Spike Lee calls gansta rap "dangerous stuff" [Archive]

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12-03-2003, 09:09 AM

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PROVIDENCE, R.I., Dec. 2
Continuing his criticism of rap, Spike Lee told an audience at Brown University that popular music portrays blacks in a negative light.

SPEAKING TO AN audience of more than 400 students Monday night, the director of films including “Do the Right Thing” and “Malcolm X” repeated the complaints he’s made at colleges and universities over the past year.

“I’ve always felt you can feel the progress of African Americans by listening to their music,” Lee said. “Some of this ‘gangsta rap’ stuff, it’s not doing anybody any good. This stuff is really dangerous.”

He said some black adults equate education, good grammar and good grades with “being white,” but when he was growing up, those things were seen as positive goals.

“You were not ridiculed if you spoke correct English,” he said. Lee urged the audience to make their voices heard by not buying or viewing anything that portrays blacks in a negative way.

“We buy all this stuff, not even thinking about what’s behind it ... Think about the power that we have,” the 46-year-old said. “We can’t just sit back and think it doesn’t affect us. We have to do something about it. We have to be more choosy about the types of stuff we support.”

Lee also urged students to follow their dreams after graduation, “or you’ll be sitting around, fat, divorced and miserable because you took some job, or you took some path that you didn’t really want to do.”

Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand

12-03-2003, 09:14 AM

Good article, I feel the same way and other artist and entertainers need to take the same stand for our children. Thanks for posting

variable

12-03-2003, 09:14 AM

I agree. But I still love some Ass and titties.

'Magic' Juan

12-03-2003, 09:16 AM

I think many people are aware of that fact, but not many care. Take smokers for instance.

magic_juan

Jamie 3:26

12-03-2003, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by Magic Juan:
I think many people are aware of that fact, but not many care. Take smokers for instance.

magic_juan Newports don't have shit to do with this MJ.... graemlins/rofl.gif

'Magic' Juan

12-03-2003, 09:18 AM

;)

variable

12-03-2003, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by Jamie 3:26:
Newports don't have shit to do with this MJ.... graemlins/rofl.gif Yeah they do, Newports in near Brown University.

djyoavb

12-03-2003, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by DiscoLady:
Good article, I feel the same way and other artist and entertainers need to take the same stand for our children. Thanks for posting as long as they can make more money out of it they'll keep bangin' it- sad but true... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand

12-03-2003, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by djyoavb:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DiscoLady:
Good article, I feel the same way and other artist and entertainers need to take the same stand for our children. Thanks for posting as long as they can make more money out of it they'll keep bangin' it- sad but true... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif [/QUOTE]You're right, These rappers took the "pimp" image to whole other level. Our children look up to this graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

darrow

12-03-2003, 09:59 AM

I like some of the sentiment, but Spike is trippin if he really thinks that good grades and good grammar were always (I know he didn't say always) seen as positive things back in the day.

If that were the case, I doubt I wouldve gotten so much fever from kids about how I talked (articulate little bookworm that I was) or the fact that I studied hard and got good grades.

Geek, nerd, punk, whiteboy, etc. were some of the names I remember, yet all I was doing was taking care of business.

Dj Pat

12-03-2003, 09:59 AM

I remember at UIC, we had a long discusion over this same topic.
The group was all black, yet there was conflict's between people in the session.
I have to agree with spike on this. For one, a kids mind has the tedency to think and react in what it see's and hear's everyday.
I think the sad part of everything is that a child could remember a whole Hip-Hop song, word for word, but cant read a simple paragraph from a book in his/hers grade level.
If thats not sad, then what is?

Dj Pat
Physical Heat Music.

djyoavb

12-03-2003, 09:59 AM

it's one of the many things that reflects our world's (moral, ecologic, social etc) condition now adays...

Huey P. Freeman

12-03-2003, 10:06 AM

The biggest influence in a childs life should be their parents. If I were a parent I would not allow my child to listen to most of the "music" being churned out to the masses. Once they got to an age where they could distinguish right from wrong and entertainment from reality I would let them choose what they listened to. People need to be better parents and entertainers need to be more responsible in what they put out there imo.

'Magic' Juan

12-03-2003, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Blue:
I remember at UIC, we had a long discusion over this same topic.
The group was all black, yet there was conflict's between people in the session.
I have to agree with spike on this. For one, a kids mind has the tedency to think and react in what it see's and hear's everyday.
I think the sad part of everything is that a child could remember a whole Hip-Hop song, word for word, but cant read a simple paragraph from a book in his/hers grade level.
If thats not sad, then what is?

Dj Pat
Physical Heat Music. HEY BLUE ...

Did you go to UIC here in Chicago or Urbana? I graduated from the one here in Chi and that is where I am currently working. Do I know you?

magic_juan graemlins/conf44.gif

Dj Pat

12-03-2003, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Magic Juan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Blue:
I remember at UIC, we had a long discusion over this same topic.
The group was all black, yet there was conflict's between people in the session.
I have to agree with spike on this. For one, a kids mind has the tedency to think and react in what it see's and hear's everyday.
I think the sad part of everything is that a child could remember a whole Hip-Hop song, word for word, but cant read a simple paragraph from a book in his/hers grade level.
If thats not sad, then what is?

Dj Pat
Physical Heat Music. HEY BLUE ...

Did you go to UIC here in Chicago or Urbana? I graduated from the one here in Chi and that is where I am currently working. Do I know you?

magic_juan graemlins/conf44.gif [/QUOTE]UIC Chicago Campus.
1994-98
Where do you work at?

[ December 03, 2003, 10:14 AM: Message edited by: Blue ]

'Magic' Juan

12-03-2003, 10:14 AM

Me too! I was on the 5 year plan, though (93-98). Degree in Psychology. Currently working in the Physical Ed Building (PEB). Wow, interesting ....

magic_juan graemlins/beerchug.gif

[ December 03, 2003, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: Magic Juan ]

Germain

12-03-2003, 10:17 AM

Dj Pat

12-03-2003, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by Magic Juan:
Me too! I was on the 5 year plan, though (93-98). Degree in Psychology. Currently working in the Physical Ed Building (PEB). Wow, interesting ....

magic_juan graemlins/beerchug.gif Ohh, I got Acepted in the Dentistry Program in 98. Did 2yr's but had to leave, "lack of Funds". But im still a D2 Credit with the Dental program.
Rite now im Curently a Pharmacy Tech. Consultant with Baxter inc.

'Magic' Juan

12-03-2003, 10:27 AM

Damn, you did good sir. Congrats ... nice to know someone else on the board from U of I.

magic_juan graemlins/cool_shades.gif

shannoneileen

12-03-2003, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
The biggest influence in a childs life should be their parents. If I were a parent I would not allow my child to listen to most of the "music" being churned out to the masses. Once they got to an age where they could distinguish right from wrong and entertainment from reality I would let them choose what they listened to. People need to be better parents and entertainers need to be more responsible in what they put out there imo. I agree that the biggest influence in a child's life should be their parents... out of all the negative things I saw and witnessed, away from my mother, I always retained a sense of 'morality' that she instilled (even after making major mistakes)...
I don't shelter my children BUT I know that the example I set, by the way I live my life, is something I want from them to 'know' and 'get'...
All sorts of topics (sex, violence, etc.) are discussed in my home... my kids are babies but on World AIDS Day we had a discussion about the pleasures of sex... and the dangers...
I politely told them that in about 7 or 8 years they are gonna catch these feelings, and that's ok... just know that if you value your life... strap up! I demonstrated by putting a condom on my two fingers and elaborated on how things come about... the conversation ended with us rolling around on the floor trying to catch the condom water balloon....
it's never too young... treat those little people with a little respect, lots of consideration... yet let them know who pays the bills, chances are... they'll be aiight...

The Buddy Love Show

12-03-2003, 11:38 AM

“I’ve always felt you can feel the progress of African Americans by listening to their music,” Lee said. “Some of this ‘gangsta rap’ stuff, it’s not doing anybody any good. This stuff is really dangerous.”

This from the cat who had "Da Butt" in his soundtrack

I guess it aint ok to pimp if you aint the one pimpin.

Blacks been singin about gettin ass and mackin since before Spike was born....like S Jackson said maybe he needs to strt consentrating on making movies people wanna see again

Bill Blake

12-03-2003, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
“I’ve always felt you can feel the progress of African Americans by listening to their music,” Lee said. “Some of this ‘gangsta rap’ stuff, it’s not doing anybody any good. This stuff is really dangerous.”

This from the cat who had "Da Butt" in his soundtrack

I guess it aint ok to pimp if you aint the one pimpin.

Blacks been singin about gettin ass and mackin since before Spike was born....like S Jackson said maybe he needs to strt consentrating on making movies people wanna see again Yea but Mark 'Da Butt' isnt Gangsta Rap.

God I hate spelling shit like 'Gangsta'!

GANGSTER GANGSTER GANGSTER!

[ December 03, 2003, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

shannoneileen

12-03-2003, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
“I’ve always felt you can feel the progress of African Americans by listening to their music,” Lee said. “Some of this ‘gangsta rap’ stuff, it’s not doing anybody any good. This stuff is really dangerous.”

This from the cat who had "Da Butt" in his soundtrack

I guess it aint ok to pimp if you aint the one pimpin.

Blacks been singin about gettin ass and mackin since before Spike was born....like S Jackson said maybe he needs to strt consentrating on making movies people wanna see again icon_rofl.gif
wow... that's cold St. Magus... but you do have a point...
that last movie, with that dude from Fight Club was good though :D
maybe he's running for office...

Germain

12-03-2003, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
“I’ve always felt you can feel the progress of African Americans by listening to their music,” Lee said. “Some of this ‘gangsta rap’ stuff, it’s not doing anybody any good. This stuff is really dangerous.”

This from the cat who had "Da Butt" in his soundtrack

I guess it aint ok to pimp if you aint the one pimpin.

Blacks been singin about gettin ass and mackin since before Spike was born....like S Jackson said maybe he needs to strt consentrating on making movies people wanna see again A little booty shakin can't be compared to the modern day minstrel films that are aired everyday on BET and MTV.

[ December 03, 2003, 12:07 PM: Message edited by: Germain ]

Germain

12-03-2003, 11:50 AM

[ December 03, 2003, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: Germain ]

djyoavb

12-03-2003, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
“I’ve always felt you can feel the progress of African Americans by listening to their music,” Lee said. “Some of this ‘gangsta rap’ stuff, it’s not doing anybody any good. This stuff is really dangerous.”

This from the cat who had "Da Butt" in his soundtrack

I guess it aint ok to pimp if you aint the one pimpin.

Blacks been singin about gettin ass and mackin since before Spike was born....like S Jackson said maybe he needs to strt consentrating on making movies people wanna see again icon_rofl.gif
wow... that's cold St. Magus... but you do have a point...
that last movie, with that dude from Fight Club was good though :D
maybe he's running for office... [/QUOTE]25th hour was pretty good.

larry rauson

12-03-2003, 11:55 AM

Menstrual films!?!?!?

J-Lennie is correct, the literacy level is very low today.

Larry

shannoneileen

12-03-2003, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Germain:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
“I’ve always felt you can feel the progress of African Americans by listening to their music,” Lee said. “Some of this ‘gangsta rap’ stuff, it’s not doing anybody any good. This stuff is really dangerous.”

This from the cat who had "Da Butt" in his soundtrack

I guess it aint ok to pimp if you aint the one pimpin.

Blacks been singin about gettin ass and mackin since before Spike was born....like S Jackson said maybe he needs to strt consentrating on making movies people wanna see again A little booty shakin can't be compared to the modern day mentrual films that a aired everyday on BET and MTV. [/QUOTE]I understand where you're coming from, but then again... it's like the old argument about what's considered pornography and what is not...
I loved School Daze but there are plenty of bones of contention if it were ones intention to search for questionable material...
Are you suggesting censorship? Artistic responsiblity?
I know that artists should be more aware of their audiences... but then again, they are... they are about the bottom line... the almighty dollar... so if you look to artists to define your experience, or the experiences of your children, you are doing yourself a disservice...
Censorship ain't workin... Artist put out what's gonna get them the biggest return... responsiblity for individual children lie with individual parents...

Brut by Faberge

12-03-2003, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by larry rauson:
Menstrual films!?!?!?

J-Lennie is correct, the literacy level is very low today.

Larry graemlins/rofl.gif chick flicks?

Bill Blake

12-03-2003, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by larry rauson:
Menstrual films!?!?!?

J-Lennie is correct, the literacy level is very low today.

Larry graemlins/rofl.gif chick flicks? [/QUOTE]Ha ha ha

Germain

12-03-2003, 12:09 PM

Sorry, I forgot you have to do spell check around here for those same people who probably stand around at parties spotting train wrecks.

variable

12-03-2003, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by djyoavb:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
“I’ve always felt you can feel the progress of African Americans by listening to their music,” Lee said. “Some of this ‘gangsta rap’ stuff, it’s not doing anybody any good. This stuff is really dangerous.”

This from the cat who had "Da Butt" in his soundtrack

I guess it aint ok to pimp if you aint the one pimpin.

Blacks been singin about gettin ass and mackin since before Spike was born....like S Jackson said maybe he needs to strt consentrating on making movies people wanna see again icon_rofl.gif
wow... that's cold St. Magus... but you do have a point...
that last movie, with that dude from Fight Club was good though :D
maybe he's running for office... [/QUOTE]25th hour was pretty good. [/QUOTE]SAY WORD, I almost shed a tear. And Im hard. Personally, I like all of Spikes movies, except School Daze. I hate singing in my movies.

Cheddar

12-03-2003, 12:21 PM

Funny, the streets are hating on Andre 3000's side of the new OUTKAST album....uhh thats it.

[ December 03, 2003, 12:22 PM: Message edited by: 1343 ]

Brut by Faberge

12-03-2003, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by 1343:
Funny, the streets are hating on Andre 3000's side of the new OUTKAST album....uhh thats it. 'splain please, for those of us not familiar with the new Outkast.

And

12-03-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by variable:
SAY WORD, I almost shed a tear. And Im hard. graemlins/rofl.gif

shannoneileen

12-03-2003, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by variable:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
“I’ve always felt you can feel the progress of African Americans by listening to their music,” Lee said. “Some of this ‘gangsta rap’ stuff, it’s not doing anybody any good. This stuff is really dangerous.”

This from the cat who had "Da Butt" in his soundtrack

I guess it aint ok to pimp if you aint the one pimpin.

Blacks been singin about gettin ass and mackin since before Spike was born....like S Jackson said maybe he needs to strt consentrating on making movies people wanna see again icon_rofl.gif
wow... that's cold St. Magus... but you do have a point...
that last movie, with that dude from Fight Club was good though :D
maybe he's running for office... [/QUOTE]25th hour was pretty good. [/QUOTE]SAY WORD, I almost shed a tear. And Im hard. Personally, I like all of Spikes movies, except School Daze. I hate singing in my movies. [/QUOTE]whatchoo talkin bout?
School Daze was good!!! :D
I personally liked all that sangin...

shannoneileen

12-03-2003, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by 1343:
Funny, the streets are hating on Andre 3000's side of the new OUTKAST album....uhh thats it. I like it...
He funky like George Clinton... :D

Cheddar

12-03-2003, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 1343:
Funny, the streets are hating on Andre 3000's side of the new OUTKAST album....uhh thats it. 'splain please, for those of us not familiar with the new Outkast. [/QUOTE]Look how hard it is to get people to take in something new. If it aint Gansta-triple OG out with bling and hoes, people are not checking it...just like house/club music. It would take every rapper who Spike is talking about to speak out against this hip hop and stop making it to get people to open up and realize they are neck-high in some ignant self depreciating shit.

Andre 3000 talks about LOVE through his whole album and mostly sings. The beats are not NEPTUNE or LIL JOHN style. The streets cant relate.

Sorry to go off....

shannoneileen

12-03-2003, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 1343:
Funny, the streets are hating on Andre 3000's side of the new OUTKAST album....uhh thats it. I like it...
He funky like George Clinton... :D [/QUOTE]it may just be a Southern thing... but everyone i know, likes it...
we put our arm around his shoulder cause he's one of us, then we sit down and give it a good listen... it's good stuff...
even Jay Z, in an interview, said that he felt it... but it was too progressive for the usual hip hop listener... and that basically, he (jay z) had some of the same thoughts but lacked the courage to change up his style for fear of not appearing 'hard' to the usual suspects...

yes... we fear change... it's sad, i admit, but not all hope is lost... it's slowly changing...

Bold Soul

12-03-2003, 12:49 PM

Spike Lee does not have a clean enough track record to make statements such as this. He should allow his work to do the tallking.

The Buddy Love Show

12-03-2003, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Germain:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
“I’ve always felt you can feel the progress of African Americans by listening to their music,” Lee said. “Some of this ‘gangsta rap’ stuff, it’s not doing anybody any good. This stuff is really dangerous.”

This from the cat who had "Da Butt" in his soundtrack

I guess it aint ok to pimp if you aint the one pimpin.

Blacks been singin about gettin ass and mackin since before Spike was born....like S Jackson said maybe he needs to strt consentrating on making movies people wanna see again A little booty shakin can't be compared to the modern day mentrual films that a aired everyday on BET and MTV. [/QUOTE]responsiblity for individual children lie with individual parents... [/QUOTE]that statement is where its at and what its all about...If my children can't read or right or turn to shit its becasue I, MARK did not do MY job..i'm not blaming the government, the schools rap videos or martians

Cheddar

12-03-2003, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Germain:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
“I’ve always felt you can feel the progress of African Americans by listening to their music,” Lee said. “Some of this ‘gangsta rap’ stuff, it’s not doing anybody any good. This stuff is really dangerous.”

This from the cat who had "Da Butt" in his soundtrack

I guess it aint ok to pimp if you aint the one pimpin.

Blacks been singin about gettin ass and mackin since before Spike was born....like S Jackson said maybe he needs to strt consentrating on making movies people wanna see again A little booty shakin can't be compared to the modern day mentrual films that a aired everyday on BET and MTV. [/QUOTE]responsiblity for individual children lie with individual parents... [/QUOTE]that statement is where its at and what its all about...If my children can't read or right or turn to shit its becasue I, MARK did not do MY job..i'm not blaming the government, the schools rap videos or martians [/QUOTE]In all seriousness, not all young kids are as fortunate as your kids.

shannoneileen

12-03-2003, 01:33 PM

1343...
again, right...
not all kids are as fortunate as the kids of parents that have the where-with-all to do what is necessary to care for them in the way in which all children deserve...
i'll be the first to admit that it takes a hell of a lot for children born of disadvantageous circumstances to be progressive and productive if their parents lack the means or capability to give them the tools it takes to be successful in America...
Radical change, that allows kids opportunites, do not begin or end with artists...
Yes, it would be nice if they were more responsible with their messages... but why should they be held to a standard the rest of America can't seem to get?
The 'isms' need resolution first... self esteem is more easily built on a solid foundation... The example of what is 'f'd' up in the USA has long been in place before artist began talking about their lives through gangsta rap...
Spike seemed to point them out...(when you point at others, three fingers point right back at cha)
America's problems are much deeper than gangsta rap...

Germain

12-05-2003, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
1343...
again, right...
not all kids are as fortunate as the kids of parents that have the where-with-all to do what is necessary to care for them in the way in which all children deserve...
i'll be the first to admit that it takes a hell of a lot for children born of disadvantageous circumstances to be progressive and productive if their parents lack the means or capability to give them the tools it takes to be successful in America...
Radical change, that allows kids opportunites, do not begin or end with artists...
Yes, it would be nice if they were more responsible with their messages... but why should they be held to a standard the rest of America can't seem to get?
The 'isms' need resolution first... self esteem is more easily built on a solid foundation... The example of what is 'f'd' up in the USA has long been in place before artist began talking about their lives through gangsta rap...
Spike seemed to point them out...(when you point at others, three fingers point right back at cha)
America's problems are much deeper than gangsta rap... Well said including your quote...Be careful where you inquire for directions along the road of life.

[ December 05, 2003, 11:29 AM: Message edited by: Germain ]

shannoneileen

12-05-2003, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by Germain:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
1343...
again, right...
not all kids are as fortunate as the kids of parents that have the where-with-all to do what is necessary to care for them in the way in which all children deserve...
i'll be the first to admit that it takes a hell of a lot for children born of disadvantageous circumstances to be progressive and productive if their parents lack the means or capability to give them the tools it takes to be successful in America...
Radical change, that allows kids opportunites, do not begin or end with artists...
Yes, it would be nice if they were more responsible with their messages... but why should they be held to a standard the rest of America can't seem to get?
The 'isms' need resolution first... self esteem is more easily built on a solid foundation... The example of what is 'f'd' up in the USA has long been in place before artist began talking about their lives through gangsta rap...
Spike seemed to point them out...(when you point at others, three fingers point right back at cha)
America's problems are much deeper than gangsta rap... Well said including your quote...Be careful where you inquire for directions along the road of life. [/QUOTE]Thanks Germain!!! smile.gif

ivanjb

12-05-2003, 01:39 PM

The bling/jiggy/cribs/MTV hip hop that is basically today's pop music is what I have a problem with. Way moreso than the gangsta stuff.

Like Little Kim or some of the other wanna-be big wheels. Get "rich" making a couple hits and then go and spend every dime on 2500 pairs of shoes, over 100 fur coats and a showroom for each high end designer in your home.

Don't these fools remember MC Hammer?

I can imagine a big % of the cribs spotlights being on VH1's "Behind The Music" in five years.

jimmymack-2000

12-05-2003, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by ivanjb:

Like Little Kim or some of the other wanna-be big wheels.
L'il Kim is looking positively wholesome in the latest round of GAP commercials...

Fletch

12-05-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Spike Lee does not have a clean enough track record to make statements such as this. He should allow his work to do the tallking. Folks may start diggin' up the Plato's Retreat scene in Son of Sam.

[ December 05, 2003, 01:50 PM: Message edited by: Fletch ]

Fletch

12-05-2003, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
[QUOTE]If my children can't read or right or turn to shit its becasue I, MARK did not do MY job..i'm not blaming the government, the schools rap videos or martians St. Ward Connelly, The Reviled?????
Thomas Sowell, The Brotha Who Fell To Earth????

or

Your Idol, Condy Love?????

Sounds like agreement with some cats who've gone the other way.

shannoneileen

12-05-2003, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by ivanjb:
The bling/jiggy/cribs/MTV hip hop that is basically today's pop music is what I have a problem with. Way moreso than the gangsta stuff.

Like Little Kim or some of the other wanna-be big wheels. Get "rich" making a couple hits and then go and spend every dime on 2500 pairs of shoes, over 100 fur coats and a showroom for each high end designer in your home.

Don't these fools remember MC Hammer?

I can imagine a big % of the cribs spotlights being on VH1's "Behind The Music" in five years. materialism at it's finest... nah... they don't remember Hammer... then again, Hammer was trying to bring his whole hood up by giving them all gigs...

sadly, we're dealing with a lot of folk that never had anything... now it's like they won the lotto or something... pushing it up in everybody's face, with limited knowledge of investments and limited thoughts of future plans... they need to have training classes like NFL rookies...

Puff, who started the 'all about the benji's' craze, on the other hand, is smart... gotta give him that... he said he won't stop... can't stop...
I do beleive that he will try to run for office one day in the future...

besides... i get tired of them quoting designers that i have never heard of... lol i can't afford that stuff!!!

i feel ya tho... this too, shall pass...

jimmymack-2000

12-05-2003, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
sadly, we're dealing with a lot of folk that never had anything... now it's like they won the lotto or something... pushing it up in everybody's face, with limited knowledge of investments and limited thoughts of future plans... they need to have training classes like NFL rookies...
I was reading recently about Slick Rick's deportation appeal (which he won). The story made reference to the fact that Rick owned a couple of apartment buildings in NYC. Now there's a man who put some of his music business $$$ to work for him...

shannoneileen

12-05-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
sadly, we're dealing with a lot of folk that never had anything... now it's like they won the lotto or something... pushing it up in everybody's face, with limited knowledge of investments and limited thoughts of future plans... they need to have training classes like NFL rookies...
I was reading recently about Slick Rick's deportation appeal (which he won). The story made reference to the fact that Rick owned a couple of apartment buildings in NYC. Now there's a man who put some of his music business $$$ to work for him... [/QUOTE]man that's good! i love success stories:) ...well... if we're calling rick a success story, that is :D ;)
i'm sure that there are many, many more, as well... ya just don't seem to hear about them as much...

'Magic' Juan

12-05-2003, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
sadly, we're dealing with a lot of folk that never had anything... now it's like they won the lotto or something... pushing it up in everybody's face, with limited knowledge of investments and limited thoughts of future plans... they need to have training classes like NFL rookies...
I was reading recently about Slick Rick's deportation appeal (which he won). The story made reference to the fact that Rick owned a couple of apartment buildings in NYC. Now there's a man who put some of his music business $$$ to work for him... [/QUOTE]I am glad you posted this. I was wondering what ever came about that. Dude made a lot of mistakes, but hopefully he will stay on track.

magic_juan

corwin

12-05-2003, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Fletch:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Spike Lee does not have a clean enough track record to make statements such as this. He should allow his work to do the tallking. Folks may start diggin' up the Plato's Retreat scene in Son of Sam. [/QUOTE]They may start diggin' up Nike commercials.

ivanjb

12-05-2003, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
sadly, we're dealing with a lot of folk that never had anything... now it's like they won the lotto or something... pushing it up in everybody's face, with limited knowledge of investments and limited thoughts of future plans... they need to have training classes like NFL rookies...
I was reading recently about Slick Rick's deportation appeal (which he won). The story made reference to the fact that Rick owned a couple of apartment buildings in NYC. Now there's a man who put some of his music business $$$ to work for him... [/QUOTE]Owning $$$ generating NYC Real Estate is something impressive. F a Bentley, I'm proud to drive a rusty Ford knowing that my money is invested in something real.

Bold Soul

12-05-2003, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by corwin:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Fletch:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Spike Lee does not have a clean enough track record to make statements such as this. He should allow his work to do the tallking. Folks may start diggin' up the Plato's Retreat scene in Son of Sam. [/QUOTE]They may start diggin' up Nike commercials. [/QUOTE]KaPOW! Put that thing down before you hurt somebody, man!

D J 1 3 8

12-05-2003, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by corwin:
They may start diggin' up Nike commercials. \

I wanted to cry when I saw that the first time. 3 of my heros selling out all at once...

shannoneileen

12-05-2003, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by corwin:
They may start diggin' up Nike commercials. \

I wanted to cry when I saw that the first time. 3 of my heros selling out all at once... [/QUOTE]who are your three heroes?

the crackhouse

12-05-2003, 03:26 PM

D J 1 3 8

12-05-2003, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by corwin:
They may start diggin' up Nike commercials. \

I wanted to cry when I saw that the first time. 3 of my heros selling out all at once... [/QUOTE]who are your three heroes? [/QUOTE]At the time, I was really in to Spike Lee, KRS ONE, and Gil Scott Heron. KRS did a commercial with Spike sampling "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised". To see GSH's song used in conjunction with a Nike logo just made my stomach turn. Not unlike many of my parent's generation, who couldn't satdn when NIke used The Beatles "revolution #9" in one of their ads.

Sadly, I'm not as idealistic as I once was.

Come to think of it, Spike was probably already doing Nike commercials before that. But, Gil Scott Heron? I was shocked. I think you know what I mean. It's that mixed feeling of "well, at least their getting some serious dough, but did they have to do it like this ?"

In retrospect, knowing GSH's history, maybe he had already sold the rights to that song.

[ December 05, 2003, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: DJ 138 ]

shannoneileen

12-05-2003, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by corwin:
They may start diggin' up Nike commercials. \

I wanted to cry when I saw that the first time. 3 of my heros selling out all at once... [/QUOTE]who are your three heroes? [/QUOTE]At the time, I was really in to Spike Lee, KRS ONE, and Gil Scott Heron. KRS did a commercial with Spike sampling "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised". To see GSH's song used in conjunction with a Nike logo just made my stomach turn. Not unlike many of my parent's generation, who couldn't satdn when NIke used The Beatles "revolution #9" in one of their ads.

Sadly, I'm not as idealistic as I once was.

Come to think of it, Spike was probably already doing Nike commercials before that. But, Gil Scott Heron? I was shocked. I think you know what I mean. It's that mixed feeling of "well, at least their getting some serious dough, but did they have to do it like this ?"

In retrospect, knowing GSH's history, maybe he had already sold the rights to that song. [/QUOTE]i'm sorry... it's like the thing that gave you such a terrific sense of pride is now reduced to peddling merchandise...

i totally relate with the slow but gradual loss of idealism... i'm sooo desperately trying to hold on to mine...

are you referring to the allegations of drug abuse? or some commercial venture on the part of GSH?

again... i relate...

D J 1 3 8

12-05-2003, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:

are you referring to the allegations of drug abuse? or some commercial venture on the part of GSH?
Simply his history of drug addiction. If he's literally been living in a crack house as of late, then it's not too hard to imagine he sold all of his publishing rights long ago for drug money. I would certainly hope not, but drug addicts are famous for their bad judgement, aren't they?.

shannoneileen

12-05-2003, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by DJ 138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:

are you referring to the allegations of drug abuse? or some commercial venture on the part of GSH?
Simply his history of drug addiction. If he's literally been living in a crack house as of late, then it's not too hard to imagine he sold all of his publishing rights long ago for drug money. I would certainly hope not, but drug addicts are famous for their bad judgement, aren't they?. [/QUOTE]that's why they say put the message, not the messenger on the pedestal...
the d@mn human condition... finds folks we love in all types of situations...

Huey P. Freeman

12-05-2003, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by idancetoomuch:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eargasm:
[qb] The biggest influence in a childs life should be their parents. If I were a parent I would not allow my child to listen to most of the "music" being churned out to the masses. Once they got to an age where they could distinguish right from wrong and entertainment from reality I would let them choose what they listened to. People need to be better parents and entertainers need to be more responsible in what they put out there imo.
Originally posted by idancetoomuch:
Eargasm, maybe you should just put them some counter examples and feed them with a lot of different styles of rap, or music.
A rap crew made a great song 2 years ago in france : they used a loop of nigerian drummers and voices of a traditionnal chant. But the lyrics were awfully stupid.
They got a good success whatever the lyrics...

You shouldn't force your kids to listen to your choices, but imo better open their ears to a large audition. They'll make their choices, not yours, and will be able to judge for themselves. Once they got to an age where they could distinguish right from wrong and entertainment from reality I would let them choose what they listened to. There is no way a child should be exposed to "Gangsta" rap.

[ December 05, 2003, 04:32 PM: Message edited by: Eargasm ]

jevon

12-05-2003, 04:28 PM

I as many of you grew up with Hip hop and house. I remeber the coming of gangsta rap and N.W.A.. I was privilaged enough to watch my friends go from copping cases of ant beer they could get their hands on to only drinking Old english 800, I watched slims change to bitches, and guns became a fashion statement(something like a scarf or wallet).Life is hard already I think gangsta rap has made it a little harder.They say they are telling it how it is, IDIOT I ALREADY KNOW IT'S DEMANDING TO BE A BLACK MAN! Give me something to help me make it through the day, I am cognizant of the problem, give me some answers.To top it off most of these guys are not even hard and are selling the stories of somebody else.I personally hate gangstas, scourge to our communities(non shooting mother fuckers, hit everybody except the person they're shooting at. I agree whole heartedly with spike(again)and think as black folk we should say NO! to this kind of behavior.

shannoneileen

12-05-2003, 04:41 PM

Sexism and Misogyny: Who Takes The Rap?
Misogyny, gangsta rap, and The Piano

By bell hooks

http://eserver.org/race/misogyny.html

for those of you who care to check it out... it's a good read...

we cannot divorce ourselves, as black folk, from the culture in which we live... the culture in which we live, is a violent one... it's one thing to say 'this is all gravy... go 'head shoot a n@gga', and quite another to say 'this is some of the bullsh@t that you will be exposed to out in the world, learn it... study it... know that we don't live that way and if you plan to give me grandkids, i suggest you take this sh#t with a grain of salt and move on...'

censoring it won't make it go away...
pretending it doesn't exist does not make it go away...
like preachers kids... the more you try to shelter the kids... the wilder they get cause they think that they are missing something and your old azz just don't know what is 'hip'... lol

we're the older generation now... like it or not we gotta tread lightly and have to try to relate... then put our foot down...

[ December 05, 2003, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: Shannon_Shawan ]