First filter club track

[Hippie]

OK I just asked Bill Brewster to research who did the first modern filter dance record.Lets see who people give credit for filtering.

[Pete Nice]

good question.... i had someone tell a few months back that it was dj sneak?!?! someone had to have done it b4 him. i wanna know, bust some edumcation on me...
need more input.

[Hippie]

I have my opinion of who made the first filter record but I'll preserve my opinion till some people post there.

[JMNYC]

maybe "Gusto's revenge"?

[Bill Blake]

Ha ha ha

Who ever did it should be stoned to death.

[socratez]

Ken Lou forgot the title, but its that one with the atmosfere dancing outer space beat.

It was the first track i heard with all high frequencys filtered out, Gusto is a close one to i think

[SMOOTH87]

Check out the album version of Hit N Run by Lolletta Holloway. There was a filter sweep in this track. Check it out!!

[jsd540]

Originally posted by socratez:
Ken Lou forgot the title, but its that one with the atmosfere dancing outer space beat.

It was the first track i heard with all high frequencys filtered out, Gusto is a close one to i think Black Phunk on Nervous - Bad ass track - graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[Jolyon]

Love Is In You by Nightlife Unlimited has some filter.

[socratez]

I know wich part you meen, but that isnt a filter sweep. Its a phaser with feedback, has the same effect sometimes. Carl Bean, i was born this way,, has this effect on the rhodes to.


Originally posted by SMOOTH87:
Check out the album version of Hit N Run by Lolletta Holloway. There was a filter sweep in this track. Check it out!!

[eleeut]

if we are talking about "modern," i've heard the claim that Paperclip People - Throw was perhaps the first and that was commercially released sometime in early '94, and i think it was knocking around for a while before that. interestingly enough, it supposedly samples the Hit n Run bassline (don't know that cut well enough to agree/disagree with that one).

if that's so, did you still want to stone good ole' carl for that one, jamie?

[Mah'chew]

Nick Jones? (Music for the Neighbourhood -1992)

Victor Simonelli? (I Know a Place - 1993)

This is a toughie graemlins/nono.gif

[ July 19, 2003, 10:57 AM: Message edited by: Mah'chew ]

[der geile hund]

i:cube "disco cubizm" took it to another level. "Sunshine People" was good, too. But I guess the frogs were all just ripping off DJ Sneak.

[eleeut]

the first daft punk/thomas bangalter cuts definitely had a big impact on the trend. indo silver club and the first trax on da rocks ep definitely wrecked shop when they first showed up. i remember hearing 3/5 cuts of trax on the rocks part 1 being played by Josh Wink @ twilo back in the winter/spring of 96 and getting all kinds of adrenelin when the mids and highs cut out.

a good filter cut is a still a good cut, and it should be a tool in the djs repetoire - it sucks when it's the only sound that you hear for entire sets or, gasp, entire nights.

[suenomartino]

Originally posted by eleeut:
if we are talking about "modern," i've heard the claim that Paperclip People - Throw was perhaps the first and that was commercially released sometime in early '94 I was going to post the same suggestion.. Carl Craig was working that akai filter well before anyone else and 'Throw' is a great example.

[Kenrick _]

Originally posted by eleeut:
the first daft punk/thomas bangalter cuts definitely had a big impact on the trend. indo silver club and the first trax on da rocks ep definitely wrecked shop when they first showed up. i remember hearing 3/5 cuts of trax on the rocks part 1 being played by Josh Wink @ twilo back in the winter/spring of 96 and getting all kinds of adrenelin when the mids and highs cut out.

a good filter cut is a still a good cut, and it should be a tool in the djs repetoire - it sucks when it's the only sound that you hear for entire sets or, gasp, entire nights. agreed on the trax on da rocks ep's.

but i expecially agree with your last statement; one or two for the adrenelin but not all night.

...interested to see more responces on this

[Hippie]

Ok I think I need to clarify. what I meant by filtering is like we do in clubs. Knocking out the bass or knocking out the highs or mids. Not flanging as in Hit & Run. Sorry guys!!!! graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[muel]

Ecstacy, Passion and Pain - Ask Me (Danny Krivit edit.
I was listening to this last night and it has this effect at the start.

[danny webb]

Originally posted by muel:
Ecstacy, Passion and Pain - Ask Me (Danny Krivit edit.
I was listening to this last night and it has this effect at the start. It's a bad assed cut too. Yep, get's a vote from me!

[Kenrick _]

Originally posted by Hippie:
Ok I think I need to clarify. what I meant by filtering is like we do in clubs. Knocking out the bass or knocking out the highs or mids. Not flanging as in Hit & Run. Sorry guys!!!! graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif start a new thread. this one is working out fine as it is (even though you meant something else). smile.gif

i am interested in reading responces on both topics...

[ July 20, 2003, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: Kenrick _ ]

[simon b]

Brick "Living From The Mind"?

[GROOVE VICTIM]

It's a close call. You have to dig into your hip hop records to get an idea where the concept started.


Black Moon "Enter the Stage" Nervous Records

Kenny Dope's "Come Inside" and "Get on Down" from his "Pushin Dope EP"

DBX (Kenny Dope) "And They're aint"

DJ Sneak Moon Doggy EP

The Untouchables "Lil Louie Anthem" part 2


I'm not sure if "And There Ain't" was released before or after Kenlou I and II.

You can even throw in Jr. Vasquez's "Get your hands off of my man" in there too. There's no filtered disco loop, but the vocal sample does have some filtering.

All of these tracks were released between 1993 and 1994.

[Monny JcIntosh]

Of the house mentions, shouldn't DJ Pierre be in there somewhere? "Master Blaster" or something?

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
Of the house mentions, shouldn't DJ Pierre be in there somewhere? "Master Blaster" or something? DJ Pierre's influence is due in part of his Acid background. If you consider him, then you consider just about every producer from Chicago and Detroit.

Peace

[Doug]

It's got to be "Play The World" by Johnick (I can't believe no one mentioned that one). I think that was out before "Throw" by Paperclip People.

[eleeut]

thuggles - did you receive that Johnick cut way in advance of everyone else, because i'm thinking that that had to have been released commercially around 96 or 97. throw has to be older than that one.

gv - there's a filter cut on the moon doggy ep?

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Doug:
It's got to be "Play The World" by Johnick (I can't believe no one mentioned that one). I think that was out before "Throw" by Paperclip People. I think the Bucket Heads "The Bomb" came out before "Play the world" but I'm not sure yet. "The Bomb" does have some filtering involved during the second part of the song.

Peace

[Monny JcIntosh]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
Of the house mentions, shouldn't DJ Pierre be in there somewhere? "Master Blaster" or something? DJ Pierre's influence is due in part of his Acid background. If you consider him, then you consider just about every producer from Chicago and Detroit.

Peace </font>[/QUOTE]"Master Blaster" uses, AFAIK, a filtered sample.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by eleeut:
thuggles - did you receive that Johnick cut way in advance of everyone else, because i'm thinking that that had to have been released commercially around 96 or 97. throw has to be older than that one.

gv - there's a filter cut on the moon doggy ep? Yup, "Disco Erotica" and "Message of Love".

"Disco Erotica" was the first "Filtered Disco" cut that I heard in a house form. Blew me away!!

Peace

[kev]

Hip hop producers Da Beatminerz were using filters on their loops before Paperclip People's "Throw" was released. Pete Rock was another one that used filters. This was in the early 90's. I'll try and dig up exact dates later.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by IIBS:
Hip hop producers Da Beatminerz were using filters on their loops before Paperclip People's "Throw" was released. Pete Rock was another one that used filters. This was in the early 90's. I'll try and dig up exact dates later. Exactly!!!!! You have to dig into your hip hop crates. I wouldn't be surprised if Kenny Dope was atleast the first, second, or third producer to use Filtering in House Music.

Peace

[eleeut]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by eleeut:
thuggles - did you receive that Johnick cut way in advance of everyone else, because i'm thinking that that had to have been released commercially around 96 or 97. throw has to be older than that one.

gv - there's a filter cut on the moon doggy ep? Yup, "Disco Erotica" and "Message of Love".

"Disco Erotica" was the first "Filtered Disco" cut that I heard in a house form. Blew me away!!

Peace </font>[/QUOTE]yeaaaaah disco erotica..... i still think Throw came out before that EP.

[Doug]

Originally posted by eleeut:
thuggles - did you receive that Johnick cut way in advance of everyone else, because i'm thinking that that had to have been released commercially around 96 or 97. throw has to be older than that one.

gv - there's a filter cut on the moon doggy ep? I'll have to look at the date on the record, but I'm certain it was out before '96.

[D J 1 3 8]

What about "earth people"?

[kev]

Black Moon's "Enta Da Stage" LP was released in 93.

[kev]

Pete Rock & CL Smooth's "All Souled Out" EP came out in 91. "The Creator" contained a filtered loop from King Curtis's "Instant Groove".

[Hippie]

Ok now we've gotten some opinions. I think alot are valid but to me phasing or flanging is not filtering as in a club. Now me & my partner did a mix in 94 for Freetown called "I like it like that" by Innerlife. Now check this out we did it in 94' but they released the Johnny Vicious mixes in 95' and not ours but they did give out Test pressings of which a couple of influental people got some. so they had the test out for over a year and a half. They finally released our mixes in 96'. But if you go back and check the record you'll see that we really made it sound like a record that was worked on a crossover in a club. Now I wont tell you how many people wanted to know how we did that but I'm a amatuer magician and first rule of magic is never tell how the trick is done. So I think most will agree there hasn't been a record with that kind of filtering since. I will tell you we did not use any kind of filtering plug-ins like they have today. That was all programming. And it wasn't even me it was my partner Mark Mendoza. All I did was suggest we do crossover work like we do in the clubs. So that to me is true club filtering. Some may have forgotten (maybe not) that Wink's "Don't Laugh" also came out in 95'. I remember saying to Mark damn now people will think that's the first record with filtering. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[eleeut]

re: Don't Laugh

then should we also start talking about DBX's Losing Control?

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
What about "earth people"? It's not filtered.


Peace

[Monny JcIntosh]

Originally posted by Hippie:
Ok now we've gotten some opinions. I think alot are valid but to me phasing or flanging is not filtering as in a club. Now me & my partner did a mix in 94 for Freetown called "I like it like that" by Innerlife. Now check this out we did it in 94' but they released the Johnny Vicious mixes in 95' and not ours but they did give out Test pressings of which a couple of influental people got some. so they had the test out for over a year and a half. They finally released our mixes in 96'. But if you go back and check the record you'll see that we really made it sound like a record that was worked on a crossover in a club. Now I wont tell you how many people wanted to know how we did that but I'm a amatuer magician and first rule of magic is never tell how the trick is done. So I think most will agree there hasn't been a record with that kind of filtering since. I will tell you we did not use any kind of filtering plug-ins like they have today. That was all programming. And it wasn't even me it was my partner Mark Mendoza. All I did was suggest we do crossover work like we do in the clubs. So that to me is true club filtering. Some may have forgotten (maybe not) that Wink's "Don't Laugh" also came out in 95'. I remember saying to Mark damn now people will think that's the first record with filtering. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif Well Dan Bell was at it long before Josh Wink, but that's a whole can of worms. ;)

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Hippie:
Ok now we've gotten some opinions. I think alot are valid but to me phasing or flanging is not filtering as in a club. Now me & my partner did a mix in 94 for Freetown called "I like it like that" by Innerlife. Now check this out we did it in 94' but they released the Johnny Vicious mixes in 95' and not ours but they did give out Test pressings of which a couple of influental people got some. so they had the test out for over a year and a half. They finally released our mixes in 96'. But if you go back and check the record you'll see that we really made it sound like a record that was worked on a crossover in a club. Now I wont tell you how many people wanted to know how we did that but I'm a amatuer magician and first rule of magic is never tell how the trick is done. So I think most will agree there hasn't been a record with that kind of filtering since. I will tell you we did not use any kind of filtering plug-ins like they have today. That was all programming. And it wasn't even me it was my partner Mark Mendoza. All I did was suggest we do crossover work like we do in the clubs. So that to me is true club filtering. Some may have forgotten (maybe not) that Wink's "Don't Laugh" also came out in 95'. I remember saying to Mark damn now people will think that's the first record with filtering. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif Hey, is this the double pack that was released on Freetown with the Sensory mixes?

A1 I Like It Like That (7" Mix) (7:36)
A2 I Like It Like That (Dub Mix) (7:36)
B I Like It Like That (12" Mix) (11:50)
C I Like It Like That (Sensory Disco Vocal Mix) (9:31)
D1 I Like It Like That (Sensory Club Vocal) (7:00)
D2 I Like It Like That (Rock The Disco Dub) (6:50)


Those sensory mixes were sick as hell!!!!!!

Peace

[Hippie]

So to clear things up I don't think we were the first but we were the first to make it sound like a crossover mix. I think no one has still done what we did. Maybe I'll get Mark to give specifics as to how we did it so that someone can do it on a future record. Lots of you may not have the record so maybe I'll put up a snippet on MP3 so you can check it out yourselves. graemlins/bolt.gif

[D J 1 3 8]

Speaking of making a recording that sounds like it was worked with a crossover, I've been noticing a few records lately that sound like they were actually affected by the Pioneer FX box that is becoming very common among house DJs. There's some stuff on the LLV album that sounds like this, as well as GU's "Black Action" on Shelter.

[Hippie]

I wish we had the Pioneer FX box. It would have made things so much more easy. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
Speaking of making a recording that sounds like it was worked with a crossover, I've been noticing a few records lately that sound like they were actually affected by the Pioneer FX box that is becoming very common among house DJs. There's some stuff on the LLV album that sounds like this, as well as GU's "Black Action" on Shelter. Alot of GU's early works have a "flange" effect within the music.

One of the cuts on his Burnin The Midnight Oil EP on Guidance has this effect.

"Disco Worm" from his Story of Deepness album on Nite Life Collective is another example.

Peace

[Hippie]

Originally poster by Groove Victim
Hey, is this the double pack that was released on Freetown with the Sensory mixes?

A1 I Like It Like That (7" Mix) (7:36)
A2 I Like It Like That (Dub Mix) (7:36)
B I Like It Like That (12" Mix) (11:50)
C I Like It Like That (Sensory Disco Vocal Mix) (9:31)
D1 I Like It Like That (Sensory Club Vocal) (7:00)
D2 I Like It Like That (Rock The Disco Dub) (6:50)


Those sensory mixes were sick as hell!!!!!!


One and the same!

[ July 21, 2003, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: Hippie ]

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Hippie, alot of DJs played the "Touch and GO" dub of this song, reminded me of the Touch and Grow mix of Sole Fusions's "We can Make it". But I always enjoyed the instrumentation of the Sensory mixes. Nasty bassline and guitar solo.

Peace

[Hippie]

Yeah that was the idea to make it sound like Touch & Go. But do you agree there hasn't been any mix like that up to that point!

[GROOVE VICTIM]

That mix and the Sole Fusion cut were the only two I heard. You can't go wrong with the piano riff!!

Peace

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Ha ha ha

Who ever did it should be stoned to death. graemlins/lol.gif I agree.