Is it just me.....

[Jamie 3:26]

or are you tired of the bs being shoved down our throats?

I am so pissed that I live in a country that is so hated.I now understand the anti-us sentiment to a certain extent.

It's a damn shame to see so many blindfolded folks supportting this uncalled and unjustly war.

Amerikka has committed som mnay war crimes,yet,we make the threat to Iraq that they will be brought up on charges.

I am tired of the propaganda and bs.I am tired of Amerikka.

I wanna see some of these rich cats who are going to benifit from this on the frontlines.All I see and know who are going over there are Black and Latino brothers and sisters.Yeah,you see Billy Bob and friends on the tv,but I know better.

I do not want to see my friends and family members die for nothing.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
or are you tired of the bs being shoved down our throats?

I am so pissed that I live in a country that is so hated.I now understand the anti-us sentiment to a certain extent.

It's a damn shame to see so many blindfolded folks supportting this uncalled and unjustly war.

Amerikka has committed som mnay war crimes,yet,we make the threat to Iraq that they will be brought up on charges.

I am tired of the propaganda and bs.I am tired of Amerikka.

I wanna see some of these rich cats who are going to benifit from this on the frontlines.All I see and know who are going over there are Black and Latino brothers and sisters.Yeah,you see Billy Bob and friends on the tv,but I know better.

I do not want to see my friends and family members die for nothing. blindfolded about alot of things.....this is sickening...I had to cut the damn t.v. off last night instead of watching him with that caniving smile and manipulating words....it makes me physically sick.....but what do you do?

[MarkK]

I am physically sick too. Emailing all my friends overseas saying 'Sorry'

[Mocambo]

You 2 are not alone. I had a speech class last night and watched the whole briefing. For critique. He is horrible. *in more ways than 1*

[Leslie]

No my brotha, its not just you. I stopped watching US network news 2 days after 9/11 - it began to make me sick, esp. those raving idiots on Fox - I can't subject myself to such garbage.

[JMJ]

There's three k's in Amerikkka, Jamie, not two. Carry on......JMJ :D

[Mocambo]

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[Mocambo]

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[JW]

Jamie I don't think it's just you. To a certain extent, I think its all of us. Problem is, the few that are speaking out publicly are being drowned out. This country was founded on terrorism. If you don't believe me, ask the American Indians (if you can still find any). Didn't they have a system of government? No, but that part of "His Story" has been sweep under the rug. Now we talk about the "Founding Fathers". Whose Fathers? Certainly not the American Indians. It doesn't take a rocket scienist to know (or see) why England and Spain (though not their people) are with us on this. World domination (and superiority has been a part of our history. I feel ya totally! Do you think I feel safe? Hell nah, I leave 7 minutes from the Pentagon.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

I believe we all should channel our hatred, pain, and hurt into something positive. We are all intelligent individuals with the capablity to affect many people's lives in positive ways. We all have the ablity to seek out the truth of what is happening in our world today. Whether or not you feel that it's out of your hands to make a change, be it a large or small change, the power is only within you to make that decision.

It's up to you to make a choice.

Peace

[O'love]

http://www.topica.com/lists/psychohistory/read/message.html?mid=1711891071&sort=d&start=4389

[lola desire]

i shared this on another thread, but you said propaganda so this applies.

last sunday i was watching "this week" with george stephanopoulos. he had an interview with colon powell and then after that there was this guy on. the guy (who i have not YET been able to identify even though i've searched diligently on the internet) was an advisor to the big bush, clinton, and the little bush, until he recently became a consultant for abc news.

anyway, stephanopoulos asks the guy about opportunistic terrorist attacks and who would pose a threat. the dude said definitely al qaida and _____... right at that moment the tv went silent!!!!! my mouth dropped. i was home alone and there was nothing i could do. i was amazed.

there is no longer any doubt in my mind that we are given selective information. anyone who thinks differently is kidding themselves.

[konbit]

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[Leslie]

Sorry if this is a repeat from the recent past but I felt it was within the frame of reference of this thread

Has anyone read Walter Mosely's new book: What Next: A Memoir Toward World Peace?

A friend sent me the following on it:

New Book Examines African-American Attitude Towards War With Iraq
Nancy Beardsley
Washington
Voice of America

A new poll shows that African-Americans are more opposed to a U.S.
war with Iraq than other major ethnic group in the United States. The
Pew Research Center Survey found 44 percent of African Americans
support military action, compared to 73 percent of white Americans
and 67 percent of Hispanics. Best selling African American crime
writer Walter Mosley is among those who question the need for
military action. He recently published a new non-fiction book called
What Next: A Memoir Toward World Peace.

Like other people in the United States, African-Americans have been
listening to President Bush's charge that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein
has weapons of mass destruction, and that he presents an
international threat that justifies going to war.

Walter MosleyWalter Mosley sees at least two important reasons why
African-Americans are likely to oppose an invasion of Iraq. "Why
would we want to support a war against people, when you feel that
number one, in your own country, there are issues facing
African-Americans which are dire and which this war has nothing to do
with," he said. "And of course because there's such a
disproportionate number of people of color in the army, why would we
want to send our own people over there to get killed?"

Walter Mosley invites anyone to read his book, but What Next is
really a call to action for African-Americans. The author has a view
of the World Trade Center from his apartment window, and when the
first plane crashed into the tower on September 11, he heard the
impact. Later he remembered a question he'd once asked his father. "I
asked him were you afraid to go to World War II? And he said, 'No, I
wasn't afraid. I thought it was a war between the Germans and the
Americans. But I didn't realize I was an American. I just thought I
was a Negro. I figured if the Germans came up to me and said where
are the Americans, I'd just point. I'd say the Americans are over
there. But the Germans started shooting at me. That's when I realized
I was an American.' When I saw those planes crash into the World
Trade Center, that's when I realized I was in this conflict with
people in the Middle East and other places. And what was my response?
My father's response, and a million other people of his time, was the
Civil Rights Movement. My response is the inverse of that. There are
people around the world who don't have what I have. They don't have
running water. They don't have food to eat. I have to make sure those
people, mostly people of color, around the world, are treated fairly
and well," he said.

And Walter Mosley believes that's the best way to change the
conditions that breed terrorism. "Once that's done, the question of
terrorism goes out the window," he said. "Nobody's going to support
it. And the idea that we think we have to fight a war, that's not a
winnable battle."

One of the ironies of the current debate is that U.S. Secretary of
State Colin Powell is an African-American who's spoken in favor of
the conflict. "The intelligence case is clear that they have weapons
of mass destruction of one kind or another and they are trying
develop more and develop those they do not yet have an operational
capability for," said secretary Powell.

Condoleeza Rice, President Bush's National Security Advisor, is also
African American and also supports the war. "It is extremely
important that the Iraqi people understand that America has always
stood not just for power and stability but also for values," she
said. "And this is a chance for the Iraqi people to liberate
themselves of oppression, and it is a chance for the region to see an
example of perhaps an Iraq that is on the path to democracy." While
he disagrees with them, Walter Mosley sees the prominence of those
government figures, even their unpopularity in some parts of the
world, as a step forward for Black America. "You realize that the
Pakistanis see Colin Powell not as a black man, but as an American,"
he said. "And so black people also have to see themselves as
Americans. I think George Bush has given more power to black people
in the bodies of Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell than any other
President ever has. And I think the impact over the years will
probably be pretty good for Black America. But if Black America
doesn't stand up for itself, doesn't say what they think is right in
the world, then that power is useless."

Walter Mosley urges black Americans to work for peace grassroots
style, by forming discussion groups on current events, by supporting
public officials who work for peace, maybe even by running for office
themselves. He says African Americans are especially well equipped to
understand the fear and hostility on both sides of the terrorist
divide. "We understand hatred and oppression by external groups whom
we have to learn how to live with," he said. "And what we have to do
as a group of people, is we have to identify the principles of unity
that bring together the African American communities. It used to be
that we had single issues - slavery, apartheid. Now there's all kinds
of different people, rich, middle class, poor black people. We have
black people from Africa, black people from the Caribbean, black
people from America, black people from Europe. All of them see
schisms in each other and there are fights. But I think there's a
spine of political awareness that brings us all together. And that's
what we have to identify."

Walter Mosley is the author of What Next: A Memoir Toward World Peace.

[Jolyon]

All you guys can do is make sure each and every one of you work hard to make sure every person you know is registered to vote and does vote against Baby Bush at the next election.

The so-called "minority" is often the silent majority, I think in this case particularly. Millions of working people, disadvantaged people and people of colour are against this bullshit. Remember how Bush stole the White House, get angry, demonstrate, but most importantly vote and persuade everybody you know to vote next time.

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

Called me a Bible Beater but this is prophecy and what can we do? Love as many people as you can share joy, words of wisdom, reach out and teach our youth and trust & put God, Allah, whomever first in this time of peril. (I know you atheists, agnostics or other non-religious people don't want to hear it. But God is what's true to me) There is no way to get around the possibilities of war. I just have been praying for the safety of our families, friends loved ones and the soldiers fighting the inevitable war.

Why sit back and worry about something you cannot change. Change what you can, get your affairs in order and be grateful for everything that you have. That's all we can do in times like these. So I am not watching the news and buying up supplies because I am living in fear. I am using my time to make a difference and impacting those I can.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
All you guys can do is make sure each and every one of you work hard to make sure every person you know is registered to vote and does vote against Baby Bush at the next election.

The so-called "minority" is often the silent majority, I think in this case particularly. Millions of working people, disadvantaged people and people of colour are against this bullshit. Remember how Bush stole the White House, get angry, demonstrate, but most importantly vote and persuade everybody you know to vote next time. This should definitely be a learning lesson...but I think we knew because African Americans voted last time in record numbers...

[GROOVE VICTIM]

True Ashaki, but that was not the case this past election.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
True Ashaki, but that was not the case this past election. Actually there was a lot of controversy surrounding AA's voting rights...polls closing early...not allowing people to vote...finding voting boxes later.....have people forgotten about this already...

[Austin/Dallas]

We are so tough and bad ass. But it only takes the destruction of one populated McDonalds to close down this country.

[ramar]

we will be marching again this Saturday in London. and the day the bombing starts, tomorrow it seems, there will be worker, student, schoolkid walkouts, civic disobedience and a demonstration outside Parliament.

there was a People's Assembly last week on the 12th March - an assembly of regional representatives to mirror parliament's role (and location - in a building opposite the parliament buildings) and to communicate & exert the moral cause where parliament have failed.

peace
John

[Jolyon]

I wonder if we'll be getting a Bush style 'democracy' in the 'new and free' Iraq. That'd be the kind of democracy that elects a guy President even though he gets less votes than the other guy...er...and even then only 2/10 of the adult population voted for him.

[Koffy Brown]

I just can't conceptualize the whole.

We'll bomb and destroy your country and kill some innocent people, all to get rid of a man who didn't follow through on a business deal he had with my dad, BUT after it's all said and done, we'll help you rebuild, and your country will be bigger and better and just like America, actually we'll run your country and you'll love it... :(

[JUCI_J]

I didn't watch his speech because I don't believe a word he said.I don't believe he is running this country his father is.This is a revenge thing stemming back years ago.He doesn't care about our safety or our well being.I haven't ran out and got supplies and I'm not going to.I put my trust in God and he will decide my faith for me and my family.I wonder how long it took him to write his speech? graemlins/rofl.gif

[mdpm99]

Jamie,

These are difficult times for us all and we are there with you.

Check out (if you haven't the thread "Bush Speech"
and then MM letter to him. Great thread.

Bu$hit has to be the worst president ever in the history of this country.

Jamie, I have this question: I wonder if Bu$h listens to music. My feeling is he is not a music person.

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[djmarbll]

Originally posted by JUCI_J:
I didn't watch his speech because I don't believe a word he said.I don't believe he is running this country his father is.This is a revenge thing stemming back years ago.He doesn't care about our safety or our well being.I haven't ran out and got supplies and I'm not going to.I put my trust in God and he will decide my faith for me and my family.I wonder how long it took him to write his speech? graemlins/rofl.gif Bush doesn't write his speeches. He just reads what the speechwriter wrote, often incorrectly ("nucular" is NOT a word).

[Jolyon]

Do you know what David, I had never thought about that re: Bu$h listening to music. I can't imagine him listening to music at all.

I think Bu$h could do with a few glasses of old style Loft punch and sitting down listening to Marvin Gaye's What's Going On and some Pink Floyd to chill him out!

In saying that, our Prime Minister Blair is a big music fan and he's still up for this stupid war (although I think for slightly more honourable reasons, still no excuse).

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
Do you know what David, I had never thought about that re: Bu$h listening to music. I can't imagine him listening to music at all.

I think Bu$h could do with a few glasses of old style Loft punch and sitting down listening to Marvin Gaye's What's Going On and some Pink Floyd to chill him out!

In saying that, our Prime Minister Blair is a big music fan and he's still up for this stupid war (although I think for slightly more honourable reasons, still no excuse). smile.gif

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