soul nation last night

[Clarkeecat]

anyone else see this before they went to bed?
For the US etc peeps, it was a documentary (3 part) about the growth of US soul in the UK, Trevor Nelson (R'n'B jock) looking at the different ways we Brits chose to dance to the music. This week was Northern and southern soul...
Some good footage of both Wigan and the Caister weekenders (I'd never seen video of the southern thing before, looks like it was mental). Norman Jay made a good point about not being able to get into the Lacey Lady (?) and not experiencing that up in Wigan.
I'm looking forward to the second one next week.
anyone?

Matthew

[Martin Red]

graemlins/thumbsup.gif


Pointed out that Northern was about older music, southern soul was about newer stuff. Some great dancing and it was interesting to see northeners using baby powder 30 odd years ago. Fantastic dancing, Caister soul weekender although it did turn a bit Club 18 - 30


IT WAS POINTED OUT HEAVILY AT THE END THAT: -

*THE NORTHERN SOUL THING WAS WORKING CLASS ! graemlins/cool_shades.gif

*THE SOUTHERN SOUL THING WAS ALSO WORKING CLASS. graemlins/cool_shades.gif

*NEXT WEEK IT TALKS OF THATCHERS ****ED UP BRITAIN AND HOW THE MIDDLE/UPPER CLASSES- YUPPIES GOT INVOLVED IN THE MUSIC. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[ June 18, 2003, 02:06 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[Martin Red]

http://www.channel4.co.uk/media/culture/S/soul_nation/soulnation196x260.jpg

Soul Nation


You Know You Got Soul

In this three-part series, DJ Trevor Nelson takes us on a personal journey, mining his own past as well as 50 years of underground culture, to present his take on how Soul has influenced Britain, and how Britain has in turn contributed to the history of R&B.

In the first programme, Trevor explores how Britain first fell in love with R&B - much to the dismay of the authorities - and how white kids fought to keep it alive through the 70s Northern Soul scene.

But it was in London that British soul was truly born. Trevor meets many of the stars from this unique and exciting time – Hi-Tension, India Irie, Norman Jay and Imagination’s Lee John, the people who helped create a new era in British music.

Programme two describes Jazz Funk and the Southern Soul underground, a scene that produced the first wave of UK soul stars in the early 80s and the warehouse stars (most notably Soul II Soul) at the end of the decade.

Trevor talks to pivotal figures such as Jazzy B, Robert Elms, Mick Hucknall and Pete Waterman – and reflects on how an illegal network of pirate radio stations and warehouse parties was responsible for keeping black music alive in Britain until its eventual crossover ten years ago.

In the final programme, Trevor charts British Soul’s move to dominate the mainstream in the 1990s: the new record labels, the first million pound contracts, the false dawn of Nu Soul, the rebirth of pirate radio and British R&B’s emerging identity as UK Garage.

In conversation with stars such as Ms Dynamite, Craig David and So Solid Crew he explores how, thanks to the dance revolution of the last 15 years, British urban music is now the sound of multicultural Britain made flesh.

http://www.channel4.co.uk/culture/microsites/S/soul_nation/index.html


* SIDE NOTE * **** UK GARAGE MISS DYNAMITE AND ALL THAT OTHER RUBBISH NELSON IS PUSHED TO PROMOTE - ****ING SHIT TREVOR SHIT I TELL U.

[ June 18, 2003, 02:15 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[Jolyon]

I really enjoyed it - some good archive and some good interviews. Top stuff.

[blackwax]

good show my wife was jumping all over the place saying i've been there to almost every shot!!

she is an old soul girl and still dances all night to this day

caister = club 18-30 with good music lol

wonder if they will show southport weekender in the next one

jolyon did you get my email?

[ June 18, 2003, 03:31 AM: Message edited by: blackwax ]

[martin]

Good stuff. graemlins/thumbsup.gif Respect to Trevor Nelson.

[Jolyon]

Originally posted by blackwax:
good show my wife was jumping all over the place saying i've been there to almost every shot!!

she is an old soul girl and still dances all night to this day

caister = club 18-30 with good music lol

wonder if they will show southport weekender in the next one

jolyon did you get my email? Check your pms...

[KMcS]

Good show, hope the rest of the shows are just as good. Some real freaky dancin' on display, magic :D

[Mark Gurney]

I found it quite disappointing, they should of had someone like Bob Jones or Dave Godin presenting it, no disrespect to Trevor Nelson (he sorted me out a few times when Red Records first opened) but he wasn't at Wigan and appears to not have the same passion for the northern scene, and why wasn't Blackpool Mecca mentioned ?
The programme should of focused more on the music than drugs & shagging (fairly amusing though) and sorry Imagination ? please no.
I enjoyed the often seen clips of Wigan again, Keb's input, Hi-Tension & the dancers at the Goldmine (Chris Hill was a legend, I would of loved to of seen a clip of the formation dancing to El CoCo 'Lets Get It Together') but the rest of it was very so so.
Another thing, I think racism is a very important issue to discuss but Norman Jay always brings it up on documentries about soul music, he did a similar thing on Eddie Pillar's documentry. I understand where you are coming from Norman but I wish you would tell us more about the records from back in the day.

[Jolyon]

Originally posted by Mark Gurney:
I found it quite disappointing, they should of had someone like Bob Jones or Dave Godin presenting it, no disrespect to Trevor Nelson (he sorted me out a few times when Red Records first opened) but he wasn't at Wigan and appears to not have the same passion for the northern scene, and why wasn't Blackpool Mecca mentioned ?
The programme should of focused more on the music than drugs & shagging (fairly amusing though) and sorry Imagination ? please no.
I enjoyed the often seen clips of Wigan again, Keb's input, Hi-Tension & the dancers at the Goldmine (Chris Hill was a legend, I would of loved to of seen a clip of the formation dancing to El CoCo 'Lets Get It Together') but the rest of it was very so so.
Another thing, I think racism is a very important issue to discuss but Norman Jay always brings it up on documentries about soul music, he did a similar thing on Eddie Pillar's documentry. I understand where you are coming from Norman but I wish you would tell us more about the records from back in the day. Fair points.

One thing I would say, as someone who has worked in TV, the programme would not have been commissioned if Bob Jones or whoever was put forward as a presenter. That's just the way it works in TV-land...Trevor Nelson is an established presenter and he'll have been part of the whole package.

The series isn't being billed as the defining documentary on soul music in the UK - more as 'Trevor Nelson takes a look at the history of soul music in Britain' - which I think is fine. You have to remember that these programmes aren't made to satisfy spotters and fans like us - they also have to appeal to a broader viewing public, who maybe don't know so much about the subject but would like to find out.

[Mark Gurney]

I here what you are saying, thats most probably why future episodes have Robert Elms (I know he likes his soul, but wasn't he part of the new romantic movement), Mick Hucknall & Pete Waterman (Ok, they were soul punters but why go the celebrity route, why not ask those involved Searling, Curtis, Vincent etc.

[Mark Gurney]

I here what you are saying, thats most probably why future episodes have Robert Elms (I know he likes his soul, but wasn't he part of the new romantic movement), Mick Hucknall & Pete Waterman (Ok, they were soul punters but why go the celebrity route, why not ask those involved Searling, Curtis, Vincent etc.

[blackwax]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mark Gurney:
I found it quite disappointing, they should of had someone like Bob Jones or Dave Godin presenting it, no disrespect to Trevor Nelson (he sorted me out a few times when Red Records first opened) but he wasn't at Wigan and appears to not have the same passion for the northern scene, and why wasn't Blackpool Mecca mentioned ?
The programme should of focused more on the music than drugs & shagging (fairly amusing though) and sorry Imagination ? please no.
I enjoyed the often seen clips of Wigan again, Keb's input, Hi-Tension & the dancers at the Goldmine (Chris Hill was a legend, I would of loved to of seen a clip of the formation dancing to El CoCo 'Lets Get It Together') but the rest of it was very so so.
Another thing, I think racism is a very important issue to discuss but Norman Jay always brings it up on documentries about soul music, he did a similar thing on Eddie Pillar's documentry. I understand where you are coming from Norman but I wish you would tell us more about the records from back in the day. Fair points.

One thing I would say, as someone who has worked in TV, the programme would not have been commissioned if Bob Jones or whoever was put forward as a presenter. That's just the way it works in TV-land...Trevor Nelson is an established presenter and he'll have been part of the whole package.

The series isn't being billed as the defining documentary on soul music in the UK - more as 'Trevor Nelson takes a look at the history of soul music in Britain' - which I think is fine. You have to remember that these programmes aren't made to satisfy spotters and fans like us - they also have to appeal to a broader viewing public, who maybe don't know so much about the subject but would like to find out. </font>[/QUOTE]Hopefully Bob Jones will get a mention in one of the other parts to the scene he has been involved in the soulful scene for 35 years now and is still often overlooked in this type of documentry
Jolyon you are correct about tv land trevor obviously had no 1st hand knowledge of the northern scene but he is the only one they would have chosen for the job shame realy because there are many more people that had much more experience and passion for the music and clubs in those times
is the rare groove scene gonna be covered in the next one Hope so