Producer Phil Spector Charged With Murder

[DaveR]

ALHAMBRA, Calif. -- Record producer Phil Spector, the 1960s recording-studio wizard who created pop music's Wall of Sound, was charged Thursday with murder in the shooting death of a woman at his home last February.

Spector, 63, was expected to be arraigned Thursday afternoon in the slaying of 40-year-old Lana Clarkson, a B-movie actress and model found dead in the foyer of his Alhambra mansion.

He has been free on $1 million bail since his arrest for investigation of murder shortly after the shooting Feb. 3. Authorities have not given a motive or commented on other details of the investigation.

The felony complaint did not specify whether prosecutors will seek a first-degree or second-degree murder conviction. District Attorney's spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons said the charge carries a maximum penalty of life in prison with a possibility of parole.

The development created the unusual scene of two major music artists facing criminal proceedings in the same day. As the charges against Spector were announced, hundreds of reporters were waiting in Santa Barbara County for Michael Jackson to surrender in a case involving child molestation.

Spector's lawyer, Robert Shapiro, did not immediately return a phone call from The Associated Press. But Spector's close friend, attorney Marvin Mitchelson, said, "I am shocked, saddened. But I fully believe that time will prove Phil's complete innocence."

Spector has denied he killed Clarkson, suggesting in an Esquire magazine interview that she may have shot herself. After more than six months of investigation, authorities concluded Spector shot her.

Spector is famous for creating the Wall of Sound that involved overdubbing of multiple instruments, vocals and sound effects create a full, dramatic effect. The technique changed the way pop records were produced while bringing fame to groups like the Ronettes and the Crystals.

Among the hits bearing his signature style are "Da Doo Ron Ron" and "Then He Kissed Me" by the Crystals; "Walking in the Rain" by the Ronettes and "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'" by the Righteous Brothers.

He also worked with Elvis Presley and Ike and Tina Turner, produced the last Beatles album, "Let It Be," in 1970, worked with John Lennon on "Imagine," and helped Yoko Ono produce Lennon's work after he was killed in 1980.

But there apparently was a dark side to Spector's genius, with stories of drunken rages, violence against a former wife, and a penchant for brandishing firearms.

Spector's last major album was a 1980s collaboration with the Ramones, "End of the Century." During the session, the late bassist Dee Dee Ramone said Spector pulled a gun on the band.

The investigation into the Clarkson killing had been under investigation since February, and Gibbons said the long delay in charges was due to a lengthy sheriff's investigation.

"The sheriff didn't turn over the evidence to us until Sept. 18," she said. "We had a tremendous amount of evidence to evaluate and we had to gather additional evidence on our own."

She noted that the prosecutor initially assigned to lead the case, Michael Latin, was appointed to a judgeship in the waning days of the Gov. Gray Davis' administration and the prosecution team had to be reconfigured.

[DaveR]

Should be interesting discussions here - I want to see how the Michael-Jackson-has-been-railroaded posters respond to this new HYPE !

DR

[mhd]

they took their time on phil

[DaveR]

Originally posted by mhd:
they took their time on phil Awe come on, gotta come stronger than that !

[DaveR]

Originally posted by DaveR:

He has been free on $1 million bail since his arrest for investigation of murder shortly after the shooting Feb. 3.
Took their time ? ... Did you even read the article ?

DR

[mhd]

Originally posted by DaveR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
they took their time on phil Awe come on, gotta come stronger than that ! </font>[/QUOTE]psycho-genius kills dumb blonde, who cares?

[Brut by Faberge]

people who don't respond to this thread with vicious anger are trying to keep the black man down :D

seriously...if people could give a shit about who phil spector killed, it's a question of age demographics and basic popularity more than anything. you could go up to a 1-year-old and say, "Michael Jackson" and shorty will grab his pamper, do a spin, and go "hee hee heeee!"

Go up to a 1-year-old and say "Phil Spector" they're likely to start crying.

Who gives a shit? graemlins/rofl.gif

[DaveR]

Originally posted by THX-1138:
you could go up to a 1-year-old and say, "Michael Jackson" and shorty will grab his pamper, do a spin, and go "hee hee heeee!"

Go up to a 1-year-old and say "Phil Spector" they're likely to start crying.

Who gives a shit? graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl5.gif dayum THX, you hit that pipe early today graemlins/rofl5.gif

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by DaveR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
you could go up to a 1-year-old and say, "Michael Jackson" and shorty will grab his pamper, do a spin, and go "hee hee heeee!"

Go up to a 1-year-old and say "Phil Spector" they're likely to start crying.

Who gives a shit? graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl5.gif dayum THX, you hit that pipe early today graemlins/rofl5.gif </font>[/QUOTE]i know...and supply is short. i'm pissed http://deephousepage.com/smilies/bongsmi.gif

[DaveR]

But I agree with you for the most part.

It's kind of like "Honor Student Killed" generates all kinds of passion.

I'm still waiting for that headline "Dead-beat Partyin MFucker with a 0.4 GPA Slain! ... Community in Outrage"

graemlins/acclaim.gif

[ November 20, 2003, 04:51 PM: Message edited by: DaveR ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by DaveR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DaveR:

He has been free on $1 million bail since his arrest for investigation of murder shortly after the shooting Feb. 3.
Took their time ? ... Did you even read the article ?

DR </font>[/QUOTE]why does phil get $1 million bail for MURDER and MJ gets $3 million for molestation?

[DaveR]

Originally posted by mhd:
why does phil get $1 million bail for MURDER and MJ gets $3 million for molestation? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by DaveR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
why does phil get $1 million bail for MURDER and MJ gets $3 million for molestation? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I expect no less from our great legal system graemlins/stupid.gif

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by DaveR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
why does phil get $1 million bail for MURDER and MJ gets $3 million for molestation? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Deal with the question!

[mhd]

Originally posted by THX-1138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DaveR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
why does phil get $1 million bail for MURDER and MJ gets $3 million for molestation? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I expect no less from our great legal system graemlins/stupid.gif </font>[/QUOTE]bail is usually set based on a couple of factors, flight risk and danger to the community. the idea is lets make it very expensive for you to decide not to show up in court, and/or we will lock your ass up if we think you are going to hurt somebody while you are out. phil and mj, both weird, but phil allegedly shoots this woman, and has a history of gunplay, mj likes children, maybe a little too much, yet mj's bail is triple that of an alleged psychotic murderer, further, they arrest mj during the release of new product, surely costing him additionals, tens of millions of dollars

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Deal with the question! I'm not a lawyer, but I'll say:

1. Because MJ is a nee-ga-ro, and PS is a whitey-white.

2. Tons of other stupid shit within individual state penal codes that paves the way for this type of disparity.

3. Maybe it's like the free clinics and they do it on a sliding scale.

Gee willakers, Danny, what do you want from us?

[BHouse]

What about all the priests convicted to child molestation and rape...? How high were their bonds...?

[DaveR]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DaveR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
why does phil get $1 million bail for MURDER and MJ gets $3 million for molestation? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Deal with the question! </font>[/QUOTE]Danny - are you serious ? ... I assume the question was rhetorical, however, for ha ha-s ...

$1 MM, $3 MM ... keep the freakin change - they will both make bail

Flight risk bails are for Pookie & Ray Ray ... These bails (I suspect) are for Politics, Posturing and Message Sending ... unfortunately in this day and age, accused/convicted child molestors are held in lower regard than murderers.

You knew that right ? ... and were just kinda asking me to type more right ? ... right ?

DR

[ November 20, 2003, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: DaveR ]

[mhd]

typically, you only have to post 10%, so, in effect, the judge can post an impossibly high bond for your circumstances and keep you locked up

[mhd]

Originally posted by DaveR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DaveR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
why does phil get $1 million bail for MURDER and MJ gets $3 million for molestation? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Deal with the question! </font>[/QUOTE]Danny - are you serious ? ... I assume the question was rhetorical, however, for ha ha-s ...

$1 MM, $3 MM ... keep the freakin change - they will both make bail

Flight risk bails are for Pookie & Ray Ray ... These bails (I suspect) are for Politics, Posturing and Message Sending ... unfortunately in this day and age, accused/convicted child molestors are held in lower regard than murderers.

You knew that right ? ... and were just kinda asking me to type more right ? ... right ?

DR </font>[/QUOTE]pookie and ray ray and roman polanski

[DaveR]

Go mhd ! smile.gif

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by THX-1138:
//-Gee willakers, Danny, what do you want from us? Inclusive thinking. That's it.

[TAD]

i didn't see this story in the news

[ November 20, 2003, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: Cosmic_Twin ]

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by mhd:
//-pookie and ray ray and roman polanski Careful with that thing. You're gonna put someone's eye out. ;)

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
i didn't see this story in the news Saw Michael's, though.

[mhd]

a better question is how many times did woody allen molest his daughter before he married her?

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
//-Gee willakers, Danny, what do you want from us? Inclusive thinking. That's it. </font>[/QUOTE]I love the little people.

[DaveR]

Now someone out there right now is combing real hard to find an unique situation where a child molestors bail, was lower than that of a murder - and will post it, and say "See, they railroading MJ"

smile.gif DR

[mhd]

Originally posted by DaveR:
Now someone out there right now is combing real hard to find an unique situation where a child molestors bail, was lower than that of a murder - and will post it, and say "See, they railroading MJ"

smile.gif DR well, lets just start counting now to see how long before mj is charged, and maybe someone can search to see what jerry lee lewis' bail was and elvis and woody

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by mhd:
a better question is how many times did woody allen molest his daughter before he married her? graemlins/shudder.gif stop it. say what you will but that fucker's popularity took a gigantic hit after that too.

they were screwing since she was 14...and she married at around 17 or 18 so, there you have it. Nobody makes my flesh crawl as much as that guy...dude LEFT HIS WIFE FOR HIS DAUGHTER!!! mia farrow (sp) get much respect from me.

[DaveR]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
i didn't see this story in the news Imma run a seminar teaching effective web surfing for the perennially bored smile.gif ... then release my video tapes smile.gif ... Carlton Sheets watch out

But just a free preview, you start in the morning with espn.com, then over to washingtonpost.com, then nytimes.com, then move on to the local news sites - eventually you find some real ridiculous stuff smile.gif

And when you find yourself eyeing the TV program "When Good Pets Go Bad" and think you might watch it tonight - you've arrived

DR

[ November 20, 2003, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: DaveR ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by THX-1138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
a better question is how many times did woody allen molest his daughter before he married her? graemlins/shudder.gif stop it. say what you will but that fucker's popularity took a gigantic hit after that too.

they were screwing since she was 14...and she married at around 17 or 18 so, there you have it. Nobody makes my flesh crawl as much as that guy...dude LEFT HIS WIFE FOR HIS DAUGHTER!!! mia farrow (sp) get much respect from me. </font>[/QUOTE]yeah, but movie after movie after movie gets a greenlight and he gets courtside seats at the garden, as for mia, i can't imagine this happening in my family and my mother not putting an icepick in my father's eye

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
a better question is how many times did woody allen molest his daughter before he married her? graemlins/shudder.gif stop it. say what you will but that fucker's popularity took a gigantic hit after that too.

they were screwing since she was 14...and she married at around 17 or 18 so, there you have it. Nobody makes my flesh crawl as much as that guy...dude LEFT HIS WIFE FOR HIS DAUGHTER!!! mia farrow (sp) get much respect from me. </font>[/QUOTE]yeah, but movie after movie after movie gets a greenlight and he gets courtside seats at the garden, as for mia, i can't imagine this happening in my family and my mother not putting an icepick in my father's eye </font>[/QUOTE]don't worry, i have a feeling R Kelly will get the same royal effing treatment. when you're hot your hot graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

and yes...how the bastard escaped without getting maimed is a mystery to me. she's been quiet for awhile now.

[mhd]

besides, a big difference between a hit on your popularity and having to come up with 3 million just to fucking walk around

[Mr 1977]

Just to stir the pot.

White on White Crime (murder) = 1 million

Former Negro on White Child Crime = 3 Million

[mhd]

r kelly is gonna walk, the best they can hope for is he cops to a misdemeanor, and if he does that he would get probation, other wise he has done everything to ensure his acquittal, imo

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by mhd:
besides, a big difference between a hit on your popularity and having to come up with 3 million just to fucking walk around So...are you saying that the PRICE OF FREEDOM is more expensive for non-whites? Hm?

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by mhd:
besides, a big difference between a hit on your popularity and having to come up with 3 million just to fucking walk around no doubt. cannot even compare the two. that bastard got off. people think OJ got off! icon_rofl.gif no. Woody Allen got off clean as a breeze.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
besides, a big difference between a hit on your popularity and having to come up with 3 million just to fucking walk around So...are you saying that the PRICE OF FREEDOM is more expensive for non-whites? Hm? </font>[/QUOTE]Need to ask this again...

Could it be that "We freed you for free ONCE. The second time, you've got to pay." is the rule here?

[mhd]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
besides, a big difference between a hit on your popularity and having to come up with 3 million just to fucking walk around So...are you saying that the PRICE OF FREEDOM is more expensive for non-whites? Hm? </font>[/QUOTE]hey, i'm not saying it, they are telling us

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
besides, a big difference between a hit on your popularity and having to come up with 3 million just to fucking walk around So...are you saying that the PRICE OF FREEDOM is more expensive for non-whites? Hm? </font>[/QUOTE]OMG! i never thought of that! holy mother of pearl, you're right! publish that now!

[DaveR]

Originally posted by DaveR:
... unfortunately in this day and age, accused/convicted child molestors are held in lower regard than murderers.

DR I feel the need to clarify here ... I mean:

"Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending) in this day ..."

If you don't buy that, then let me sell you this:

We all know about the "tear-drop tattoo" that's a twisted badge of honor amongst murderers, and actually respected in some places ... until the day when criminals start getting "pacifier" or "binky" tattoos on their faces, child molesters will still be lower than murderers

DR

[ November 20, 2003, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: DaveR ]

[BHouse]

Originally posted by Mr 1977:
Just to stir the pot.

White on White Crime (murder) = 1 million

Former Negro on White Child Crime = 3 Million JUSTICE = PRICELESS

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by THX-1138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
besides, a big difference between a hit on your popularity and having to come up with 3 million just to fucking walk around So...are you saying that the PRICE OF FREEDOM is more expensive for non-whites? Hm? </font>[/QUOTE]OMG! i never thought of that! holy mother of pearl, you're right! publish that now! </font>[/QUOTE]This is what I meant by INCLUSIVE THINKING, btw.

[DaveR]

Originally posted by Mr 1977:
Just to stir the pot.

White on White Crime (murder) = 1 million

Former Negro on White Child Crime = 3 Million How about pureeing it ?

Washed Up Behind the Scenes Producer kills B-Movie Actress = 1 million

Current Superstar cops feel on 2 year old = 3 Million

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by DaveR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mr 1977:
Just to stir the pot.

White on White Crime (murder) = 1 million

Former Negro on White Child Crime = 3 Million How about pureeing it ?

Washed Up Behind the Scenes Producer kills B-Movie Actress = 1 million

Current Superstar cops feel on 2 year old = 3 Million </font>[/QUOTE]You're not seeing the entire picture.

LEGENDARY MUSIC PRODUCER WITH MORE MONEY THAN GOD - bail and 10 months to develop a defense.

WASHED UP WALKING FREAKSHOW who has RUN OUT OF MONEY TO PAY PEOPLE OFF - all-points bullettin, front page news, home raided...

C'man DaveR - at least open one eye.

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
besides, a big difference between a hit on your popularity and having to come up with 3 million just to fucking walk around So...are you saying that the PRICE OF FREEDOM is more expensive for non-whites? Hm? </font>[/QUOTE]OMG! i never thought of that! holy mother of pearl, you're right! publish that now! </font>[/QUOTE]This is what I meant by INCLUSIVE THINKING, btw. </font>[/QUOTE]dude! i respect your opinions to no end, but for cryin out loud, what are you attempting? how does it make you feel? complete sentences please.

perceptions sometimes remain fragmentmented outside of balanced DISCOURSE and information sharing. until that happens here, we get a thread like this:

A: blaze blah.
B: go meditate.
C: mmmhm.
A: bail money.
C: yeah.
B: parole.
A: have a racist lunchtime.
C: okay.
B: billy goats.
A: you bet.

[DaveR]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
C'man DaveR - at least open one eye. Good attempt at a dig Danny, unfortunately I don't play that game.

We have many eyes open here, and many perspectives, and a dang healthy, humorous and controversial conversation going on here - graemlins/respekt.gif

I appreciate your attempt at a personal dis though.

DR

[ November 20, 2003, 05:54 PM: Message edited by: DaveR ]

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by THX-1138:
//--dude! i respect your opinions to no end, but for cryin out loud, what are you attempting? how does it make you feel?--//I'm attempting to cause a cultural shift. It feels pretty daunting after reading some of these posts.

Is that ok? ;)

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
//--dude! i respect your opinions to no end, but for cryin out loud, what are you attempting? how does it make you feel?--//I'm attempting to cause a cultural shift. It feels pretty daunting after reading some of these posts.

Is that ok? ;) </font>[/QUOTE]yeah man, you carry that forward. because after 67 pages of non--small-cell lung cancer treatment and research guidlines today, i simply cannot be there.

[mhd]

Originally posted by THX-1138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
//--dude! i respect your opinions to no end, but for cryin out loud, what are you attempting? how does it make you feel?--//I'm attempting to cause a cultural shift. It feels pretty daunting after reading some of these posts.

Is that ok? ;) </font>[/QUOTE]yeah man, you carry that forward. because after 67 pages of non--small-cell lung cancer treatment and research guidlines today, i simply cannot be there. </font>[/QUOTE]heavy, nih/nci?

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by mhd:
heavy, nih/nci? you're close...the clinical oncology society in VA. no pity on me around here :( they need to publish the occasional bedside anecdote or somethin!

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by THX-1138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
heavy, nih/nci? you're close...the clinical oncology society in VA. no pity on me around here :( they need to publish the occasional bedside anecdote or somethin! </font>[/QUOTE]Keep up the http://deephousepage.com/smilies/fight.gif Oncology is rough business.

[ November 20, 2003, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

[1SmoothDj]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
a better question is how many times did woody allen molest his daughter before he married her? graemlins/shudder.gif stop it. say what you will but that fucker's popularity took a gigantic hit after that too.

they were screwing since she was 14...and she married at around 17 or 18 so, there you have it. Nobody makes my flesh crawl as much as that guy...dude LEFT HIS WIFE FOR HIS DAUGHTER!!! mia farrow (sp) get much respect from me. </font>[/QUOTE]yeah, but movie after movie after movie gets a greenlight and he gets courtside seats at the garden, as for mia, i can't imagine this happening in my family and my mother not putting an icepick in my father's eye </font>[/QUOTE]You are not Jewish! At least last time I checked!

Marv

[TAD]

Originally posted by DaveR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
i didn't see this story in the news Imma run a seminar teaching effective web surfing for the perennially bored smile.gif ... then release my video tapes smile.gif ... Carlton Sheets watch out

But just a free preview, you start in the morning with espn.com, then over to washingtonpost.com, then nytimes.com, then move on to the local news sites - eventually you find some real ridiculous stuff smile.gif

And when you find yourself eyeing the TV program "When Good Pets Go Bad" and think you might watch it tonight - you've arrived

DR </font>[/QUOTE]i'm talking about television not internet. most people still watch the 6:00 pm news

[mhd]

Originally posted by Dj Marv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
a better question is how many times did woody allen molest his daughter before he married her? graemlins/shudder.gif stop it. say what you will but that fucker's popularity took a gigantic hit after that too.

they were screwing since she was 14...and she married at around 17 or 18 so, there you have it. Nobody makes my flesh crawl as much as that guy...dude LEFT HIS WIFE FOR HIS DAUGHTER!!! mia farrow (sp) get much respect from me. </font>[/QUOTE]yeah, but movie after movie after movie gets a greenlight and he gets courtside seats at the garden, as for mia, i can't imagine this happening in my family and my mother not putting an icepick in my father's eye </font>[/QUOTE]You are not Jewish! At least last time I checked!

Marv </font>[/QUOTE]shalom, brother, good luck this weekend!

[DaveR]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
i'm talking about television not internet. most people still watch the 6:00 pm news My bad http://deephousepage.com/smilies/doh.gif

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
heavy, nih/nci? you're close...the clinical oncology society in VA. no pity on me around here :( they need to publish the occasional bedside anecdote or somethin! </font>[/QUOTE]Keep up the http://deephousepage.com/smilies/fight.gif Oncology is rough business. </font>[/QUOTE]rougher than rough. the clinicians and researches and little elves (me) battle day in and out. and at the end of the day, the pharmaceuticals companies get the spoils and the say-so, but a noble profession nonethless smile.gif

[DaveR]

Don't sell yourself short, you's a BIG BAD ELF !

http://www.celebritywonder.com/img/movieposter/tn/2003_Elf.jpg

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by DaveR:
Don't sell yourself short, you's a BIG BAD ELF !

http://www.celebritywonder.com/img/movieposter/tn/2003_Elf.jpg tha's me! :D