"Dont destroy my..er your oil tanks"

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Unbelievable

[Bold Soul]

I read the speech over the internet because I couldn't catch the broadcast, but it was edited to read "Do not destroy oil fields."

Wow. Did he really slip up like that? If so, Bush is the most Freudian slip-prone president to ever hold office. graemlins/rofl.gif

[JoeB]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
I read the speech over the internet because I couldn't catch the broadcast, but it was edited to read "Do not destroy oil fields."

Wow. Did he really slip up like that? If so, Bush is the most Freudian slip-prone president to ever hold office. graemlins/rofl.gif i don't actually remember him saying that Bold Soul but i could be wrong. i still don't think he was very convincing and hearing the callers on c-span afterwards was very disheartening because a lot of them seemed to repeating the rhetoric that is being shoved down our throats and that itself is not enough for us to sacrifice a lot of our men and women in the armed forces.

[simon b]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
Unbelievable War, or some sort of invasion seemed inevitable at this point, but his message tonight seemed more directed at the Iraqi people than the American people. He wasn't, to put it midly, really giving off a "good vibe" tonight....

Frankly, I'm quite worried how far this is going to go.

[Bold Soul]

Frontline has been running a program on the history of Iraq and Saddam Hussein. Iraq should have been liberated twenty-five years ago. The man is a walking atrocity, and he is in power because of political collusion by the USA, Germany, Russia and France. The conditions for his ascension were created by Britian's conquest.

This is the stuff we don't get on the news. Frontline is categorically a powerful and unbiased news program. So much information as to why Iraq and North Korea are on the hit list now.

Some powerfully relevant arguements for preemptive force and how strategies of preemption and unilateral action were suggested by Wolfowitz to then President George H.W. Bush but were shelved due to discomfort by his administration.

[C hristian]

I used to work for an Iraqi opposition group.
I know the history of Saddam.
No one is saying he is a nice guy.
No one is saying he shouldn't be where he is.

But us to go in there, and take him out, and tell the world that we are going in there to remove a leader from power?

If you don't think that is bad karma, than you just wait and see. Come back to me a year from now. You can't even grasp the world-wide ramifications of this.

[Jamie 3:26]

I heard it loud and clear.Bush is full of it.I have satyed away from this circus,due to the fact that I do not like having my intelligence challeged by idiots.We are about to be the outcasts of the free world.

It was good to hear about the party member in England resigning.There will be a lot of fallout from this in England I am sure.

I saw part of the special where they were talking about how they were going to attack Iraq and the size-up of armies.

There is no way that thousands of innocent people will not die from this attack....on both sides.They were even talking about using that MOAB bomb.

What I don't get is the cia has some of the best assasins on roll.Why in the hell couldn't they just put a hit out on my mans?

This just isn't going to be pretty and I am honestly afaraid of the fallout from this.To hear Bush say folks in Iraq will be charged with war crimes was the most ironic thing I heard from his lying mouth tonite.

I don't believe in the devil,but if there ever was a person who signified this,he would be the president.He is a truly evil man.This is all about greed.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by C hristian:
I used to work for an Iraqi opposition group.
I know the history of Saddam.
No one is saying he is a nice guy.
No one is saying he shouldn't be where he is.

But us to go in there, and take him out, and tell the world that we are going in there to remove a leader from power?

If you don't think that is bad karma, than you just wait and see. Come back to me a year from now. You can't even grasp the world-wide ramifications of this. I don't think anything. I just thought it was an informative program. Informative. You know...getting facts before deciding to make judgements. Yea. That kind of informative.

It isn't about Bush. It isn't about oil. It's about a whole lot more and it's about tomorrow, not today. Sad days are ahead.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
Unbelievable "oily to bed oily to rise"

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[C hristian]

Bold Soul -

maybe we are in agreement, but I just don't see the angle you are "attacking" it from.

that's ok.

you are right. sad days ahead. for me, i remember clearly when a slow depression started in. It started over 2 years, as soon as the Prez election outcome was in question. As soon as Florida was declared for Gore and then for Bush.

Believe it or not, I am not always partisan. I would have voted for McCain if he had a shot. I try to vote for a candidate for that kind of high office based on what i percieve is the essence of their character. Back when W. first became a serious Prez candidate, I was working at NPR cutting up their audio. I was tuned in, I was listening to this guy. I was understanding every little impudent nuance this guy uttered. From day 1, I have had it out for him, as I saw his arrogance the likes of which I didn't even see in Newt. And I have studied Newt. I've had conversations with Newt. Newt doesn't even come close.

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
I heard it loud and clear.Bush is full of it.I have satyed away from this circus,due to the fact that I do not like having my intelligence challeged by idiots.We are about to be the outcasts of the free world.

It was good to hear about the party member in England resigning.There will be a lot of fallout from this in England I am sure.

I saw part of the special where they were talking about how they were going to attack Iraq and the size-up of armies.

There is no way that thousands of innocent people will not die from this attack....on both sides.They were even talking about using that MOAB bomb.

What I don't get is the cia has some of the best assasins on roll.Why in the hell couldn't they just put a hit out on my mans?

This just isn't going to be pretty and I am honestly afaraid of the fallout from this.To hear Bush say folks in Iraq will be charged with war crimes was the most ironic thing I heard from his lying mouth tonite.

I don't believe in the devil,but if there ever was a person who signified this,he would be the president.He is a truly evil man.This is all about greed. Jamie,

Robin Cooke was the first but not the last, Claire Short will probably be the 3rd, see below: -

Blair suffers second resignation

"Tony Blair has been hit by another ministerial resignation as he prepares to ask MPs to back "all means necessary" to deal with Iraq.
Health Minister Lord Hunt of Kings Heath follows in the wake of cabinet minister Robin Cook, who quit on Monday because he objected to military action being taken against Iraq without a fresh UN mandate. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2859189.stm

[ March 18, 2003, 02:54 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[Cheddar]

The simple fact that the word "OIL" was even uttered...should really make those unaware..aware that this is about more than terrorism.
This is Gangsta..too bad GWB is the WangkSta.

[ChiJAM]

I didn't hear the Freudian slip. However, his very first direct warning to the Iraqi soldiers was to refrain from destroying the oil wells. THEN, he warned against them using bio. or chem. weapons. I haven't read the transcript, but that's the way I recall it from watching last night.

ChiJAM

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by ChiJAM:
I didn't hear the Freudian slip. However, his very first direct warning to the Iraqi soldiers was to refrain from destroying the oil wells. THEN, he warned against them using bio. or chem. weapons. I haven't read the transcript, but that's the way I recall it from watching last night.

ChiJAM I dont think there was a slip at all.

[djmarbll]

I don't think it was Freudian slip either. Bush is subconsciously telling Iraq that we want your oil while the phony illusion of a democratic Iraq (devoid of Saddam Hussien) is used as a justification. The U.S. along with Britain helped to create Hussein. We financed him and Bin-Laden beginning in 1979 when the U.S. gave Bin-Laden $10 million to fight in Afghanistan against Russia. Now we're crying foul because of a Frankenstein we can't control? What makes Hussein any more dangerous than any other foul leader America has financed? There are valid points for and against the war, but after hearing and reading Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Larry Elders, Nate Clay, Gore Vidal, Frontline magazine, right-wing journals, left-wing journals, Robin Cook's resignation speech,
and the posts on this page, I'm convinced that this is still a war for oil and not against terrorism. George Bush Jr. didn't just accidentally appoint his present administration because they were primarily former oil and energy executives.
1. George Bush Sr. -- Carlyle Group
Bin-Laden's family was also associated with this merchant banking firm specializing in buyouts of defense and aerospace companies. Carlyle Group also owns the firms that make the equipment, vehicles, and munitions for the U.S. military. Carlyle Group also owns the Frech newspaper Le Figaro and the company that bottles Dr. Pepper. Frank Carlucci (former CIA) is the company's chairman. Donald Rumsfield was Carlcci's college roommate at Princeton.
2. Donald Rumsfield -- from Occidental Energy
3. Dick Cheney -- former CEO of Halliburton Oil and Energy
Cheney's Halliburton sold Iraq $23.8 million worth of oil industry parts and equipment in 1998. In August of 2000 (on ABC tv's "This Week" with Sam Donaldson) Cheney lied about and covered up his company's involvement in supplying weapons to Iraq.
4. Condolleza Rice -- former Chevron Oil executive.
5. Zalmay Khalilzad (special U.S. envoy to Afhganistan) -- former Unocal (Union Oil of California) Oil advisor.
6. Hamid Karzai -- former consultant to Unocal Oil which had supported the Taliban movement and sought to construct a pipeline to transport oil and gas from the Islamic republics of Central Asia to Pakistan via Afghanistan. However, Karzai's relationship with the Taliban didn't last long as he turned against them in 1996.
7. George Bush Jr. even had his own firm, Harken Energy. In addition, Union Oil's headquarters is ironically in Texas.
The illusion is that people want the truth, the truth is people would rather have the illusion.
sf.indymedia.org (http://sf.indymedia.org)

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by djmarbll:
The illusion is that people want the truth, the truth is people would rather have the illusion.Keep quoting that line. Please!!!! ;)

[djmarbll]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djmarbll:
The illusion is that people want the truth, the truth is people would rather have the illusion.Keep quoting that line. Please!!!! ;) </font>[/QUOTE];)

[gabriel]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djmarbll:
The illusion is that people want the truth, the truth is people would rather have the illusion.Keep quoting that line. Please!!!! ;) </font>[/QUOTE]yeah where is that quoted from?

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djmarbll:
The illusion is that people want the truth, the truth is people would rather have the illusion.Keep quoting that line. Please!!!! ;) </font>[/QUOTE]yeah where is that quoted from? </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/rofl.gif

[Basecore Boy]

To many movies for you guys.

Conspiracy theory. MMMM

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by 1343:
The simple fact that the word "OIL" was even uttered...should really make those unaware..aware that this is about more than terrorism.
This is Gangsta..too bad GWB is the WangkSta. Off the subject, I can't believe you are quoting 50 cent. The whole "wangksta" thing came out of the fact that he can't rhyme and isn't clever enough to have come up with another word.
Back on subject, ousting Saddam in itself is not bad. It's the timing that bothers me. Saddam is no worse a person than he was in the 80's when he was a friend to our government. As long as he was ****ing with Iran and not us he was cool. But since he has turned his attention somewhat towards us and Isreal its another story. If Saddam had weapons of mass destruction he would be far more likely to use them on Isreal than us. And since the US is Isreals bitch we HAVE to do something. Also the fact that Bush is calling for Saddam to leave after a few days ago his administration was saying that ousting him was not their goal speaks volumes. This shit is personal. Bush vs Hussein. Finishing what his dad could not. That is why there was not widespread support for the US use of force. And Bush is right, as much as I hate to admit it, They have had 12 years to disarm. But why do something now? Why not five years ago. Why not Sept 12th if they are connected to Al Quaida like he claims. If two years ago if that whole mess in Florida did not happen and Gore had taken office, like the people had chosen, would we be here now. Not likely. It's all bullshit. Bad foreign policy from the 80's are haunting us now. The chickens coming home to roost so to speak.

[domodisco]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
To many movies for you guys.

Conspiracy theory. MMMM If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then chances are, it's a duck. Try looking out there in the world - all of the dots are already there. All you have to do is connect them.

[Basecore Boy]

I love that we can debate. I wonder how many other countries we can do this in without getting in trouble.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
I love that we can debate. I wonder how many other countries we can do this in without getting in trouble. More than you can name...now who's on the conspiracy trip? Don't believe that this country is the only one that has "free speech" - besides ours ain't really free - ask the Dixie Chicks....ask those affected by McCarthyism...ask whistle blowers...ask those that belong to alternative political parties....shall I go on?

[E-Phi]

Exert from Bush's speech printed in Chicago Tribune 3-18-03:

"And all Iraqi military and civilian personnel should listen carefully to this warning: In any conflict, your fate will depend on your actions. Do not destroy oil wells, a source of wealth that belongs to the Iraqi people. Do not obey any command to use weapons of mass destruction against anyone, including the Iraqi people. War crimes will be prosecuted, war criminals will be punished and it will be no defense to say, "I was just following orders.""

Notice that the oil wells came first. graemlins/nono.gif

[konbit]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
I love that we can debate. I wonder how many other countries we can do this in without getting in trouble. Once again, you prove your ignorance.

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1343:
The simple fact that the word "OIL" was even uttered...should really make those unaware..aware that this is about more than terrorism.
This is Gangsta..too bad GWB is the WangkSta. Off the subject, I can't believe you are quoting 50 cent. The whole "wangksta" thing came out of the fact that he can't rhyme and isn't clever enough to have come up with another word.
Back on subject, ousting Saddam in itself is not bad. It's the timing that bothers me. Saddam is no worse a person than he was in the 80's when he was a friend to our government. As long as he was ****ing with Iran and not us he was cool. But since he has turned his attention somewhat towards us and Isreal its another story. If Saddam had weapons of mass destruction he would be far more likely to use them on Isreal than us. And since the US is Isreals bitch we HAVE to do something. Also the fact that Bush is calling for Saddam to leave after a few days ago his administration was saying that ousting him was not their goal speaks volumes. This shit is personal. Bush vs Hussein. Finishing what his dad could not. That is why there was not widespread support for the US use of force. And Bush is right, as much as I hate to admit it, They have had 12 years to disarm. But why do something now? Why not five years ago. Why not Sept 12th if they are connected to Al Quaida like he claims. If two years ago if that whole mess in Florida did not happen and Gore had taken office, like the people had chosen, would we be here now. Not likely. It's all bullshit. Bad foreign policy from the 80's are haunting us now. The chickens coming home to roost so to speak. </font>[/QUOTE]Not attempting to hi-jack.
I dont know how 50 Cent came up with the term..yet within the lyrics/hook he likens Wangsta
to phony, fake, toy..sucker. Fakin' Jacks..
Unfortunately GWB is playing for the largest stakes these days...almost seems like he can care less about consequences...and he is not wearing fatigues. Thats another story.

Carry On

Carry on.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
To many movies for you guys.

Conspiracy theory. MMMM No - it wasn't from Conspiracy Theory. LOL!

[gabriel]

well even if it was from the drunk ass maniac who did too much pcp in the late 70s-early 90s

let us know where it came from you mad1.gif

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
well even if it was from the drunk ass maniac who did too much pcp in the late 70s-early 90s

let us know where it came from you mad1.gif http://www.boldsoul.com

Watch the trailer. *snicker* ;)

[gabriel]

well shit

word up bold soul

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
well shit

word up bold soul There are a number of pro-US illusions AND anti-US illusions. Tell me - where does one fit if he isn't buying either?

[ March 18, 2003, 06:14 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

[gabriel]

somewhere between his hands pressed up against his ears.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
somewhere between his hands pressed up against his ears. Now that's comedy! graemlins/rofl.gif

[djmarbll]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
I love that we can debate. I wonder how many other countries we can do this in without getting in trouble. More than you can name...now who's on the conspiracy trip? Don't believe that this country is the only one that has "free speech" - besides ours ain't really free - ask the Dixie Chicks....ask those affected by McCarthyism...ask whistle blowers...ask those that belong to alternative political parties....shall I go on? </font>[/QUOTE]Exactly... Let's go further and ask some other fellow "Americans" who spoke freely without getting into trouble like Martin King, Fred Hampton, Mark Clark, Abbie Hoffman, Malcolm X, Huey Newton, George Jackson, Assata Shakur, Harry Belafonte, Nina Simone, Gore Vidal, George G.M. James, etc. But wait a minute, all of these people did get into trouble for expressing their ideas freely in America. The truth is more dangerous than any conspiracy theory.