laced very heavily thoughout the fabric of DJ'ing. And it permeates all facets of the music industry. Unfortunately the ego is quite fragile and powerful at the same time.
Thin-skinned DJ's tend to be the one's with the least integrity.

I have made numerous suggestions, and I realize that in order to move fwd on ANY suggestion or idea.... the ego must be dealt with and placed in the background, but reality is something we mere mortals tend not to want to deal with . Thats all I have been saying Oji

moving on...

Question: How important is "residency" and how hard has it been for any of you to establish your self as a resident DJ somewhere... Im curious to know

[DJ OJI]

Originally posted by KBig:

But Im not readjusting how I choose to display my reactions for the "betterment of House" thats laughable and that individualistic element is not the level that I am dealing with . And that's the bottom line. You are not willing to do yourself, what it is that you are suggesting that evryone else does. At least not for "the betterment of House"

[Jay Rags]

Hey Biskit. I thought I saw Tim Watts at the Sky Lounge on Thursday(12.18). The next time you have an opportunity to speak with him ask him if that was him. He was hovering near the dj booth with a gray suit on. Probably wasn't him though. graemlins/acclaim.gif

[DJ Biskit]

"So lets say for example, we have a room full of people. Some of which are there for the first time. A song comes on that "You" don't like. You never even heard it before. It doesn't move you right away. In most cases this is because you may not have ever heard it before. Maybe it will grow on you maybe it will not. You have a few choices.
1.You can leave the dance floor until the next song.
2.You can try to embrace new music.
3.Or you can do as I have seen you do on countless occassions, stand in the middle of the dance floor with your hand on your hips...whispering some whack DJ story to a neighbor or perhaps you will even shout out loud that you don't like what's happening.
How does this help? Who does this help? Certainly not the DJ. Certainly not the newcomer to our scene. If you represent "House" and you stand in your own home protesting...how welcome will visitors feel? You are bringing the party DOWN! Its counter-productive. I can guarantee you that I know at least 10 Djs who can testify to the same story. So, think about it boo."


Now KBig, you and go way back so i'm gonna say this, I have to agree with OJI on this. I have seen you do this numerous times and I have even impressed upon you not to do this but Corona always wins out. You have done this to me several times. (Yes you have!!) We as DJ's have a difficult job as it is without having that one person who feels that the music is not up their standards and decides to take matters into their own hands. It has nothing to do with ego's because I myself as well as most other DJ's can take constructive criticism but what you do sometimes is downright disrespectful to the DJ as well as the party and the vibe! Its called "Heckling" and it ain't cute. graemlins/nono.gif

If a record comes on and you are the only one not dancing but everyone else around you is dancing then the problem is not the music!! I agree, its serves no purpose!

[DJ Biskit]

John,

Tim in a gray suit?!?! Naaawwww, I'm pretty sure it wasn't him. graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[Jay Rags]

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[KBig]

I thought I saw him too John LOL. I wasnt sure, too many Coronas.

He was grooving too

[KBig]

Im not denying it At ALL LOL!!!! Im passionate about my music, and I dont expect much from others but from certain folk who I deem exceptional I do. A your right with Corona in my tank lawd knows I can act up graemlins/jpshakehead.gif I will and have openly apologized for any Disrespect its never intended but that is also subjective too Biskit. If Im not feeling the music,then Im not feeling it, it tends to be more exaggerated when Im drinking I admit that but I refuse to take responsibility for others around me. Im animated and energetic and my intensity is consistent. But I will definitely keep in mind what you all have said. But that's my PERSONAL reaction to music not the DJ personally. Now I could understand if my reaction cost someone money,a job or harm...
it doesnt its my passion ...expressed. I not changing my expression... period.

[KBig]

I have asked questions, made suggestions (several) and was down to participate in helping, and there is more concern for "How I show dissatisfaction for what a DJ plays" than commenting on the suggestions or answering questions
Wowsers :eek: what an important focal point LOL LOL graemlins/rofl.gif

and for the record Karizma has experienced my rath as well graemlins/rofl.gif It aint partial at all LOL LOL
Imma equal opportunity type of gal LOL LOL *snort*

Like I said ... this industry is very ego driven and the last couple of posts support it... Dayum DJ's who are more concerned with one drunks girl's reaction to a song on the dancefloor is *shaking my head* rather than being concerned with more important things... Didnt know I had soooooooooooo much power graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

The best thing about this convo is that it truly is amongst peers and friends... Biskit just for that you can buy me a Corona tonite @ Sugar LOL LOL and Oji you better gimme my hug tonite if I see you ... you can get me the other Corona LOL

[DJ Biskit]

KBig,

Just addressing a point that was made. Its not all about you!! :rolleyes: Laaawd!! And once again its not about ego, its about respect. graemlins/respekt.gif

But anyway, I am down for the WMC return party. I thinks thats a good idea sice I know cats are holding off the goodies until that time.

And KBig, the Coronas are off limits to you 2nite!! graemlins/all_coholic.gif Cuz I said so!! LOL!!

[Jay Rags]

Goodie: Arnold Jarvis "Love of My Life" produced by the Basement Boys on WestEnd(westendrecords.com)

They already got it for sale for $.99 in downloadable format. This is the shit

Another note:

WMC return party
(Me, Biskit, Kelli, who else?)

Druid Hill Park
(me,David(ICB), SuzanneT, Biskit, Kelli,Who else?)

[DLow]

Originally posted by jay rags:
Goodie: Arnold Jarvis "Love of My Life" produced by the Basement Boys on WestEnd(westendrecords.com)

They already got it for sale for $.99 in downloadable format. This is the shit

Another note:

WMC return party
(Me, Biskit, Kelli, who else?)

Druid Hill Park
(me,David(ICB), SuzanneT, Biskit, Kelli,Who else?) Put a brother down.... :D

[Jay Rags]

Bumpty-bump!! graemlins/tongueout.gif

[INNER CORNER BAND]

Originally posted by jay rags:
Bumpty-bump!! graemlins/tongueout.gif yeah yeah yeah yeah we can do the damn graemlins/acclaim.gif graemlins/snoopy.gif