Brothers...whats your excuse? [Archive]

The Buddy Love Show

05-06-2003, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
First of all I want to make sure that you are not associating being thin with being healthy...

We do as a people need to take better care of ourselves and our health, but we need to remember that not all of us no matter how much of a gym buff is going to be a size 6. I think what's more important is that we eat right and excercise daily, love ourselves, nurture our spirits... i won't say that being thin is healthy...i will say that blacks in this country are too ****ing fat

and i'm sorry but the best measurement is your bmi scale if your percentage of bodyfat is too high then you are in trouble

too many sisters use the same line of "we all can't be a size six" TRUE but dammit if you're too big youre too big

and before peeps get on the eurocentric/afrocentric shit i gotta be frank...i aint seein pics of fat africans or south americans or carribbeans running all over the place...we as a americans are too ****ing fat and the FAT on black bodies is killin us (ask luther)

best measure...buy a bodyfat scale and see the truth...as thin as i have gotten my percentage of fat is still too high

btw...how many fat old people do you remember seeing (i mean over 80)

Koffy Brown

05-06-2003, 09:09 AM

what's too ****ing fat for you? we all agree that the majority of americans are overweight and unhealthy. so is a sista too ****ing fat because she doesn't look like you want her too....we need to concentrate on getting ourselves to a healthy state physically and mentally and **** concentrating on trying to look like whomever is the trend at the moment....but i do agree we need to get up off our asses, put down that swine, red meat, fried foods, high saturated fat foods, forget about all my children, general hospital and oprah and exercise.

The Donger

05-06-2003, 09:12 AM

This whole country is fat.

The Donger

05-06-2003, 09:15 AM

Star Jones is setting a terrible example.

The Buddy Love Show

05-06-2003, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
what's too ****ing fat for you? we all agree that the majority of americans are overweight and unhealthy. so is a sista too ****ing fat because she doesn't look like you want her too....we need to concentrate on getting ourselves to a healthy state physically and mentally and **** concentrating on trying to look like whomever is the trend at the moment....but i do agree we need to get up off our asses, put down that swine, red meat, fried foods, high saturated fat foods, forget about all my children, general hospital and oprah and exercise. its not about whats too ****ing fat for me but whats too ****ing fat period....i think that bmi (actually i shoud be saying bodyfat percentage) measurements deem that anything over 27% is unhealthy

houseaddict

05-06-2003, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=028963

and besides ya don't even have a fat ass to fall back on ta make it "all good"

we as a people need to get to the thinner land Let me tell you something:
When I travel around this country, I am surprised by all of the heavy people out there. NY is actually thin per capita as compared to most of the other people out there. I understand that there are a lot of people on this board fro all ove the damn place, but Im just looking at it from a NY perspective. NYers are more active on average cause of all teh nergy it takes to get around. We typifcally don't hop in the ride and go to the mall, movies, restaurant, friends, club, work, etc. We walk or take the train and we typically don't have as much downtime. I am not saying thin is healthy, but it helps. I just went to Disney World. That's a funny place cause you get to see a cross section of America and let me let you in on a little secret: America is overweight.

Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand

05-06-2003, 09:22 AM

Two women in my family were too vain, excerised everyday but had very bad eating habits, one got cancer and the other (my mother) got a rare kidney disease (at that time only known for whites to have it), they both died. My male cousin, was big and healthy for years, loss 150 lbs but never drank water or ate healty afterwards (he's dead as well).

The most important thing is to focus on being healthy as well as losing weight to a comfortable state not to what the standards are.

Funny how back in the 1920 thru 50's the average woman size was 14 and curvy (I am a 16 and curvy). Now it's considered obese. Go figure

Koffy Brown

05-06-2003, 09:22 AM

BMI does not tell me shit unless it's a BMI designed for Black people. When I was in the military they went by that, and primarily sista's would litterally kill themselves trying to get to a certain BMI and weight level when in deed the bottom line is that we are built differently for different reasons. If I am HEALTHY that's all that matters...

The Buddy Love Show

05-06-2003, 09:26 AM

I have retracted on BMI and stated that i should be saying bodyfat index

nevertheless..i'm sorry if i'm offending any fatties but fat ain't where its at (healthwise)

we are the fattest nation on eart and die of illnesses that don't afflict others (even those of similiar economic status)

The Donger

05-06-2003, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
If I am HEALTHY that's all that matters... I dunno (I do have a consience sometimes) but something seems wrong when there are hungry kids all over the world who can't have a bite to eat, and our country is full of fat people. It just really bothers me sometimes that this country is full of gluttons.

Wild i

05-06-2003, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
[QUOTE](ask luther)This is the common misconception. Luther's current condition is most probably caused, not by his being overweight, but by his weight constantly going up and down. Doctors will tell you that, yes, it unhealthy to be obese, but it is even more unhealthy for your weight to fluctuate greatly. My sister-in-law was always heavy. At one point she decided that she was tired of it and she was determined to win the battle. She lost 100 lbs in about 6 months, then she lost her life to a massive stroke. Her daughter was motherless at 4 years old. Her husband, who liked her and married her large and could not understand why she was so stressed about her weight, lost the love of his life. They'd already become estranged when she started on the life and image altering path. He was devastated.

In one our previous discussions about weight someone, I believe it was you, Mark, made a reference to the size and popularity of the weight-loss industry being an indication of the importance of being moderate in size (I'm paraphrasing here, so I know that wasn't exactly the point). My response was that when people bring that up, they never talk about the size of the snack food and desert industry. I got no response.

My advice: eat as healthy as you can, but don't deprive yourself. Excercise as much as you are comfortable with, but don't torture yourself. Limit the toxins you take in (cigs, liquor, processed foods) but indulge in the things you enjoy. Moderation in all things. And if you are big because you are happy, then be happy you are big.

Koffy Brown

05-06-2003, 09:42 AM

I'm not offended at all...you think fat I think healthy...and I'm more so of the latter so to each it's own...we both agree that we meaning all need to take better care of our health

GROOVE VICTIM

05-06-2003, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=028963

and besides ya don't even have a fat ass to fall back on ta make it "all good"

we as a people need to get to the thinner land YO, I'm not up north on a daily basis but I can tell you this. I've never scene so many over weight people (no matter what race) in my entire life while living down here in Georgia. The kids at the schools I work for are over weight (I'm talking 1st 2nd and 3rd grade). The food they feed the students at all the schools is fattening. High carb lunches, greasy chicken (MHD remember them steak nuggets). The lemonade is so damn sweet.......

I'd hate to see these kids grow up with an early stage of Diebetes or heart disease. Georgia is already one of the top unhealthy states in the country.

Peace

Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand

05-06-2003, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
BMI does not tell me shit unless it's a BMI designed for Black people. When I was in the military they went by that, and primarily sista's would litterally kill themselves trying to get to a certain BMI and weight level when in deed the bottom line is that we are built differently for different reasons. If I am HEALTHY that's all that matters... Ashaki I got something better than that. I modeled for an up and coming Black designer in the late eighties. At that time I was a 9-10 and was told that I had to much junk in the trunk and my thighs were too big. So stupid me went on drinking, drug binges and had an eating disorcer until I got to a size 5-6. My family was very concerned about me and made me see a doctor. I almost died and didn't know it, never told anyone until recently. But the doctor told me that if I kept it up I would have been dead in a month.

It took almost a year to gain my weight back and start loving myself again. I was conditioned to believe that I was too fat for Black Modeling. Oh I never lost my booty or thighs, I had a small waist (23-24 inches) no breasts and large bottom. Do you know that some of the designers had the nerve to say I wasn't proportioned right and nothing looked right on my body. Crazy things we do for vanity. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

The Buddy Love Show

05-06-2003, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Wild i:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:

(ask luther)This is the common misconception. Luther's current condition is most probably caused, not by his being overweight, but by his weight constantly going up and down. Doctors will tell you that, yes, it unhealthy to be obese, but it is even more unhealthy for your weight to fluctuate greatly. My sister-in-law was always heavy. At one point she decided that she was tired of it and she was determined to win the battle. She lost 100 lbs in about 6 months, then she lost her life to a massive stroke. Her daughter was motherless at 4 years old. Her husband, who liked her and married her large and could not understand why she was so stressed about her weight, lost the love of his life. They'd already become estranged when she started on the life and image altering path. He was devastated.

In one our previous discussions about weight someone, I believe it was you, Mark, made a reference to the size and popularity of the weight-loss industry being an indication of the importance of being moderate in size (I'm paraphrasing here, so I know that wasn't exactly the point). My response was that when people bring that up, they never talk about the size of the snack food and desert industry. I got no response.

My advice: eat as healthy as you can, but don't deprive yourself. Excercise as much as you are comfortable with, but don't torture yourself. Limit the toxins you take in (cigs, liquor, processed foods) but indulge in the things you enjoy. Moderation in all things. And if you are big because you are happy, then be happy you are big. i would agree...except luther is a diabetic..the danger for him is being overweight...as is noted in recent articles he was in one of his fat luther phases..if you are a diabetic thats a death sentence as it means his sugar was off..the result - a stroke...not a surprise

we do it to ourselves

Bobby

05-06-2003, 10:04 AM

I lost 85 lbs on a the LA Weight Loss Centers program. smile.gif

imported_Gman

05-06-2003, 10:11 AM

Excellent discussion as always. I am trying to slowly make life long changes in my eating habits. Adding more fruits, vegetables and grains. I excercise at least 3-4 times a week (biking,tennis or running) during the warm months. Diabetes runs in my family so I'm trying but the weight is not coming off like it used too. I have a women friend who signed up for Jenny Craig and has lost about 65 pounds. The special food you have to buy it way to expensive for me ($100 week).

-G

[ May 06, 2003, 11:12 AM: Message edited by: Gman ]

The Buddy Love Show

05-06-2003, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Bobby:
I lost 85 lbs on a the LA Weight Loss Centers program. smile.gif how do you feel and how is your health now

and congrats

The Buddy Love Show

05-06-2003, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by Gman:
Excellent discussion as always. I am trying to slowly make life long changes in my eating habits. Adding more fruits, vegetables and grains. I excercise at least 3-4 times a week (biking,tennis or running) during the warm months. Diabetes runs in my family so I'm trying but the weight is not coming off like it used too. I have a women friend who signed up for Jenny Craig and has lost about 65 pounds. The special food you have to buy it way to expensive for me ($100 week).

-G G Man

if you can find a way to burn off an extra 400 calories a day you WILL see results...i got a versaclimber years ago for my other..she never used it and now i have it am putting it to good use

i like stairclimbing because you can do it in every kind of weather..some of the units are expensive but this is an investment in you

the other good advice - eliminate sodas and fruit drinks from your diet and cut back on starches...the pounds will melt away

Bobby

05-06-2003, 10:20 AM

When I first started my blood pressure was very high. Now it's normal. I don't sewat as much any more, not tired, dropped from a 49in waist to 34inches, I'm still self conscious though, but I feel great now.

imported_Gman

05-06-2003, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gman:
Excellent discussion as always. I am trying to slowly make life long changes in my eating habits. Adding more fruits, vegetables and grains. I excercise at least 3-4 times a week (biking,tennis or running) during the warm months. Diabetes runs in my family so I'm trying but the weight is not coming off like it used too. I have a women friend who signed up for Jenny Craig and has lost about 65 pounds. The special food you have to buy it way to expensive for me ($100 week).

-G G Man

if you can find a way to burn off an extra 400 calories a day you WILL see results...i got a versaclimber years ago for my other..she never used it and now i have it am putting it to good use

i like stairclimbing because you can do it in every kind of weather..some of the units are expensive but this is an investment in you

the other good advice - eliminate sodas and fruit drinks from your diet and cut back on starches...the pounds will melt away [/QUOTE]I have virtually eliminated soda and juice "drinks" (high frutose corn sryup\sugar water which is all they are).

Now what about real fruits juice (apple,orange, grapefruit). I have cut back on the amount of Orange Juice I drink as well because of a stomach problem. Is drinking large amounts of fruits juices bad for diabetes as well ?

-G

The Buddy Love Show

05-06-2003, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Bobby:
When I first started my blood pressure was very high. Now it's normal. I don't sewat as much any more, not tired, dropped from a 49in waist to 34inches, I'm still self conscious though, but I feel great now. that is an inspirational story...i'm glad your pressure is down as hypertension is a killer ( it took my favorite cousin at age 33 and he was overweight)

Koffy Brown

05-06-2003, 10:26 AM

Also there are certain foods you can eat that are natural fat burners such as grapefruit, cabbage, and some others that help speed up your metabolism...it is important to know that we all have a bottom line weight....

also, like YBI said you gotta exercise...

for me I love walking, I walk to and from work and anywhere I need to go that's within walking distance and time limitations...that's one thing I loved about NY walking....I am also taking a kickboxing class now, but I would like to take my exercise up a notch without over doing it...

Koffy Brown

05-06-2003, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
Also there are certain foods you can eat that are natural fat burners such as grapefruit, cabbage, and some others that help speed up your metabolism...it is important to know that we all have a bottom line weight....

also, like YBI said you gotta exercise...

for me I love walking, I walk to and from work and anywhere I need to go that's within walking distance and time limitations...that's one thing I loved about NY walking....I am also taking a kickboxing class now, but I would like to take my exercise up a notch without over doing it... G..you have got to increase your water intake...period...alot of fruit juices aren't that good for you. If you are going to intake fruits eat the fruits...

The Buddy Love Show

05-06-2003, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Gman:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gman:
Excellent discussion as always. I am trying to slowly make life long changes in my eating habits. Adding more fruits, vegetables and grains. I excercise at least 3-4 times a week (biking,tennis or running) during the warm months. Diabetes runs in my family so I'm trying but the weight is not coming off like it used too. I have a women friend who signed up for Jenny Craig and has lost about 65 pounds. The special food you have to buy it way to expensive for me ($100 week).

-G G Man

if you can find a way to burn off an extra 400 calories a day you WILL see results...i got a versaclimber years ago for my other..she never used it and now i have it am putting it to good use

i like stairclimbing because you can do it in every kind of weather..some of the units are expensive but this is an investment in you

the other good advice - eliminate sodas and fruit drinks from your diet and cut back on starches...the pounds will melt away [/QUOTE]I have virtually eliminated soda and juice "drinks" (high frutose corn sryup\sugar water which is all they are).

Now what about real fruits juice (apple,orange, grapefruit). I have cut back on the amount of Orange Juice I drink as well because of a stomach problem. Is drinking large amounts of fruits juices bad for diabetes as well ?

-G [/QUOTE]oh yes...one cup of orange juice (and i do mean cup) is all i drink a day of juice...i drink flavored waters and amazingly enough some diet colas which have no carbs and no calories

it is very important to note the glycemic index of the foods you take in as some things are quicly converted to glucose

start watching your carb intake and try to limit it to about 250 grams per day 9thats tough)

with a family history this is a great preventive measure and as is now being noted atkins was right about a lot of things regarding diet

djmarbll

05-06-2003, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
we are the fattest nation on eart and die of illnesses that don't afflict others (even those of similiar economic status) [/QB]We are the fattest nation because we are the wealthiest and most wasteful nation.

The Buddy Love Show

05-06-2003, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by djmarbll:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
we are the fattest nation on eart and die of illnesses that don't afflict others (even those of similiar economic status) We are the fattest nation because we are the wealthiest and most wasteful nation. [/QB][/QUOTE]its really about our culture as there are nations with higher stndards of living than ours (few but out there)

djmarbll

05-06-2003, 11:50 AM

My father has diabetes and with him being pretty slim, it helped his condition. However, he still can't let go of the pork, which gives him high blood pressure. As for myself, I think I eat to much chicken because that's the only meat I eat on a regular (pretty much daily) basis. I do eat fish and turkey, but chicken is sometimes the best available food at the time. I do drink a lot of grapefruit and Welch's grape juice. Welch's grape is a very good source of nutrients, and one 6 oz. glass has the equivalent of eating your daily serving of fruits. I should go work for Welch's. ;)

djmarbll

05-06-2003, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by djmarbll:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
we are the fattest nation on eart and die of illnesses that don't afflict others (even those of similiar economic status) We are the fattest nation because we are the wealthiest and most wasteful nation. [/QUOTE]its really about our culture as there are nations with higher stndards of living than ours (few but out there) [/QB][/QUOTE]Our culture is pretty bankrupt, now that I think about it.

GROOVE VICTIM

05-06-2003, 11:55 AM

We live in a throw away society. We throw good food away, good clothes, good cars, and good kids in the trash when we can no longer handle our situation. We allow people other than ourselves raise our own children. We put blame on many people other than ourselves. The term jealousy has been replaced with the word "Hate". We don't want to help eachother out for fear of being overtaken.

Jacked up!!

Peace

lyot

05-06-2003, 01:46 PM

I think the difference between US and EU lays in the fact that in the US the rules regarding food safety are much much less stringent then they are overhere..Overhere, policy is guided in general by the 'precaution' principle. This means that the EU regulation will not allow certain foods to be kept or introduced in the food chain if there's even the slightest doubt or risk that this will entail health risk for consumers. In the US , the approach is much more directed at 'post-factum' intervention. A product will be allowed, unless it's proven as a fact that it's unhealthy. I think the main example for this difference in policy is the whole 'hormones' businnes..The US and EU have great commercial disputes over the fact that we here do not allow hormones to be used in food, since we reckon it 'could' be dangerous on the long run.

I've only visited the States once (NYC) and to be honest, I was quite shocked when I visited some supermarkets (somewhere in Brooklyn)..I do not know if that can be generalised or not, but I was already getting sick when I saw what was exposed there..I'm not saying that i'm a super healthy eater , but I would not be able to live in an environment in which you would have huge difficulties to find fresh, not prepacked food.. Yet, I do want to add that we in Belgium are slowly going in the same direction..

just some thoughts..

GROOVE VICTIM

05-06-2003, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by lyot:

I've only visited the States once (NYC) and to be honest, I was quite shocked when I visited some supermarkets (somewhere in Brooklyn)..I do not know if that can be generalised or not, but I was already getting sick when I saw what was exposed there..I'm not saying that i'm a super healthy eater , but I would not be able to live in an environment in which you would have huge difficulties to find fresh, not prepacked food.. Yet, I do want to add that we in Belgium are slowly going in the same direction..

just some thoughts.. This is a rather interesting statement and I think that people should really understand what Lyot is saying. I worked with a girl from Peru for a couple of months and she had the same feelings as Lyot. She could not believe how difficult it was to find fresh fruits and vegetables when shopping. Her concept of fresh food is not what we usually find and buy at our local grocery store. The only way she could find the food she needed was to find a specialy shop. Unfortunately these shops that IMO are way better than your average grocery are way too expensive. On the other hand, the way this food is processed and grown, you'd wonder why aren't all foods made this way.

Peace

Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand

05-06-2003, 02:35 PM

Speaking of Peru, We were there hiking (to Machu Pichu (sp?) and everything we had to eat was prepared by cooks, fresh and not prepackaged. Hell the chickens were a day old from being slaughtered. The Cooks we had also pre-picked veggies and fruit from the farms we had passed. Can you believe the popcorn was actually popped on an open fire? We even had natural hot cocoa (yes, real cocoa) it made me feel funny but I enjoyed it. I was freaked out at first but then asked why? It's amazing that all these years of convenience we have the nerve to be picky about produce in other countries.

It's strange how our country markets off of the obese rather joining weight loss/fitness programs or eating fast food. Do you actually beleive that there will be a major overhaul of our diets?

Master Kev

05-06-2003, 03:11 PM

Bottom line is you need to watch the food you consume and get PLENTY of excersise. Excersise is VITAL...Also the best thing to do is to eat 6 or 7 times a day, smaller portions of course. You do not have to totally cut out fatty foods or high carb foods as long as they are eaten in moderation along with some real good make you sweat type of excersizing. ANOTHER very important key is to make sure you get 7-8 hours of sleep every night. You do these 3 things and stick with it, you'll see the pounds come right off and you'll feel great.
I am not overweight or fat, but I am out of shape and do have a little jelly belly, not to mention I have been feeling run down and tired a lot lately..and then again I don't get half of the sleep I should be getting either.
I don't believe in cutting carbs or fat out altogether. Carbs and fat need to be in your body in moderation or in small doses. You just need to make sure not to pig out and keep eating just because the food tastes good. Know your limits and when you are starting to feel a little full, stop eating and that's it. Feed yourself 6-7 times a day and your metabolism will surely increase. This way you are not loading all that food into your system at once. Instead you are giving your body enough time to digest the SMALLER portion you just consumed.

Take up jogging, bike riding, fast walking...ANYTHING to get your heart rate up and start to feel better in almost record time. Anything is possible if you REALLY put your mind into it...

[ May 06, 2003, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: Master Kev ]

Koffy Brown

05-06-2003, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Master Kev:
Bottom line is you need to watch the food you consume and get PLENTY of excersise. Excersise is VITAL...Also the best thing to do is to eat 6 or 7 times a day, smaller portions of course. You do not have to totally cut out fatty foods or high carb foods as long as they are eaten in moderation along with some real good make you sweat type of excersizing. ANOTHER very important key is to make sure you get 7-8 hours of sleep every night. You do these 3 things and stick with it, you'll see the pounds come right off and you'll feel great.
I am not overweight or fat, but I am out of shape and do have a little jelly belly, not to mention I have been feeling run down and tired a lot lately..and then again I don't get half of the sleep I should be getting either.
I don't believe in cutting carbs or fat out altogether. Carbs and fat need to be in your body in moderation or in small doses. You just need to make sure not to pig out and keep eating just because the food tastes good. Know your limits and when you are starting to feel a little full, stop eating and that's it. Feed yourself 6-7 times a day and your metabolism will surely increase. This way you are not loading all that food into your system at once. Instead you are giving your body enough time to digest the SMALLER portion you just consumed.

Take up jogging, bike riding, fast walking...ANYTHING to get your heart rate up and start to feel better in almost record time. Anything is possible if you REALLY put your mind into it... What in the hell is up with the tired feeling...I have been out of gas...no energy...it has been scaring me, and I gets plenty of sleep...I think I've been drinking too much lately...

05-06-2003, 03:20 PM

Finally, I just started running again....it's been 2-3 weeks since I ran last before Sunday. Doesn't seem long, but I was really slacking on the Cardio (Eating whatever, too :( ) I usually run for at least 40 mins at a time (It feels good to sweat it all out, again). I weigh 185, but I should be at 175 (my fighting weight :D ).

And

05-06-2003, 04:43 PM

I'm glad someone brought up the hormones in the food here. The American diet is the Franken diet. When I first moved here, I couldn't believe the size of tomatoes and eggs. The 'extra large' eggs in Nigeria would be a small here. Couldn't eat chicken for at least year 'cause I didn't believe the meat was really chicken. There's an amazing difference in taste between the food I eat here and when I go home. It's a shame we have to take supplements in addition to our food 'cause the food doesn't contain enough nutrients on its own. When I have the land and money, I'll have my own farm.

Master Kev

05-06-2003, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Master Kev:
Bottom line is you need to watch the food you consume and get PLENTY of excersise. Excersise is VITAL...Also the best thing to do is to eat 6 or 7 times a day, smaller portions of course. You do not have to totally cut out fatty foods or high carb foods as long as they are eaten in moderation along with some real good make you sweat type of excersizing. ANOTHER very important key is to make sure you get 7-8 hours of sleep every night. You do these 3 things and stick with it, you'll see the pounds come right off and you'll feel great.
I am not overweight or fat, but I am out of shape and do have a little jelly belly, not to mention I have been feeling run down and tired a lot lately..and then again I don't get half of the sleep I should be getting either.
I don't believe in cutting carbs or fat out altogether. Carbs and fat need to be in your body in moderation or in small doses. You just need to make sure not to pig out and keep eating just because the food tastes good. Know your limits and when you are starting to feel a little full, stop eating and that's it. Feed yourself 6-7 times a day and your metabolism will surely increase. This way you are not loading all that food into your system at once. Instead you are giving your body enough time to digest the SMALLER portion you just consumed.

Take up jogging, bike riding, fast walking...ANYTHING to get your heart rate up and start to feel better in almost record time. Anything is possible if you REALLY put your mind into it... What in the hell is up with the tired feeling...I have been out of gas...no energy...it has been scaring me, and I gets plenty of sleep...I think I've been drinking too much lately... [/QUOTE]I know why I have been very tired lately...
#1...definitely NOT ENOUGH SLEEP
#2...hay fever season...allergies are wiping me out..
#3...eating too many carbs (as I have been lately) will make you sluggish or tired
#4 ....been very busy and occupied lately which goes back to #1, not enough sleep

Ashaki, you should be very careful with your alcohol consumption...alcohol is very bad for you. I have seriously cut back on my consumption of alcohol...not saying I don't drink at all anymore but I hardly drink now....last time I got all drunk was in Miami for the WMC :D

[ May 06, 2003, 06:41 PM: Message edited by: Master Kev ]

DJ Timmy Richardson

05-06-2003, 05:55 PM

A MAJOR problem in the inner cities of NYC is CHINESE FOOD. Just the other day I dorve down Gates Ave from Bushwick all the way to the end. Every block has a Chinese restaurant. Some had 4 on 1 block. And these are the short blocks. Fried chicken wings with french fries,or pork fried rice. Fried shrimp, fried imitation crab, fried, fried , fried. They have tons of oil in those holes in the walls. I see all the little girls that are in these places. And that is why they are so chubby at such a young age. Genreal Tso's chicken has about 60 grams of fat.

We need to leave thta crap alone...You wanna eat Chinese ..go to Chinatown..aint no chicken wings there

2121

05-06-2003, 06:59 PM

If I don't quit smoking soon, I'm going to die.

Master Kev

05-06-2003, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by 2121:
If I don't quit smoking soon, I'm going to die. I hate to agree with you, maybe you won't die but you may get lung cancer or emphesyma. My mom just finally quit after smoking for nearly 40 years. She now has slight emphesyma

houseaddict

05-06-2003, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by 2121:
If I don't quit smoking soon, I'm going to die. I hate, hate, hate cigarettes!! My rule of thums is this: No smoking unless its a joint. And no Schwag, dirt or regs. Only kind, hydro, etc. Thanks and good night kids!!

TAD

05-06-2003, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
What in the hell is up with the tired feeling...I have been out of gas...no energy...it has been scaring me, and I gets plenty of sleep...I think I've been drinking too much lately... check your iron intake.

Koffy Brown

05-07-2003, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
What in the hell is up with the tired feeling...I have been out of gas...no energy...it has been scaring me, and I gets plenty of sleep...I think I've been drinking too much lately... check your iron intake. [/QUOTE]True, since I don't eat certain things I use to drink protein shakes, but here lately I've been in very bad habits...I'm very distracted, need to get back on track...

GROOVE VICTIM

05-07-2003, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
A MAJOR problem in the inner cities of NYC is CHINESE FOOD. Just the other day I dorve down Gates Ave from Bushwick all the way to the end. Every block has a Chinese restaurant. Some had 4 on 1 block. And these are the short blocks. Fried chicken wings with french fries,or pork fried rice. Fried shrimp, fried imitation crab, fried, fried , fried. They have tons of oil in those holes in the walls. I see all the little girls that are in these places. And that is why they are so chubby at such a young age. Genreal Tso's chicken has about 60 grams of fat.

We need to leave thta crap alone...You wanna eat Chinese ..go to Chinatown..aint no chicken wings there EXCELLENT Point Timmy!! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

I frequent a Chinese take out where I live and all the black people that come to this place order chicken wings. SOme big as chicken wings too. The wings are greasy as hell and they think that their eating authentic chinese food. Pleasee!!

All I order is chicken fried rice and some Chicken Egg Fu Young and I'm good.

imported_Gman

05-07-2003, 07:05 AM

There should be a law where restaraunts are required to post the fat content next to an entree on the menu. I know we are responsible for what we eat but what these restaraunts are doing is boardering on criminal. Absolutely no regard for your health or nutrition. Timmy, I had no idea General Tso's Chicken is 60 grams of fat :eek: . Madison has lots of Chinese all you can eat buffets which I do go to occassionally. There is probably little regulation as to what someone can prepare and serve you in a restaraunt.. The question I have is if you really knew the fat and sodium content of a lot of food you eat when going out would you still eat it ? I won't be eating General Tso's chicken anymore thats for sure.

[ May 07, 2003, 08:06 AM: Message edited by: Gman ]

imported_Gman

05-07-2003, 07:08 AM

GROOVE VICTIM

05-07-2003, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by Gman:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
What in the hell is up with the tired feeling...I have been out of gas...no energy...it has been scaring me, and I gets plenty of sleep...I think I've been drinking too much lately... Are you pregnant ? :D [/QUOTE]Dunn dunn dunnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!

Either that or she needs some iron in her system.

Eat a steak!!!!

Koffy Brown

05-07-2003, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by Gman:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
What in the hell is up with the tired feeling...I have been out of gas...no energy...it has been scaring me, and I gets plenty of sleep...I think I've been drinking too much lately... Are you pregnant ? :D [/QUOTE]Unless they've deposited semen in my water....oh hells nooooooooooo!!

but there are far too many preggers around here, I better start bringing my water to work biggrinangel.gif

Koffy Brown

05-07-2003, 07:17 AM

GROOVE VICTIM

05-07-2003, 07:24 AM

Haven't had any fast food in about two weeks.

Fresh Scottish Salmon is a natural healthy choice containing many nutritional benefits. For instance compared to hamburger, steak, and pork loin, salmon contains 20 % more protein. Salmon is a highly digestible protein packed with vitamin A and carotenoids, which are thought to help prevent cancer. Additional nutritional benefits associated with salmon, which have been well researched and documented in medical journals include:

An average portion of salmon provides over half the daily allowance of protein.
In addition to vitamin A and carotenoids, salmon contains B vitamins, particularly niacin and vitamin D, which helps a body to absorb calcium.
Salmon contains far less saturated fat than an equal portion of virtually any other meat or poultry protein source.
Salmon is an excellent source of polyunsaturated fatty acids, known as omega-3 fatty acids – these are the “good” kind of fat, which have been associated with reducing heart disease and inhibiting the onset of inflammatory diseases. It is no coincidence that Japan consumes the highest amount of salmon per head, and has the lowest level of heart disease in the world.
Omega-3 fatty acids are a nutritional benefit found in all oily fish and are not contained in any meat and few other seafood products in any significant degree.

courtesy of Wester Ross Salmon (http://www.wrs.co.uk/benefits.html)

Koffy Brown

05-07-2003, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
Haven't had any fast food in about two weeks.

Fresh Scottish Salmon is a natural healthy choice containing many nutritional benefits. For instance compared to hamburger, steak, and pork loin, salmon contains 20 % more protein. Salmon is a highly digestible protein packed with vitamin A and carotenoids, which are thought to help prevent cancer. Additional nutritional benefits associated with salmon, which have been well researched and documented in medical journals include:

An average portion of salmon provides over half the daily allowance of protein.
In addition to vitamin A and carotenoids, salmon contains B vitamins, particularly niacin and vitamin D, which helps a body to absorb calcium.
Salmon contains far less saturated fat than an equal portion of virtually any other meat or poultry protein source.
Salmon is an excellent source of polyunsaturated fatty acids, known as omega-3 fatty acids – these are the “good” kind of fat, which have been associated with reducing heart disease and inhibiting the onset of inflammatory diseases. It is no coincidence that Japan consumes the highest amount of salmon per head, and has the lowest level of heart disease in the world.
Omega-3 fatty acids are a nutritional benefit found in all oily fish and are not contained in any meat and few other seafood products in any significant degree.

courtesy of Wester Ross Salmon (http://www.wrs.co.uk/benefits.html) Wow thanks for the info, I went on a salmon kick about 2 weeks ago and ate it almost everyday, maybe I need to revisit...salmon tonight for dinner...so Groove, eat salmon tonight instead of eating out...

You and G, better quit jinxing me....

TAD

05-07-2003, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gman:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
What in the hell is up with the tired feeling...I have been out of gas...no energy...it has been scaring me, and I gets plenty of sleep...I think I've been drinking too much lately... Are you pregnant ? :D [/QUOTE]Dunn dunn dunnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!

Either that or she needs some iron in her system.

Eat a steak!!!! [/QUOTE]graemlins/puke.gif

other foods high in iron include spinach, pine nuts, apricots, cashews, kidney beans, lima beans, lentils, wheat germ, oysters, bran cereals, tofu, pumpkin seeds and the list goes on & on. eating foods high in vitamin c help absorb iron better into the system.

seafood is good but not regularly due to the high levels of mercury in the water.

Mercury Contamination:

Mercury contamination of seafood is a persistent public health threat that poses a significant risk to children and women of child-bearing age. While some mercury is naturally occurring in the environment, activities such as coal-fired power generation and industrial processes such as battery manufacturing, have redistributed the substance and created mercury compounds that are toxic even at extremely low levels of exposure.

Public Health Advisories:

Public Health Advisories According to the US Food and Drug Administration (January 2001) women of reproductive age should not consume any swordfish, shark, tilefish or king mackerel because they contain levels of methylmercury deemed unsafe for consumption. Additionally, tuna is considered to have high levels of methylmercury but was dubiously left out of the FDA advisory. Several U.S. Senators as well as consumer advocacy and public health organizations have inquired about the omission and a federal investigation into the process is underway.
Tuna fish and other seafood products are the main source of methylmercury in our diet. The term Mad as a Hatter was coined to describe the symptoms that workers in a felt hat manufacturing plant contracted as a resultof a mercury-containing process used in the factory. Mad Hatter symptoms included: excitability, mental instability, tremors, depression,and personality disorders.

Facts About Mercury:

Mercury accumulates in the human liver, kidney, brain and blood and can harm a child's developing nervous system leading to loss of motor skills, mental retardation and other birth defects. Mercury can also cause kidney failure, cardiovascular collapse and genetic damage in adults. Mercury is initially transported through water to fish where it becomes methylmercury. Through a process known as bioaccumulation larger, longer-living fish that feed on smaller fish accumulate heightened levels of contamination. Top-level predators such as swordfish have the highest levels of contamination and pose the greatest risk for pregnant mothers, children and women of child-bearing age. While humans come into contact with mercury through skin contact and inhalation, the most prevalent form of mercury contamination comes through direct ingestion of methylmercury- contaminated seafood. Minamata Disease Methylmercury contamination of seafood jumped into the public consciousness in the 1950s with the outbreak of Minamata Disease in a small fishing village in Japan. Residents of Minamata began developing health abnormalities including dizziness, slurred speech and a decrease in basic motor skills, which occurred in over 3000 residents, both young and old. Public health officials determined the outbreak was attributable to the high consumption of seafood from Minamata Bay, which was heavily contaminated by the direct dumping of mercury from the Chisso Corporation, a chemical manufacturing plant. In all, 46 people died from the outbreak.

WHAT YOU CAN DO:

Chooseseafood that is healthy for you and the oceans. There are seafood choices that are both fished in a sustainable manner and are good for your health. Try these fish for a break: Alaska halibut, wild caught Alaska salmon and New Zealand hoki. For other healthy seafood options visit: web page (http://www.seaturtles.org)

[ May 07, 2003, 11:02 AM: Message edited by: Cosmic_Twin ]

mhd

05-07-2003, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gman:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
What in the hell is up with the tired feeling...I have been out of gas...no energy...it has been scaring me, and I gets plenty of sleep...I think I've been drinking too much lately... Are you pregnant ? :D [/QUOTE]Unless they've deposited semen in my water....oh hells nooooooooooo!!

but there are far too many preggers around here, I better start bringing my water to work biggrinangel.gif [/QUOTE]can't get pregnant by swallowing

Koffy Brown

05-07-2003, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gman:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
What in the hell is up with the tired feeling...I have been out of gas...no energy...it has been scaring me, and I gets plenty of sleep...I think I've been drinking too much lately... Are you pregnant ? :D [/QUOTE]Unless they've deposited semen in my water....oh hells nooooooooooo!!

but there are far too many preggers around here, I better start bringing my water to work biggrinangel.gif [/QUOTE]can't get pregnant by swallowing [/QUOTE]:eek: you sure...9 months later he weighed 8 lbs 12 oz...just kidding

mhd

05-07-2003, 10:00 AM

hahahaha!

SuzanneT

05-07-2003, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=028963

and besides ya don't even have a fat ass to fall back on ta make it "all good"

we as a people need to get to the thinner land YO, I'm not up north on a daily basis but I can tell you this. I've never scene so many over weight people (no matter what race) in my entire life while living down here in Georgia. The kids at the schools I work for are over weight (I'm talking 1st 2nd and 3rd grade). The food they feed the students at all the schools is fattening. High carb lunches, greasy chicken (MHD remember them steak nuggets). The lemonade is so damn sweet.......

I'd hate to see these kids grow up with an early stage of Diebetes or heart disease. Georgia is already one of the top unhealthy states in the country.

Peace [/QUOTE]Hi Groove, My Mom live is Georgia and she sent me an article, Georgia was rated to have the highest population of fat people in the country. Just a little FYI

GROOVE VICTIM

05-07-2003, 10:08 AM

Insane!!!!!!!!!!

Man I wonder how many Incurance Companies are going to come running to Georgia. This is not good at all.

Someone better start making some noise up in Atlanta about these high carb and cholesteral diets these school systems are feeding these kids.

They need to ban buffets down here too. Change it from "All you can eat" to "All you can eat to kill yourself!!!

Peace

SuzanneT

05-07-2003, 10:15 AM

What in the hell is up with the tired feeling...I have been out of gas...no energy...it has been scaring me, and I gets plenty of sleep...I think I've been drinking too much lately... [/QB]Your metabolism is slowing down. Ugly feeling aint it?
Also FYI ladies if you eat healthily and work out regularly and you STILL ain't losing any fat, it could be those birth control hormones, they are like steroids (predisone) and you wont be able to get that weight off until you stop taking them.

freshmaker

05-07-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
A MAJOR problem in the inner cities of NYC is CHINESE FOOD. Just the other day I dorve down Gates Ave from Bushwick all the way to the end. Every block has a Chinese restaurant. Some had 4 on 1 block. And these are the short blocks. Fried chicken wings with french fries,or pork fried rice. Fried shrimp, fried imitation crab, fried, fried , fried. They have tons of oil in those holes in the walls. I see all the little girls that are in these places. And that is why they are so chubby at such a young age. Genreal Tso's chicken has about 60 grams of fat.

We need to leave thta crap alone...You wanna eat Chinese ..go to Chinatown..aint no chicken wings there And they don't have any steamed red buns in the hood either. But there is an excellent new place in the hood for a taste of China and soul food all on the healthy spectrum. People in the Flatbush area (primarily West Indian, African American) might want to try it:

Vegetarian Soul Zen
2460 Nostrand Avenue
Brooklyn, NY 11210
(718)338-3776
Free delivery with minimum of $10.00

For example...

Sugar Cane Drumsticks ($5.95), Peking Ribs Salad ($5.50), Crispy Soul Chicken with rosemary, oregano and basil ($4.95)

I was just passing this take out restaurant this morning and remembered this timely thread.

DJ Timmy Richardson

05-07-2003, 05:34 PM

Today's busy lifestyles sometimes mean we don't have time to cook, or we must eat while we are out. Most choices available in restaurants today are very high in fat and calories. However, there are a few selections available that won't bust your fat budget.
According to Restaurant Confidential, one Bloomin Onion with the Dipping Sauce contains 2130 calories and 163 grams of fat! Leave out the sauce and you still consume 1690 calories and 119 grams of fat, 57 of them saturated.

Other shocking revelations
The average Chinese restaurant serving of General Tso's Chicken contains 1600 calories and 59 grams fat. Kung Pao Chicken has 1620 calories and 76 grams fat

Tenyu

05-08-2003, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by lyot:
I think the difference between US and EU lays in the fact that in the US the rules regarding food safety are much much less stringent then they are overhere..Overhere, policy is guided in general by the 'precaution' principle. This means that the EU regulation will not allow certain foods to be kept or introduced in the food chain if there's even the slightest doubt or risk that this will entail health risk for consumers. In the US , the approach is much more directed at 'post-factum' intervention. A product will be allowed, unless it's proven as a fact that it's unhealthy. I think the main example for this difference in policy is the whole 'hormones' businnes..The US and EU have great commercial disputes over the fact that we here do not allow hormones to be used in food, since we reckon it 'could' be dangerous on the long run.

I've only visited the States once (NYC) and to be honest, I was quite shocked when I visited some supermarkets (somewhere in Brooklyn)..I do not know if that can be generalised or not, but I was already getting sick when I saw what was exposed there..I'm not saying that i'm a super healthy eater , but I would not be able to live in an environment in which you would have huge difficulties to find fresh, not prepacked food.. Yet, I do want to add that we in Belgium are slowly going in the same direction..

just some thoughts.. double word, you have to learn how to ignore 98% of the shit they sell in us supermarkets, with basically nothing being organic or natural, i get ill thinking about the multiple aisles of frozen pre-cooked synthetic meals that come in boxes, neon-glowing vegetables/fruits, and 3 gallon coca-cola bottles, sick. the saddest thing is that as lyot alluded to, this artificial food is big business and they have serious interests in spreading their freedom fries around the world. the new world democracy must entail a prevision for preventing the lowest classes any access to real food. the funny thing is most people around the world dont realize how deep the labrat american tradition is. lyot, just curious, have you ever heard of seedless fruits before?

Donger, americans are not physically fat because the rest of the world is starving nor is the rest of the world starving because americans are eating all of the available food in the world, americans are not responsible, there is a constructed american culture where being unhealthy and obese are natural derivatives of an environment that places nothing more sacred than money... which precedes everything that makes life worthwhile to me such as family/friends, women, music, food/wine, drugs, rollerdiscos, etc. this country only began because some people were looking to make money, and they've succeeded by sacrificing the above.

Tenyu

05-08-2003, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
Haven't had any fast food in about two weeks.

Fresh Scottish Salmon is a natural healthy choice containing many nutritional benefits. For instance compared to hamburger, steak, and pork loin, salmon contains 20 % more protein. Salmon is a highly digestible protein packed with vitamin A and carotenoids, which are thought to help prevent cancer. Additional nutritional benefits associated with salmon, which have been well researched and documented in medical journals include:

An average portion of salmon provides over half the daily allowance of protein.
In addition to vitamin A and carotenoids, salmon contains B vitamins, particularly niacin and vitamin D, which helps a body to absorb calcium.
Salmon contains far less saturated fat than an equal portion of virtually any other meat or poultry protein source.
Salmon is an excellent source of polyunsaturated fatty acids, known as omega-3 fatty acids – these are the “good” kind of fat, which have been associated with reducing heart disease and inhibiting the onset of inflammatory diseases. It is no coincidence that Japan consumes the highest amount of salmon per head, and has the lowest level of heart disease in the world.
Omega-3 fatty acids are a nutritional benefit found in all oily fish and are not contained in any meat and few other seafood products in any significant degree.

courtesy of Wester Ross Salmon (http://www.wrs.co.uk/benefits.html) Wow thanks for the info, I went on a salmon kick about 2 weeks ago and ate it almost everyday, maybe I need to revisit...salmon tonight for dinner...so Groove, eat salmon tonight instead of eating out...

You and G, better quit jinxing me.... [/QUOTE]i would hold up on any salmon you buy in a corporate supermarket which 99.9999999% of the time is selling the new and improved hormone injected atlantic salmon that are farm raised in sardine like conditions to supply the demand as cheap as possible. similar to the way chickens' feet are nailed to the bottom of their individual cages where they remain stationary and fed god know what until theyre big enough to be sold. apparently this salmon is also being pumped with chemicals to alter and intensify their flesh color as to appear more marketable to the consumer. i only know this type of stuff because i work at one of the best seafood restaurants in the country, Esca, where we only serve wild fish and organic produce

Koffy Brown

05-08-2003, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by Tenyu:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
Haven't had any fast food in about two weeks.

Fresh Scottish Salmon is a natural healthy choice containing many nutritional benefits. For instance compared to hamburger, steak, and pork loin, salmon contains 20 % more protein. Salmon is a highly digestible protein packed with vitamin A and carotenoids, which are thought to help prevent cancer. Additional nutritional benefits associated with salmon, which have been well researched and documented in medical journals include:

An average portion of salmon provides over half the daily allowance of protein.
In addition to vitamin A and carotenoids, salmon contains B vitamins, particularly niacin and vitamin D, which helps a body to absorb calcium.
Salmon contains far less saturated fat than an equal portion of virtually any other meat or poultry protein source.
Salmon is an excellent source of polyunsaturated fatty acids, known as omega-3 fatty acids – these are the “good” kind of fat, which have been associated with reducing heart disease and inhibiting the onset of inflammatory diseases. It is no coincidence that Japan consumes the highest amount of salmon per head, and has the lowest level of heart disease in the world.
Omega-3 fatty acids are a nutritional benefit found in all oily fish and are not contained in any meat and few other seafood products in any significant degree.

courtesy of Wester Ross Salmon (http://www.wrs.co.uk/benefits.html) Wow thanks for the info, I went on a salmon kick about 2 weeks ago and ate it almost everyday, maybe I need to revisit...salmon tonight for dinner...so Groove, eat salmon tonight instead of eating out...

You and G, better quit jinxing me.... [/QUOTE]i would hold up on any salmon you buy in a corporate supermarket which 99.9999999% of the time is selling the new and improved hormone injected atlantic salmon that are farm raised in sardine like conditions to supply the demand as cheap as possible. similar to the way chickens' feet are nailed to the bottom of their individual cages where they remain stationary and fed god know what until theyre big enough to be sold. apparently this salmon is also being pumped with chemicals to alter and intensify their flesh color as to appear more marketable to the consumer. i only know this type of stuff because i work at one of the best seafood restaurants in the country, Esca, where we only serve wild fish and organic produce [/QUOTE]Well damn Tenyu...when I do eat seafood, I generally buy it from Wildoats which sales nothing but organic meats/seafood, veggies and fruits...