Eminem under the gun concerning audio track kept hidden since 1993 ?? [Archive]

imported_Gman

11-19-2003, 02:46 PM

Somebody forwarded this to me. Sorry if it has been posted already.

www.thesource.com (http://www.thesource.com)

The Source Magazine executives David Mays and Raymond Scott will air publicly for the first time an explosive audio track recorded by Eminem that he has kept hidden since 1993. In the unnamed song, Eminem voices his opinions about Black women and Black people in general
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?I make music to make you sick of fake music,
Hate music like devil worship and Satan music.?

?Look at these eyes baby blue baby just like yourself
If they were brown Shady lose Shady sits on the shelf
Let?s do the math: if I was Black I would?ve sold half
I didn?t have to graduate from Lincoln High School to know that.?

?I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley to do Black music so selfishly
And use it to get myself wealthy.?

--Eminem

Written below are the lyrics to Eminem's freestyle from 1993. It was released today {Tues, Nov 18 2003 } by The Source Magazine which has an ongoing beef with Em. Dave Mays and Ray Benzino attempetd to make the case that this song was proof positive that Eminem was not only racist but also someone who was trying to co-opt Hip Hop.

According to Anthony Bozza, the author of the just released New York Times bestseller WHATEVER YOU SAY I AM: The Life And Times of Eminem (Crown), the tape soun! ded like Eminem was drunk. Bozza who attended yesterday's Source Magazine press conference specualted that Em was venting in a really nasty way after being heartbroken by an African American woman.

However heartbreak or not, there are many sisters who aren't going to be feeling him after reading the and hearing the lyrics. The Source Magazine owners promised that they would be releasing the tape by including it in every Source Magazine sold in their next issue.

The fall out on this will be something to watch..

EMINEM circa 1993

Track 1
There?s so many styles I might get thrown
And here?s the place where I like to roam
And all the girls that I like to bone
Have the big butts, no they don?t
?Cause I don?t like that nigger @#%$
I?m just here to make a bigger hit
When I be kickin the hypest, dopest rhyme
Just say that Eminem is the best MC of all times?Yeah!
I?m running out of breath so here?s Chaos Kid with the flow of death

Track 2
I seen a Black girlfriend and I kissed her
I kissed her; I placed it on her cheek
And she didn?t come back til next week

Now it was next week and she was back again
Wanting to kiss a white kid
So she was my girlfriend, we started going out
But that?s okay because we were Black and white
Blacks and whites they sometimes mix
But Black girls only want your money cause they?re dumb chicks
So I?ma say like this
Don?t date a Black girl, take it as a diss
If you want, but if you don?t
I?ma tell you like this, I surely won?t
Never date a Black girl because Blacks only want your money
And that @#%$ aint funny

So I?ma say look honey
Why do you do this?
You know, you step up to me like you a Brutus
Then you try to grab my spinach
Because its green and that?s cash
So get outta here, ?cause I don?t need your ass
I said that before, but that?s okay because like I said you?re a whore
Black! girls and white girls just don?t mix
Because Black girls are dumb and white girls are good chicks
White girls are good; I like white girls
I like white girls all over the world
White girls are fine and they blow my mind
And that?s why I?m here now telling you this rhyme
?Cause Black girls, I really don?t like
We don?t mix, it?s like riding a bike
When you?re peddling hard, uphill both ways
You know it?s kinda hard and that?s why I say to you
I?m giving you a little advice
Don?t date a Black girl, if you do it once you won?t do it twice
You won?t ever do it again because they?ll take your money
And that aint funny
So I?ma say look honey
I thought he said that before
But like I said again you?re nothing but a big whore
So when mike catch on the bass line
That?s okay ?cause we will not just waste time

I?ll get straight to the point
Black girls are bitches, that?s why I?ma tell ya you better pull up your britches
?Ca! use all that cash is making your ass drag
From the boyfriend ya ganked and that?s pretty bad
I mean that?s pretty sad when ya dating a Black guy
And then you turn around a @#%$ another big, Black guy
Now that?s pretty wrong, but you?re just ganking
But that?s okay because you need a @#%$ spanking
From me, the funky Eminem
I?m busting rhymes and I?m swallowing phlegm
I?m busting a freestyle just like this
I say swallowing phlegm and Howard gets pissed
But when Howard gets pissed that?s okay
Because he leaves and he doesn?t show up for two more days
So I?ll just worry about that problem when I come to it
I cross that bridge when I come to it

Because, I forgot the chorus
But that?s okay ?cause y?all saying bust a rhyme for us
So I?ma bust another rhyme about this Black girl
She turned out to be a @#%$ wack girl
A wack girl, because Black girls ain?t funny
All they want is your @#%$ money
They take you for everything you got
And then you stand with a bunch of snot in your hand
So I?ma kick it to you just like this
How does the chorus go, I forgot
But that?s okay, ?cause I?ma tell you in stride
I?ma say oh foolish pride

Oh foolish pride, oh, oh, oh, oh foolish pride
oh, oh, oh, oh foolish pride; oh, oh, oh, oh foolish pride
oh, oh, oh, oh foolish pride; oh, oh, oh, oh foolish pride
oh, oh, oh, oh foolish pride; oh, oh, oh
Date a white girl, ?cause they got the raw hide

[ November 19, 2003, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: Gman ]

drilla

11-19-2003, 02:55 PM

this shit is ridiculous...i saw it on the news last night.

the source is mad at something to do with eminem...they think they can end his career by saying his lyrics are not morally correct....or something...

no shit! everyone already knows this.

his comments are racist, sterotypical, homophobic, sexist, etc...

eminem is a fuckin psycho...the source is a joke too.

i think he is raising a non-issue which will cause alot of fighting between blacks and whites and lose some steps in the long ass fight known as racially equality among all people because of his "personal beef". (him, being the source cats)

yeah.

[ November 19, 2003, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: matthew j ]

Mack-Williams

11-19-2003, 02:57 PM

Go listen to a Bitch is a Bitch and then compare. They are saying the same thing.

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 02:57 PM

Comments anyone?
Granted it was old... and a weak azz rhyme... what are your thoughts?
Enquiring minds want to know... smile.gif

My thoughts are that I think that Em was overrated from the beginning (he reminds me of an old boyfriend), although biased by that fact alone, this latest scandal doesn't make me think any less of him than I already did...

I don't care for 50 Cent either... nor Ja Rule actually...

I like The Source but they really seem to be grasping at straws... they have a very strong dislike for the man...

I like Southern rap... gimmie some Lil Jon and I'm good to go... :D

[ November 19, 2003, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: Shannon_Shawan ]

alex zen

11-19-2003, 03:00 PM

seems to me that the source just sold another million m&m records.

DLow

11-19-2003, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by alex zen:
seems to me that the source just sold another million m&m records. and a million copies of the sauce...

Bande-A-Part_NYC

11-19-2003, 03:02 PM

Let's ask the same magazine to be fair and to list all the rap lyrics by black rappers that have expressed anti-white sentiment.

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Bande-A-Part_ NYC:
Let's ask the same magazine to be fair and to list all the rap lyrics by black rappers that have expressed anti-white sentiment. I understand that... it would be to many artists to name, actually... but the point was more about 'white artists spits in the face of black artists while making money off of a black artform' rather than, 'racist rap lyrics', yanno?

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Bande-A-Part_ NYC:
Let's ask the same magazine to be fair and to list all the rap lyrics by black rappers that have expressed anti-white sentiment. He's busted, Donger. Then again, he was busted to anyone who actually read between the lines watching Eight Mile. Who the fuck is suprised?

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bande-A-Part_ NYC:
Let's ask the same magazine to be fair and to list all the rap lyrics by black rappers that have expressed anti-white sentiment. I understand that... it would be to many artists to name, actually... but the point was more about 'white artists spits in the face of black artists while making money off of a black artform' rather than, 'racist rap lyrics', yanno? [/QUOTE]Which is VALID! To be an effective liar, you've gotta have a good memory. Guess Em forgot about that freestyle session.

I'm just waiting for all the black people to come out and defend him. Ahhh...housecleaning is so refreshing.

Brut by Faberge

11-19-2003, 03:16 PM

fuck eminem. he sucks. fuck all rap music (except squaredancing) and fuck the source, too.

and fuck the nasty black and white jellybeans in the bottom of the bag. and those record store dicks who are late sending me my tunes.

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Brut by Faberge

11-19-2003, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
I'm just waiting for all the black people to come out and defend him. Ahhh...housecleaning is so refreshing. bingo...watch them come!

D J 1 3 8

11-19-2003, 03:18 PM

Actually, being fairly familiar with his flow, the above rhyme seems like it's completely sarcastic to me. The Source is simply loooking for ammo, anything to discredit the guy that so loudly and irrevocably dissed them and wack-ass Benzino in the eyes and ears of the hip hop community.

DeesKo

11-19-2003, 03:27 PM

1. the source is a garbage magazine that is great at instigating beefs that get people hurt and taking money for ads, thats about it.

2. benzino is mad at Eminem because Em dissed him in a song and benzino couldn't do anything about it because he's wack.

3. the source is DYING to have another hip-hop beef ending in some catastrophe because that means more units moved, the only difference in the past has been that the source could claim to be a third party bystander just reporting the news whereas now they're intigating it.

4. they're all gonna keep on till somebody else gets f****ed up.

5. eminem probably never expected to be some superstar with a globe full of people tryin to cop a tape from some bullshit show a decade ago, much less did he expect to be held accountable for the tirade by anyone besides the people in the room when it was said.

All in all, its a sad state of affairs and doesn't really bring anything new to light. It's like people digging up some random comment from Bush from 1984 where he said something stupid....

Eminem's offensive ?

Nu uhhhhh

get out

no way

Peace

[ November 19, 2003, 03:29 PM: Message edited by: DeesKo ]

drilla

11-19-2003, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by DeesKo:
1. the source is a garbage magazine that is great at instigating beefs that get people hurt and taking money for ads, thats about it.

2. benzino is mad at Eminem because Em dissed him in a song and benzino couldn't do anything about it because he's wack.

3. the source is DYING to have another hip-hop beef ending in some catastrophe because that means more units moved, the only difference in the past has been that the source could claim to be a third party bystander just reporting the news whereas now they're intigating it.

4. they're all gonna keep on till somebody else gets f****ed up.

5. eminem probably never expected to be some superstar with a globe full of people tryin to cop a tape from some bullshit show a decade ago, much less did he expect to be held accountable for the tirade by anyone besides the people in the room when it was said.

All in all, its a sad state of affairs and doesn't really bring anything new to light. It's like people digging up some random comment from Bush from 1984 where he said something stupid....

Peace nuff said!

D J 1 3 8

11-19-2003, 03:33 PM

Personally, knowing the level of skill and, more importantly, wit and sarcasm that Eminem posesses, I find it hard to believe that he wrote the following rhyme as a serious social comment:

Black! girls and white girls just don?t mix
Because Black girls are dumb and white girls are good chicks
White girls are good; I like white girls
I like white girls all over the world
White girls are fine and they blow my mind
And that?s why I?m here now telling you this rhyme

I'm sorry. It just doesn't add up. I know everybody wants to hate the guy. Go ahead. But I find it pretty hard to believe that this shit is expressing an honest opinion from him. I could be wrong, but looking at his body of work...

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
Actually, being fairly familiar with his flow, the above rhyme seems like it's completely sarcastic to me. The Source is simply loooking for ammo, anything to discredit the guy that so loudly and irrevocably dissed them and wack-ass Benzino in the eyes and ears of the hip hop community. There's one...but Julian isn't black...nevermind...

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
Actually, being fairly familiar with his flow, the above rhyme seems like it's completely sarcastic to me. The Source is simply loooking for ammo, anything to discredit the guy that so loudly and irrevocably dissed them and wack-ass Benzino in the eyes and ears of the hip hop community. Sorry but you are really reaching. The shit was racist.

drilla

11-19-2003, 03:38 PM

this just in from the source:

.....

November 19, 2003
Source Magazine

Yes, that is right. DJ Julian is a racist.

click here for the full story:

www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/ (http://www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/)

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by matthew j:
this just in from the source:

.....

November 19, 2003
Source Magazine

Yes, that is right. DJ Julian is a racist.

click here for the full story:

www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/ (http://www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/) graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Surely no one is taking this thread seriously. It isn't like Dick Cheney said that shit. Whatever.

drilla

11-19-2003, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
this just in from the source:

.....

November 19, 2003
Source Magazine

Yes, that is right. DJ Julian is a racist.

click here for the full story:

www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/ (http://www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/) graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Surely no one is taking this thread seriously. It isn't like Dick Cheney said that shit. Whatever. [/QUOTE]man, i hope not. and i really hope that this stuff does not start a race war in hiphop....we def do not need that.

dj c-los

11-19-2003, 03:43 PM

wicki wicki...slim shady.

graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[ November 19, 2003, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: clos7 ]

D J 1 3 8

11-19-2003, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
Actually, being fairly familiar with his flow, the above rhyme seems like it's completely sarcastic to me. The Source is simply loooking for ammo, anything to discredit the guy that so loudly and irrevocably dissed them and wack-ass Benzino in the eyes and ears of the hip hop community. Sorry but you are really reaching. The shit was racist. [/QUOTE]no kidding it's racist.

I didn't say it wasn't racist.

I'm putting forth the possibiility that it was done sarcastically . To me, the wack-ass rhyme style gives it away.

And, as usual, if you disagree with the DHP groupthink consensus, you must be crazy! http://jukar.biostat.wisc.edu/pics/tinfoilhat.gif

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
Actually, being fairly familiar with his flow, the above rhyme seems like it's completely sarcastic to me. The Source is simply loooking for ammo, anything to discredit the guy that so loudly and irrevocably dissed them and wack-ass Benzino in the eyes and ears of the hip hop community. Sorry but you are really reaching. The shit was racist. [/QUOTE]no kidding it's racist.

I didn't say it wasn't racist.

I'm putting forth the possibiility that it was done sarcastically . To me, the wack-ass rhyme style gives it away.

And, as usual, if you disagree with the DHP groupthink consensus, you must be crazy! http://jukar.biostat.wisc.edu/pics/tinfoilhat.gif [/QUOTE]I apologize if I'm wrong but your post seemed to me to try to excuse the inexcusable.

Brut by Faberge

11-19-2003, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
Actually, being fairly familiar with his flow, the above rhyme seems like it's completely sarcastic to me. The Source is simply loooking for ammo, anything to discredit the guy that so loudly and irrevocably dissed them and wack-ass Benzino in the eyes and ears of the hip hop community. Sorry but you are really reaching. The shit was racist. [/QUOTE]no kidding it's racist.

I didn't say it wasn't racist.

I'm putting forth the possibiility that it was done sarcastically . To me, the wack-ass rhyme style gives it away.

And, as usual, if you disagree with the DHP groupthink consensus, you must be crazy! http://jukar.biostat.wisc.edu/pics/tinfoilhat.gif [/QUOTE]you are crazy. now get back in line! graemlins/spanka.gif

kev

11-19-2003, 03:49 PM

David Mays and The Source lost all credibility in my eyes back in 91/92 with that whole fiasco with The Almighty RSO.

kev

11-19-2003, 03:49 PM

oops

[ November 19, 2003, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: IIBS ]

D J 1 3 8

11-19-2003, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
I'm just waiting for all the black people to come out and defend him. Ahhh...housecleaning is so refreshing. Indeed. God forbid everybody not agree that Eminem is racist.

MYOR

11-19-2003, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by matthew j:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
this just in from the source:

.....

November 19, 2003
Source Magazine

Yes, that is right. DJ Julian is a racist.

click here for the full story:

www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/ (http://www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/) graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Surely no one is taking this thread seriously. It isn't like Dick Cheney said that shit. Whatever. [/QUOTE]man, i hope not. and i really hope that this stuff does not start a race war in hiphop....we def do not need that. [/QUOTE]the boy talks mad shyt about his mama .. his babies mama.. and this actually suprises people.. lawd :(

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
this just in from the source:

.....

November 19, 2003
Source Magazine

Yes, that is right. DJ Julian is a racist.

click here for the full story:

www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/ (http://www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/) graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Surely no one is taking this thread seriously. It isn't like Dick Cheney said that shit. Whatever. [/QUOTE]man, i hope not. and i really hope that this stuff does not start a race war in hiphop....we def do not need that. [/QUOTE]the boy talks mad shyt about his mama .. his babies mama.. and this actually suprises people.. lawd :( [/QUOTE]The beauty of America is that you can have a new saint or savior every day of the week.

mhd

11-19-2003, 03:54 PM

once a cat makes a comment like that, there is really nothing else to add

fred da warrior

11-19-2003, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
this just in from the source:

.....

November 19, 2003
Source Magazine

Yes, that is right. DJ Julian is a racist.

click here for the full story:

www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/ (http://www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/) graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Surely no one is taking this thread seriously. It isn't like Dick Cheney said that shit. Whatever. [/QUOTE]man, i hope not. and i really hope that this stuff does not start a race war in hiphop....we def do not need that. [/QUOTE]the boy talks mad shyt about his mama .. his babies mama.. and this actually suprises people.. lawd :( [/QUOTE]Chris Rock said the same thing at the MTV Awards.

graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

MusicFilter

11-19-2003, 03:54 PM

WHATEVER!

This is just a rhyme. These words have as much power as you give them. Some of what he wrote is true when it comes to some women out here. :rolleyes:

I'm not loosing sleep and some of my best friends are black women. graemlins/cool_shades.gif

c'mon people don't we have better things to be concerned with?! :rolleyes:

D J 1 3 8

11-19-2003, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
Actually, being fairly familiar with his flow, the above rhyme seems like it's completely sarcastic to me. The Source is simply loooking for ammo, anything to discredit the guy that so loudly and irrevocably dissed them and wack-ass Benzino in the eyes and ears of the hip hop community. Sorry but you are really reaching. The shit was racist. [/QUOTE]no kidding it's racist.

I didn't say it wasn't racist.

I'm putting forth the possibiility that it was done sarcastically . To me, the wack-ass rhyme style gives it away.

And, as usual, if you disagree with the DHP groupthink consensus, you must be crazy! http://jukar.biostat.wisc.edu/pics/tinfoilhat.gif [/QUOTE]I apologize if I'm wrong but your post seemed to me to try to excuse the inexcusable. [/QUOTE]rather than make excuses, I am trying to open up the possibiliies of the context in which this wack rhyme was uttered. I could be wrong too. Eminem could be a life-long card-carrying Klan member who's been laughing at the hip hop world all the way to the bank. And during all of his work with other rappers, he was just biting his tongue and hiding his truly racist beliefs. And for his whole career, he surrounded himself with a crew of brothers that he was secretly despising this entire time, just to reach his goal of gaining the respect of the entire hip hop community. Yep. Anything is possible.

Bill Blake

11-19-2003, 03:58 PM

LATE! CLICK FOR THE LATENESS (http://www.jacksonkatz.com/eminem2.html)

[ November 19, 2003, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

MYOR

11-19-2003, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
this just in from the source:

.....

November 19, 2003
Source Magazine

Yes, that is right. DJ Julian is a racist.

click here for the full story:

www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/ (http://www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/) graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Surely no one is taking this thread seriously. It isn't like Dick Cheney said that shit. Whatever. [/QUOTE]man, i hope not. and i really hope that this stuff does not start a race war in hiphop....we def do not need that. [/QUOTE]the boy talks mad shyt about his mama .. his babies mama.. and this actually suprises people.. lawd :( [/QUOTE]The beauty of America is that you can have a new saint or savior every day of the week. [/QUOTE]I'm neither a saint or a savior.. but lets get real here..people... Tell me he went off and bought him mother a new home and a car... Then that'll shock me.. graemlins/rofl.gif

This is neither here or there for me.. The muthfvcker pushes buttons.. and capitalizes on it.. Thats his game.. graemlins/conf44.gif

[ November 19, 2003, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: MYOR ]

drilla

11-19-2003, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
Actually, being fairly familiar with his flow, the above rhyme seems like it's completely sarcastic to me. The Source is simply loooking for ammo, anything to discredit the guy that so loudly and irrevocably dissed them and wack-ass Benzino in the eyes and ears of the hip hop community. Sorry but you are really reaching. The shit was racist. [/QUOTE]no kidding it's racist.

I didn't say it wasn't racist.

I'm putting forth the possibiility that it was done sarcastically . To me, the wack-ass rhyme style gives it away.

And, as usual, if you disagree with the DHP groupthink consensus, you must be crazy! http://jukar.biostat.wisc.edu/pics/tinfoilhat.gif [/QUOTE]I apologize if I'm wrong but your post seemed to me to try to excuse the inexcusable. [/QUOTE]rather than make excuses, I am trying to open up the possibiliies of the context in which this wack rhyme was uttered. I could be wrong too. Eminem could be a life-long card-carrying Klan member who's been laughing at the hip hop world all the way to the bank. And during all of his work with other rappers, he was just biting his tongue and hiding his truly racist beliefs. And for his whole career, he surrounded himself with a crew of brothers that he was secretly despising this entire time, just to reach his goal of gaining the respect of the entire hip hop community. Yep. Anything is possible. [/QUOTE]ha!

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
this just in from the source:

.....

November 19, 2003
Source Magazine

Yes, that is right. DJ Julian is a racist.

click here for the full story:

www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/ (http://www.sourceiswack.com/djjulianhatesblackgirlstoo/) graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Surely no one is taking this thread seriously. It isn't like Dick Cheney said that shit. Whatever. [/QUOTE]man, i hope not. and i really hope that this stuff does not start a race war in hiphop....we def do not need that. [/QUOTE]the boy talks mad shyt about his mama .. his babies mama.. and this actually suprises people.. lawd :( [/QUOTE]The beauty of America is that you can have a new saint or savior every day of the week. [/QUOTE]I'm neither a saint or a savior.. but lets get real here..people... Tell me he went off and bought him mother a new home and a car... Then that'll shock me.. graemlins/rofl.gif

This is neither here or there for me.. The muthfvcker pushes buttons.. and capitalizes on it.. Thats his game.. graemlins/conf44.gif [/QUOTE]You didn't get my meaning. Sorry. What I meant was that everyone will be up in arms over Eminem because everyone loves to beautify or vilify celebrities in the US.

Sorry to be so arcane.

mhd

11-19-2003, 04:03 PM

funny, cats are talking about blacklisting mj and rkelly but shady gets all of this wiggle

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
funny, cats are talking about blacklisting mj and rkelly but shady gets all of this wiggle DOINK! As I said...watch who speaks in support of him...then red-stamp each one of them.

Bill Blake

11-19-2003, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by chgodj3:
WHATEVER!

This is just a rhyme. These words have as much power as you give them. Some of what he wrote is true when it comes to some women out here. :rolleyes:

I'm not loosing sleep and some of my best friends are black women. graemlins/cool_shades.gif

c'mon people don't we have better things to be concerned with?! :rolleyes: Wo?

D J 1 3 8

11-19-2003, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
funny, cats are talking about blacklisting mj and rkelly but shady gets all of this wiggle DOINK! As I said...watch who speaks in support of him...then red-stamp each one of them. [/QUOTE]Indeed. Let's outcast those that don't share our beliefs. They are unclean.

mhd

11-19-2003, 04:08 PM

Bill Blake

11-19-2003, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
funny, cats are talking about blacklisting mj and rkelly but shady gets all of this wiggle Na dude, you got it all wrong……….he didn’t make those comments as Eminem….he made them as Slim Shadie his alter ego, so you cant hold him responsible for anything he says as that….see 138 was right!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

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D J 1 3 8

11-19-2003, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
you and slim shady are entitled to your beliefs about black women, or am i missing something? apparently so, yes.

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
once a cat makes a comment like that, there is really nothing else to add Bingo. Doesn't matter who he hangs out with or any other shit like that.

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
funny, cats are talking about blacklisting mj and rkelly but shady gets all of this wiggle DOINK! As I said...watch who speaks in support of him...then red-stamp each one of them. [/QUOTE]Indeed. Let's outcast those that don't share our beliefs. They are unclean. [/QUOTE]Don't hide the destructiveness of a racist ethic EXPRESSED by one of the BIGGEST SELLERS IN MUSIC behind some liberal, freedom of belief bullshit.

If those are his lyrics and he did spit them in the MIC, he's due all of the scrutiny and scorn they have coming.

Taking NO POSITION in the face of destructive intent is the same as taking a position, Julian.

mhd

11-19-2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
you and slim shady are entitled to your beliefs about black women, or am i missing something? apparently so, yes. [/QUOTE]i must have missed the post where you said the statements about black women were fucked up and that you don't agree with them

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
you and slim shady are entitled to your beliefs about black women, or am i missing something? apparently so, yes. [/QUOTE]i must have missed the post where you said the statements about black women were fucked up and that you don't agree with them [/QUOTE]Ha!

drilla

11-19-2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
funny, cats are talking about blacklisting mj and rkelly but shady gets all of this wiggle this just in from the source...

November 19th, 2003
Source Magazine

Anytime anybody with celebrity standing does anything wrong it should all be put into the same category.

The only comparisons that should ever be made is those that have to do with skin tone.

for more:

www.sourceiswack.com/mhdspeaks (http://www.sourceiswack.com/mhdspeaks)

mhd

11-19-2003, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by chgodj3:
WHATEVER!

This is just a rhyme. These words have as much power as you give them. Some of what he wrote is true when it comes to some women out here. :rolleyes:

I'm not loosing sleep and some of my best friends are black women. graemlins/cool_shades.gif

c'mon people don't we have better things to be concerned with?! :rolleyes: Wo? [/QUOTE]hold up a sec, aren't you the same cat with some serious (black) women problems? chgodj3?

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
funny, cats are talking about blacklisting mj and rkelly but shady gets all of this wiggle DOINK! As I said...watch who speaks in support of him...then red-stamp each one of them. [/QUOTE]Indeed. Let's outcast those that don't share our beliefs. They are unclean. [/QUOTE]Don't hide the destructiveness of a racist ethic EXPRESSED by one of the BIGGEST SELLERS IN MUSIC behind some liberal, freedom of belief bullshit.

If those are his lyrics and he did spit them in the MIC, he's due all of the scrutiny and scorn they have coming.

Taking NO POSITION in the face of destructive intent is the same as taking a position, Julian. [/QUOTE]http://deephousepage.com/smilies/scratchchin.gif HMMMMMMM.............

Leslie

11-19-2003, 04:14 PM

D J 1 3 8

11-19-2003, 04:14 PM

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 04:14 PM

This is neither here or there for me.. The muthfvcker pushes buttons.. and capitalizes on it.. Thats his game..

See... that's the reason I thought that he was overrated (and reminded me of my ex) in the beginning...
No respect for the woman who gave birth to him and the woman who bore his seed...
Wait until Hallie gets old enough to piss him off... she's get it too...

mhd

11-19-2003, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
you and slim shady are entitled to your beliefs about black women, or am i missing something? apparently so, yes. [/QUOTE]i must have missed the post where you said the statements about black women were fucked up and that you don't agree with them [/QUOTE]Do you really think that needs to be said by anybody on this board? If you think that I'm defending the content of those lyrics then you haven't been reading what I'm posting. [/QUOTE]how could you not say it? you were so quick to defend the indefensible but you never disavowed the statement

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
you and slim shady are entitled to your beliefs about black women, or am i missing something? apparently so, yes. [/QUOTE]i must have missed the post where you said the statements about black women were fucked up and that you don't agree with them [/QUOTE]Do you really think that needs to be said by anybody on this board? If you think that I'm defending the content of those lyrics then you haven't been reading what I'm posting. [/QUOTE]how could you not say it? you were so quick to defend the indefensible but you never disavowed the statement [/QUOTE]That statement looks kinda familiar.

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 04:18 PM

mhd

11-19-2003, 04:24 PM

damn, good call!

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 04:25 PM

Julian looks past racist manipulation...but don't stand on the dance floor and frown at the booth...then HE'LL HAFTA CUTCHA! mad1.gif

jimmymack-2000

11-19-2003, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
how could you not say it? you were so quick to defend the indefensible but you never disavowed the statement Eh? So now anytime a story of human tragedy, cruelty, wanton neglect, racism, warmongering, etc. is posted here, all 3,300-plus members must chime in with an obligatory note of condemnation and disapproval before proceeding to post their take on the matter?

Why do I get the feeling that this "you didn't say it was wrong first" call-out wouldn't even be happening if 138 was a different shade...

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Julian looks past racist manipulation...but don't stand on the dance floor and frown at the booth...then HE'LL HAFTA CUTCHA! mad1.gif graemlins/rofl.gif MUST BE THE BLACKS WIT DA SCREWFACE.

MYOR

11-19-2003, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
how could you not say it? you were so quick to defend the indefensible but you never disavowed the statement Eh? So now anytime a story of human tragedy, cruelty, wanton neglect, racism, warmongering, etc. is posted here, all 3,300-plus members must chime in with an obligatory note of condemnation and disapproval before proceeding to post their take on the matter?

Why do I get the feeling that this "you didn't say it was wrong first" call-out wouldn't even be happening if 138 was a different shade... [/QUOTE]No you only need to chime in if its regarding black and white issues.. GET IT RIGHT!! Damn it graemlins/spanka.gif

fred da warrior

11-19-2003, 04:28 PM

Just wondering aloud, 10 years is a long time for Messers. Benzino and Mays to sit on some "important" shit like this, isn't it? I'm sure with the internet and all these mix tapes the Source cops on a daily basis, this revelation sure is , uh, "dusty".

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
how could you not say it? you were so quick to defend the indefensible but you never disavowed the statement Eh? So now anytime a story of human tragedy, cruelty, wanton neglect, racism, warmongering, etc. is posted here, all 3,300-plus members must chime in with an obligatory note of condemnation and disapproval before proceeding to post their take on the matter?

Why do I get the feeling that this "you didn't say it was wrong first" call-out wouldn't even be happening if 138 was a different shade... [/QUOTE]Danny already aluded to those of the other shade defending Eminem I think. Maybe I'm crazy tho.

drilla

11-19-2003, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Julian looks past racist manipulation...but don't stand on the dance floor and frown at the booth...then HE'LL HAFTA CUTCHA! mad1.gif graemlins/rofl.gif MUST BE THE BLACKS WIT DA SCREWFACE. [/QUOTE]you are so wack

D J 1 3 8

11-19-2003, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Don't hide the destructiveness of a racist ethic EXPRESSED by one of the BIGGEST SELLERS IN MUSIC behind some liberal, freedom of belief bullshit.

If those are his lyrics and he did spit them in the MIC, he's due all of the scrutiny and scorn they have coming.

Taking NO POSITION in the face of destructive intent is the same as taking a position, Julian. Honestly, I thought that there was no need among the folks at DHP to point out that those lyrics are clearly racist. I would assume that we're all on the same page regarding what those words are saying. Does being white means that I have to make an extra statement clearly outlining my agreement with those that are offended? Perhaps I give people too much credit. My mistake, no doubt.

Next time I'll preface any comment on race with a clear statement regarding my contempt for racist content. If that's what it takes... I thought we were well past that.

I was never trying to excuse those lyrics under some banner of freedom of belief. I am surprised that people have interpreted my comments as such (especially you) becuz I think I've been pretty clear.

I agree that those lyrics are open to full scrutiny. Scrutiny, however, goes both ways.

I was trying, clearly unsuccessfully, to raise the possibility of context given the history of Eminem as a lyricist. I raised this idea becuz I think it may be valid. I think he has shown a clear pattern of sarcasm and shock value that is relevant to this discussion.

Next time, I guess I will try to choose my words even more carefully than I already do, as I do not want to be red-stamped as a racist for introducing an idea in to a discussion which goes against the tide.

(edited for spelling)

[ November 19, 2003, 04:37 PM: Message edited by: DJ 138 ]

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by fred:
Just wondering aloud, 10 years is a long time for Messers. Benzino and Mays to sit on some "important" shit like this, isn't it? I'm sure with the internet and all these mix tapes the Source cops on a daily basis, this revelation sure is , uh, "dusty". That I agree with. Very....convenient.

Brut by Faberge

11-19-2003, 04:30 PM

as a black woman, i feel it is time for me to kick eminem's hairy white ass

[ November 19, 2003, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: THX-1138 ]

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by matthew j:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Julian looks past racist manipulation...but don't stand on the dance floor and frown at the booth...then HE'LL HAFTA CUTCHA! mad1.gif graemlins/rofl.gif MUST BE THE BLACKS WIT DA SCREWFACE. [/QUOTE]you are so wack [/QUOTE]Whateva

mhd

11-19-2003, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
how could you not say it? you were so quick to defend the indefensible but you never disavowed the statement Eh? So now anytime a story of human tragedy, cruelty, wanton neglect, racism, warmongering, etc. is posted here, all 3,300-plus members must chime in with an obligatory note of condemnation and disapproval before proceeding to post their take on the matter?

Why do I get the feeling that this "you didn't say it was wrong first" call-out wouldn't even be happening if 138 was a different shade... [/QUOTE]you finally catching on, most racist comments happen in the company of people of the same race. so you, rather than i, would have more of an opportunity to end racism, the question is would you?

as for your first point, i think people post about what is important to them

Brut by Faberge

11-19-2003, 04:32 PM

oops

[ November 19, 2003, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: THX-1138 ]

MYOR

11-19-2003, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Don't hide the destructiveness of a racist ethic EXPRESSED by one of the BIGGEST SELLERS IN MUSIC behind some liberal, freedom of belief bullshit.

If those are his lyrics and he did spit them in the MIC, he's due all of the scrutiny and scorn they have coming.

Taking NO POSITION in the face of destructive intent is the same as taking a position, Julian. Honestly, I thought that there was no need among the folks at DHP to point out that those lyrics are clearly racist. I would assume that we're all on the same page regarding what those words are saying. Does being white means that I have to make an extra statement clearly outlining my agreement with those that are offended? Perhaps I give people too much credit. My mistake, no doubt.

Next time I'll preface any comment on race with a clear statement regarding my contempt for racist content. If that's what it takes... I thought we were well past that.

I was never trying to excuse those lyrics under some banner of freedom of belief. I am surprised that people have interpreted my comments as such (especially you) becuz I think I've been pretty clear.

I agree that those lyrics are open to dull scrutiny. Scrutiny, however, goes both ways.

I was trying, clearly unsuccessfully, to raise the possibility of context given the history of Eminem as a lyricist. I raised this idea becuz I think it may be valid. I think he has shown a clear pattern of sarcasm and shock value that is relevant to this discussion.

Next time, I guess I will try to choose my words even more carefully than I already do, as I do not want to be red-stamped as a racist for introducing an idea in to a discussion which goes against the tide. [/QUOTE]Julian haven't you learned that it doesn't really matter what you are saying.. You are white therefore you are guilty.. And need to defend yourself no matter what...

drilla

11-19-2003, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Don't hide the destructiveness of a racist ethic EXPRESSED by one of the BIGGEST SELLERS IN MUSIC behind some liberal, freedom of belief bullshit.

If those are his lyrics and he did spit them in the MIC, he's due all of the scrutiny and scorn they have coming.

Taking NO POSITION in the face of destructive intent is the same as taking a position, Julian. Honestly, I thought that there was no need among the folks at DHP to point out that those lyrics are clearly racist. I would assume that we're all on the same page regarding what those words are saying. Does being white means that I have to make an extra statement clearly outlining my agreement with those that are offended? Perhaps I give people too much credit. My mistake, no doubt.

Next time I'll preface any comment on race with a clear statement regarding my contempt for racist content. If that's what it takes... I thought we were well past that.

I was never trying to excuse those lyrics under some banner of freedom of belief. I am surprised that people have interpreted my comments as such (especially you) becuz I think I've been pretty clear.

I agree that those lyrics are open to dull scrutiny. Scrutiny, however, goes both ways.

I was trying, clearly unsuccessfully, to raise the possibility of context given the history of Eminem as a lyricist. I raised this idea becuz I think it may be valid. I think he has shown a clear pattern of sarcasm and shock value that is relevant to this discussion.

Next time, I guess I will try to choose my words even more carefully than I already do, as I do not want to be red-stamped as a racist for introducing an idea in to a discussion which goes against the tide. [/QUOTE]Julian haven't you learned that it doesn't really matter what you are saying.. You are white therefore you are guilty.. And need to defend yourself no matter what... [/QUOTE]yeah! and did you not read the source article i posted!

mhd

11-19-2003, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Don't hide the destructiveness of a racist ethic EXPRESSED by one of the BIGGEST SELLERS IN MUSIC behind some liberal, freedom of belief bullshit.

If those are his lyrics and he did spit them in the MIC, he's due all of the scrutiny and scorn they have coming.

Taking NO POSITION in the face of destructive intent is the same as taking a position, Julian. Honestly, I thought that there was no need among the folks at DHP to point out that those lyrics are clearly racist. I would assume that we're all on the same page regarding what those words are saying. Does being white means that I have to make an extra statement clearly outlining my agreement with those that are offended? Perhaps I give people too much credit. My mistake, no doubt.

Next time I'll preface any comment on race with a clear statement regarding my contempt for racist content. If that's what it takes... I thought we were well past that.

I was never trying to excuse those lyrics under some banner of freedom of belief. I am surprised that people have interpreted my comments as such (especially you) becuz I think I've been pretty clear.

I agree that those lyrics are open to dull scrutiny. Scrutiny, however, goes both ways.

I was trying, clearly unsuccessfully, to raise the possibility of context given the history of Eminem as a lyricist. I raised this idea becuz I think it may be valid. I think he has shown a clear pattern of sarcasm and shock value that is relevant to this discussion.

Next time, I guess I will try to choose my words even more carefully than I already do, as I do not want to be red-stamped as a racist for introducing an idea in to a discussion which goes against the tide. [/QUOTE]do you really need to explain his sarcasm and shock value? yet silent on the content?

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 04:37 PM

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Don't hide the destructiveness of a racist ethic EXPRESSED by one of the BIGGEST SELLERS IN MUSIC behind some liberal, freedom of belief bullshit.

If those are his lyrics and he did spit them in the MIC, he's due all of the scrutiny and scorn they have coming.

Taking NO POSITION in the face of destructive intent is the same as taking a position, Julian. Honestly, I thought that there was no need among the folks at DHP to point out that those lyrics are clearly racist. I would assume that we're all on the same page regarding what those words are saying. Does being white means that I have to make an extra statement clearly outlining my agreement with those that are offended? Perhaps I give people too much credit. My mistake, no doubt.

Next time I'll preface any comment on race with a clear statement regarding my contempt for racist content. If that's what it takes... I thought we were well past that.

I was never trying to excuse those lyrics under some banner of freedom of belief. I am surprised that people have interpreted my comments as such (especially you) becuz I think I've been pretty clear.

I agree that those lyrics are open to dull scrutiny. Scrutiny, however, goes both ways.

I was trying, clearly unsuccessfully, to raise the possibility of context given the history of Eminem as a lyricist. I raised this idea becuz I think it may be valid. I think he has shown a clear pattern of sarcasm and shock value that is relevant to this discussion.

Next time, I guess I will try to choose my words even more carefully than I already do, as I do not want to be red-stamped as a racist for introducing an idea in to a discussion which goes against the tide. [/QUOTE]Maybe Trent Lott had a black girl break his heart too... graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

C'maaaaaannnn Julian! Laugh, man! graemlins/rofl.gif

MYOR

11-19-2003, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Don't hide the destructiveness of a racist ethic EXPRESSED by one of the BIGGEST SELLERS IN MUSIC behind some liberal, freedom of belief bullshit.

If those are his lyrics and he did spit them in the MIC, he's due all of the scrutiny and scorn they have coming.

Taking NO POSITION in the face of destructive intent is the same as taking a position, Julian. Honestly, I thought that there was no need among the folks at DHP to point out that those lyrics are clearly racist. I would assume that we're all on the same page regarding what those words are saying. Does being white means that I have to make an extra statement clearly outlining my agreement with those that are offended? Perhaps I give people too much credit. My mistake, no doubt.

Next time I'll preface any comment on race with a clear statement regarding my contempt for racist content. If that's what it takes... I thought we were well past that.

I was never trying to excuse those lyrics under some banner of freedom of belief. I am surprised that people have interpreted my comments as such (especially you) becuz I think I've been pretty clear.

I agree that those lyrics are open to dull scrutiny. Scrutiny, however, goes both ways.

I was trying, clearly unsuccessfully, to raise the possibility of context given the history of Eminem as a lyricist. I raised this idea becuz I think it may be valid. I think he has shown a clear pattern of sarcasm and shock value that is relevant to this discussion.

Next time, I guess I will try to choose my words even more carefully than I already do, as I do not want to be red-stamped as a racist for introducing an idea in to a discussion which goes against the tide. [/QUOTE]Julian haven't you learned that it doesn't really matter what you are saying.. You are white therefore you are guilty.. And need to defend yourself no matter what... [/QUOTE]Weak! [/QUOTE]I calls em as I sees em...

assholes delight

11-19-2003, 04:39 PM

People can talk about him all they want by giving him publicity and the staying power he created. In 20 years what will truly be remembered? Black Eyed Peas? No. He will go down in history with Biggie and Tupac no matter what you, this messageboard, or any other board thinks.

Anyone who can stand out from the crowd lasts.
Why do Ron and Larry keep getting mentioned again and again and again and again?
Because they had talent, stood out from the sheep,and connected with people.

If he really is a racist then fuck him and boycott the motherfucker bottom line.

Sometimes it aint cool to tell the truth.

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Don't hide the destructiveness of a racist ethic EXPRESSED by one of the BIGGEST SELLERS IN MUSIC behind some liberal, freedom of belief bullshit.

If those are his lyrics and he did spit them in the MIC, he's due all of the scrutiny and scorn they have coming.

Taking NO POSITION in the face of destructive intent is the same as taking a position, Julian. Honestly, I thought that there was no need among the folks at DHP to point out that those lyrics are clearly racist. I would assume that we're all on the same page regarding what those words are saying. Does being white means that I have to make an extra statement clearly outlining my agreement with those that are offended? Perhaps I give people too much credit. My mistake, no doubt.

Next time I'll preface any comment on race with a clear statement regarding my contempt for racist content. If that's what it takes... I thought we were well past that.

I was never trying to excuse those lyrics under some banner of freedom of belief. I am surprised that people have interpreted my comments as such (especially you) becuz I think I've been pretty clear.

I agree that those lyrics are open to dull scrutiny. Scrutiny, however, goes both ways.

I was trying, clearly unsuccessfully, to raise the possibility of context given the history of Eminem as a lyricist. I raised this idea becuz I think it may be valid. I think he has shown a clear pattern of sarcasm and shock value that is relevant to this discussion.

Next time, I guess I will try to choose my words even more carefully than I already do, as I do not want to be red-stamped as a racist for introducing an idea in to a discussion which goes against the tide. [/QUOTE]Julian haven't you learned that it doesn't really matter what you are saying.. You are white therefore you are guilty.. And need to defend yourself no matter what... [/QUOTE]Weak! [/QUOTE]I calls em as I sees em... [/QUOTE]I only asked him why(in my eyes I could be wrong) he was trying to defend Eminems statement. They are not defendable. I don't think that makes Julian racist. He doesn't have to defend himself. He hasn't done anything.

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Don't hide the destructiveness of a racist ethic EXPRESSED by one of the BIGGEST SELLERS IN MUSIC behind some liberal, freedom of belief bullshit.

If those are his lyrics and he did spit them in the MIC, he's due all of the scrutiny and scorn they have coming.

Taking NO POSITION in the face of destructive intent is the same as taking a position, Julian. Honestly, I thought that there was no need among the folks at DHP to point out that those lyrics are clearly racist. I would assume that we're all on the same page regarding what those words are saying. Does being white means that I have to make an extra statement clearly outlining my agreement with those that are offended? Perhaps I give people too much credit. My mistake, no doubt.

Next time I'll preface any comment on race with a clear statement regarding my contempt for racist content. If that's what it takes... I thought we were well past that.

I was never trying to excuse those lyrics under some banner of freedom of belief. I am surprised that people have interpreted my comments as such (especially you) becuz I think I've been pretty clear.

I agree that those lyrics are open to dull scrutiny. Scrutiny, however, goes both ways.

I was trying, clearly unsuccessfully, to raise the possibility of context given the history of Eminem as a lyricist. I raised this idea becuz I think it may be valid. I think he has shown a clear pattern of sarcasm and shock value that is relevant to this discussion.

Next time, I guess I will try to choose my words even more carefully than I already do, as I do not want to be red-stamped as a racist for introducing an idea in to a discussion which goes against the tide. [/QUOTE]Julian haven't you learned that it doesn't really matter what you are saying.. You are white therefore you are guilty.. And need to defend yourself no matter what... [/QUOTE]Weak! [/QUOTE]I calls em as I sees em... [/QUOTE]I only asked him why(in my eyes I could be wrong) he was trying to defend Eminems statement. They are not defendable. I don't think that makes Julian racist. He doesn't have to defend himself. He hasn't done anything. [/QUOTE]Everyone read this twice. Eargasm closed the loop on it. Carry on...maybe Newt Gingrich liked black girls...bwahahahaha

corwin

11-19-2003, 04:46 PM

Eminem should be fist-fucked by the editors of Ms. and Essence Magazines then forced to clean their offices wearing a neon french maid uniform with no cleaning supplies except his own spit and rank doo-rag.

Then fired with no pay and escorted from the premises.

D J 1 3 8

11-19-2003, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Maybe Trent Lott had a black girl break his heart too... graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

C'maaaaaannnn Julian! Laugh, man! graemlins/rofl.gif Maybe I'll have to http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:UEf82Ou-8q4C:www.xaraxone.com/webxealot/workbook03/1_rubberstamp_12.gif YOU...
then I'll get the last laugh...

MYOR

11-19-2003, 04:51 PM

I only asked him why(in my eyes I could be wrong) he was trying to defend Eminems statement. They are not defendable. I don't think that makes Julian racist. He doesn't have to defend himself. He hasn't done anything. [/QB]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Eargasm:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Julian looks past racist manipulation...but don't stand on the dance floor and frown at the booth...then HE'LL HAFTA CUTCHA!
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MUST BE THE BLACKS WIT DA SCREWFACE.

Please don't bs..

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Maybe Trent Lott had a black girl break his heart too... graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

C'maaaaaannnn Julian! Laugh, man! graemlins/rofl.gif Maybe I'll have to http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:UEf82Ou-8q4C:www.xaraxone.com/webxealot/workbook03/1_rubberstamp_12.gif YOU...
then I'll get the last laugh... [/QUOTE]C'maaaaannnnn!

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by homewrecker:
People can talk about him all they want by giving him publicity and the staying power he created. In 20 years what will truly be remembered? Black Eyed Peas? No. He will go down in history with Biggie and Tupac no matter what you, this messageboard, or any other board thinks.

Anyone who can stand out from the crowd lasts.
Why do Ron and Larry keep getting mentioned again and again and again and again?
Because they had talent, stood out from the sheep,and connected with people.

If he really is a racist then fuck him and boycott the motherfucker bottom line.

Sometimes it aint cool to tell the truth. Hi Homewrecker! smile.gif

When you said 'Sometimes it aint cool to tell the truth.' who were you talking about? Em? Or the posters? I think that I misunderstood your meaning...

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />I only asked him why(in my eyes I could be wrong) he was trying to defend Eminems statement. They are not defendable. I don't think that makes Julian racist. He doesn't have to defend himself. He hasn't done anything. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Eargasm:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Julian looks past racist manipulation...but don't stand on the dance floor and frown at the booth...then HE'LL HAFTA CUTCHA!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MUST BE THE BLACKS WIT DA SCREWFACE.

Please don't bs.. [/QB][/QUOTE]Here you are instigating again... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

I already know where Julian is coming from, MYOR. We've been at it for a long time. Just be easy - no one here is seriously considering that Julian is racist.

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 04:54 PM

MYOR

11-19-2003, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />I only asked him why(in my eyes I could be wrong) he was trying to defend Eminems statement. They are not defendable. I don't think that makes Julian racist. He doesn't have to defend himself. He hasn't done anything. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Eargasm:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Julian looks past racist manipulation...but don't stand on the dance floor and frown at the booth...then HE'LL HAFTA CUTCHA!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MUST BE THE BLACKS WIT DA SCREWFACE.

Please don't bs.. [/QUOTE]Here you are instigating again... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

I already know where Julian is coming from, MYOR. We've been at it for a long time. Just be easy - no one here is seriously considering that Julian is racist. [/QB][/QUOTE]No not instigating just showing you how you put people on the defensive.... just b/c they are white... but maybe i'm the only one that sees this..

mhd

11-19-2003, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />I only asked him why(in my eyes I could be wrong) he was trying to defend Eminems statement. They are not defendable. I don't think that makes Julian racist. He doesn't have to defend himself. He hasn't done anything. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Eargasm:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Julian looks past racist manipulation...but don't stand on the dance floor and frown at the booth...then HE'LL HAFTA CUTCHA!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MUST BE THE BLACKS WIT DA SCREWFACE.

Please don't bs.. [/QUOTE]Here you are instigating again... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

I already know where Julian is coming from, MYOR. We've been at it for a long time. Just be easy - no one here is seriously considering that Julian is racist. [/QUOTE]No not instigating just showing you how you put people on the defensive.... just b/c they are white... but maybe i'm the only one that sees this.. [/QB][/QUOTE]you must not read this board carefully if you think that

MYOR

11-19-2003, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />I only asked him why(in my eyes I could be wrong) he was trying to defend Eminems statement. They are not defendable. I don't think that makes Julian racist. He doesn't have to defend himself. He hasn't done anything. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Eargasm:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Julian looks past racist manipulation...but don't stand on the dance floor and frown at the booth...then HE'LL HAFTA CUTCHA!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MUST BE THE BLACKS WIT DA SCREWFACE.

Please don't bs.. [/QUOTE]Here you are instigating again... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

I already know where Julian is coming from, MYOR. We've been at it for a long time. Just be easy - no one here is seriously considering that Julian is racist. [/QUOTE]No not instigating just showing you how you put people on the defensive.... just b/c they are white... but maybe i'm the only one that sees this.. [/QUOTE]you must not read this board carefully if you think that [/QB][/QUOTE]No maybe i read it too carefull... Again I call them as I see them.

[ November 19, 2003, 04:59 PM: Message edited by: MYOR ]

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 05:03 PM

MYOR - is it always your responsibility to make 'da white folks feel comfortable?

C'maaaaan. If you think this is the first time the same small crowd has gone back and forth like this, you ain't been watchin' long. This is routine.

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
//--Again I call them as I see them. http://www.lenscrafters.com/

Moksha

11-19-2003, 05:06 PM

Sexism and racism in hip-hop?!?!? OOooooo. Fucking shocking!

Had he said "white girl" would it have been okay? It would still be racist.

People getting worked up about this is bullshit. Just like white people are fucking stupid for trying, convicting and sentencing Mike Tyson, O.J. and Kobe with no evidence, black people should be careful about doing the same to Em. Why are people so eager to take down people from other races?

By the way. . .statuatory RAPE, and a dusty tape with some questionable hip-hop lyrics ARE NOT comparable.

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
Sexism and racism in hip-hop?!?!? OOooooo. Fucking shocking!

Had he said "white girl" would it have been okay? It would still be racist.

People getting worked up about this is bullshit. Just like white people are fucking stupid for trying, convicting and sentencing Mike Tyson, O.J. and Kobe with no evidence, black people should be careful about doing the same to Em. Why are people so eager to take down people from other races?

By the way. . .statuatory RAPE, and a dusty tape with some questionable hip-hop lyrics ARE NOT comparable. How did I know you'd be here... ;)

mhd

11-19-2003, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
Sexism and racism in hip-hop?!?!? OOooooo. Fucking shocking!

Had he said "white girl" would it have been okay? It would still be racist.

People getting worked up about this is bullshit. Just like white people are fucking stupid for trying, convicting and sentencing Mike Tyson, O.J. and Kobe with no evidence, black people should be careful about doing the same to Em. Why are people so eager to take down people from other races?

By the way. . .statuatory RAPE, and a dusty tape with some questionable hip-hop lyrics ARE NOT comparable. How did I know you'd be here... ;) [/QUOTE]on cue, and knew his lines

imported_Gman

11-19-2003, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />I only asked him why(in my eyes I could be wrong) he was trying to defend Eminems statement. They are not defendable. I don't think that makes Julian racist. He doesn't have to defend himself. He hasn't done anything. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Eargasm:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Julian looks past racist manipulation...but don't stand on the dance floor and frown at the booth...then HE'LL HAFTA CUTCHA!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MUST BE THE BLACKS WIT DA SCREWFACE.

Please don't bs.. [/QUOTE]Here you are instigating again... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

I already know where Julian is coming from, MYOR. We've been at it for a long time. Just be easy - no one here is seriously considering that Julian is racist. [/QUOTE]No not instigating just showing you how you put people on the defensive.... just b/c they are white... but maybe i'm the only one that sees this.. [/QUOTE]you must not read this board carefully if you think that [/QUOTE]No maybe i read it too carefull... Again I call them as I see them. [/QB][/QUOTE]I've seen Danny put black folks on the defensive when it comes to their views on racial issues on this board. Hell he puts everybody on the defensive.. smile.gif

mhd

11-19-2003, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
//--Again I call them as I see them. http://www.lenscrafters.com/ [/QUOTE]c'mon myor, you know that shit was funny

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by Gman:
//--I've seen Danny put black folks on the defensive when it comes to their views on racial issues on this board. Hell he puts everybody on the defensive.. smile.gif Thanks Gman...now what's up with my comic strip. I can improve the lettering and resize it.

I've got big plans, man! Give a brova a shot!

Moksha

11-19-2003, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />I only asked him why(in my eyes I could be wrong) he was trying to defend Eminems statement. They are not defendable. I don't think that makes Julian racist. He doesn't have to defend himself. He hasn't done anything. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Eargasm:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Julian looks past racist manipulation...but don't stand on the dance floor and frown at the booth...then HE'LL HAFTA CUTCHA!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MUST BE THE BLACKS WIT DA SCREWFACE.

Please don't bs.. [/QUOTE]Here you are instigating again... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

I already know where Julian is coming from, MYOR. We've been at it for a long time. Just be easy - no one here is seriously considering that Julian is racist. [/QUOTE]No not instigating just showing you how you put people on the defensive.... just b/c they are white... but maybe i'm the only one that sees this.. [/QB][/QUOTE]Yes. . .he does. And, the white people here go into defensive mode way too easily, too. . . Which can easily be seen as suspect. So, his actions are kinda understanable.

Moksha

11-19-2003, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
[QB] now what's up with my comic strip. DHP, regular comic strip=good idea

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
[QB] now what's up with my comic strip. DHP, regular comic strip=good idea [/QUOTE]Man, did you vote?!

music

11-19-2003, 05:25 PM

question: Are we surprise?

[ November 19, 2003, 05:27 PM: Message edited by: music ]

kev

11-19-2003, 05:26 PM

Not in any way defending Em, but "The Source" has not been very credible to most Hip Hop heads since the first incident with the Almighty RSO. The RSO was a group that Mr. Mays was managing at the time and fired a bunch of writers that wouldn't write a good review about one of their albums. Benzino was also a part of the group.

http://www.daveyd.com/fnvcom40critics.html

Here the Lost Boyz are referring to the recent rumblings that have come out of the Source camp where their most recent editor Selwyn Seyfu Hinds vacated his post after publisher/owner Dave Mays went behind the back of his editorial staff and changed the low ratings given to 'his group/friends' Made Men to a higher one. A widely circulated industry letter was released a couple of weeks ago explaining this incident in great detail. Hip Hop deejays were being encouraged to boycott the magazine. For many, the whole incident brought back unpleasant memories of what went down at The Source a few years ago when many from their original staff broke camp after Mays was accused of subverting his editorial staff by slipping in a favorable article about the same group. It's ironic that a similar incident would occur. To date there was another letter that's been circulating explaining that Seyfu Hinds had taken a job with an on line publication being put together by Russell Simmons, however Source publisher Dave Mays asserts that the info is not totally correct and that while it's true Hinds is stepping down as editor and chief he will remain on staff to help put together the December '99 issue.

fred da warrior

11-19-2003, 05:28 PM

For homework tonight.....

Would anyone care to investigate Ray Benzino's body of work with the Almight Rso back in 1993? Surely before his many character metamorphisis (sp?) under the umbrella of ABJECT WACKNESS, back in the projects of Boston, I'm pretty sure that he laced his rhymes with same bitches and hoes that he willfully wants to expose Em for, while longing for the experience to bang a coulpa white chicks to so he can add that to the rhyme book under the subject, uh, "bitches and hoes".

I'm fairly certain that they ,i.e. Ray and his crew, weren't rhyming about pooling our resources and building schools n' shit.

More importantly, for all the hip hop purists, why involve yourselves in a discussion about two cats that wouldn't be considered hip hop anyway?

music

11-19-2003, 05:29 PM

eminem should pay the price like others. now we really know how he feels about black people.

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 05:31 PM

MYOR - you see me in BLACK and WHITE. No gray area.

I don't jump on the "Kill the mysognyst" and I don't respect women? I rib someone about their view on a subject and I'm immediately making people feel defensive because they're white?

Be cool, DHP Policewoman.

http://www.spankoz.net/images/angie_dickinson_pw.jpg

Moksha

11-19-2003, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
[QB] now what's up with my comic strip. DHP, regular comic strip=good idea [/QUOTE]Man, did you vote?! [/QUOTE]link?

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
[QB] now what's up with my comic strip. DHP, regular comic strip=good idea [/QUOTE]Man, did you vote?! [/QUOTE]link? [/QUOTE]http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=040841

Check 'em out and vote for the strip!

MYOR

11-19-2003, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
MYOR - is it always your responsibility to make 'da white folks feel comfortable?

C'maaaaan. If you think this is the first time the same small crowd has gone back and forth like this, you ain't been watchin' long. This is routine. Is it no its just my responsibility not to stay shut when i see thing I don't like.. Is it your to make them feel uncomfortable..

What is that saying alway tripping on the same rock....

BTW, Why is it when i point shit out its instigating..

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
MYOR - is it always your responsibility to make 'da white folks feel comfortable?

C'maaaaan. If you think this is the first time the same small crowd has gone back and forth like this, you ain't been watchin' long. This is routine. Is it no its just my responsibility not to stay shut when i see thing I don't like.. Is it your to make them feel uncomfortable..

What is that saying alway tripping on the same rock....

BTW, Why is it when i point shit out its instigating.. [/QUOTE]Could've used you in Iraq. Surely YOU could find some WMD. icon_rofl.gif

MYOR

11-19-2003, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
//--Again I call them as I see them. http://www.lenscrafters.com/ [/QUOTE]c'mon myor, you know that shit was funny [/QUOTE]graemlins/tongueout.gif I do wear glasses, just not from lenscrafters....

D J 1 3 8

11-19-2003, 06:02 PM

For the record: I think slavery is bad.

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
For the record: I think slavery is bad. Yea...but we got some great soulful music out of it.

daniel

11-19-2003, 06:34 PM

i wonder how much the source spent trying to track that thing down.

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
For the record: I think slavery is bad. graemlins/rofl.gif My drink came flying out of my nose when I read this. Funny shit man.

[ November 19, 2003, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: Eargasm ]

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 07:24 PM

America`s THE SOURCE magazine played a tape of the tracks they claim were recorded in 1993 when Eminem was 21 at a press conference in New York yesterday (18NOV03).

In them, Eminem raps about a bad experience with a black girlfriend and warns of the dangers of dating black women, "Blacks and whites they sometimes mix / but black girls only want your money cause they`re dumb chicks.

He continued, "Don`t date a black girl / if you do it once you won`t do it twice.

"Black girls are dumb, and white girls are good chicks."

Eminem, 31, quickly issued a statement following the revelations, admitting he was responsible for the tracks, but defending his actions as immature "stupidity", claiming they were recorded when he was a teenager.

The statement reads, "The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager.

"I`d just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African-American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was. I hope people will take it for the foolishness that it was, not for what somebody is trying to make it into today."

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
America`s THE SOURCE magazine played a tape of the tracks they claim were recorded in 1993 when Eminem was 21 at a press conference in New York yesterday (18NOV03).

In them, Eminem raps about a bad experience with a black girlfriend and warns of the dangers of dating black women, "Blacks and whites they sometimes mix / but black girls only want your money cause they`re dumb chicks.

He continued, "Don`t date a black girl / if you do it once you won`t do it twice.

"Black girls are dumb, and white girls are good chicks."

Eminem, 31, quickly issued a statement following the revelations, admitting he was responsible for the tracks, but defending his actions as immature "stupidity", claiming they were recorded when he was a teenager.

The statement reads, "The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager.

"I`d just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African-American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was. I hope people will take it for the foolishness that it was, not for what somebody is trying to make it into today." Hmmm...doesn't seem like enough...

daniel

11-19-2003, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
America`s THE SOURCE magazine played a tape of the tracks they claim were recorded in 1993 when Eminem was 21 at a press conference in New York yesterday (18NOV03).

In them, Eminem raps about a bad experience with a black girlfriend and warns of the dangers of dating black women, "Blacks and whites they sometimes mix / but black girls only want your money cause they`re dumb chicks.

He continued, "Don`t date a black girl / if you do it once you won`t do it twice.

"Black girls are dumb, and white girls are good chicks."

Eminem, 31, quickly issued a statement following the revelations, admitting he was responsible for the tracks, but defending his actions as immature "stupidity", claiming they were recorded when he was a teenager.

The statement reads, "The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager.

"I`d just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African-American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was. I hope people will take it for the foolishness that it was, not for what somebody is trying to make it into today." Hmmm...doesn't seem like enough... [/QUOTE]go ahead, bug eminem for reparations.

JoeB

11-19-2003, 07:45 PM

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by JoeB:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
America`s THE SOURCE magazine played a tape of the tracks they claim were recorded in 1993 when Eminem was 21 at a press conference in New York yesterday (18NOV03).

In them, Eminem raps about a bad experience with a black girlfriend and warns of the dangers of dating black women, "Blacks and whites they sometimes mix / but black girls only want your money cause they`re dumb chicks.

He continued, "Don`t date a black girl / if you do it once you won`t do it twice.

"Black girls are dumb, and white girls are good chicks."

Eminem, 31, quickly issued a statement following the revelations, admitting he was responsible for the tracks, but defending his actions as immature "stupidity", claiming they were recorded when he was a teenager.

The statement reads, "The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager.

"I`d just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African-American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was. I hope people will take it for the foolishness that it was, not for what somebody is trying to make it into today." Hmmm...doesn't seem like enough... [/QUOTE]just curious, danny, but what else would make it enough? [/QUOTE]We'll have to see what impact it has. My guess is that the average Eminem fan is a white male anyhow, so I don't think it'll erode his popularity one bit. Those at Interscope and Imagine Entertainment are experiencing some serious cash from him, so nothing's happening there either.

Michael Jackson is receiving an arrest warrant only AFTER he's considered "broke". See Em after his album sales slip and maybe then he'll have to provide a deeper "explanation".

Funny - where are the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jackson's now? Waiting for the premiere of Barbershop 2 maybe?

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by daniel:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
America`s THE SOURCE magazine played a tape of the tracks they claim were recorded in 1993 when Eminem was 21 at a press conference in New York yesterday (18NOV03).

In them, Eminem raps about a bad experience with a black girlfriend and warns of the dangers of dating black women, "Blacks and whites they sometimes mix / but black girls only want your money cause they`re dumb chicks.

He continued, "Don`t date a black girl / if you do it once you won`t do it twice.

"Black girls are dumb, and white girls are good chicks."

Eminem, 31, quickly issued a statement following the revelations, admitting he was responsible for the tracks, but defending his actions as immature "stupidity", claiming they were recorded when he was a teenager.

The statement reads, "The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager.

"I`d just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African-American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was. I hope people will take it for the foolishness that it was, not for what somebody is trying to make it into today." Hmmm...doesn't seem like enough... [/QUOTE]go ahead, bug eminem for reparations. [/QUOTE]You are a moron.

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 08:06 PM

Funny - where are the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jackson's now? Waiting for the premiere of Barbershop 2 maybe? [/QB]LMAO!!! You're prolly right... graemlins/rofl5.gif

Bold Soul

11-19-2003, 08:16 PM

When I was younger, I attempted to get caught up in all the "white devil" this and that in the late 80's/early 90's. There was a lot of Hip Hop that dropped "science" and "mathematics" about "the grafted man" and "the 5 %" and whatever.

Funny - at night, you sit at a "mosque" and hear 'white devil' this and 'original man' that, but then the cool "white" people at work share their lunch with you when you're out of money. Your boss begins to help you with college tuition...and she's white. Your neighbor helps you watch your kids when you're late getting out of class...and he's white...then all sorts of theories break down...all sorts of levels of "LOGIC" that were sooooo fuckin' clear when the strong brova with the bow-tie or the turban and jalabiya dropped it so clearly TOTALLY ERODE.

If someone gave me a budget to make a film when I was 18 years old and playing "Welcome to the Terrordome" in my headphones 24 hours per day, who knows what kind of racist drivel I may have come up with. Ways I thought, things I said, levels of influence I applied to people in my circle of friends - it is so far removed from everything I understand NOW...but I still have to own it.

If this Eminem thing doesn't make a peep, it's because his fan base is, as many suspect, nearly all white American. If it causes a roar, it will be because people of many different races feel betrayed.

If betrayal is the rule, I hope he approaches it assertively. Americans don't require any more division than the current political climate already maintains. :(

[ November 19, 2003, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

Bill Blake

11-19-2003, 10:28 PM

Fact is the guy has still been reciting vile remarks towards women long after he was 21, oops I meant ‘teenager’.

BHouse

11-19-2003, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
When I was younger, I attempted to get caught up in all the "white devil" this and that in the late 80's/early 90's. There was a lot of Hip Hop that dropped "science" and "mathematics" about "the grafted man" and "the 5 %" and whatever.

Funny - at night, you sit at a "mosque" and hear 'white devil' this and 'original man' that, but then the cool "white" people at work share their lunch with you when you're out of money. Your boss begins to help you with college tuition...and she's white. Your neighbor helps you watch your kids when you're late getting out of class...and he's white...then all sorts of theories break down...all sorts of levels of "LOGIC" that were sooooo fuckin' clear when the strong brova with the bow-tie or the turban and jalabiya dropped it so clearly TOTALLY ERODE.

If someone gave me a budget to make a film when I was 18 years old and playing "Welcome to the Terrordome" in my headphones 24 hours per day, who knows what kind of racist drivel I may have come up with. Ways I thought, things I said, levels of influence I applied to people in my circle of friends - it is so far removed from everything I understand NOW...but I still have to own it.I totally agree with the above statement. Eminem is a white man, using a "black" artform to sell it to whites and blacks... Nothing different from Elvis, Fred Durst, Bubba Sparxx, so on and so forth... I have more of a problem with black artists who say degrading things about black women who don't own up to it... I give EMINEM credit for issuing a statement explaining the reason behind the song. And I can see him venting his frustration this way... This is his M.O...
Nothing out of the ordinary that we haven't seen from him in the past... What about black artists who do the same thing and don't try to make amends? Look at R. Kelly? He is hotter than ever... But denies his participation in the tape... Michael Jackson... Innocent til proven guilty... Tupac was convicted of rape??? He is damn martyr now... Mystical? What so called black leader actually stand up and saying about EMINEM with out first acknowledging other artists who have made worse songs...? Not Jesse Jackson!!!

[ November 19, 2003, 10:39 PM: Message edited by: BHouse ]

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Fact is the guy has still been reciting vile remarks towards women long after he was 21, oops I meant ‘teenager’. you caught that right? lol em is one funny dude...

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
When I was younger, I attempted to get caught up in all the "white devil" this and that in the late 80's/early 90's. There was a lot of Hip Hop that dropped "science" and "mathematics" about "the grafted man" and "the 5 %" and whatever.

Funny - at night, you sit at a "mosque" and hear 'white devil' this and 'original man' that, but then the cool "white" people at work share their lunch with you when you're out of money. Your boss begins to help you with college tuition...and she's white. Your neighbor helps you watch your kids when you're late getting out of class...and he's white...then all sorts of theories break down...all sorts of levels of "LOGIC" that were sooooo fuckin' clear when the strong brova with the bow-tie or the turban and jalabiya dropped it so clearly TOTALLY ERODE.

If someone gave me a budget to make a film when I was 18 years old and playing "Welcome to the Terrordome" in my headphones 24 hours per day, who knows what kind of racist drivel I may have come up with. Ways I thought, things I said, levels of influence I applied to people in my circle of friends - it is so far removed from everything I understand NOW...but I still have to own it.

If this Eminem thing doesn't make a peep, it's because his fan base is, as many suspect, nearly all white American. If it causes a roar, it will be because people of many different races feel betrayed.

If betrayal is the rule, I hope he approaches it assertively. Americans don't require any more division than the current political climate already maintains. :( been there too...
it was about confusion for me... grew up with seaseme street and the electric company and was shocked into reality when i was thrusted out into the real world...
went out and educated myself... stuff they didn't teach me in school... spent a few years resentful and bitter... got over myself smile.gif
now i'm back, watching seaseme street...

11-20-2003, 01:39 AM

I just saw this story on the news and I'm not one bit surprised. Kinda weird that he's dissing a Black man with an art that the Black man invented. I never liked the guy anyway. I always thought he was a fake. Just my opinion.

Dj Pat

11-20-2003, 10:06 AM

I trip about this whole situation.
I remember when N.W.A First came out, it was a big mess about there lyrics de-grading Black Woman and Culture, yet hardly no-one (who was black) never said a word about that. Most Brothers and Sisters was saying"Ohh, thats how it is in the Hood", "We live in the Ghetto!" But to my understanding,the world is a Ghetto!
So now Em's cd came out, but he said the same thing that everyone else been saying for year's. Ohh my, I forgot...he's white! And, whats your point about that?
Black on Black racial tones has been going on since day one, sad but true.
Now people are saying that Em Shouldnt have said what he said, but for the past 15 yrs we as blacks has been calling one-another hoes and bitches, nigger, my nigger, or that classic "thats my nigger!"
I think that our black leaders, past and present, has Faught long and hard for us to be known as blacks and to be rocognize as Americans. But along the way "Nigger" became a part of every day life.

Dj Pat
Physical Heat Music.

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Blue:
I trip about this whole situation.
I remember when N.W.A First came out, it was a big mess about there lyrics de-grading Black Woman and Culture, yet hardly no-one (who was black) never said a word about that. Most Brothers and Sisters was saying"Ohh, thats how it is in the Hood", "We live in the Ghetto!" But to my understanding,the world is a Ghetto!
So now Em's cd came out, but he said the same thing that everyone else been saying for year's. Ohh my, I forgot...he's white! And, whats your point about that?
Black on Black racial tones has been going on since day one, sad but true.
Now people are saying that Em Shouldnt have said what he said, but for the past 15 yrs we as blacks has been calling one-another hoes and bitches, nigger, my nigger, or that classic "thats my nigger!"
I think that our black leaders, past and present, has Faught long and hard for us to be known as blacks and to be rocognize as Americans. But along the way "Nigger" became a part of every day life.

Dj Pat
Physical Heat Music. Um...C. Dolores Tucker...remember her?

Insert pseudonym here

11-20-2003, 10:53 AM

Eminem may be inducted as an honarary (sp?) member of the British National Party or the Cluck Cluck Klan.

I've never bought his music... Dre or no Dre.

Note 1: Remember the word culture rhymes with VULTURE. (Those of us who remember hip hop from the beginning will get that!)

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[ November 20, 2003, 10:55 AM: Message edited by: Insert pseudonym here ]

dj c-los

11-20-2003, 10:57 AM

Although Eminem is caught in that contraversy and he may have to find an excuse for that track.

Guess whose laughing on his way to the bank with him.

This coin has two sides.

http://www.kaczuszka.force9.co.uk/cov/dre.jpg

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 11:02 AM

does anyone here read bell hooks?

She wrote a fine article called:
Sexism and Misogyny: Who Takes The Rap?
Misogyny, gangsta rap, and The Piano

it can be found on the web... i would post a link but i don't know how...

she has an interesting take... it was written in 1994... still relevant...

kev

11-20-2003, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by fred:
Would anyone care to investigate Ray Benzino's body of work with the Almight Rso back in 1993? Surely before his many character metamorphisis (sp?) under the umbrella of ABJECT WACKNESS, back in the projects of Boston, I'm pretty sure that he laced his rhymes with same bitches and hoes that he willfully wants to expose Em for, while longing for the experience to bang a coulpa white chicks to so he can add that to the rhyme book under the subject, uh, "bitches and hoes".

I'm fairly certain that they ,i.e. Ray and his crew, weren't rhyming about pooling our resources and building schools n' shit.

More importantly, for all the hip hop purists, why involve yourselves in a discussion about two cats that wouldn't be considered hip hop anyway?

Mocambo

11-20-2003, 11:50 AM

Eminem Says Tape Was Made As A Frustrated Teen
By Big Dee Irwin
Date: 11/19/2003 12:00 PM

At a press conference in New York yesterday, The Source Magazine unveiled a tape recording of Eminem freestyling, using racial slurs against African-Americans.

The tape, which features a young Eminem rhyming over a beatbox and primitive drum machine, was recorded around 1993 according to a press release issued by the magazine.

On the tape Eminem says: All the girls I like to bone have big butts/ No they don't, 'cause I don't like that n*gger sh*t/ I'm just here to make a bigger hit/

Later on Eminem raps about a girlfriend he broke up with: I’lll get straight to the point/Black girls are b*tches, that’s why I’ma tell ya you better pull up your britches/Cause all that cash is making your ass drag from the boyfriend ya ganked and that’s pretty bad/I mean that’s pretty sad when ya dating a Black guy/And then you turn around a f*ck another big, Black guy now that’s pretty wrong, but you’re just ganking/But that’s okay because you need a godd*mn spanking/From me, the funky Eminem

"Don't make this right now a double standard," Benzino said. "We gotta treat this the same way you treat Mike Tyson, like you treat Kobe Bryant, like you treat R. Kelly, like you treat O.J. Simpson."

Eminem has accused The Source founder Dave Mays and his partner, Raymond “Benzino” Scott of pursuing a vendetta against him and the artists on his Shady Records, which include 50 Cent and G-Unit.

“Ray Benzino, Dave Mays and The Source have had a vendetta against me, Shady Records and our artists for a long time," Eminem said in a statement. "The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager. I'd just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African-American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was. I hope people will take it for the foolishness that it was, not for what somebody is trying to make it into today."

Mays and Scott promised to continue pursue the issue, saying a CD of the recordings would be contained in their February issue.

Huey P. Freeman

11-20-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Blue:

And, whats your point about that?
Over 400 years of calling us niggers and you have to ask this question? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

'Magic' Juan

11-20-2003, 01:12 PM

FYI ...

In case anyone wants to hear the tape, click on the following link:

Eminem's "Racist" Tape (http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=701493&q=Hi)

Right click and save on your desktop. Listen and make up your own mind ...

magic_juan graemlins/cool_shades.gif

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 01:22 PM

Listened to it. In my opinion, he has to OWN it.

Don't write it off as YOUTHFUL IGNORANCE because the youthful ignorance EXCUSE doesn't keep black and latino males in America out of prisons.

With FAME comes SCRUTINY. I don't care what he does - goes on BET with Farrakhan, cries with Barbara Walters, but he has to own that shit and not have his PR firm spin it.

Dj Pat

11-20-2003, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Blue:

And, whats your point about that?
Over 400 years of calling us niggers and you have to ask this question? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif [/QUOTE]First off, we as Blacks cant get over our own Black on Black Racial tones.
Now everyone wants to jump on EM because he said basicly the same thing as most hip-hop artist out there said?
If we cant be more than "thats my nigga" to one another, how do you expect the world to see us as???
Its gets to the point that even young white kids are calling themselves niggas, or thats my nigga.
400 years, and we've contribute to the continuation of that word.
Peace.

Dj Pat
Physical Heat Music.

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 01:29 PM

Mocambo

11-20-2003, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Don't write it off as YOUTHFUL IGNORANCE because the youthful ignorance EXCUSE doesn't keep black and latino males in America out of prisons.
Mind if I cop(borrow)this statement?

Dj Pat

11-20-2003, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Blue:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Blue:

And, whats your point about that?
Over 400 years of calling us niggers and you have to ask this question? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif [/QUOTE]First off, we as Blacks cant get over our own Black on Black Racial tones.
Now everyone wants to jump on EM because he said basicly the same thing as most hip-hop artist out there said?
If we cant be more than "thats my nigga" to one another, how do you expect the world to see us as???
Its gets to the point that even young white kids are calling themselves niggas, or thats my nigga.
400 years, and we've contribute to the continuation of that word.
Peace.

Dj Pat
Physical Heat Music. [/QUOTE]So it's okay to kick a nigga because niggas already kick themselves? [/QUOTE]No, dont put words in my mouth.
Simply said, we've been our own worse enemys when it came down to this.
Something that should have been shot down years agao, but we continue to use that word in everyday life.
Em was wrong for saying waht he said, thats just a fact. But why stop there, because he's white and most of you out there cant Buckle up to blacks saying it to one another?
I dont say it, i call my freinds, my freinds!
We need to stop what we do to each other. So what your saying is that it's ok for Black on Black Racial tones when were all black?

Huey P. Freeman

11-20-2003, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Blue:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Blue:

And, whats your point about that?
Over 400 years of calling us niggers and you have to ask this question? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif [/QUOTE]First off, we as Blacks cant get over our own Black on Black Racial tones.
Now everyone wants to jump on EM because he said basicly the same thing as most hip-hop artist out there said?
If we cant be more than "thats my nigga" to one another, how do you expect the world to see us as???
Its gets to the point that even young white kids are calling themselves niggas, or thats my nigga.
400 years, and we've contribute to the continuation of that word.
Peace.

Dj Pat
Physical Heat Music. [/QUOTE]A black saying "That's my nigga" is a whole lot different than a white calling blacks nigger. If you don't realize the difference that is pretty sad. There is no excuse for what he said. Stop trying to spin it. I can call my brother a nigga all I want(400 years of mental and physical enslavement has conditioned us to use the word) but If a white calls him that it's on. I was watching an episode of Oprah once and they were talking about racism. A soccer mom in the audience got up and asked the question; "If blacks call each other nigger why is it that whites can not?". Oprahs response was "why would you want to call a black person a nigger?". I can't break it down more simply than that. It's all about the intent behind it's use.

[ November 20, 2003, 01:52 PM: Message edited by: Eargasm ]

BHouse

11-20-2003, 01:56 PM

I agree with that, but I will take it a step further... "Why would we want to call each other nigger...?" I admit I have used the word before, what black person hasn't...? But the difference is, I use it out of anger towards someone. Not in a joking, friendly, pat on the back kinda of way...

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Silhouette:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Don't write it off as YOUTHFUL IGNORANCE because the youthful ignorance EXCUSE doesn't keep black and latino males in America out of prisons.
Mind if I cop(borrow)this statement? [/QUOTE]Please do...and use it liberally.

Huey P. Freeman

11-20-2003, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by BHouse:
I agree with that, but I will take it a step further... "Why would we want to call each other nigger...?" I admit I have used the word before, what black person hasn't...? But the difference is, I use it out of anger towards someone. Not in a joking, friendly, pat on the back kinda of way... 400 years of conditioning is hard to shake.

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 02:02 PM

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[ November 20, 2003, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

Leslie

11-20-2003, 02:02 PM

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 02:04 PM

Pat - Eminem wasn't referring to "niggaz". He was referring to "BLACK GIRLS".

It wasn't some street element shit. It was very articulately worded mysognystic and racist sentiment.

And don't put words in my mouth. A search on my member number will expose how I feel about black on black anything. The association you're making about how blacks regard blacks has no bearing on Eminem's obvious blunder.

[ November 20, 2003, 02:07 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 02:08 PM

Eminem always spoke about how he would never say the word "nigga"...but he allows artists to guest on his albums who say it, produces artists who say it, rhymes alongside rappers who use it...on the same tune.

Many blacks were waiting on the "other shoe" to drop.

What? Eminem didn't remember the tape?

BULLSHIT - he lied awake at night wondering if it would ever get out...and his enemies got ahold of it...that's the way the game goes...

BHouse

11-20-2003, 02:09 PM

I don't agree with that... When I was growing up I never heard that word unless my Grandmother, Grandfather or Mother were mad at someone... We were conditioned to be slaves too. I am sure no one on DHP has ever picked cotton. We were also conditioned to remain ignorant and uneducated... I really don't buy, "400 years of slavery has done this or that..." If that was case we would not a be where we are today or where we could be tomorrow...

Huey P. Freeman

11-20-2003, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Leslie:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Blue:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Blue:

And, whats your point about that?
Over 400 years of calling us niggers and you have to ask this question? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif [/QUOTE]First off, we as Blacks cant get over our own Black on Black Racial tones.
Now everyone wants to jump on EM because he said basicly the same thing as most hip-hop artist out there said?
If we cant be more than "thats my nigga" to one another, how do you expect the world to see us as???
Its gets to the point that even young white kids are calling themselves niggas, or thats my nigga.
400 years, and we've contribute to the continuation of that word.
Peace.

Dj Pat
Physical Heat Music. [/QUOTE]So it's okay to kick a nigga because niggas already kick themselves? [/QUOTE]Ghettopoly. [/QUOTE]Sitting on the couch in my moms livingroom drinking pimp juice, playing ghettopoly, my platinum chain blinging while the alarm on my Cadillac truck is going off. I'm living the dream.

[ November 20, 2003, 02:12 PM: Message edited by: Eargasm ]

BHouse

11-20-2003, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Eminem always spoke about how he would never say the word "nigga"...but he allows artists to guest on his albums who say it, produces artists who say it, rhymes alongside rappers who use it...on the same tune. This doesn't make EMINEM look bad it makes the "black" rappers on his song look ignorant... We may use the N word in private to each other... OK fine...but would you use it in front of the white man while talking to another black...? I hope not...

Huey P. Freeman

11-20-2003, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by BHouse:
I don't agree with that... When I was growing up I never heard that word unless my Grandmother, Grandfather or Mother were mad at someone... We were conditioned to be slaves too. I am sure no one on DHP has ever picked cotton. We were also conditioned to remain ignorant and uneducated... I really don't buy, "400 years of slavery has done this or that..." If that was case we would not a be where we are today or where we could be tomorrow... Go on 61st and King Drive and you will see some of the lingering effects of slavery. Not making an excuse for anyone. We should rise above. But all of us haven't. And some of us can not.

DeesKo

11-20-2003, 02:17 PM

i had surgery to remove the lisp that caused all "gga" sounds to come out like "gger".

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by BHouse:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Eminem always spoke about how he would never say the word "nigga"...but he allows artists to guest on his albums who say it, produces artists who say it, rhymes alongside rappers who use it...on the same tune. This doesn't make EMINEM look bad it makes the "black" rappers on his song look ignorant... We may use the N word in private to each other... OK fine...but would you use it in front of the white man while talking to another black...? I hope not... [/QUOTE]B - the issue is EMINEM. Not the state of black self-image. Keep it in context, man.

The other shoe dropped on the best selling rapper of all time. The artist that the industry system could finally place above all blacks in the game we created is on record as disrespecting blacks.

See this shit for WHAT IT IS, yall. Not for what it SHOULD BE.

[ November 20, 2003, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

BHouse

11-20-2003, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BHouse:
I don't agree with that... When I was growing up I never heard that word unless my Grandmother, Grandfather or Mother were mad at someone... We were conditioned to be slaves too. I am sure no one on DHP has ever picked cotton. We were also conditioned to remain ignorant and uneducated... I really don't buy, "400 years of slavery has done this or that..." If that was case we would not a be where we are today or where we could be tomorrow... Go on 61st and King Drive and you will see some of the lingering effects of slavery. Not making an excuse for anyone. We should rise above. But all of us haven't. And some of us can not. [/QUOTE]I will give you that... I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth... But I also know that 400 years of slavery is no excuse for why we continue to speak and treat each other the way we do...

[ November 20, 2003, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: BHouse ]

BHouse

11-20-2003, 02:28 PM

I may have gotten off the issue a little...

Dj Pat

11-20-2003, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Pat - Eminem wasn't referring to "niggaz". He was referring to "BLACK GIRLS".

It wasn't some street element shit. It was very articulately worded mysognystic and racist sentiment.

And don't put words in my mouth. A search on my member number will expose how I feel about black on black anything. The association you're making about how blacks regard blacks has no bearing on Eminem's obvious blunder. You know what...Tavis said it best today on his talk show..."Who in Hip-Hop has the Righteous Majority to denounce what EM said?"I've heard the song, From Black Bitches to Niggas, he said it all.
But while we playing the "Holly Card" about this, who would step up and Denouce the use of Nigger and Bitches from a black mans own mouth?
So your freind says Nigger, what would you tell him? Your girl call another girl a Black Bitch, what would you tell her?
When too short talks about Bitches, hoes and all black tricks..would you bump that in your car? Or is that a prime example of Black on Black Racism?

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Blue:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Pat - Eminem wasn't referring to "niggaz". He was referring to "BLACK GIRLS".

It wasn't some street element shit. It was very articulately worded mysognystic and racist sentiment.

And don't put words in my mouth. A search on my member number will expose how I feel about black on black anything. The association you're making about how blacks regard blacks has no bearing on Eminem's obvious blunder. You know what...Tavis said it best today on his talk show..."Who in Hip-Hop has the Righteous Majority to denounce what EM said?"I've heard the song, From Black Bitches to Niggas, he said it all.
But while we playing the "Holly Card" about this, who would step up and Denouce the use of Nigger and Bitches from a black mans own mouth?
So your freind says Nigger, what would you tell him? Your girl call another girl a Black Bitch, what would you tell her?
When too short talks about Bitches, hoes and all black tricks..would you bump that in your car? Or is that a prime example of Black on Black Racism? [/QUOTE]That may be noble sentiment, but it's MISPLACED. While You and Tavis Smiley and others are USING THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO POINT THE FINGER AT current BLACK CULTURE and "wake up young minds" or whatever...

...EMINEM and the powers that OWN HIM are GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER...

Carry on.

Huey P. Freeman

11-20-2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Blue:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Pat - Eminem wasn't referring to "niggaz". He was referring to "BLACK GIRLS".

It wasn't some street element shit. It was very articulately worded mysognystic and racist sentiment.

And don't put words in my mouth. A search on my member number will expose how I feel about black on black anything. The association you're making about how blacks regard blacks has no bearing on Eminem's obvious blunder. You know what...Tavis said it best today on his talk show..."Who in Hip-Hop has the Righteous Majority to denounce what EM said?"I've heard the song, From Black Bitches to Niggas, he said it all.
But while we playing the "Holly Card" about this, who would step up and Denouce the use of Nigger and Bitches from a black mans own mouth?
So your freind says Nigger, what would you tell him? Your girl call another girl a Black Bitch, what would you tell her?
When too short talks about Bitches, hoes and all black tricks..would you bump that in your car? Or is that a prime example of Black on Black Racism? [/QUOTE]That may be noble sentiment, but it's MISPLACED. While You and Tavis Smiley and others are USING THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO POINT THE FINGER AT current BLACK CULTURE and "wake up young minds" or whatever...

...EMINEM and the powers that OWN HIM are GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER...

Carry on. [/QUOTE]Agreed.

fred da warrior

11-20-2003, 03:17 PM

Soooooo,

What exactly are we supposed to do with this knowledge that Em said nigger 10 years ago?

Dare I saaaaay, the B word?

Huey P. Freeman

11-20-2003, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by fred:
Soooooo,

What exactly are we supposed to do with this knowledge that Em said nigger 10 years ago?

Dare I saaaaay, the B word? Boyscott? graemlins/rofl.gif

dj c-los

11-20-2003, 03:24 PM

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by fred:
Soooooo,

What exactly are we supposed to do with this knowledge that Em said nigger 10 years ago?

Dare I saaaaay, the B word? Boyscott? graemlins/rofl.gif [/QUOTE]BOYSCOTT! mad1.gif icon_rofl.gif

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 03:28 PM

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 03:32 PM

The problem is NEGROES DON'T WANT TO SMELL BLOOD UNLESS IT'S NEGRO BLOOD!

Yea - I said it. The OPPRESSOR TOTALLY FUCKS UP, IS VULNERABLE and OPEN FOR ATTACK and the TAVIS SMILEYS and those of his ilk CAN ONLY THINK TO JUMP ON OTHER BLACK FOLKS.

Stupid shit. Interscope, Imagine Entertainment, Showtime, so many entities that you niggers cry and complain won't give black folks a break are TOTALLY OPEN TO ATTACK NOW...BUT YOU GO BEAT YOUR BROTHER'S ASS INSTEAD??!!

Fuck-ups! This is why we get Eminem! Because WE'RE DEVOID OF COURAGE!

[ November 20, 2003, 03:34 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

mhd

11-20-2003, 03:32 PM

go head baby

Huey P. Freeman

11-20-2003, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
The problem is NEGROES DON'T WANT TO SMELL BLOOD UNLESS IT'S NEGRO BLOOD!

Yea - I said it. The OPPRESSOR TOTALLY FUCKS UP, IS VULNERABLE and OPEN FOR ATTACK and NIGGERS like TAVIS SMILEY and those of his ilk CAN ONLY THINK TO JUMP ON OTHER BLACK FOLKS.

Stupid shit. Interscope, Imagine Entertainment, Showtime, so many entities that you niggers cry and complain won't give black folks a break are TOTALLY OPEN TO ATTACK NOW...BUT YOU GO BEAT YOUR BROTHER'S ASS INSTEAD??!!

Fuck-ups! This is why we get Eminem! Because WE'RE DEVOID OF COURAGE! hail.gif

Brian

11-20-2003, 03:40 PM

eminem lost me from the start with his antigay crap

DeesKo

11-20-2003, 03:41 PM

you can get with this
or you can get with that

you can get with this
or you can get with that

you can get with this
or you can get with that

I think I'll get with this
cus this is where its at

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 03:46 PM

Really though...I'm sick of everyone saying that Eminem is "what we get because we shouldn't go around calling each other 'nigga' ", and "we shouldn't be demeaning our own people".

THIS SHIT MAKES ZERO SENSE!

What is this? Some "CHICKEN'S COME HOME TO ROOST" bullshit? The "CHICKEN'S" in this case DO NOT BELONG TO BLACK PEOPLE!

Hip Hop was once a positive affair, that was meant to rock the party, make people feel good and, at some level, OPEN YOUNG MINDS of ALL RACES.

Then the INTERSCOPES started financing the shit you point the finger at. GANGSTA/THUG RAP is everywhere because SOMEONE OTHER THAN BLACKS financed and distributed it.

Point the finger in the right direction next time!

Huey P. Freeman

11-20-2003, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Really though...I'm sick of everyone saying that Eminem is "what we get because we shouldn't go around calling each other 'nigga' ", and "we shouldn't be demeaning our own people".

THIS SHIT MAKES ZERO SENSE!

What is this? Some "CHICKEN'S COME HOME TO ROOST" bullshit? The "CHICKEN'S" in this case DO NOT BELONG TO BLACK PEOPLE!

Hip Hop was once a positive affair, that was meant to rock the party, make people feel good and, at some level, OPEN YOUNG MINDS of ALL RACES.

Then the INTERSCOPES started financing the shit you point the finger at. GANGSTA/THUG RAP is everywhere because SOMEONE OTHER THAN BLACKS financed and distributed it.

Point the finger in the right direction next time! hail.gif Part 2

Dj Pat

11-20-2003, 03:52 PM

The Blood of the Negro has been spilled by the Negro for years now.
Tell me, would you Boycott 2-short?
How about Eazy E (rip)?
What about the liquor store on every corner in the black Neighborhood that blacks keep feeding?
It has nothing to do with speaking out when Black on Black blood has been Spilled, "then it's time to speak out"!
I wonder if a Black artist said such statements what would you do? But it isnt, it's Em. Doing the same thing that other So-Called Black artist been doing.."Getting Paid"!
Like I said, seems as if we as Black have a problem with Bitches and Niggers is when someone outside our race says it, thats where the problem is. But if one of our own speak the same tongue as Em said, then its a mute Issue!
Equality for all, is what our Black leaders Faught hard for. As a Black man such as myself, could you have the same Equality of Criticsm for another Black man, Black man song that Degrade woman, or does this only applies for someone out our race?

Huey P. Freeman

11-20-2003, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Blue:
The Blood of the Negro has been spilled by the Negro for years now.
Tell me, would you Boycott 2-short?
How about Eazy E (rip)?
What about the liquor store on every corner in the black Neighborhood that blacks keep feeding?
It has nothing to do with speaking out when Black on Black blood has been Spilled, "then it's time to speak out"!
I wonder if a Black artist said such statements what would you do? But it isnt, it's Em. Doing the same thing that other So-Called Black artist been doing.."Getting Paid"!
Like I said, seems as if we as Black have a problem with Bitches and Niggers is when someone outside our race says it, thats where the problem is. But if one of our own speak the same tongue as Em said, then its a mute Issue!
Equality for all, is what our Black leaders Faught hard for. As a Black man such as myself, could you have the same Equality of Criticsm for another Black man, Black man song that Degrade woman, or does this only applies for someone out our race? I think you might have missed this.

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Really though...I'm sick of everyone saying that Eminem is "what we get because we shouldn't go around calling each other 'nigga' ", and "we shouldn't be demeaning our own people".

THIS SHIT MAKES ZERO SENSE!

What is this? Some "CHICKEN'S COME HOME TO ROOST" bullshit? The "CHICKEN'S" in this case DO NOT BELONG TO BLACK PEOPLE!

Hip Hop was once a positive affair, that was meant to rock the party, make people feel good and, at some level, OPEN YOUNG MINDS of ALL RACES.

Then the INTERSCOPES started financing the shit you point the finger at. GANGSTA/THUG RAP is everywhere because SOMEONE OTHER THAN BLACKS financed and distributed it.

Point the finger in the right direction next time!

mhd

11-20-2003, 03:56 PM

kinda reminds me of that classic commercial for the united negro college fund: a mind is a terrible thing to waste

jimmymack-2000

11-20-2003, 03:59 PM

If someone places a trap in your path, and you see it but fall into it anyway, who trapped you?

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 04:01 PM

Again, as I've already related Blue - these are noble sentiments, but the timing is wrong. Right now, there is a literal opportunity to expose the workings of the system that purveys the very things you're complaining about.

Don't miss that opportunity by blaming the victim.

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
If someone places a trap in your path, and you see it but fall into it anyway, who trapped you? The answer is: YOUR CONDITIONING!

Try again, Jimmymack. Cigarette companies place 20 traps per pack in the path of smokers. It's called HABIT, ADDICTION, CONDITIONING, ENVIRONMENTAL FORCES.

I'm sick of arguing with people today. You half-smart muthafukas are going to be the death of me. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Dj Pat

11-20-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Blue:
The Blood of the Negro has been spilled by the Negro for years now.
Tell me, would you Boycott 2-short?
How about Eazy E (rip)?
What about the liquor store on every corner in the black Neighborhood that blacks keep feeding?
It has nothing to do with speaking out when Black on Black blood has been Spilled, "then it's time to speak out"!
I wonder if a Black artist said such statements what would you do? But it isnt, it's Em. Doing the same thing that other So-Called Black artist been doing.."Getting Paid"!
Like I said, seems as if we as Black have a problem with Bitches and Niggers is when someone outside our race says it, thats where the problem is. But if one of our own speak the same tongue as Em said, then its a mute Issue!
Equality for all, is what our Black leaders Faught hard for. As a Black man such as myself, could you have the same Equality of Criticsm for another Black man, Black man song that Degrade woman, or does this only applies for someone out our race? I think you might have missed this.

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Really though...I'm sick of everyone saying that Eminem is "what we get because we shouldn't go around calling each other 'nigga' ", and "we shouldn't be demeaning our own people".
Then step up Black Man, Point out the Black Artist that Do hurt our own people!

THIS SHIT MAKES ZERO SENSE!

What is this? Some "CHICKEN'S COME HOME TO ROOST" bullshit? The "CHICKEN'S" in this case DO NOT BELONG TO BLACK PEOPLE!

Hip Hop was once a positive affair, that was meant to rock the party, make people feel good and, at some level, OPEN YOUNG MINDS of ALL RACES.

Then the INTERSCOPES started financing the shit you point the finger at. GANGSTA/THUG RAP is everywhere because SOMEONE OTHER THAN BLACKS financed and distributed it.
But yet, it was Created by Blacks (Gangsta Rap)!
Wasnt it??!?!

Point the finger in the right direction next time! I have, at its Creator!
[/QUOTE]

mhd

11-20-2003, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
If someone places a trap in your path, and you see it but fall into it anyway, who trapped you? The answer is: YOUR CONDITIONING!

Try again, Jimmymack. Cigarette companies place 20 traps per pack in the path of smokers. It's called HABIT, ADDICTION, CONDITIONING, ENVIRONMENTAL FORCES.

I'm sick of arguing with people today. You half-smart muthafukas are going to be the death of me. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif [/QUOTE]ignorance will never yield

jimmymack-2000

11-20-2003, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Cigarette companies place 20 traps per pack in the path of smokers. It's called HABIT, ADDICTION, CONDITIONING, ENVIRONMENTAL FORCES.
Smoking is a tough habit to break--just did so myself after 15 years. However, I don't blame anyone but myself for starting in the first place.

Some conservative pundits say the addiction to victimhood is a hard thing to break, too...

mhd

11-20-2003, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Cigarette companies place 20 traps per pack in the path of smokers. It's called HABIT, ADDICTION, CONDITIONING, ENVIRONMENTAL FORCES.
Smoking is a tough habit to break--just did so myself after 15 years. However, I don't blame anyone but myself for starting in the first place.

Some conservative pundits say the addiction to victimhood is a hard thing to break, too... [/QUOTE]well then addiction to victimizing must be a bitch

Dj Pat

11-20-2003, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Again, as I've already related Blue - these are noble sentiments, but the timing is wrong. Right now, there is a literal opportunity to expose the workings of the system that purveys the very things you're complaining about.

Don't miss that opportunity by blaming the victim. The Victim was never Blamed, I just point out the fact that many Blacks want to step up and Preach when someone other than Blacks Say's something Derogative about Blacks. But ive been saying this for years, why must a black man greet another black man with the word nigger?
The two of us made good point's, just deferent veiws.

dj c-los

11-20-2003, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Blue:
The Blood of the Negro has been spilled by the Negro for years now.
Tell me, would you Boycott 2-short?
How about Eazy E (rip)?
What about the liquor store on every corner in the black Neighborhood that blacks keep feeding?
It has nothing to do with speaking out when Black on Black blood has been Spilled, "then it's time to speak out"!
I wonder if a Black artist said such statements what would you do? But it isnt, it's Em. Doing the same thing that other So-Called Black artist been doing.."Getting Paid"!
Like I said, seems as if we as Black have a problem with Bitches and Niggers is when someone outside our race says it, thats where the problem is. But if one of our own speak the same tongue as Em said, then its a mute Issue!
Equality for all, is what our Black leaders Faught hard for. As a Black man such as myself, could you have the same Equality of Criticsm for another Black man, Black man song that Degrade woman, or does this only applies for someone out our race? I think you might have missed this.

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Really though...I'm sick of everyone saying that Eminem is "what we get because we shouldn't go around calling each other 'nigga' ", and "we shouldn't be demeaning our own people".

THIS SHIT MAKES ZERO SENSE!

What is this? Some "CHICKEN'S COME HOME TO ROOST" bullshit? The "CHICKEN'S" in this case DO NOT BELONG TO BLACK PEOPLE!

Hip Hop was once a positive affair, that was meant to rock the party, make people feel good and, at some level, OPEN YOUNG MINDS of ALL RACES.

Then the INTERSCOPES started financing the shit you point the finger at. GANGSTA/THUG RAP is everywhere because SOMEONE OTHER THAN BLACKS financed and distributed it.

Point the finger in the right direction next time! [/QUOTE]TO add to Blue...it's all about supply and demand.
If nobody wanted to hear the "n" shit then they wouldn't press it but people like Eargasm that believe it's "a black thing" assists for the "n" word to be socially accepted by some. The problem is that 70% off the people in the U.S. are white and if a gang of artists are coming out saying "n" this and that..eventually whites are going to say..."well if they can say it, so can I."

There are new generations being born that don't care about the Martin Luthers, slavery, Malcolms, Garveys, etc. but if we have this attitude concerning "n" being socially accepted, it's doing more damage than good because they'll take that word and run with it.

my two cents.

I hear where you're coming from Blue and Danny you are the Chuck D. of DHP.

graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 04:10 PM

Okay fools...here we go...

INTERSCOPE is EMINEM'S RECORD LABEL...

INTERSCOPE has been responsible for almost the lion's share of the MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT that INFLUENCES urban youth to the GANGSTA/THUG lifestyle and behaviors...

INTERSCOPE is now VULNERABLE because their FLAGSHIP STAR...

...EMINEM...

...has been EXPOSED...

INTERSCOPE distributes 50 CENT, G-UNIT, EMINEM, 2-PAC, DEATH ROW SHIT...anonanonanonanonanon...

Must I continue...?!

Now if you're black, and you care about black youth, and you have determined that the music black youth listens to is DESTRUCTIVE to the black community...

NOW'S YOUR FUCKING CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!

If you don't give a fuck, feel free to come up with statements like Jimmymack-2000, Tavis Smiley and others.

Done.

[ November 20, 2003, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

jimmymack-2000

11-20-2003, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Cigarette companies place 20 traps per pack in the path of smokers. It's called HABIT, ADDICTION, CONDITIONING, ENVIRONMENTAL FORCES.
Smoking is a tough habit to break--just did so myself after 15 years. However, I don't blame anyone but myself for starting in the first place.

Some conservative pundits say the addiction to victimhood is a hard thing to break, too... [/QUOTE]well then addiction to victimizing must be a bitch [/QUOTE]I am addicted to balanced discourse. How's your addiction to meaningless one-liners coming?

DeesKo

11-20-2003, 04:11 PM

one COULD argue that eminem said those words not because he's a card carrying member of the klan who's spitting in the face of black america on purpose, but because his social circles during his upbringing brainwashed him into thinking the terms were sufficient adjectives to be used when describing people.

I don't know the man, don't know shit about him or where he grew up and don't care. I'm not trying to defend his wack shit and agree that in the end, he just needs to man up and bear the brunt of his shallow ass words.

peace

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by DeesKo:
one COULD argue that eminem said those words not because he's a card carrying member of the klan who's spitting in the face of black america on purpose, but because his social circles during his upbringing brainwashed him into thinking the terms were sufficient adjectives to be used when describing people.

I don't know the man, don't know shit about him or where he grew up and don't care. I'm not trying to defend his wack shit and agree that in the end, he just needs to man up and bear the brunt of his shallow ass words.

peace EXACTLY! Here is a wonderful opportunity for an ARTIST to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for his INFLUENCE IN THE COMMUNITY. This could change shit...if someone had the FUCKIN' COURAGE!

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by clos7:
//--I hear where you're coming from Blue and Danny you are the Chuck D. of DHP.--//Actually, clos7, I resent this.

jimmymack-2000

11-20-2003, 04:15 PM

"The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager. I'd just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African-American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was. I hope people will take it for the foolishness that it was, not for what somebody is trying to make it into today."

I count three references by Eminem to his own "stupidity" and "foolishness"--an explicit admission of wrongdoing if ever I've seen one.

As an earlier poster asked, how shall he atone for his sins? Leave the game altogether?

dj c-los

11-20-2003, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Okay fools...here we go...

INTERSCOPE is EMINEM'S RECORD LABEL...

INTERSCOPE has been responsible for almost the lion's share of the MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT that INFLUENCES urban youth to the GANGSTA/THUG lifestyle and behaviors...

INTERSCOPE is now VULNERABLE because their FLAGSHIP STAR...

...EMINEM...

...has been EXPOSED...

INTERSCOPE distributes 50 CENT, G-UNIT, EMINEM, 2-PAC, DEATH ROW SHIT

Must I continue...?!

Now if you're black, and you care about black youth, and you have determined that the music black youth listens to is DESTRUCTIVE to the black community...

NOW'S YOUR FUCKING CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!

If you don't give a fuck, feel free to come up with statements like Jimmymack-2000, Tavis Smiley and others.

Done. Sorry but Eminem is signed to Aftermath.
Dre owns Aftermath.
Dre owns Eminem.

Aftermath has distribution deal with Interscope.
Interscope does not own any music rights from Aftermath because Dre records his music at his home.
Interscope just takes a percentage from CD sales and other ways.
Dre has the upper hand because he owns it all.
Dre is a business man, he's on top of his game.

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by clos7:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Okay fools...here we go...

INTERSCOPE is EMINEM'S RECORD LABEL...

INTERSCOPE has been responsible for almost the lion's share of the MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT that INFLUENCES urban youth to the GANGSTA/THUG lifestyle and behaviors...

INTERSCOPE is now VULNERABLE because their FLAGSHIP STAR...

...EMINEM...

...has been EXPOSED...

INTERSCOPE distributes 50 CENT, G-UNIT, EMINEM, 2-PAC, DEATH ROW SHIT

Must I continue...?!

Now if you're black, and you care about black youth, and you have determined that the music black youth listens to is DESTRUCTIVE to the black community...

NOW'S YOUR FUCKING CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!

If you don't give a fuck, feel free to come up with statements like Jimmymack-2000, Tavis Smiley and others.

Done. Sorry but Eminem is signed to Aftermath.
Dre owns Aftermath.
Dre owns Eminem.

Aftermath has distribution deal with Interscope.
Interscope does not own any music rights from Aftermath because Dre records his music at his home.
Interscope just takes a percentage from CD sales and other ways.
Dre has the upper hand because he owns it all.
Dre is a business man, he's on top of his game. [/QUOTE]Who is at the TOP OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN????

INTERSCOPE!!!

http://www.interscope.com/artists/

Do some homework, clos7!

[ November 20, 2003, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

imported_Gman

11-20-2003, 04:16 PM

Gentlemen, please don't let this excellent thread slide into name calling.

-G

Huey P. Freeman

11-20-2003, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by clos7:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Blue:
The Blood of the Negro has been spilled by the Negro for years now.
Tell me, would you Boycott 2-short?
How about Eazy E (rip)?
What about the liquor store on every corner in the black Neighborhood that blacks keep feeding?
It has nothing to do with speaking out when Black on Black blood has been Spilled, "then it's time to speak out"!
I wonder if a Black artist said such statements what would you do? But it isnt, it's Em. Doing the same thing that other So-Called Black artist been doing.."Getting Paid"!
Like I said, seems as if we as Black have a problem with Bitches and Niggers is when someone outside our race says it, thats where the problem is. But if one of our own speak the same tongue as Em said, then its a mute Issue!
Equality for all, is what our Black leaders Faught hard for. As a Black man such as myself, could you have the same Equality of Criticsm for another Black man, Black man song that Degrade woman, or does this only applies for someone out our race? I think you might have missed this.

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Really though...I'm sick of everyone saying that Eminem is "what we get because we shouldn't go around calling each other 'nigga' ", and "we shouldn't be demeaning our own people".

THIS SHIT MAKES ZERO SENSE!

What is this? Some "CHICKEN'S COME HOME TO ROOST" bullshit? The "CHICKEN'S" in this case DO NOT BELONG TO BLACK PEOPLE!

Hip Hop was once a positive affair, that was meant to rock the party, make people feel good and, at some level, OPEN YOUNG MINDS of ALL RACES.

Then the INTERSCOPES started financing the shit you point the finger at. GANGSTA/THUG RAP is everywhere because SOMEONE OTHER THAN BLACKS financed and distributed it.

Point the finger in the right direction next time! [/QUOTE]TO add to Blue...it's all about supply and demand.
If nobody wanted to hear the "n" shit then they wouldn't press it but people like Eargasm that believe it's "a black thing" assists for the "n" word to be socially accepted by some. The problem is that 70% off the people in the U.S. are white and if a gang of artists are coming out saying "n" this and that..eventually whites are going to say..."well if they can say it, so can I."

There are new generations being born that don't care about the Martin Luthers, slavery, Malcolms, Garveys, etc. but if we have this attitude concerning "n" being socially accepted, it's doing more damage than good because they'll take that word and run with it.

my two cents.

I hear where you're coming from Blue and Danny you are the Chuck D. of DHP.

graemlins/thumbsup.gif [/QUOTE]I said I understood the use of the word nigger by other blacks. I never said it was acceptable. The only person I call nigger is my brother and it's done as a joke. Your assertion that white people use the word nigger cause they hear it in rap music is absurd. They used it during slavery. They used it during Jim Crow. And they use it today rap music or no. Very stupid response bro.

dj c-los

11-20-2003, 04:17 PM

50 cent is signed to Shady Aftermath (Eminem and Dre's label) with a distribution through Interscope.
Shady-Aftermath owns 50 cent.

Don't know about the others.

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 04:20 PM

...

[ November 20, 2003, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

Dj Pat

11-20-2003, 04:20 PM

Lets meet up for sea food and beer, hell with this shit..it's getting old and stale! graemlins/alc.gif
Everyone just go and play a Record, be happy, have sex, graemlins/thumbsup.gif !

Peace to all the people on gods earth.

Dj Pat
Physical Heat Music.

Huey P. Freeman

11-20-2003, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Blue:
Lets meet up for sea food and beer, hell with this shit..it's getting old and stale! graemlins/alc.gif
Everyone just go and play a Record, be happy, have sex, graemlins/thumbsup.gif !

Peace to all the people on gods earth.

Dj Pat
Physical Heat Music. If we ignore the problem surely it will go away.

MYOR

11-20-2003, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Gman:
Gentlemen, please don't let this excellent thread slide into name calling.

-G You're the best... graemlins/bighug.gif

[ November 20, 2003, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: MYOR ]

DeesKo

11-20-2003, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
In one very well placed action, Eminem could SPARK SOME SERIOUS HEALING AND CHANGE in the industry and among urban youth of all races.

Who does not see this? definitely.

but the Source would make sure that wouldn't happen.

dj c-los

11-20-2003, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by clos7:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Okay fools...here we go...

INTERSCOPE is EMINEM'S RECORD LABEL...

INTERSCOPE has been responsible for almost the lion's share of the MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT that INFLUENCES urban youth to the GANGSTA/THUG lifestyle and behaviors...

INTERSCOPE is now VULNERABLE because their FLAGSHIP STAR...

...EMINEM...

...has been EXPOSED...

INTERSCOPE distributes 50 CENT, G-UNIT, EMINEM, 2-PAC, DEATH ROW SHIT

Must I continue...?!

Now if you're black, and you care about black youth, and you have determined that the music black youth listens to is DESTRUCTIVE to the black community...

NOW'S YOUR FUCKING CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!

If you don't give a fuck, feel free to come up with statements like Jimmymack-2000, Tavis Smiley and others.

Done. Sorry but Eminem is signed to Aftermath.
Dre owns Aftermath.
Dre owns Eminem.

Aftermath has distribution deal with Interscope.
Interscope does not own any music rights from Aftermath because Dre records his music at his home.
Interscope just takes a percentage from CD sales and other ways.
Dre has the upper hand because he owns it all.
Dre is a business man, he's on top of his game. [/QUOTE]Who is at the TOP OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN????

INTERSCOPE!!!

http://www.interscope.com/artists/

Do some homework, clos7! [/QUOTE]Danny maybe you need to reread...

Dre- Aftermath Records
Eminem- Shady/Aftermath Records

Interscope is their distributor.

That's cool do NOT reply because we'll get into the "distribution" role of a record label vs full ownership.
It's a long discussion and you love to debate and I don't have time.

I did my homework...glance at yours.

peace

[ November 20, 2003, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: clos7 ]

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by clos7:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by clos7:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Okay fools...here we go...

INTERSCOPE is EMINEM'S RECORD LABEL...

INTERSCOPE has been responsible for almost the lion's share of the MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT that INFLUENCES urban youth to the GANGSTA/THUG lifestyle and behaviors...

INTERSCOPE is now VULNERABLE because their FLAGSHIP STAR...

...EMINEM...

...has been EXPOSED...

INTERSCOPE distributes 50 CENT, G-UNIT, EMINEM, 2-PAC, DEATH ROW SHIT

Must I continue...?!

Now if you're black, and you care about black youth, and you have determined that the music black youth listens to is DESTRUCTIVE to the black community...

NOW'S YOUR FUCKING CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!

If you don't give a fuck, feel free to come up with statements like Jimmymack-2000, Tavis Smiley and others.

Done. Sorry but Eminem is signed to Aftermath.
Dre owns Aftermath.
Dre owns Eminem.

Aftermath has distribution deal with Interscope.
Interscope does not own any music rights from Aftermath because Dre records his music at his home.
Interscope just takes a percentage from CD sales and other ways.
Dre has the upper hand because he owns it all.
Dre is a business man, he's on top of his game. [/QUOTE]Who is at the TOP OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN????

INTERSCOPE!!!

http://www.interscope.com/artists/

Do some homework, clos7! [/QUOTE]Danny maybe you need to reread...

Dre- Aftermath Records
Eminem- Shady/Aftermath Records

Interscope is their distributor.

That's cool do reply because we'll get into the "distribution" role of a record label vs full ownership.
It's a long discussion and you love to debate and I don't have time.

I did my homework...glance at yours.

peace [/QUOTE]Dude, do you know what SUPPLY CHAIN means?

That means that INTERSCOPE is the MOUTH OF THE PIPELINE of the PRODUCT!

DISTRIBUTION is the TOP OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN. The final link between PRODUCER and CONSUMER. That would be, in this case...INTERSCOPE.

Aren't you off your lunch break yet?

[ November 20, 2003, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 04:26 PM

In one very well placed action, Eminem could SPARK SOME SERIOUS HEALING AND CHANGE in the industry and among urban youth of all races.

Who does not see this?

If change is going to happen, it must occur from the top down.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005NBA5/104-2871486-8961560?v=glance

This is one of the best documentaries about the West Coast rap game ever. Everyone who wants to talk shit in this thread should watch it. Shit - I might send it to Gman to have him put it on the page.

Y'all know trivia. Some of us know the industry. This could really be a spark for shit to get better. Problem is, someone VISIBLE has to make it happen. Dre, Em, 50 - one of them has to do it.

saadir7

11-20-2003, 04:29 PM

In the late 80's I started gaining knowledge
of self. The Malcolm X version of things appealed
more to me than the MLK version. From there,
I learn about The Black Panthers, The 5 Percent
Nation, etc.
In 1989, 1990, 1991 I'm calling the white man
the devil; I'm holding "militant" thoughts; I'm
reading "militant" poetry.
14 years later, do I still think the "White man
is the devil"? No. I have learned, moved on, added
and subtracted.
If someone dug up old footage of me, or published my journal writings during this time,
you would find a difference between the Saadir
of then and the Saadir of now.
All bullshit aside, if Em said this 10 YEARS AGO,
then he said it 10 YEARS AGO!
What matters is: Does he still feel this way NOW.
TODAY.

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by saadir7:
In the late 80's I started gaining knowledge
of self. The Malcolm X version of things appealed
more to me than the MLK version. From there,
I learn about The Black Panthers, The 5 Percent
Nation, etc.
In 1989, 1990, 1991 I'm calling the white man
the devil; I'm holding "militant" thoughts; I'm
reading "militant" poetry.
14 years later, do I still think the "White man
is the devil"? No. I have learned, moved on, added
and subtracted.
If someone dug up old footage of me, or published my journal writings during this time,
you would find a difference between the Saadir
of then and the Saadir of now.
All bullshit aside, if Em said this 10 YEARS AGO,
then he said it 10 YEARS AGO!
What matters is: Does he still feel this way NOW.
TODAY. Thanks for sharing Saadir. I dropped a similar story in this thread a few pages back.

I think if Em really came out to discuss this, and not allow his PR firm to handle it, it could spark discussion, dialog, changing of minds...maybe it's just me...

fred da warrior

11-20-2003, 04:33 PM

Mocambo

11-20-2003, 05:09 PM

HHSAN Supports Eminem
By Nolan Strong
Date: 11/20/2003 1:49 pm

Russell Simmons' Hip-Hop Summit Action Network (HHSAN) has released a statement revealing its position on controversial lyrics Eminem wrote about African-Americans in a rap recited in 1993.

The tape was released to the media at a press conference in New York City on Wednesday, by Source founder Dave Mays and his partner, Raymond "Benzino" Scott.

On the 10-year-old tape, Eminem raps about an ex-girlfriend, who happened to be African-American and also makes disparaging comments about African-American women in general. In addition, the rapper used the “N-word” as well in a lyric referring to Sir Mix-A-Lot’s “Baby Got Back.”

"These lyrics are disgusting, but the oneness of hip-hop culture has transformed many young people in trailer parks around the country away from their parents¹ old mindset of white supremacy," Russell Simmons said. "We believe Eminem's apology is sincere and forthright. He continues not only to be an icon of hip-hop, but also has evolved into a good soldier who gives back money, time and energy to the community, encouraging this generation of youth to reach their highest aspirations."

This past April, the HHSAN honored Eminem at their Detroit Summit. The Detroit native was granted the National Outstanding Achievement Award for his charity work and hands-on support of youth nationwide.

Dr. Benjamin Chavis, President of HHSAN, said that the race card is often used to divide the hip-hop culture.

"Hip-hop culture transcends race," Chavis noted. "We, therefore, must be careful as to how the race card is played to divide people rather than to encourage unity in the struggle for freedom, justice and equality for all."

The support of Simmons' non-profit organization comes on the heels of Eminem apologizing for the remarks, saying they were made out of anger and frustration.

Mays and Scott said they plan to issue a recording of the CD in each copy of the February issue of The Source.

Eminem has accused the magazine of having a "personal vendetta" against him and the artists associated with him.

The Source has refused to take the raps as “foolishness,” as Eminem put it in a retort. "These are racist remarks by someone who has the ability to influence millions of minds," said editor-in-chief Kim Osorio to New York Newsday.

The tape is the latest in a series of insults hurled at each other, which includes diss records from both sides, The Source printing articles and posters aimed at discrediting Eminem and Eminem smashing his Source Award to pieces this year at Hot 97's Summer Jam concert.

Huey P. Freeman

11-20-2003, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Silhouette:
HHSAN Supports Eminem
By Nolan Strong
Date: 11/20/2003 1:49 pm

Russell Simmons' Hip-Hop Summit Action Network (HHSAN) has released a statement revealing its position on controversial lyrics Eminem wrote about African-Americans in a rap recited in 1993.

The tape was released to the media at a press conference in New York City on Wednesday, by Source founder Dave Mays and his partner, Raymond "Benzino" Scott.

On the 10-year-old tape, Eminem raps about an ex-girlfriend, who happened to be African-American and also makes disparaging comments about African-American women in general. In addition, the rapper used the “N-word” as well in a lyric referring to Sir Mix-A-Lot’s “Baby Got Back.”

"These lyrics are disgusting, but the oneness of hip-hop culture has transformed many young people in trailer parks around the country away from their parents¹ old mindset of white supremacy," Russell Simmons said. "We believe Eminem's apology is sincere and forthright. He continues not only to be an icon of hip-hop, but also has evolved into a good soldier who gives back money, time and energy to the community, encouraging this generation of youth to reach their highest aspirations."

This past April, the HHSAN honored Eminem at their Detroit Summit. The Detroit native was granted the National Outstanding Achievement Award for his charity work and hands-on support of youth nationwide.

Dr. Benjamin Chavis, President of HHSAN, said that the race card is often used to divide the hip-hop culture.

"Hip-hop culture transcends race," Chavis noted. "We, therefore, must be careful as to how the race card is played to divide people rather than to encourage unity in the struggle for freedom, justice and equality for all."

The support of Simmons' non-profit organization comes on the heels of Eminem apologizing for the remarks, saying they were made out of anger and frustration.

Mays and Scott said they plan to issue a recording of the CD in each copy of the February issue of The Source.

Eminem has accused the magazine of having a "personal vendetta" against him and the artists associated with him.

The Source has refused to take the raps as “foolishness,” as Eminem put it in a retort. "These are racist remarks by someone who has the ability to influence millions of minds," said editor-in-chief Kim Osorio to New York Newsday.

The tape is the latest in a series of insults hurled at each other, which includes diss records from both sides, The Source printing articles and posters aimed at discrediting Eminem and Eminem smashing his Source Award to pieces this year at Hot 97's Summer Jam concert. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

D J 1 3 8

11-20-2003, 05:21 PM

Just trying to catch up on this thread.
Clearly my theory was wrong. Oh well...

I'm not sure in what capacity Eminem could open up some new dialgue about race other than make a track about it. Maybe he will.

Funny reading about people's state of mind back in the late 80s. I've been packing up my apartment this week cuz I'm moving on Sunday. Been going through boxes and crates of old shit - found my "Malcom X - No Sell Out" t-shirt, my 40Acres & A Mule shirt with the big American Flag X. My "Bed-Stuy Do Or Die" baseball cap. A whole crate of African beads / medallions / kente wraps / rasta hats. I was like the Mr. T of African beads back in the day. Y'all don't even know...

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Silhouette:
HHSAN Supports Eminem
By Nolan Strong
Date: 11/20/2003 1:49 pm

Russell Simmons' Hip-Hop Summit Action Network (HHSAN) has released a statement revealing its position on controversial lyrics Eminem wrote about African-Americans in a rap recited in 1993.

The tape was released to the media at a press conference in New York City on Wednesday, by Source founder Dave Mays and his partner, Raymond "Benzino" Scott.

On the 10-year-old tape, Eminem raps about an ex-girlfriend, who happened to be African-American and also makes disparaging comments about African-American women in general. In addition, the rapper used the “N-word” as well in a lyric referring to Sir Mix-A-Lot’s “Baby Got Back.”

"These lyrics are disgusting, but the oneness of hip-hop culture has transformed many young people in trailer parks around the country away from their parents¹ old mindset of white supremacy," Russell Simmons said. "We believe Eminem's apology is sincere and forthright. He continues not only to be an icon of hip-hop, but also has evolved into a good soldier who gives back money, time and energy to the community, encouraging this generation of youth to reach their highest aspirations."

This past April, the HHSAN honored Eminem at their Detroit Summit. The Detroit native was granted the National Outstanding Achievement Award for his charity work and hands-on support of youth nationwide.

Dr. Benjamin Chavis, President of HHSAN, said that the race card is often used to divide the hip-hop culture.

"Hip-hop culture transcends race," Chavis noted. "We, therefore, must be careful as to how the race card is played to divide people rather than to encourage unity in the struggle for freedom, justice and equality for all."

The support of Simmons' non-profit organization comes on the heels of Eminem apologizing for the remarks, saying they were made out of anger and frustration.

Mays and Scott said they plan to issue a recording of the CD in each copy of the February issue of The Source.

Eminem has accused the magazine of having a "personal vendetta" against him and the artists associated with him.

The Source has refused to take the raps as “foolishness,” as Eminem put it in a retort. "These are racist remarks by someone who has the ability to influence millions of minds," said editor-in-chief Kim Osorio to New York Newsday.

The tape is the latest in a series of insults hurled at each other, which includes diss records from both sides, The Source printing articles and posters aimed at discrediting Eminem and Eminem smashing his Source Award to pieces this year at Hot 97's Summer Jam concert. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif [/QUOTE]Don't shake your head yet, Eargasm.

Consider now how Russell Simmons has offered support...BUT AT WHAT PRICE? Could it be that Russell Simmons may have tossed Em an OPPORTUNITY, hm?

Brut by Faberge

11-20-2003, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
Funny reading about people's state of mind back in the late 80s. I've been packing up my apartment this week cuz I'm moving on Sunday. Been going through boxes and crates of old shit - found my "Malcom X - No Sell Out" t-shirt, my 40Acres & A Mule shirt with the big American Flag X. My "Bed-Stuy Do Or Die" baseball cap. A whole crate of African beads / medallions / kente wraps / rasta hats. I was like the Mr. T of African beads back in the day. Y'all don't even know... um...you're white right? icon_rofl.gif i'm not trying to be funny i just...um...it struck me as...nevermind. fight the power!

D J 1 3 8

11-20-2003, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
Funny reading about people's state of mind back in the late 80s. I've been packing up my apartment this week cuz I'm moving on Sunday. Been going through boxes and crates of old shit - found my "Malcom X - No Sell Out" t-shirt, my 40Acres & A Mule shirt with the big American Flag X. My "Bed-Stuy Do Or Die" baseball cap. A whole crate of African beads / medallions / kente wraps / rasta hats. I was like the Mr. T of African beads back in the day. Y'all don't even know... um...you're white right? icon_rofl.gif i'm not trying to be funny i just...um...it struck me as...nevermind. fight the power! [/QUOTE]:D You had to be there. I was the baddest white hip hop DJ in Brooklyn.

And

11-20-2003, 05:39 PM

D J 1 3 8

11-20-2003, 05:46 PM

Just as some folks got over their "white devil" phase, I got over my "see, I really am down!" phase. I was on some "too black too strong" type shit. I see pictures of myself back then and I'm just like "whoa."

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
Just as some folks got over their "white devil" phase, I got over my "see, I really am down!" phase. I was on some "too black too strong" type shit. I see pictures of myself back then and I'm just like "whoa." Em should drop his tale like we've dropped ours.

For the record, he's a mysognyst. He isn't a racist. He wanted to hurt the girl who broke his heart and the best weapon he could find was RACE. He always uses his music to rip into the women who he feels have "failed" him.

I guarantee you that since he blew up, he's been waking up in the middle of the night wondering if that tape would resurface.

[ November 20, 2003, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

gabriel

11-20-2003, 05:50 PM

does eminem have the profile/stoop high enough to say "change"? - of course

to a certain extent for him to do so, and say "i'm atoning for my sins about racism" really hurts his credibility, considering the artists he's signed, etc. etc. am i saying he is racist, or promoting racism? no more than any other rapper signed on his or other labels.

but for eminem to say something, it's like you're calling for a white guy to be the savior of this issue, which is bunk. it comes from all four corners working toward it.

but on a certain level it takes personal ownership. white suburban kids are not the only people that buy cd's.

and people buy what they want to hear. which i guess means everyone wants to hear about bitches and ho's and live the dream, seperate but equal everywhere but in our consumerism and the letter of the law.

for a white kid, knowing that a black kid is down with any of "those" lyrics says passively that black people are down with those lyrics because they do not complain en mass. so if black people see themselves this way, this must be how they want to be seen, which makes it ok for me to see them this way...etc...etc...etc. personal grassroots ownership of ones community says alot, and without it those that complain end up looking like annoying whiners. not everything is top down, and the stronger buildings i've seen have been built from the ground up.

just looking at another side.
this discussion is interesting.

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
//--but for eminem to say something, it's like you're calling for a white guy to be the savior of this issue, which is bunk. it comes from all four corners working toward it.--//...Interscope could say something...Dr. Dre could say something...take your pick...

There's a legitimate opportunity here. We'll see who picks up the ball...if anyone...

[ November 20, 2003, 05:55 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

gabriel

11-20-2003, 06:01 PM

but why top down? why do "they" need to be the ones to "pick up the ball"?
are we really such sheep?

why not something more effective than a "just sell me a different myth, one i want to believe" boycott?

why not education, discussion, etc. etc. everything that comes from the top must be said in 15-30 seconds as a news clip. that's not discussion, education, learning, evolution... that's marketing...and it always will be.

[ November 20, 2003, 06:03 PM: Message edited by: gabrielloveshouse ]

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
but why top down? why do "they" need to be the ones to "pick up the ball"?
are we really such sheep?

why not something more effective than a "just sell me a different myth, one i want to believe" boycott?

why not education, discussion, etc. etc. everything that comes from the top must be said in 15-30 seconds as a news clip. that's not discussion, that's marketing...and it always will be. Who is to say it can't take the forms you described?

Everything requires a BEGINNING, gabriel.

Ish

11-20-2003, 06:04 PM

*off topic*

When I was eleven I used to dance with this one kid Adis (one of only three black kids in my 6th grade) and we would practice moves from rap videos. We wore matching polka dot shirts and cross colors and shopped at merry go round. We had routines we would do at the school dances.

One day I turned to my dad and said "Dad, I wish I was black".

I guess I was really drawn to something so different than me, both in music and in the friend I had at school. I wore this shirt that said "racism hurts everybody" religiously.

138's post made me think of this. heh.

gabriel

11-20-2003, 06:05 PM

i understand that, but the very nature of your argument wants to push off the responsability of picking up the start gun on someone else.

And

11-20-2003, 06:06 PM

Interesting reading ... Came upon this article. I hope I'm not reposting it in the thread. I know it doesn't touch directly on the Eminem issue but I find Talib's responses interesting 'cause they parallel many sentiments expressed in the House is dead threads.

http://www.daveyd.com/interviewtalibkweliaol.html

Davey D Okay. This is from, uh, Cupid, uh, 1279 and EbonyPrincess04, uh, “I feel there has been an emergence of hip hop which is predominantly R&B-based. While I believe most of this is a marketing tool by record companies to tone down hip hop and deliver it to a wider range of audience, i.e., white people, I feel that it’s taking hip hop away from the original raw form that it was originally based on. Do you believe that this will be the demise of hip hop, as a whole, and what do you feel is the future of hip hop?”

Talib: The corporations don’t have the power to kill the hip hop. The people are the power to kill hip hop. What I’m noticing as I go from city to city, people at, when on tour with Common and Gang Star, audiences are frustrated. They’re very frustrated with the hip hop music they’re hearing. They come to the shows. They got T-shirts that say, “Hip Hop Is Dead,” and, you know, they really just, they, they talk to me and they ask me questions like, “What do you think about how stagnant the state of hip hop is?” I don’t feel like that. I don’t feel like it is stagnant at all. Now, the problem is, is people are allowing the corporations to decide what hip hop is and not taking it control.

Since when has any record company or any media outlet decided what’s real hip hop and what’s not? If you were judging it, based on what you hear on the radio, you already lost and that’s what it is. Since when has the radio been the vanguard or the standard for what hip hop is? It never was. So why are you givin’ ‘em so much props? That question, with respect to the sister, is giving the radio and the corporations, and the media way too much props. You’re allowing - you’re taking the control - you have the control. Go buy, you go buy a Dead Prez, turn-off- the radio CD everytime you see it, if you can afford it. You know what I’m saying? Make sure you buy the tickets for this show.

Make sure you give it out to your friends as Christmas presents, you know what I’m saying? Make sure that you talk about that in your school. If everybody do that, you take the control for the music back. Do not allow the radio to say this is your station for hip hop and R&B and they’re not playing nothing you can relate to, you know? The control is with the people, I’m not like, I’m not a fan of boycotting the radio stations either. I think, I don’t know if that’s the right thing to do. Someone wants me to do that, I’ll sign a paper. I’m down with it, whatever, but I think, we should start our own radio stations, or make our own albums or, or, or make our own concerts or create a culture the same way you started, you know?
-----

Hip Hop Is Dead!

.. Perhaps we will see:

http://www.galaris.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Thedeadlovers44.jpg

"Be good to your music." - KC

Moksha

11-20-2003, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
"The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager. I'd just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African-American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was. I hope people will take it for the foolishness that it was, not for what somebody is trying to make it into today."

I count three references by Eminem to his own "stupidity" and "foolishness"--an explicit admission of wrongdoing if ever I've seen one.

As an earlier poster asked, how shall he atone for his sins? Leave the game altogether? Don't interupt a mob with the obvious, it ruins all the fun.

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
i understand that, but the very nature of your argument wants to push off the responsability of picking up the start gun on someone else. More like the very nature of my arguement wants those with the ABILITY and ACCESS to find the WILLINGNESS.

Don't get it twisted. Were I able to do it, it woulda been done already.

gabriel

11-20-2003, 06:14 PM

i just think that the ability and access belongs to the people, not with the corporation.

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
i just think that the ability and access belongs to the people, not with the corporation. From where does the information flow?

gabriel

11-20-2003, 06:23 PM

from the brain.

i didn't come to the conclusion that racism was stupid listening to the news, or pop music. i came to it on my own, talking, learning, investigating, with my peers. my dicussion never involved the big guy, b/c he doesn't want to talk; only to tell you how to be. it takes you to decide not to follow every step of the way, he's not going to tell you to look behind the curtain...

[ November 20, 2003, 06:24 PM: Message edited by: gabrielloveshouse ]

mhd

11-20-2003, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
"The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager. I'd just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African-American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was. I hope people will take it for the foolishness that it was, not for what somebody is trying to make it into today."

I count three references by Eminem to his own "stupidity" and "foolishness"--an explicit admission of wrongdoing if ever I've seen one.

As an earlier poster asked, how shall he atone for his sins? Leave the game altogether? Don't interupt a mob with the obvious, it ruins all the fun. [/QUOTE]man, you missing a great convo

imported_Gman

11-20-2003, 06:42 PM

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
from the brain.

i didn't come to the conclusion that racism was stupid listening to the news, or pop music. i came to it on my own, talking, learning, investigating, with my peers. my dicussion never involved the big guy, b/c he doesn't want to talk; only to tell you how to be. it takes you to decide not to follow every step of the way, he's not going to tell you to look behind the curtain... You believe everyone is as aware as you?

Moksha

11-20-2003, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
"The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager. I'd just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African-American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was. I hope people will take it for the foolishness that it was, not for what somebody is trying to make it into today."

I count three references by Eminem to his own "stupidity" and "foolishness"--an explicit admission of wrongdoing if ever I've seen one.

As an earlier poster asked, how shall he atone for his sins? Leave the game altogether? Don't interupt a mob with the obvious, it ruins all the fun. [/QUOTE]man, you missing a great convo [/QUOTE]Naw. . .I'm keepin' up. Unfortunately, I just don't care enough to defend or prosecute Em. Whether he gets forgiven or if he gets blacklisted (excuse the pun), it really won't make a difference for anyone.

Yeah, he fucked up. But, he apologized. . .what more can we ask for? A time machine trip to the moment he fucked up so that he can change it?

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 06:51 PM

For the record, he's a mysognyst. He isn't a racist. He wanted to hurt the girl who broke his heart and the best weapon he could find was RACE. He always uses his music to rip into the women who he feels have "failed" him.

yep...
how are you gonna symbolically bury your ma in a video... write a song about killing your baby's ma then talk about how much you love your daughter?!!

why hasn't he tore into his pops that strong? altleast that lady was there...

somebody posted a while ago... on another thread that what shames the mother, shames the child... that stuck with me...

he's a lil boy... cryin, whinnin, moanin... and America eats that crazy mess up...

Em a racist? no... an $sshole? yep...

you know black folks don't like nobody talking about their mama... he irks me with that stuff, man...

BHouse

11-20-2003, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
For the record, he's a mysognyst. He isn't a racist. He wanted to hurt the girl who broke his heart and the best weapon he could find was RACE. He always uses his music to rip into the women who he feels have "failed" him.

yep...
how are you gonna symbolically bury your ma in a video... write a song about killing your baby's ma then talk about how much you love your daughter?!!

why hasn't he tore into his pops that strong? altleast that lady was there...

somebody posted a while ago... on another thread that what shames the mother, shames the child... that stuck with me...

he's a lil boy... cryin, whinnin, moanin... and America eats that crazy mess up...

Em a racist? no... an $sshole? yep...

you know black folks don't like nobody talking about their mama... he irks me with that stuff, man... PERFECT...

mhd

11-20-2003, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
"The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager. I'd just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African-American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was. I hope people will take it for the foolishness that it was, not for what somebody is trying to make it into today."

I count three references by Eminem to his own "stupidity" and "foolishness"--an explicit admission of wrongdoing if ever I've seen one.

As an earlier poster asked, how shall he atone for his sins? Leave the game altogether? Don't interupt a mob with the obvious, it ruins all the fun. [/QUOTE]man, you missing a great convo [/QUOTE]Naw. . .I'm keepin' up. Unfortunately, I just don't care enough to defend or prosecute Em. Whether he gets forgiven or if he gets blacklisted (excuse the pun), it really won't make a difference for anyone.

Yeah, he fucked up. But, he apologized. . .what more can we ask for? A time machine trip to the moment he fucked up so that he can change it? [/QUOTE]wow, you really are missing a great convo, maybe we can ask him to talk about how he thinks black women in particular and all women generally, should be treated, and not as an examination of his particulars, but as a starting point to....change

Moksha

11-20-2003, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Gman:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
"The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager. I'd just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African-American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was. I hope people will take it for the foolishness that it was, not for what somebody is trying to make it into today."

I count three references by Eminem to his own "stupidity" and "foolishness"--an explicit admission of wrongdoing if ever I've seen one.

As an earlier poster asked, how shall he atone for his sins? Leave the game altogether? Don't interupt a mob with the obvious, it ruins all the fun. [/QUOTE]You reduce this thread to just mob action ? [/QUOTE]Em said that he fucked up and is sorry. He has admitted his wrongdoing. He has "owned " it, as Danny wants. We could go on for days, trying to psychoanalyze him. But, who cares? He's just some dumb pop star.

Moksha

11-20-2003, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
maybe we can ask him to talk about how he thinks black women in particular and all women generally, should be treated, and not as an examination of his particulars, but as a starting point to....change It would be nice. . .but I think he is too dumb to say anything very profound or articulate. Kid has talent and can rhyme, but he's still just some dumb trailer trash kid that lucked his way into pop stardom. It's like asking Mike Tyson to give a public service announcement on Women's rights.

Moksha

11-20-2003, 07:14 PM

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
maybe we can ask him to talk about how he thinks black women in particular and all women generally, should be treated, and not as an examination of his particulars, but as a starting point to....change It would be nice. . .but I think he is too dumb to say anything very profound or articulate. Kid has talent and can rhyme, but he's still just some dumb trailer trash kid that lucked his way into pop stardom. It's like asking Mike Tyson to give a public service announcement on Women's rights. [/QUOTE]Pressure forces GROWTH, Konbit.

Moksha

11-20-2003, 07:28 PM

This page had Em pegged before this story came up. Just like whites did OJ before any evidence. Same shit, different day.

BTW—If we did in-depth thorough research into anyone's life (which the media has done to him), we'd find all of us guilty for saying some stupid shit once. Fortunately, none of us were MCs, keeping taped records.

I don't excuse what he said, which was really cruel and ignorant, but I think this is a non-issue.

I spent the day at London's protest today, with my 80-year-old grandparents, hearing about murdered Iraqi children, seeing the frustration of a world where politicians ignore their people, getting updates on dead Britons in Istanbul.

Eminem's ancient freestyle means fuck all to me today.

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
This page had Em pegged before this story came up. Just like whites did OJ before any evidence. Same shit, different day.

BTW—If we did in-depth thorough research into anyone's life (which the media has done to him), we'd find all of us guilty for saying some stupid shit once. Fortunately, none of us were MCs, keeping taped records.

I don't excuse what he said, which was really cruel and ignorant, but I think this is a non-issue.

I spent the day at London's protest today, with my 80-year-old grandparents, hearing about murdered Iraqi children, seeing the frustration of a world where politicians ignore their people, getting updates on dead Britons in Istanbul.

Eminem's ancient freestyle means fuck all to me today. Yea...but did you see 8 Mile?! ;)

[ November 20, 2003, 07:42 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

gabriel

11-20-2003, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
You believe everyone is as aware as you? in everything i know and do there are those who are less aware and those who are more aware than i. my level of "awareness" does not make me less responsible to myself nor to the community that surrounds me. that responsability flows not from some "awareness" but from my membership in the community. i share equal responsability with everyone that surrounds me, and as such an equal duty to live life in a manner that projects my views, "awareness" and responsabilities.

that's it.

everyone knows change comes from within. many are too lazy to accept it.

Bold Soul

11-20-2003, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
You believe everyone is as aware as you? in everything i know and do there are those who are less aware and those who are more aware than i. my level of "awareness" does not make me less responsible to myself nor to the community that surrounds me. that responsability flows not from some "awareness" but from my membership in the community. i share equal responsability with everyone that surrounds me, and as such an equal duty to live life in a manner that projects my views, "awareness" and responsabilities.

that's it.

everyone knows change comes from within. many are too lazy to accept it. [/QUOTE]Hmm...it doesn't seem as if you're taking ENVIRONMENT into account. A good reading of Plato's "The Cave" or a repeat viewing of "The Matrix" should help.

Count yourself among the fortunate who aren't conditioned from birth to be cogs in the machine.

Then lose some of that arrogance and consider those who aren't fortunate enough to have your well-developed cognitive thinking skills. You seem apathetic.

Bill Blake

11-20-2003, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:

For the record, he's a mysognyst. He isn't a racist. He wanted to hurt the girl who broke his heart and the best weapon he could find was RACE. He always uses his music to rip into the women who he feels have "failed" him.

BINGO!

Thats exactly what he is.

And to answer Saadir....he still is a mysognyst based on the perspective he has shown in his work as recent as the last 5 years up til' last.

Moksha

11-21-2003, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
This page had Em pegged before this story came up. Just like whites did OJ before any evidence. Same shit, different day.

BTW—If we did in-depth thorough research into anyone's life (which the media has done to him), we'd find all of us guilty for saying some stupid shit once. Fortunately, none of us were MCs, keeping taped records.

I don't excuse what he said, which was really cruel and ignorant, but I think this is a non-issue.

I spent the day at London's protest today, with my 80-year-old grandparents, hearing about murdered Iraqi children, seeing the frustration of a world where politicians ignore their people, getting updates on dead Britons in Istanbul.

Eminem's ancient freestyle means fuck all to me today. Yea...but did you see 8 Mile?! ;) [/QUOTE]I was soooo disappointed in that film. People actually told me it was good!!!! I guess he did alright as a non-actor, but it was pretty self-seving and dull. It would have been better (as would have Slam), if there was more rhyming and less Hollywood clichés. That film was pretty mysoginistic too.

On another note—Danny and Jamie, check out a book called "The Alphabet and the Goddess" sometime.

Moksha

11-21-2003, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Hmm...it doesn't seem as if you're taking ENVIRONMENT into account. A good reading of Plato's "The Cave" or a repeat viewing of "The Matrix" should help. There is are many great lessons to be learned here.

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 11:13 AM

I know you guys are tired of me bumping this ain't cha? :D it's friday got d@mn it!!!

BENZINO AN 'NEM BUST EM AGAIN: Rapper sinks further in "racially" offensive lyrics allegations.

Eminem
(Nov. 21, 2003) Eminem has a few folks literally wondering who’s the real slim shady these days with the latest allegations that he performed racist lyrics in his career.
The Source Magazine earlier this week revealed a tape of the rapper spewing racial slurs targeted against black people and particularly black women.

The magazine is crowing that they've now confirmed the recording date of the unnamed Eminem track to be 1993; the actual Maxell tape containing the track was manufactured in Japan in October 1992. The recording was made direct-to-tape; thus it would have been impossible to have been made in 1988, as Eminem has claimed. The recording date of the tape clearly Eminem’s claim of being a teenager. He would have been 21 at the time of the recording.

In a statement issued by Eminem on Tuesday night when The Source aired this tape publicly for the first time, Eminem said, “The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager.”

But an un-relenting Ray Benzino had an immediate retort for Eminem saying, “Eminem lied on Tuesday. He was 21-years-old when he recorded this track. At 21, you’re old enough to drink, to vote, to serve your country. You’re also old enough to take responsibility for your words. Eminem needs to apologize to the Black community and, particularly, Black women for these offensive lyrics.”

Lyrics and an audio track are available at www.thesource.com (http://www.thesource.com)

fred da warrior

11-21-2003, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
I know you guys are tired of me bumping this ain't cha? :D it's friday got d@mn it!!!

BENZINO AN 'NEM BUST EM AGAIN: Rapper sinks further in "racially" offensive lyrics allegations.

Eminem
(Nov. 21, 2003) Eminem has a few folks literally wondering who’s the real slim shady these days with the latest allegations that he performed racist lyrics in his career.
The Source Magazine earlier this week revealed a tape of the rapper spewing racial slurs targeted against black people and particularly black women.

The magazine is crowing that they've now confirmed the recording date of the unnamed Eminem track to be 1993; the actual Maxell tape containing the track was manufactured in Japan in October 1992. The recording was made direct-to-tape; thus it would have been impossible to have been made in 1988, as Eminem has claimed. The recording date of the tape clearly Eminem’s claim of being a teenager. He would have been 21 at the time of the recording.

In a statement issued by Eminem on Tuesday night when The Source aired this tape publicly for the first time, Eminem said, “The tape they played today was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager.”

But an un-relenting Ray Benzino had an immediate retort for Eminem saying, “Eminem lied on Tuesday. He was 21-years-old when he recorded this track. At 21, you’re old enough to drink, to vote, to serve your country. You’re also old enough to take responsibility for your words. Eminem needs to apologize to the Black community and, particularly, Black women for these offensive lyrics.”

Lyrics and an audio track are available at www.thesource.com (http://www.thesource.com) As I said before, somebody dig up the Ray/ The Almighty RSO's tapes back in 93 and I bet that he wasn't rappin about "Queen of the Earth, Mother of the Universe" and Black Nation Building. I wonder would HE be willing to apologize to black women/ community for some of his content.

Seems to me, Em must have matured in some form/ fashion 'cause he didn't have to call Benzino a nigger to dis him.

We often talk about INTENT here, so I question this cat's SINCERITY, as if he is so fuckin concerned about black people....

Please.