If you only had 5 dollars...why would yo ass go out? [Archive]

Jamie 3:26

10-03-2003, 11:01 AM

I am raising this question because it seems like there is some issues that need to be raised.I got this from a statement TAC said.If we were to raise the cover at spots that catered towards good music and vibes,would folks still pay it?

Honestly,I do not think so,at least not in Chicago.Example:We have the SITH set on Sunday nites here.I have heard folks say they only go there cause it's free and they don't buy shit,they go to their car.Not saying folks ain't there for the party,but most non heads go their to pick up on chicks and be seen.It's still a jumpin' spot.If the cover was 20 bucks,there would not even be a disco/house nite there.

I understand from the broke person's POV,cause I was a broke head at times.I have been out with 5 bucks,sometimes even less than that.

I also understand from a propriotors POV,cause I was in that spot also.

It just trips me out to hear folks try to justify funky shit with non-sense ass logic.If yo ass is broke..STAY YO DEAD ASS HOME!!!

Martin Red

10-03-2003, 11:10 AM

If you only had 5 dollars...why would yo ass go out?

Because your partner has £50

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[ October 03, 2003, 12:11 PM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

C hristian

10-03-2003, 11:18 AM

I DO! Thank you very much! But sometimes, SOMEtimes, SOMETIMES, I just gotta go out!

And BTW, when I was rolling in it, back in the day, I would still not be paying more than $5. I don't drink in clubs. Water or juice. That's it. I don't see any point in it. Let them make that money from everyone else who must have something in their hand, and in their heads.

BHouse

10-03-2003, 11:18 AM

I remember a long time ago, Lil Louis was at the Bismark on Christmas or New Year's Eve. I had like $12 in my pocket. I caught the train downtown... That was a $1 then. Paid $10 to get in... Now I had a choice...Save a $1 to get back home or check my big ass winter coat... What do you think I did??? Checked the big ass winter coat. The whole night I am dancing like I got a fvcking ride home never asking friends I saw there for a ride. I waited until it was time to go before find a ride. I didn't even have money to get nothing to eat at WHITE CASTLE afterwards. I said all this to say, if someone truly wants to hear good music and know for a fact that they are going to have a good time they would sell they momma for the money... Don't crackhead steal to support their habit? That may be a lil overboard, but true HOUSEHEADS are going to be there. Looking at the parties everytime FRANKIE KNUCKLES comes to town...

P.S
I would find it a compliment that someone would spend their last dollar just to hear me spin some records they may have already at home...

[ October 03, 2003, 12:24 PM: Message edited by: BHouse ]

simon b

10-03-2003, 11:19 AM

a. You are a slave to the rhythm.
b. You plan to get by with a little help from your friends.

Some of the best nights I had out were the ones when I left the house with less than $5. Although I'll admit it's been years since that happened.

Clay BoogieDown Bonifield

10-03-2003, 11:54 AM

I'd go out.

I remember in high school digging in the couch for change to get into the party. I remember going to a Lil' Louis party instead of eating.

It's all about the music man

upliftdisco365

10-03-2003, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by BHouse:
I remember a long time ago, Lil Louis was at the Bismark on Christmas or New Year's Eve. I had like $12 in my pocket. I caught the train downtown... That was a $1 then. Paid $10 to get in... Now I had a choice...Save a $1 to get back home or check my big ass winter coat... What do you think I did??? Checked the big ass winter coat. The whole night I am dancing like I got a fvcking ride home never asking friends I saw there for a ride. I waited until it was time to go before find a ride. I didn't even have money to get nothing to eat at WHITE CASTLE afterwards. I said all this to say, if someone truly wants to hear good music and know for a fact that they are going to have a good time they would sell they momma for the money... Don't crackhead steal to support their habit? I understand the part about supporting the bar, but you're always going to come across diehard heads, like BHouse, that would party away their last dollar because of their compulsion and love for great music at a bangin' spot by a killer DJ. Your need to be lost in the music will almost always override your need to "support" the bar.
Your faliure to support the bar may be the ruination of a wonderful spot, but just like the crackhead, there's always another crackdealer. I mean if your a fiend, your not gonna throw the dealer a little extra to cover his overhead for those little bottles and rubber bands and shit.

It's an interesting problem. The upscale party goer has the means to keep your spot running, but what they give your spot in fiscal strength, they drain it by killing it's authenticity. Upscale party goers and heads make and kill your party at the same time in different ways.

djklas

10-03-2003, 12:12 PM

I've gone out many a time when I was flat broke... I don't usually drink so I'm straight there... and either I might know somebody at the spot or I can figure some way to hustle my ass on in there... snuck in to many a club in my day... back in the day when I usually rolled deep that, was part of the fun of the evening .. getting everyone inside... ah the good old days...

And shit if the music is tight and I have no love at the spot and can't break in the parking lot scene can be fun too... if you're out there long enough and the doorman dosen't want you hanging outside his club... sometimes they'll let you in just to get rid of your ass...

djklas

10-03-2003, 12:16 PM

last party I paid more than $5 for was Mancuso in LA, and I could have got in but I wanted to support, they had spent more money than usual on a really nice soundsystem and to me it was worth it...

Jamie 3:26

10-03-2003, 12:22 PM

The main point I'm trying to make is..how in the hell do you expect a club nite to stay open when the heads don't ever wzant to buy anything or can't even pay a cover?The regular folks who come and usually help tap a nite off drinkwise,will eventually leave the spot alone.

The whole 5 dollar issue is this...if you do not have enough money to get there,pay to get in,buy something,you really need to be home.The going out broke just for the music is old and is for kids.Real adults should be able to prioritize and know when they can and can't go out.

This shit is hurting us in the long-run.I have heard this is various places..."The house crowd is cool.No problems like the hip-hop crowd.They just don't drink..."

So until folks start doing shit in private spots,which really needs to be done more often,we will continue to get kicked out of bars,lounges,and clubs,due to the "Gotta party" attitude of some patrons.

Jacques de Doozu

10-03-2003, 12:23 PM

i'm doing this tonight...

JMJ

10-03-2003, 12:25 PM

Nice to hear someone else saying this, even if it falls on deaf ears.......JMJ

djklas

10-03-2003, 12:27 PM

don't get me wrong... I'm not always broke, but if I am that's not gonna keep me from going out and having a good time....

Jamie 3:26

10-03-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by JMJ:
Nice to hear someone else saying this, even if it falls on deaf ears.......JMJ J,I have been SCREAMING this for years.When you are on the other side of things,you see things much differently.

C hristian

10-03-2003, 12:30 PM

how about covering EVERYTHING in the cover? that apporach would be up-front, honest, and refreshing.

I'm not going to feel guilty for not buying a coke. I refuse to.

JMJ

10-03-2003, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Nice to hear someone else saying this, even if it falls on deaf ears.......JMJ J,I have been SCREAMING this for years.When you are on the other side of things,you see things much differently. [/QUOTE]I completely agree. Imagine all the bitching when there's nothing left.....JMJ

Dee-Dee Sheridan

10-03-2003, 12:36 PM

Grits, yo momma do it all the time. graemlins/conf44.gif

JMJ

10-03-2003, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by C hristian:
how about covering EVERYTHING in the cover? that apporach would be up-front, honest, and refreshing.

I'm not going to feel guilty for not buying a coke. I refuse to. We did that with the RELAX parties awhile back. Some cheap ass phucks still wanted to be on a "list" that didn't exist. "I don't pay. I'm INDUSTRY." INDUSTRY MY DICK......JMJ AR15firing.gif

dj c-los

10-03-2003, 12:40 PM

If i had $5.00 in my pocket then it's time for
the SUGAR MOMMA to come to da rescue.
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-pimpin ain't eazy...

lola desire

10-03-2003, 12:41 PM

i think it's much like when we were younger and we'd really love an artist but we din't have the money to buy the album... solution: get a dub from someone you knew who had the album.

many people just don't understand that backing your favorite artists, venues, and party-throwers financially helps those entites to continue bringing you the music you love.

bottom line: enthusiasm doesn't pay the bills.

ultra

10-03-2003, 12:43 PM

:rolleyes:

BHouse

10-03-2003, 12:44 PM

When I go out now I do try to at least buy one drink... I understand the problem. I have grown up with many a DJ and have gone to many a club. But you also have to remember its those die hard HOUSEHEADS that come to your parties where, when and however they can. When people with "so-called money" roll up, they like "man this must be the shit" because they see all these die hard house people celebrating the love of music...

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Haven't you put people on the guess list? Why? For their support or whatever right? They may have bought drinks, but got in free...

[ October 03, 2003, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: BHouse ]

C hristian

10-03-2003, 12:47 PM

JMJ , should have told them to "RELAX"!

:D

JMJ

10-03-2003, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by C hristian:
JMJ , should have told them to "RELAX"!

:D Get the phuck out is much more effective. I don't like mincing words......JMJ ;)

DLow

10-03-2003, 12:49 PM

In my younger years, I most def would've been out, assed out with no loot at a party. Nowadays, I would feel stupid doing that as a grown man.

Jamie 3:26

10-03-2003, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by Derrick:
In my younger years, I most def would've been out, assed out with no loot at a party. Nowadays, I would feel stupid doing that as a grown man. Thank you....

Jamie 3:26

10-03-2003, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by ultra:
:rolleyes: What's that for lady?How ya ass doin' anyways?? graemlins/bighug.gif

lola desire

10-03-2003, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by BHouse:
When I go out now I do try to at least buy one drink... I understand the problem. I have grown up with many a DJ and have gone to many a club. But you also have to remember its those die hard HOUSEHEADS that come to your parties where, when and however they can. When people with "so-called money" roll up, they like "man this must be the shit" because they see all these die hard house people celebrating the love of music...
agreed.

being one of the less fortunate house heads (we ought to start a foundation) generally if i don't have it, i won't go. if i've got just enough, i pay to get in and give mad energy on the dancefloor. if i have enough to support the bar, i'll buy some over-priced water, or have whatever new mixed drink kenspank has had the bartender make up.

ultra

10-03-2003, 12:55 PM

That means I agree with your topic..lol..you know the deal baby!

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ultra:
:rolleyes: What's that for lady?How ya ass doin' anyways?? graemlins/bighug.gif [/QUOTE]

Querck

10-03-2003, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
The main point I'm trying to make is..how in the hell do you expect a club nite to stay open when the heads don't ever wzant to buy anything or can't even pay a cover?The regular folks who come and usually help tap a nite off drinkwise,will eventually leave the spot alone.

The whole 5 dollar issue is this...if you do not have enough money to get there,pay to get in,buy something,you really need to be home.The going out broke just for the music is old and is for kids.Real adults should be able to prioritize and know when they can and can't go out.

This shit is hurting us in the long-run.I have heard this is various places..."The house crowd is cool.No problems like the hip-hop crowd.They just don't drink..."

So until folks start doing shit in private spots,which really needs to be done more often,we will continue to get kicked out of bars,lounges,and clubs,due to the "Gotta party" attitude of some patrons. Sorry, gotta disagree. I often go out and spend $0. Well, lots of spots in Philly are free to begin with, and I'm not really a drinker. Besides, 90% of the time the music is pretty bad, so why should I be concerned about supporting it? I go out because my friends are there, and because occasionally the music is decent, and there's nothing better for me than live music ( I consider dj'ing live music). The truth is, when I am having a great time at a party I buy drinks and tip well. If you are providing great entertainment I am more than happy to pay alot. If you are doing a poor job I ain't spending my $.

Also, different party-goers "support" in different ways. Some deep pockets may support it by drinking, but some heads bring the right vibe, dance (and thus get other people dancing), and make a party come alive. So don't be so critical. The best parties have a mix of people who contribute in different ways.

Mack-Williams

10-03-2003, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Derrick:
In my younger years, I most def would've been out, assed out with no loot at a party. Nowadays, I would feel stupid doing that as a grown man. Thank you.... [/QUOTE]If folks are doing this and they are adults its time to re-evaluate your life. That's up there with 30 and still living with your Momma.

Jamie 3:26

10-03-2003, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by dannyboy:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
The main point I'm trying to make is..how in the hell do you expect a club nite to stay open when the heads don't ever wzant to buy anything or can't even pay a cover?The regular folks who come and usually help tap a nite off drinkwise,will eventually leave the spot alone.

The whole 5 dollar issue is this...if you do not have enough money to get there,pay to get in,buy something,you really need to be home.The going out broke just for the music is old and is for kids.Real adults should be able to prioritize and know when they can and can't go out.

This shit is hurting us in the long-run.I have heard this is various places..."The house crowd is cool.No problems like the hip-hop crowd.They just don't drink..."

So until folks start doing shit in private spots,which really needs to be done more often,we will continue to get kicked out of bars,lounges,and clubs,due to the "Gotta party" attitude of some patrons. Sorry, gotta disagree. I often go out and spend $0. Well, lots of spots in Philly are free to begin with, and I'm not really a drinker. Besides, 90% of the time the music is pretty bad, so why should I be concerned about supporting it? I go out because my friends are there, and because occasionally the music is decent, and there's nothing better for me than live music ( I consider dj'ing live music). The truth is, when I am having a great time at a party I buy drinks and tip well. If you are providing great entertainment I am more than happy to pay alot. If you are doing a poor job I ain't spending my $.

Also, different party-goers "support" in different ways. Some deep pockets may support it by drinking, but some heads bring the right vibe, dance (and thus get other people dancing), and make a party come alive. So don't be so critical. The best parties have a mix of people who contribute in different ways. [/QUOTE]Danny,you do not get my point at all man.Why continue to go somewhere where you do not like the music,people, or any other thing you have listed.That is ass backwards.

Mack-Williams

10-03-2003, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by dannyboy:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
The main point I'm trying to make is..how in the hell do you expect a club nite to stay open when the heads don't ever wzant to buy anything or can't even pay a cover?The regular folks who come and usually help tap a nite off drinkwise,will eventually leave the spot alone.

The whole 5 dollar issue is this...if you do not have enough money to get there,pay to get in,buy something,you really need to be home.The going out broke just for the music is old and is for kids.Real adults should be able to prioritize and know when they can and can't go out.

This shit is hurting us in the long-run.I have heard this is various places..."The house crowd is cool.No problems like the hip-hop crowd.They just don't drink..."

So until folks start doing shit in private spots,which really needs to be done more often,we will continue to get kicked out of bars,lounges,and clubs,due to the "Gotta party" attitude of some patrons. Sorry, gotta disagree. I often go out and spend $0. Well, lots of spots in Philly are free to begin with, and I'm not really a drinker. Besides, 90% of the time the music is pretty bad, so why should I be concerned about supporting it? I go out because my friends are there, and because occasionally the music is decent, and there's nothing better for me than live music ( I consider dj'ing live music). The truth is, when I am having a great time at a party I buy drinks and tip well. If you are providing great entertainment I am more than happy to pay alot. If you are doing a poor job I ain't spending my $.

Also, different party-goers "support" in different ways. Some deep pockets may support it by drinking, but some heads bring the right vibe, dance (and thus get other people dancing), and make a party come alive. So don't be so critical. The best parties have a mix of people who contribute in different ways. [/QUOTE]I think his point is more people are freeloading and having a good time at others expense.

JR JAM

10-03-2003, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
If folks are doing this and they are adults its time to re-evaluate your life. That's up there with 30 and still living with your Momma.And writing your name on the orange juice.

Jamie 3:26

10-03-2003, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by JR JAM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
If folks are doing this and they are adults its time to re-evaluate your life. That's up there with 30 and still living with your Momma.And writing your name on the orange juice. [/QUOTE]Exactly...

10-03-2003, 01:12 PM

If I only have five bucks, I won't go out because I don't like people having to take care of me. When I was younger it wouldn't have been a problem cause friends would always have my back, but nowadays I handle my own. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/smokin.gif

Shalewa

10-03-2003, 01:13 PM

I wholeheartedly disagree. I enjoy hearing live music but honestly almost never go to venues with drink or table minimums and menus that don't appeal to me because, hey I just don't drink that much but boy do I love snacks. If I cannot eat the mimimum I ain't going except in exceedingly rare instances. The proprietors of those establishments with drink minimums and no food don't see me too often and have made a calculated business decision that I am not in their target audience.

I am a consumer (not a flat broke deadbeat) who has frankly been turned off of going to most parties by reading these threads repeatedly. They blame the consumers for the failure of the "scene". You wanna make more money? Change your business model, don't blame the customer/consumer you are getting in the door. Seems to me that you either need to figure a way to convince your patrons to spend more or guess what, GET NEW PATRONS!!! It has been pointed out that other crowds drink and spend more but are perhaps less fun (who's got a dead ass???) at deep sets. Oh well, so be it. Do like my buddy MarkB and work the business if that is the priority and get your clubhead thing off some other way than trying to profit from it. Studio time is way more fun than hanging out with folks trying to make you should buy a drink you know you don't want....

Querck

10-03-2003, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by dannyboy:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
The main point I'm trying to make is..how in the hell do you expect a club nite to stay open when the heads don't ever wzant to buy anything or can't even pay a cover?The regular folks who come and usually help tap a nite off drinkwise,will eventually leave the spot alone.

The whole 5 dollar issue is this...if you do not have enough money to get there,pay to get in,buy something,you really need to be home.The going out broke just for the music is old and is for kids.Real adults should be able to prioritize and know when they can and can't go out.

This shit is hurting us in the long-run.I have heard this is various places..."The house crowd is cool.No problems like the hip-hop crowd.They just don't drink..."

So until folks start doing shit in private spots,which really needs to be done more often,we will continue to get kicked out of bars,lounges,and clubs,due to the "Gotta party" attitude of some patrons. Sorry, gotta disagree. I often go out and spend $0. Well, lots of spots in Philly are free to begin with, and I'm not really a drinker. Besides, 90% of the time the music is pretty bad, so why should I be concerned about supporting it? I go out because my friends are there, and because occasionally the music is decent, and there's nothing better for me than live music ( I consider dj'ing live music). The truth is, when I am having a great time at a party I buy drinks and tip well. If you are providing great entertainment I am more than happy to pay alot. If you are doing a poor job I ain't spending my $.

Also, different party-goers "support" in different ways. Some deep pockets may support it by drinking, but some heads bring the right vibe, dance (and thus get other people dancing), and make a party come alive. So don't be so critical. The best parties have a mix of people who contribute in different ways. [/QUOTE]Danny,you do not get my point at all man.Why continue to go somewhere where you do not like the music,people, or any other thing you have listed.That is ass backwards. [/QUOTE]Well, yeah, the situation I described is a little different from your issue, but I still think there's a place for the heads who don't spend the dough.

As for the situation in Philly, we don't really have any good house parties right now (I will be trying to change that soon with a few like-minded people)with the exception of Afrorykan Vibe. So should I just stay home when my friends are out just because I'm not happy with the music? Hell no! I'll still go and listen to progressive house and West coast boredom just because it is still something and I appreciate every little thing in this "underground dance music scene" even if it doesn't fit my taste exactly. And sometimes there is some good music once in awhile, maybe the kind of stuff I don't know about. This ain't NYC or Chicago so I'm not completely spoiled yet. :D

dj c-los

10-03-2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JR JAM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
If folks are doing this and they are adults its time to re-evaluate your life. That's up there with 30 and still living with your Momma.And writing your name on the orange juice. [/QUOTE]Exactly... [/QUOTE]If your 30 and living at home with momma...then your a DEAD-BEAT LOSER. Any arguement is an excuse. If you're on your own and can't hit the club because of low cash then that's o.k. We've all been through that but if you're at home with $5.00 to your name well...do something quick!

Jamie 3:26

10-03-2003, 01:19 PM

Sister Shalewa,that's not my whole point.Hell,the folks who come to jack make the set.That's not the big issue.

The point is,if you can not even pay the cover,why bother?There's no one shaking folks down dear.It's just a damn shame to see folks come out and they can not even pay the door.better yet,go to a free event and don't patronise.Hell,you got a line down the block for folks who will pay 50 bucks to get in,yet,this person who has gotten in,ain't gonna spend a dime.

That's what I mean by a dead ass.Dead weight...taking up air and space.trust me,if shit went downhill,You know what comes next..."Blah,Blah,Blah has come to an end..."

BHouse

10-03-2003, 01:23 PM

Lets say you throw a party with people that spend mad money, but don't dance. After a while even the big spenders are not going to come out because hell nobody dances... Not saying all dancers are broke asses, but you understand my point...

dj c-los

10-03-2003, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by BHouse:
Lets say you throw a party with people that spend mad money, but don't dance. After a while even the big spenders are not going to come out because hell nobody dances... Not saying all dancers are broke asses, but you understand my point... The problem is the DJ. Good DJ's can get people to move. You ain't hittin the right dance nerve.
:D

JMJ

10-03-2003, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by BHouse:
Lets say you throw a party with people that spend mad money, but don't dance. After a while even the big spenders are not going to come out because hell nobody dances... Not saying all dancers are broke asses, but you understand my point... That's the DJ's fault. Show ME some big spenders......JMJ

upliftdisco365

10-03-2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Shalewa:
hey I just don't drink that much but boy do I love snacks. Goddamn. This should be a T-shirt or something...

Shalewa

10-03-2003, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
Sister Shalewa,that's not my whole point.Hell,the folks who come to jack make the set.That's not the big issue.

The point is,if you can not even pay the cover,why bother?There's no one shaking folks down dear.It's just a damn shame to see folks come out and they can not even pay the door.better yet,go to a free event and don't patronise.Hell,you got a line down the block for folks who will pay 50 bucks to get in,yet,this person who has gotten in,ain't gonna spend a dime.

That's what I mean by a dead ass.Dead weight...taking up air and space.trust me,if shit went downhill,You know what comes next..."Blah,Blah,Blah has come to an end..." If they cannot pay the cover, how are they getting through the door? If folks giving free parties are not satisfied with the revenue generated from the bar they can either charge a cover or impose a minimum. It is really that simple. If the party is worth paying for people who can pay will come and people who cannot will not come relieving you of their dead weight. Now the issue with folks getting comped and not spending is funny to me because frankly someone has already told them they don't have to pay and that their presence is for some reason desirable by comping them.If you expect a kickback at the bar in exchange for the free entry articulate that and let the chips fall where they may.Again you wanna make money and this model ain't profitable? Change it.

Tony Cano

10-03-2003, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
I am raising this question because it seems like there is some issues that need to be raised.I got this from a statement TAC said.If we were to raise the cover at spots that catered towards good music and vibes,would folks still pay it?

Honestly,I do not think so,at least not in Chicago.Example:We have the SITH set on Sunday nites here.I have heard folks say they only go there cause it's free and they don't buy shit,they go to their car.Not saying folks ain't there for the party,but most non heads go their to pick up on chicks and be seen.It's still a jumpin' spot.If the cover was 20 bucks,there would not even be a disco/house nite there.

I understand from the broke person's POV,cause I was a broke head at times.I have been out with 5 bucks,sometimes even less than that.

I also understand from a propriotors POV,cause I was in that spot also.

It just trips me out to hear folks try to justify funky shit with non-sense ass logic.If yo ass is broke..STAY YO DEAD ASS HOME!!! why do you have to call me out in public? you could have just pulled me to the side. graemlins/nono.gif

JMNYC

10-03-2003, 03:31 PM

1) I'd rather have a room full of people with $5 then an empty room...

2) People who have $5 in their pockets today may very well have $500 tomorrow

3) My life is not necessarily based on consumption ... even if everybody else's is

4) I want to hear some music

5) I want to "support" in non-financial ways

And

10-03-2003, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by JMNYC:
1) I'd rather have a room full of people with $5 then an empty room...

2) People who have $5 in their pockets today may very well have $500 tomorrow

3) My life is not necessarily based on consumption ... even if everybody else's is

4) I want to hear some music

5) I want to "support" in non-financial ways Word up JMNYC ...
Would I go out if I had only $5 ... icon_rofl.gif Story of the past year of my life at least ... Frontin' can be funny (especially when you're not a drinker). Seriously though I've gone out sooo many times this past year with sometimes 50 cents in my purse and it hasn't made a bit of difference. Then again, I've lived in this area a while and suffice it to say, there are many kind folk who make having only 50 cents in your purse not a big deal.
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As for the support by drinking thing ... Ain't gonna happen here. I don't enjoy alcohol that much. Sometimes people can show their support in different ways. For instance I've already taken off from work for when Timmy Regisford and Frankie Feliciano come here ... Yeah, the money I'm not earning isn't necessarily going into their pockets but I hope in some way it works out to be support.

biggrinangel.gif

And

10-03-2003, 06:30 PM

10-03-2003, 06:34 PM

And

10-03-2003, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Albert Diaz:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMNYC:
1) I'd rather have a room full of people with $5 then an empty room...

2) People who have $5 in their pockets today may very well have $500 tomorrow

3) My life is not necessarily based on consumption ... even if everybody else's is

4) I want to hear some music

5) I want to "support" in non-financial ways In fact PERFECT!
I feel like this is my battle cry ... graemlins/rofl.gif [/QUOTE]You're only saying that cause YOU'RE one of those $5 people. graemlins/rofl.gif [/QUOTE]Hi Genius ...
You think the two paragraphs I wrote above didn't clarify that? What confused you sweets ... Lemme explain again nice and slow ...

Put MaryJ down ...

graemlins/rofl.gif

10-03-2003, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by 6 23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Albert Diaz:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMNYC:
1) I'd rather have a room full of people with $5 then an empty room...

2) People who have $5 in their pockets today may very well have $500 tomorrow

3) My life is not necessarily based on consumption ... even if everybody else's is

4) I want to hear some music

5) I want to "support" in non-financial ways In fact PERFECT!
I feel like this is my battle cry ... graemlins/rofl.gif [/QUOTE]You're only saying that cause YOU'RE one of those $5 people. graemlins/rofl.gif [/QUOTE]Hi Genius ...
You think the two paragraphs I wrote above didn't clarify that? What confused you sweets ... Lemme explain again nice and slow ...

Put MaryJ down ...

graemlins/rofl.gif [/QUOTE]You're lucky I'm in a good mood. You're one to talk ya, pothead. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/smokin.gif

And

10-03-2003, 06:49 PM

Ladies and gentlemen of DHP I give you Albert Einstein ... I mean ... Albert ..

"Pot Head?" I guess you could call her that ...

http://www.srcconline.org/missiontrips/2002/honduras/images_large/pot%20on%20head.jpg

Alright I'll stop ... biggrinangel.gif

mhd

10-03-2003, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by 6 23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMNYC:
1) I'd rather have a room full of people with $5 then an empty room...

2) People who have $5 in their pockets today may very well have $500 tomorrow

3) My life is not necessarily based on consumption ... even if everybody else's is

4) I want to hear some music

5) I want to "support" in non-financial ways Word up JMNYC ...
Would I go out if I had only $5 ... icon_rofl.gif Story of the past year of my life at least ... Frontin' can be funny (especially when you're not a drinker). Seriously though I've gone out sooo many times this past year with sometimes 50 cents in my purse and it hasn't made a bit of difference. Then again, I've lived in this area a while and suffice it to say, there are many kind folk who make having only 50 cents in your purse not a big deal.
--
As for the support by drinking thing ... Ain't gonna happen here. I don't enjoy alcohol that much. Sometimes people can show their support in different ways. For instance I've already taken off from work for when Timmy Regisford and Frankie Feliciano come here ... Yeah, the money I'm not earning isn't necessarily going into their pockets but I hope in some way it works out to be support.

biggrinangel.gif [/QUOTE]gotta give you respect on this one

10-03-2003, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by 6 23:
Ladies and gentlemen of DHP I give you Albert Einstein ... I mean ... Albert ..

"Pot Head?" I guess you could call her that ...

http://www.srcconline.org/missiontrips/2002/honduras/images_large/pot%20on%20head.jpg

Alright I'll stop ... biggrinangel.gif smart ass! mad1.gif

And

10-03-2003, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMNYC:
1) I'd rather have a room full of people with $5 then an empty room...

2) People who have $5 in their pockets today may very well have $500 tomorrow

3) My life is not necessarily based on consumption ... even if everybody else's is

4) I want to hear some music

5) I want to "support" in non-financial ways Word up JMNYC ...
Would I go out if I had only $5 ... icon_rofl.gif Story of the past year of my life at least ... Frontin' can be funny (especially when you're not a drinker). Seriously though I've gone out sooo many times this past year with sometimes 50 cents in my purse and it hasn't made a bit of difference. Then again, I've lived in this area a while and suffice it to say, there are many kind folk who make having only 50 cents in your purse not a big deal.
--
As for the support by drinking thing ... Ain't gonna happen here. I don't enjoy alcohol that much. Sometimes people can show their support in different ways. For instance I've already taken off from work for when Timmy Regisford and Frankie Feliciano come here ... Yeah, the money I'm not earning isn't necessarily going into their pockets but I hope in some way it works out to be support.

biggrinangel.gif [/QUOTE]gotta give you respect on this one [/QUOTE];)

JMNYC

10-04-2003, 02:48 PM

I take off from work to go support shit and people don't realize that although that money may not be going directly INTO THEIR POCKETS that it costs me MORE than if I came through and bought a few drinks. Sorry, but I'm not here to pay your rent. I'm here to show you love, to add positive energy to the room, to basque in great music, to be part of a community - but inasmuchas I have to pay my rent other ways, there is nothing wrong with you doing the same.

Problem is that there are too many people trying to make a living off this and not enough doing it for love. IMHO if you do it for the right reasons, the cash will come ... eventually. Those who are looking for the big payday need to get with the commercial $hit, cause it's unfair to expect "Deep" and "Profitable" to go together (at least in this country right now).

Just my .04.

Jamie 3:26

10-04-2003, 03:05 PM

Now this is being turned totally around.The point is this..once again,if you do not have any loot,why go the hell out??

Hell,I have made sure certain folks got in free,even when I knew they were broke,because of the energy they brought with them.ya'll making this out to sound like the number one priority is drinking.That's the reason I stated,which seemed to be overlooked,is until folks start giving more underground type events,instead of in bars,lounges,restaurants,this shit will be over.

This is an underground culture and it needs to be treated as such.You will continue to have nites cancelled and see post about nites closing due to folks not understanding the business side of things.Until there is an establishment,better yet,establishmnets that cater to music and dancing,this problem will continue.

Trust me,it ain't all about money,if it was,I would have quit long ago.I have friends making mad loot on hip-hop type events.

It's funny how folks here just jump on one point,then someone else agrees,then it becomes a damn snowball.

Folks are missing the other neccessary points.Yeah the folks who party harty make ya event.Truthfully speaking,Love don't pay the bills.

You have to pay for promotion,dj's,sound systems,security and so forth,yet the whole subject is being turned around into a greed fest.

Cool,don't say I told you so when you see another..."Sorry,the party at ...has been ended thread..

mhd

10-04-2003, 03:17 PM

gotta say it J, a lot of those parties end becauser there are not enough of those 5 dollar folks in there

Ronnie Ron

10-04-2003, 03:34 PM

If you are headed out, you should have enough money to cover your expenses and should be capable of purchasing a drink or two for a buddie or a female friend. if you cant cover that then you really need to stay home until you can afford it.

R-R

JMNYC

10-04-2003, 03:48 PM

This reminds me of trying to go to expensive stores on Fifth Avenue when I was younger. They had to "buzz" you in, because God forbid you'd be in the store without enough money to buy an overpriced item and put commission in the salesperson's pocket. If you only wanted to look, you should buy a magazine, right?

Guess what? Now that I have money, I don't go to those stores to spend it.

And

10-04-2003, 05:02 PM

Okay gents ... Perhaps I should clarify some more. I'm speaking for myself and how I happen to get about town. I'm thinking there might be this image of me at doors begging to be let in knowing full well I have ... er .50 cents in my pocket. Er ... Not quite. I go to a few places here and am aware of and usually prepared for anywhere I have to pay an entrance fee. (Now I've got that half can of soda for 50 cents skit in my head icon_rofl.gif )
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I'm not lashing out at preparedness ... Simply answering the question with a firm "YES." I do go out with less than $5, there are many ways to do it and they don't all involve money or drinking and can still be considered acts of support (when all other applicable factors are considered).

[ October 04, 2003, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: 6 23 ]

JMNYC

10-04-2003, 05:33 PM

the number of funny stories I have about getting into a cab (figuring when I get home I will call my friend to come pay the cabbie) and finding a $20 bill or running into old friends I haven't seen in a while who remind me that they owe me money and proceed to hand it to me, etc. etc. etc.
... all when I left the house with (practically) nothing.

Meanwhile, when I leave the house with $100 in my pocket, I get comped and someone buys me drinks and offers to drive me home. graemlins/conf44.gif

In the end, what I have in my pocket or bank account somehow seems irrelevant...

I've had some of my best nights on no money and some of my worst with a pocketful of duckets. Don't get me wrong though, it's nice to know how you're getting home and even nicer to be able to treat a friend to a cocktail or a ride home ... it's just not always like that (yet). If we take care of each other (no taking advantage! graemlins/nono.gif ) then we're all better off in the long run.

If you come to my party busted, and I know about it, I guarantee I'm gonna buy your ass a drink, 'cause you need it more than I do if you're hurtin. graemlins/remybussi.gif

And

10-04-2003, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
Now this is being turned totally around.The point is this..once again,if you do not have any loot,why go the hell out??

Hell,I have made sure certain folks got in free,even when I knew they were broke,because of the energy they brought with them.ya'll making this out to sound like the number one priority is drinking.That's the reason I stated,which seemed to be overlooked,is until folks start giving more underground type events,instead of in bars,lounges,restaurants,this shit will be over.

This is an underground culture and it needs to be treated as such.You will continue to have nites cancelled and see post about nites closing due to folks not understanding the business side of things.Until there is an establishment,better yet,establishmnets that cater to music and dancing,this problem will continue.

Trust me,it ain't all about money,if it was,I would have quit long ago.I have friends making mad loot on hip-hop type events.

It's funny how folks here just jump on one point,then someone else agrees,then it becomes a damn snowball.

Folks are missing the other neccessary points.Yeah the folks who party harty make ya event.Truthfully speaking,Love don't pay the bills.

You have to pay for promotion,dj's,sound systems,security and so forth,yet the whole subject is being turned around into a greed fest.

Cool,don't say I told you so when you see another..."Sorry,the party at ...has been ended thread.. Do you have any ideas as to how these Underground events catering to the music can go about taking into account all the bills you've listed off. I know I'm using my personal experiences now to relate to what you're writing about. As JMNYC also pointed out, $5 today, $500 tomorrow. It always fluctuates. Keeping in mind such fluctuations, I'm sure in not just my income (and if so, I really need to buckle up), what do you see as a unified way to get more parties to last?
It is sad to see a good party come to an end but maybe this is what needs to happen so people are motivated to find different means of sustaining/supporting parties. Unless cash and drinking really are the "best" answers ... graemlins/conf44.gif

Shalewa

10-04-2003, 07:50 PM

Jamie your attitude is appalling to me. You are essentially saying that folks with limited incomes should not participate in this community. That really, truly sucks and it reflects the tone and the vibe from many of the disproportionate number of industry folks and wannabes who seem to populate the ballyhooed scene that has really soured me on going out. I have been saying the same thing for years now and I whave said it on this very thread already, if you want to change the profit margin, change the business model to one that pays better. Denigrating folks who don't have extra ends won't make you anything and might just cost you more of the collegiality and welcoming vibe that draws us diehards who can and do pay covers than any amount of money can replace.

Yeah man, my old dance class friends have been happily surprised to see me a whole lot more in recent weeks... Party? What's that?

[ October 04, 2003, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: Shalewa ]

Prince HiFi

10-04-2003, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
It's an interesting problem. The upscale party goer has the means to keep your spot running, but what they give your spot in fiscal strength, they drain it by killing it's authenticity. Upscale party goers and heads make and kill your party at the same time in different ways. When I used to throw parties a dozen years back in my college days the cover was never more than $5 for a late night party in a warehouse, youth hostel or art center. When the rave thing came along I could not understand why anyone would pay $20 and up to go to these events. Of course they attracted a very different clientele than the underground house spots we were putting on. Now that I'm doing parties again it's still never more than $5 at the door at venues in the dodgy part of town and most of the clientele is not flush with cash. I don't know exactly why but it's the way I prefer to operate.

As an event organizer you either take your clientele as they are or take steps to get a different clientele.

Prince HiFi

kara

10-04-2003, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by clos7:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JR JAM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
If folks are doing this and they are adults its time to re-evaluate your life. That's up there with 30 and still living with your Momma.And writing your name on the orange juice. [/QUOTE]Exactly... [/QUOTE]If your 30 and living at home with momma...then your a DEAD-BEAT LOSER. Any arguement is an excuse. If you're on your own and can't hit the club because of low cash then that's o.k. We've all been through that but if you're at home with $5.00 to your name well...do something quick! [/QUOTE]hahaha graemlins/beerchug.gif

but maybe it should read,
if you're living at home with momma...with $5.00 to your name well...you probably have no place spending the money you have on clubs

[ October 04, 2003, 09:24 PM: Message edited by: kara ]

JMNYC

10-04-2003, 08:29 PM

hey, everybody has financial "ups" and "downs".

When things are "up" for me, I spend, but I'm part of this community and when things are "down", I probably need to feel like part of it even more. I assume the same holds true for others - whether you've lost a job, spent your check on records, are trying to buy a house or are just plain 'ole bad with your money.

Maybe you have health problems ... there are a million reasons you might not "have the money to go out" but usually those are the times when you need to release the most.

Shalewa, you're always welcome at my parties. Money or not.