Privacy of life... need your advice [Archive]

DJ76

10-22-2003, 02:04 AM

I’m in a delicate situation right now and I need you people’s advice.

I work with one of the legal assistants on our team, she is a great girl, about my age, gorgeous, smart, blah blah blah.

As I kept on going from one city to the other in the past few weeks, I ended up staying at her place for some time. While I was at her place one day, I saw her passport lying around and I thought I’d just flip through it to see which countries she’s been, etc. To my surprise, I find out a “Gatwick” stamp (one of London’s airport) on a day she told us (the whole team) she was going to Brussels to visit a friend.

I find this very suspicious. Let me add that she is engaged... which adds more to my suspicion. Now I’m supposed to work with her for at least the next two years and am having this problem of trust.

What would you do? Would you take it up with her? I’m not sure whether I was supposed to look at her passport to start with, although I didn’t think it was a biggie when other people flip through mine... it’s not like if there was any big secrets in there.... yet perhaps I did discover one in hers.... What to do?

FranG

10-22-2003, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by DJ76:
I’m in a delicate situation right now and I need you people’s advice.

I work with one of the legal assistants on our team, she is a great girl, about my age, gorgeous, smart, blah blah blah.

As I kept on going from one city to the other in the past few weeks, I ended up staying at her place for some time. While I was at her place one day, I saw her passport lying around and I thought I’d just flip through it to see which countries she’s been, etc. To my surprise, I find out a “Gatwick” stamp (one of London’s airport) on a day she told us (the whole team) she was going to Brussels to visit a friend.

I find this very suspicious. Let me add that she is engaged... which adds more to my suspicion. Now I’m supposed to work with her for at least the next two years and am having this problem of trust.

What would you do? Would you take it up with her? I’m not sure whether I was supposed to look at her passport to start with, although I didn’t think it was a biggie when other people flip through mine... it’s not like if there was any big secrets in there.... yet perhaps I did discover one in hers.... What to do? If I were you I'd keep quiet. If you hadn't been looking through her passport you wouldn't know. If there is a reasonable explaination then you're gonna look like a snoop.

DJ76

10-22-2003, 03:09 AM

FranG. Yes, you are right. By now, I have decided to wait and see. We still didn't get the chance to talk about her week-end in Brussels ;) Perhaps something will come up during our conversation. "Suspicious, what are we gonna do, if you don't trust me, and I don't trust you..."

Shalewa

10-22-2003, 06:37 AM

Unless you are her fiance and she told you Brussels and hit London, I don't see where anyone but you has really compromised any trust. She opened her home to you and you casually invaded her privacy and jumped to conclusions that her not telling you ALL of her business is somehow, "suspicious". Check yourself, not her.

JMJ

10-22-2003, 06:41 AM

Leave it alone......JMJ

Bold Soul

10-22-2003, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by Shalewa:
Unless you are her fiance and she told you Brussels and hit London, I don't see where anyone but you has really compromised any trust. She opened her home to you and you casually invaded her privacy and jumped to conclusions that her not telling you ALL of her business is somehow, "suspicious". Check yourself, not her. Might I add that the only trust violations here are yours, and that you should really consider why on earth you would project your own personal issues on professional situations.

Unless the work you do together is INTERNATIONAL ESPIONAGE, your ideas of a trusting professional relationship are seriously off-kilter.

Are you projecting an attraction for her on your work relationship?

Leslie

10-22-2003, 07:10 AM

Wrong on your part not hers. But now we all know we can't trust you in our homes ;) .
Seriously, you did not have the right to snoop through her personal belongings and your issue of trust is misplaced on her and should be attributed to you cause deep down you know you were wrong.

mhd

10-22-2003, 07:53 AM

what sort of panties does she prefer? what's her hiv status? is she on any anti-depressants or other interesting medications?

Brut by Faberge

10-22-2003, 07:57 AM

maybe she flew in there and got to Brussels some other fancy way...maybe she has 2 passports. graemlins/conf44.gif

i any case...be careful. the onus will be on you, initially, should you bring this out in the open.

MarkK

10-22-2003, 08:00 AM

You are one sick person!

BTW, she may have transferred via Gatwick on her way to Brussels.

Mhd, like you questions. I am sure he knows the answer.

MYOR

10-22-2003, 08:06 AM

The fact of the matter is that she could have been there for an affair with a gorgous guy.. It has nothing to do w/work, so why should she tell you?

BTW, It seems you are jealous.. Maybe you might want to re-think exactly why you are having trust issues??

lyot

10-22-2003, 08:20 AM

hey Alex !

next time she says she's coming to Brussels, let me know ..I'll cover her ass and give you all the details you gotta know.. ;)

hope you're well bro!

ps : lemme know when there's a good party in Holland.. I gotta car for a couple of weeks, and I would be happy to make the journey to The Hague or Amsterdam..

Martin Red

10-22-2003, 08:29 AM

If she was claiming for a business trip and it was coming out of your budget fair enough.

P.S: - if your in Holland still, whether she is flew to heathrow, malpensa, paris, barcelona, brussels, Munich...... (euro coutries), your passport DOES NOT get a stamp nowadays.

All the best mate

And

10-22-2003, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by DJ76:
I’m in a delicate situation right now and I need you people’s advice.

I work with one of the legal assistants on our team, she is a great girl, about my age, gorgeous, smart, blah blah blah.

As I kept on going from one city to the other in the past few weeks, I ended up staying at her place for some time. While I was at her place one day, I saw her passport lying around and I thought I’d just flip through it to see which countries she’s been, etc. To my surprise, I find out a “Gatwick” stamp (one of London’s airport) on a day she told us (the whole team) she was going to Brussels to visit a friend.

I find this very suspicious. Let me add that she is engaged... which adds more to my suspicion. Now I’m supposed to work with her for at least the next two years and am having this problem of trust.

What would you do? Would you take it up with her? I’m not sure whether I was supposed to look at her passport to start with, although I didn’t think it was a biggie when other people flip through mine... it’s not like if there was any big secrets in there.... yet perhaps I did discover one in hers.... What to do? For the most part Shalewa and Danny have expressed the same thoughts I have about this one. I am still confused as to why you're suspicious of her.

TAC

10-22-2003, 08:51 AM

"Fruit of the poisonous tree!"

You were wrong from jump, so everything that flows from there on is wrong.

Remind me never to invite you to my home.

lyot

10-22-2003, 08:59 AM

i do not think it's that wrong to look in someone's passport when at their home.. But, even if it would be morally wrong (which I think it is not) , I understand your problem of thrust.. She lied to you and the team and you need to work with her..Probably sometimes on very delicate affairs that do need a lot of thrust..

I would not bring it up to her yet though..Wait some more time.. smile.gif

Bill Blake

10-22-2003, 09:02 AM

Your a nosey piece of shit.

What the **** she does with her passport, her pussy and her travel is HER ****ing business.

And your asking what to do and trusting her? You’re the one going trough other peoples shit. The one not to trust is obviously you.

Howa bout slitting your wrists?

Martin Red

10-22-2003, 09:02 AM

You can look at my passport pic don't don't take the piss out of my curly wurly hair.

I take it this person you speak of isn't from an EU country (as my previous mentioned) , that is the only way her passport would be stamped, i've been quite a few places in europe and as I am EU - No stamp on passport.

Red D

10-22-2003, 09:07 AM

Aren't we all soooo quick to judge on the DHP...

Have any of you never spent the night and casually flipped through a passport, pictures or something that was lying around?

DJ76 isn't part of the mossad you know!

:rolleyes:

RD

Bold Soul

10-22-2003, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by Red D:
Aren't we all soooo quick to judge on the DHP...

Have any of you never spent the night and casually flipped through a passport, pictures or something that was lying around?

DJ76 isn't part of the mossad you know!

:rolleyes:

RD Asking this question, you might discover that rummaging through another's confidentials IS NOT such a common thing. Is this pastimes of the KGB or something?

This is why I teach my daughters to be man-smart. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

lyot

10-22-2003, 09:36 AM

lyot

10-22-2003, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Red D:
Aren't we all soooo quick to judge on the DHP...

Have any of you never spent the night and casually flipped through a passport, pictures or something that was lying around?

DJ76 isn't part of the mossad you know!

:rolleyes:

RD Asking this question, you might discover that rummaging through another's confidentials IS NOT such a common thing. Is this pastimes of the KGB or something?

This is why I teach my daughters to be man-smart. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif [/QUOTE]I would have no problem with it when people would have a look at my passport while being at my place..

lola desire

10-22-2003, 10:05 AM

word to shalewa and others for their comments along the same lines.

dude. leave anything outside-the-office outside the office. just because she was nice and let you stay with her for a second doesn't mean you've got free access to her personal life. not only that, but europe is a much smaller spot than the america. the distance between london and brussels is relatively short. it is not uncommon to hop between spots. also passports are NOT chronological; at some point the dude/dudette at the check point/consulate is just looking for a clean page, so the belgium stamp could have been 6 pages away from the page you snooped.

if it's her commitment to the job (or projects you work on together) you're concerned about, you gotta let that go too. people have every right to do what they want to do; people have every right to flake out/make power moves if and when the choose to. if you want to encourage her to stay on and be committed to the job/projects, all YOU can or should do about it is make her experience with your organization a positive one.

in the end: mind ya bizness

[ October 22, 2003, 11:06 AM: Message edited by: lola desire ]

the crackhouse

10-22-2003, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by DJ76:
I’m in a delicate situation right now and I need you people’s advice.

I work with one of the legal assistants on our team, she is a great girl, about my age, gorgeous, smart, blah blah blah.

As I kept on going from one city to the other in the past few weeks, I ended up staying at her place for some time. While I was at her place one day, I saw her passport lying around and I thought I’d just flip through it to see which countries she’s been, etc. To my surprise, I find out a “Gatwick” stamp (one of London’s airport) on a day she told us (the whole team) she was going to Brussels to visit a friend.

I find this very suspicious. Let me add that she is engaged... which adds more to my suspicion. Now I’m supposed to work with her for at least the next two years and am having this problem of trust.

What would you do? Would you take it up with her? I’m not sure whether I was supposed to look at her passport to start with, although I didn’t think it was a biggie when other people flip through mine... it’s not like if there was any big secrets in there.... yet perhaps I did discover one in hers.... What to do? Curiosity killed the cat.
If people lie, they have their reasons to do so, keep this secret for you and use it only if you need to defend yourself from some other lies.
Truth remains the best thing to follow in any life occasions.

DLow

10-22-2003, 11:07 AM

Let it go...you can't talk about trust when you flipped through her passport.

mhd

10-22-2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Derrick:
Let it go...you can't talk about trust when you flipped through her passport. \
bingo

DJ76

10-22-2003, 12:20 PM

The plot thickens folks.

First let me thank all of you for replying because this issue has been eating me for the whole day.

To answer some of the questions, she flipped through mine, we had spent two days driving in the car through Europe and I gave her my passeport to hand it to the customs when we arrived in Slovenia, that was two weeks ago... She flipped through mine to see where I had been, etc. I didn’t think it would be wrong to look in hers. Perhaps I should have done it in her presence.

Second, she is not only a work assistant but has become a good friend.

Jealous? No. Her fiancé is also a good friend and I know she hasn’t told him about a previous trip also (which she told me about), but this time she’s hiding it from me, and since it concerns me now, it annoys me.

Yes you are right, I might have done something wrong and you might not want me to come over to your house, but I never thought I’d discover a secret by looking in the damn thing in the first place.

Now I’m burning even more: see the stamp show 17 oct (gatwick)... I asked her today how was Brussels and how she went... she never mentionned London... it bothers me that she’s hiding this from me and one person spoke about a hot lover, hey all is possible.

I don’t feel guilty looking in her passeport, just that I did it while she wasn’t there.... I’ll try again soon in her presence ;) Peace y’all.
Many thanks to all those that jumped the gun and expected the worst out of me. But you know what I'm doing wrong right now?, Im expecting the worst out of her, that's where it hurts.

TAC

10-22-2003, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by DJ76:
The plot thickens folks.

First let me thank all of you for replying because this issue has been eating me for the whole day.

To answer some of the questions, she flipped through mine, we had spent two days driving in the car through Europe and I gave her my passeport to hand it to the customs when we arrived in Slovenia, that was two weeks ago... She flipped through mine to see where I had been, etc. I didn’t think it would be wrong to look in hers. Perhaps I should have done it in her presence.

Second, she is not only a work assistant but has become a good friend.

Jealous? No. Her fiancé is also a good friend and I know she hasn’t told him about a previous trip also (which she told me about), but this time she’s hiding it from me, and since it concerns me now, it annoys me.

Yes you are right, I might have done something wrong and you might not want me to come over to your house, but I never thought I’d discover a secret by looking in the damn thing in the first place.

Now I’m burning even more: see the stamp show 17 oct (gatwick)... I asked her today how was Brussels and how she went... she never mentionned London... it bothers me that she’s hiding this from me and one person spoke about a hot lover, hey all is possible.

I don’t feel guilty looking in her passeport, just that I did it while she wasn’t there.... I’ll try again soon in her presence ;) Peace y’all.
Many thanks to all those that jumped the gun and expected the worst out of me. But you know what I'm doing wrong right now?, Im expecting the worst out of her, that's where it hurts. Man, who cares about life's drama's. I got my own pot of sh*t to stir!!!

Truth is your getting yourself mixed up in some one else's drama. As some one here said, let it go...

MYOR

10-22-2003, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by DJ76:
The plot thickens folks.

First let me thank all of you for replying because this issue has been eating me for the whole day.

To answer some of the questions, she flipped through mine, we had spent two days driving in the car through Europe and I gave her my passeport to hand it to the customs when we arrived in Slovenia, that was two weeks ago... She flipped through mine to see where I had been, etc. I didn’t think it would be wrong to look in hers. Perhaps I should have done it in her presence.

Second, she is not only a work assistant but has become a good friend.

Jealous? No. Her fiancé is also a good friend and I know she hasn’t told him about a previous trip also (which she told me about), but this time she’s hiding it from me, and since it concerns me now, it annoys me.

Yes you are right, I might have done something wrong and you might not want me to come over to your house, but I never thought I’d discover a secret by looking in the damn thing in the first place.

Now I’m burning even more: see the stamp show 17 oct (gatwick)... I asked her today how was Brussels and how she went... she never mentionned London... it bothers me that she’s hiding this from me and one person spoke about a hot lover, hey all is possible.

I don’t feel guilty looking in her passeport, just that I did it while she wasn’t there.... I’ll try again soon in her presence ;) Peace y’all.
Many thanks to all those that jumped the gun and expected the worst out of me. But you know what I'm doing wrong right now?, Im expecting the worst out of her, that's where it hurts. I think jealousy from my part was not the right emotion.. But imo, from what you saying, you might like this girl more than just a friend or co-worker...Regardless if she is engaged and you are friends w/her fiance.. And you are tranfering it to work related issue.. graemlins/conf44.gif

DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)

10-22-2003, 04:17 PM

Agass,...iraven......... az DHP kake-re!

Eradzet kitchm dzourer.

Venas chouni paytz

Aghchike poz-e!!! (LOL)

Tzeke lan ....tzeke!!!

How's that new Moodymann BTW??

Do you think i'll trip to it?

[ October 22, 2003, 09:58 PM: Message edited by: DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister ]

lyot

10-23-2003, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
Agass,...iraven......... az DHP kake-re!

Eradzet kitchm dzourer.

Venas chouni paytz

Aghchike poz-e!!! (LOL)

Tzeke lan ....tzeke!!!

How's that new Moodymann BTW??

Do you think i'll trip to it? it's good to have Armenian interpreters in my work environment...

be cautious Alex ! But keep us posted.. :D

DJ76

10-23-2003, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by lyot:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
Agass,...iraven......... az DHP kake-re!

Eradzet kitchm dzourer.

Venas chouni paytz

Aghchike poz-e!!! (LOL)

Tzeke lan ....tzeke!!!

How's that new Moodymann BTW??

Do you think i'll trip to it? it's good to have Armenian interpreters in my work environment...

be cautious Alex ! But keep us posted.. :D [/QUOTE]ahahahahahhahahahahhahaha LMAO!!! graemlins/rofl.gif

Ya, it's a messed up situation since I know her fiancé, yet I'm friends with her first and foremost.

I knew someone who was in a situation where he had a lady friend, she had a man; one night my friend and this man go out to a bar, next thing you know my buddy catches the man with another girl... what do you do? The girl is your friend for 15 years, yet you also got acquainted with the guy... I'm curious to know what you think, I'll let you know what happened and what my friend did.

Coming back to my situation, the first reaction people will have is to say that what I did was wrong. Nobody will get a medal for that, it's the obvious thing to say and I knew it even before posting; I was asking for an advice, but people thought they needed to play "moral" with me. That's not what I asked for. Never mind.

MYOR, your assessment isn't totally wrong (re: feelings for her), you read correctly; with the nuance that your observation would've probably applied perfectly say, about a year ago when I first met her, etc... but our relation developped in a friendly relationship, like Joey once told Ross in "Friends", I'm the mayor of the friend-zone. But yes, I did once have feelings for her, but (1) work colleague, not a good idea, but mostly (2) engaged! Let's just say I closed that door very quickly.

DJ76

10-23-2003, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
Agass,...iraven......... az DHP kake-re!

Eradzet kitchm dzourer.

Venas chouni paytz

Aghchike poz-e!!! (LOL)

Tzeke lan ....tzeke!!!

How's that new Moodymann BTW??

Do you think i'll trip to it? Agass, eradzess adtchap al dzour cher yaneh! Babam, yeghadze miyayn kakiss passporre nayetsah, gardzess teh mayreh kounerem; eradzess tcheradzess patserem passporre yev tiderem! Inch kidnam teh ir amen kakerre bidi eller!!! Ha ha.

Vessdah chem yeteh poze-eh... payts koogin experience-et gue tsetseneh vor nooynisk so-called makoor aghtchignereh "vosgor" ounin irents baharanin mech!

By the way, what moodymann? I'm lost in the middle of Sarajevo, everyone is moody here! graemlins/rofl.gif Although I found out that Charles Webster is playing here on Friday... Immo be there.

DJ76

10-23-2003, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by Martin Red:
You can look at my passport pic don't don't take the piss out of my curly wurly hair.

I take it this person you speak of isn't from an EU country (as my previous mentioned) , that is the only way her passport would be stamped, i've been quite a few places in europe and as I am EU - No stamp on passport. stamped brother, stamped! Gatwick in big bright letters. :D

Martin Red

10-23-2003, 02:30 AM

smile.gif

She may be a spy in the house of love. Me, Being PC (polite Cunt) I would have to ask.

is she Canadian ?
if so buy her some ice skates and get her drunk on Molson, then you can take her for indirect flight on your love jet.
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/mwink.gif

[ October 23, 2003, 03:31 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

Red D

10-23-2003, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by DJ76:

I was asking for an advice, but people thought they needed to play "moral" with me. That's not what I asked for. Never mind.

Most people here play more moral than house...

RD

5haus

10-23-2003, 04:01 AM

to don't trust someone anymore because s/he hasn't told you the truth in a matter not directly concerning you is pretty whack

being friends means that you trust her even though you don't know all the details.

trust in itself means that you have a lack of knowledge of the facts and therefore have to trust

on the other hand let the bigotted brigade of frogs quack in unisono as frogs do

loosing trust in you because you flip through my passport, wtf

a passport is no big deal in europe, almost anyone has one, not like in the states..

Martin Red

10-23-2003, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by Red D:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:

I was asking for an advice, but people thought they needed to play "moral" with me. That's not what I asked for. Never mind.

Most people here play more moral than house...

RD [/QUOTE]Yeah man, have you heard the immoral remix of moral, pretty damn bad (bad meaning good.. there it is). There a white lie re-edit of moral as well, that's not that bad though :D

Shalewa

10-23-2003, 07:26 AM

You are wholly missing the point. You seem to think you have a right to deeply insert yourself into this woman's life. You do not respect the "privacy of [her] life." If she does not want you to know where she went or who she is with, that is her choice, not your business. If she is seeing people other than her fiance, again her choice, not your business. Many people have been placed in the uncomfortable position of KNOWING for a fact that there is infidelity on one side of a couple that they are friends with. You know no such thing. And if you had irrefutable proof? It probably is still not your business, but if your busy-body impulse was too damn overwhelming, tell her that you see what's going on and as a friend if you can see it, he probably can too. You do know that wherever she was and whatever she was doing involves a confidence that she has chosen not to TRUST you with- based on your behavior and myopia, she is a wise woman. You do not know that she has not shared the fullness of her travel plans with her fiance, because that is their business, not yours.

MYOR

10-23-2003, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by DJ76:

MYOR, your assessment isn't totally wrong (re: feelings for her), you read correctly; with the nuance that your observation would've probably applied perfectly say, about a year ago when I first met her, etc... but our relation developped in a friendly relationship, like Joey once told Ross in "Friends", I'm the mayor of the friend-zone. But yes, I did once have feelings for her, but (1) work colleague, not a good idea, but mostly (2) engaged! Let's just say I closed that door very quickly. IMO,its simply that you are hurt that she didn't trust you enough to tell you this time where she was going.. Since she confided in you when she didn't even confide in her fiance.. "I know she hasn’t told him about a previous trip also (which she told me about), but this time she’s hiding it from me, and since it concerns me now, it annoys me."

Exactly how does this concern you now??? I'm still not seeing that...

Just keep in mind even the BEST of FRIENDS, Keep things from each other. ;)

BTW, its a biatch to like someone you CAN'T or WON'T have.. even if your the "mayor of the friend-zone" I know this ALL too well graemlins/mecry.gif

lyot

10-23-2003, 08:40 AM

DJ76

10-23-2003, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by Shalewa:
based on your behavior and myopia, she is a wise woman. I know you didn't use the word myopia based on my handicap, but I still find that strong worded.

Secondly, the wise woman that she is has already told me about a little secret excursion of hers in the past... the only thing I can see now is that my friendship with her fiancé might have given her a reason to hide this from me.

Finally, and this is something I wish to stress about, I was not looking for dirt. Never would've I thought that I'd find find such a thing in her passport. The information came to me, rather than me looking for it. Yes yes, whether the intention was innocent or not, I looked in it... Looking in a passport didn't seem like a big deal to me as we are very open with each other. My concern was and is not on whether what I did was wrong or right, but what I should do about what I found out.

Shalewa, I fully understand you might not think too highly of me, and that's fine. I said it before, and I'll repeat, I didn't post this to get a judgment on my behaviour (although I was expecting to get this kind of reply, when you open yourself to discussion, you are bound to receive all sorts of reaction).

The ultimate punishment for me is to live, right now and perhaps for a long time, with something that I can't talk about... perhaps, she will come forward and tell me. Time will tell.

[ October 23, 2003, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: DJ76 ]

DJ76

10-23-2003, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
IMO,its simply that you are hurt that she didn't trust you enough to tell you this time where she was going.. Since she confided in you when she didn't even confide in her fiance.. "I know she hasn’t told him about a previous trip also (which she told me about), but this time she’s hiding it from me, and since it concerns me now, it annoys me."

Exactly how does this concern you now??? I'm still not seeing that...

Just keep in mind even the BEST of FRIENDS, Keep things from each other. ;)

BTW, its a biatch to like someone you CAN'T or WON'T have.. even if your the "mayor of the friend-zone" I know this ALL too well graemlins/mecry.gif To answer your question on "how it concerns me", well, might be paranoia, I don't know; I guess it's always reconforting to know that a friend tells you things, and yes you're right, even best of friends keep things from each other. To be honest, what I discovered shocked me more than the fact that she didn't tell me. My first impression was "whaaaat? can't believe I'm seeing this!", then came the "why did she tell me she was going somewhere else?".

MYOR, thanks for you kind words and understanding. smile.gif

DJ76

10-23-2003, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by Red D:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:

I was asking for an advice, but people thought they needed to play "moral" with me. That's not what I asked for. Never mind.

Most people here play more moral than house...

RD [/QUOTE]moral house, a new genre, brought to you by the Dalai Lama.

MYOR

10-23-2003, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
IMO,its simply that you are hurt that she didn't trust you enough to tell you this time where she was going.. Since she confided in you when she didn't even confide in her fiance.. "I know she hasn’t told him about a previous trip also (which she told me about), but this time she’s hiding it from me, and since it concerns me now, it annoys me."

Exactly how does this concern you now??? I'm still not seeing that...

Just keep in mind even the BEST of FRIENDS, Keep things from each other. ;)

BTW, its a biatch to like someone you CAN'T or WON'T have.. even if your the "mayor of the friend-zone" I know this ALL too well graemlins/mecry.gif To answer your question on "how it concerns me", well, might be paranoia, I don't know; I guess it's always reconforting to know that a friend tells you things, and yes you're right, even best of friends keep things from each other. To be honest, what I discovered shocked me more than the fact that she didn't tell me. My first impression was "whaaaat? can't believe I'm seeing this!", then came the "why did she tell me she was going somewhere else?".

MYOR, thanks for you kind words and understanding. smile.gif [/QUOTE]Hey you looked at the girl passport NO BIG DEAL.. Now if you were sniffing thru her panties.. You got a problem ;) graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Hello Kitty

10-23-2003, 12:51 PM

No you didn't! hahaha!

icon_rofl.gif

DJ76

10-23-2003, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
IMO,its simply that you are hurt that she didn't trust you enough to tell you this time where she was going.. Since she confided in you when she didn't even confide in her fiance.. "I know she hasn’t told him about a previous trip also (which she told me about), but this time she’s hiding it from me, and since it concerns me now, it annoys me."

Exactly how does this concern you now??? I'm still not seeing that...

Just keep in mind even the BEST of FRIENDS, Keep things from each other. ;)

BTW, its a biatch to like someone you CAN'T or WON'T have.. even if your the "mayor of the friend-zone" I know this ALL too well graemlins/mecry.gif To answer your question on "how it concerns me", well, might be paranoia, I don't know; I guess it's always reconforting to know that a friend tells you things, and yes you're right, even best of friends keep things from each other. To be honest, what I discovered shocked me more than the fact that she didn't tell me. My first impression was "whaaaat? can't believe I'm seeing this!", then came the "why did she tell me she was going somewhere else?".

MYOR, thanks for you kind words and understanding. smile.gif [/QUOTE]Hey you looked at the girl passport NO BIG DEAL.. Now if you were sniffing thru her panties.. You got a problem ;) graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif [/QUOTE]Nah, I'm a good guest in general, I cook for her, I clean, hell I'm Tony Danza... She likes to have me over graemlins/rofl.gif It has been weird for the past two days to see her non stop at work and at home, and to think about all this. We kinda got tipsy over a few beers last night, and I felt like asking her straight, but something held me back. Sometimes you have this image of someone and a little incident can change it... one must learn to move away from an image and see someone as a simple person, cause that's what we are after all.

TAC

10-23-2003, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by DJ76:
[snip...]what I should do about what I found out.Mind your own freaking business. That's what you should do.

Jamie 3:26

10-23-2003, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
IMO,its simply that you are hurt that she didn't trust you enough to tell you this time where she was going.. Since she confided in you when she didn't even confide in her fiance.. "I know she hasn’t told him about a previous trip also (which she told me about), but this time she’s hiding it from me, and since it concerns me now, it annoys me."

Exactly how does this concern you now??? I'm still not seeing that...

Just keep in mind even the BEST of FRIENDS, Keep things from each other. ;)

BTW, its a biatch to like someone you CAN'T or WON'T have.. even if your the "mayor of the friend-zone" I know this ALL too well graemlins/mecry.gif To answer your question on "how it concerns me", well, might be paranoia, I don't know; I guess it's always reconforting to know that a friend tells you things, and yes you're right, even best of friends keep things from each other. To be honest, what I discovered shocked me more than the fact that she didn't tell me. My first impression was "whaaaat? can't believe I'm seeing this!", then came the "why did she tell me she was going somewhere else?".

MYOR, thanks for you kind words and understanding. smile.gif [/QUOTE]Hey you looked at the girl passport NO BIG DEAL.. Now if you were sniffing thru her panties.. You got a problem ;) graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif [/QUOTE]Sniff,Sniff "She told me she uses Summer's Eve...hmmm this is Quiet Garden powder..."

"I can't trust her anymore..."
graemlins/rofl.gif

DJ76

10-23-2003, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by TAC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
[snip...]what I should do about what I found out.Mind your own freaking business. That's what you should do. [/QUOTE]Ok, ok, I read you. Got your point.

I was tempted to ask you this: "if someone close to you tells you they're going somewhere and you find out they were somewhere else... wouldn't you be curious as to why they didn't tell you the truth. If your answer is no, then fine, we don't have to agree on this. I'd be curious, and I'd wanna find out. Simple as that."

Then I re-read your post, and found your answer, that you'd mind your own biz. You don't need to answer. ;)

DJ76

10-23-2003, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
Sniff,Sniff "She told me she uses Summer's Eve...hmmm this is Quiet Garden powder..."

"I can't trust her anymore..."
graemlins/rofl.gif ahaha, come on mate, you know it's deeper than that. graemlins/rofl.gif

MYOR

10-23-2003, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by DJ76:
Hey you looked at the girl passport NO BIG DEAL.. Now if you were sniffing thru her panties.. You got a problem ;) graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

[QUOTE] Nah, I'm a good guest in general, I cook for her, I clean, hell I'm Tony Danza... She likes to have me over graemlins/rofl.gif It has been weird for the past two days to see her non stop at work and at home, and to think about all this. We kinda got tipsy over a few beers last night, and I felt like asking her straight, but something held me back. Sometimes you have this image of someone and a little incident can change it... one must learn to move away from an image and see someone as a simple person, cause that's what we are after all. Honestly the best thing would be for you to say he I saw your passport I didn't know you went to blah, blah, blah.. You might just be drowning in a glass of water here... If she wants to tell you good if not then she is really trying to hide something from you or its something she really doesn't want to share with you.. Either way you'll find out and stop driving yourself crazy..

BTW, you can definetly stay over my house.. You cook and clean.... graemlins/1luvu.gif

If you like I'll leave my passport out icon_rofl.gif

[ October 23, 2003, 02:10 PM: Message edited by: MYOR ]

mhd

10-23-2003, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by DJ76:

The information came to me, rather than me looking for it. [/QB]in a dream?

MYOR

10-23-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:

The information came to me, rather than me looking for it. in a dream? [/QB][/QUOTE]Honestly I don't see the big deal here...

I know If I'm at someones house that travelled alot I would pick up the passport and look at it if it happens to on the table..

And I bet most people here would do the same.. :rolleyes:

DJ76

10-23-2003, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:

The information came to me, rather than me looking for it. in a dream? [/QB][/QUOTE]bro, I was using her computer, the passport happened to be lying there on the desk... my second reaction (after discovering what was inside and freaking out for a few minutes) was that if she really wanted to hide something from me, she wouldn't let it lie there. Oh and I did dream about her in the strangest way three nights ago. ;) Premonitions of a lost love.

DJ76

10-23-2003, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
Hey you looked at the girl passport NO BIG DEAL.. Now if you were sniffing thru her panties.. You got a problem ;) graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

Nah, I'm a good guest in general, I cook for her, I clean, hell I'm Tony Danza... She likes to have me over graemlins/rofl.gif It has been weird for the past two days to see her non stop at work and at home, and to think about all this. We kinda got tipsy over a few beers last night, and I felt like asking her straight, but something held me back. Sometimes you have this image of someone and a little incident can change it... one must learn to move away from an image and see someone as a simple person, cause that's what we are after all. Honestly the best thing would be for you to say he I saw your passport I didn't know you went to blah, blah, blah.. You might just be drowning in a glass of water here... If she wants to tell you good if not then she is really trying to hide something from you or its something she really doesn't want to share with you.. Either way you'll find out and stop driving yourself crazy..

BTW, you can definetly stay over my house.. You cook and clean.... graemlins/1luvu.gif

If you like I'll leave my passport out icon_rofl.gif ya, you know, I'm just gonna stop thinking about it. I'm still not sure it's a good idea to tell her.

Oh and the first thing I do before cooking and cleaning for someone is, you guessed, check their passeport graemlins/rofl.gif So you better have yours ready.

JoeB

10-23-2003, 02:17 PM

TAC

10-23-2003, 02:18 PM

SuzanneT

10-23-2003, 02:53 PM

[
Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shalewa:
based on your behavior and myopia, she is a wise woman. I know you didn't use the word myopia based on my handicap, but I still find that strong worded.

Secondly, the wise woman that she is has already told me about a little secret excursion of hers in the past... the only thing I can see now is that my friendship with her fiancé might have given her a reason to hide this from me.

Finally, and this is something I wish to stress about, I was not looking for dirt. Never would've I thought that I'd find find such a thing in her passport. The information came to me, rather than me looking for it. Yes yes, whether the intention was innocent or not, I looked in it... Looking in a passport didn't seem like a big deal to me as we are very open with each other. My concern was and is not on whether what I did was wrong or right, but what I should do about what I found out.

Shalewa, I fully understand you might not think too highly of me, and that's fine. I said it before, and I'll repeat, I didn't post this to get a judgment on my behaviour (although I was expecting to get this kind of reply, when you open yourself to discussion, you are bound to receive all sorts of reaction).

The ultimate punishment for me is to live, right now and perhaps for a long time, with something that I can't talk about... perhaps, she will come forward and tell me. Time will tell. [/QUOTE]I'm not gonna lecture you on the passport peek http://deephousepage.com/smilies/spank2.gifyou have had had enough spankings today lol. But a "wise woman", she aint. If she hadn't told you about that previous excursion, I don't think you would really be as concerned about trusting her. If you're friends with her AND the fiance it might put you in an uncomfortable postion if her fiance finds out about it and finds out that you knew about it too.
As far as trusting her, The whole Brussels trip thang is too menial (imho) to use as a baseline for gauging trust, more important things to base your trust level on should be her treatment of other people, how she treats you and how strong or weak her work ethic is.
I know you said that "Looking in a passport didn't seem like a big deal to me as we are very open with each other." Even if you and she are BEST friends and confidantes, the fact that she didn’t choose to tell you about Gatwick, doesn’t mean she "hid this" information from you, Nobody’s life is an open book and I think you are taking that waaay to personally. You have the misfortune (or fortune) of being a friend on 3 different levels: a friend to her and her fiance, the brotha stuck in the "friend zone" and a co-worker. Just being a "co-worker" means there are things she's not gonna tell you just because you work together. How can she tell you she went one place and the rest of the office she went somewhere else and be totally at ease with that, now thats 2 people that have to keep one lie straight.
In the future, I think it would be better to ask her where she has traveled rather than look at her passport. DO NOT bring this issue up to her at all, because although it might not seem like a big deal to you, you could quite possibly lose a friendship behind your innocent (?)perusal of her passport. A passport is not only international identification (God help you if you lose it on vacation)but a personal paper trail of things you have done in the past years; its a few steps up from a birth certificate, wallet, pocketbook or the fireproof safe she has under her bed. An equivalent analogy could be if she happened to look at your stock portfolio you left on your coffee table and I happened to come along and said "hmmm let me see what he's investing in, I might learn about some good stocks to invest in." But what I find out when I look at your portfolio is that you have made 50 million bucks in the last 3 years and now Im mad as hell because you never told me you were worth that much
and you never told my brokeass how to make that kind of money also. Can I now, no longer trust you? Well thats my 2 cents, hope that helps.
Peace,
Suzanne

mhd

10-23-2003, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:

The information came to me, rather than me looking for it. in a dream? [/QUOTE]bro, I was using her computer, the passport happened to be lying there on the desk... my second reaction (after discovering what was inside and freaking out for a few minutes) was that if she really wanted to hide something from me, she wouldn't let it lie there. Oh and I did dream about her in the strangest way three nights ago. ;) Premonitions of a lost love. [/QB][/QUOTE]looking thru a passport is no big deal, agree with you on that one, everything else though is suspect, usually you are just looking at destinations and stamps, you went a little further and checked and correlated dates and then interpreted her actions. but, the real telling point is you can't seem to discuss it with her, that is kinda weird, its like you know you betrayed her trust by thinking ill of her and the longer you wait the worse it gets. you asked for advice, either forget about it or put it on the table, as a friend i would appreciate a direct question, even if i'm guilty, over rampant speculation about my character

DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)

10-23-2003, 04:00 PM

amen-e kaken!!!!!

Bold Soul

10-23-2003, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
amen-e kaken!!!!! I don't know about everyone else, but this seems rude.

The conversation is being carried out in english and then you break into an aside that takes place in front of everyone in an language no one else understands?

DJ76

10-24-2003, 01:15 AM

The last two interventions by SuzanneT and mhd were very helpful.

Suzanne, yes it does put me in an inconfortable situation at these three levels, but to hook it with something mhd said, I feel a little bit unconfortable just plain and simply telling her "look, I was flipping through your passport last night and saw that you were in Gatwick the night you told me you'd be in Brussels"... My concern I guess is her reaction to the fact that I discovered it by what she'll interpret as being nosy, where, and mhd this is now directed to you, I'm telling you, I was not looking for dirt. I could've very well missed the Gatwick stamp, but it just happened to be on the last page I flipped, and I thought huh! Gatwick? and then I saw the date.

I wish I was confortable enough to go ahead and ask her straight, but I'm afraid it's the wrong thing to do. The thing is that we don't have any problems, we have a good relation, I'm not sure how beneficial it would be to bring this up. If she's confortable with me the way she has been so far, I guess it'll come up.

Alright, I think I've touched every corner and every angle of this question. Let's see how it'll develop.

Peace
76

DJ76

10-24-2003, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by SuzanneT:
I'm not gonna lecture you on the passport peek http://deephousepage.com/smilies/spank2.gifyou have had had enough spankings today lol. But a "wise woman", she aint. If she hadn't told you about that previous excursion, I don't think you would really be as concerned about trusting her. If you're friends with her AND the fiance it might put you in an uncomfortable postion if her fiance finds out about it and finds out that you knew about it too.
As far as trusting her, The whole Brussels trip thang is too menial (imho) to use as a baseline for gauging trust, more important things to base your trust level on should be her treatment of other people, how she treats you and how strong or weak her work ethic is.
I know you said that "Looking in a passport didn't seem like a big deal to me as we are very open with each other." Even if you and she are BEST friends and confidantes, the fact that she didn’t choose to tell you about Gatwick, doesn’t mean she "hid this" information from you, Nobody’s life is an open book and I think you are taking that waaay to personally. You have the misfortune (or fortune) of being a friend on 3 different levels: a friend to her and her fiance, the brotha stuck in the "friend zone" and a co-worker. Just being a "co-worker" means there are things she's not gonna tell you just because you work together. How can she tell you she went one place and the rest of the office she went somewhere else and be totally at ease with that, now thats 2 people that have to keep one lie straight.
In the future, I think it would be better to ask her where she has traveled rather than look at her passport. DO NOT bring this issue up to her at all, because although it might not seem like a big deal to you, you could quite possibly lose a friendship behind your innocent (?)perusal of her passport. A passport is not only international identification (God help you if you lose it on vacation)but a personal paper trail of things you have done in the past years; its a few steps up from a birth certificate, wallet, pocketbook or the fireproof safe she has under her bed. An equivalent analogy could be if she happened to look at your stock portfolio you left on your coffee table and I happened to come along and said "hmmm let me see what he's investing in, I might learn about some good stocks to invest in." But what I find out when I look at your portfolio is that you have made 50 million bucks in the last 3 years and now Im mad as hell because you never told me you were worth that much
and you never told my brokeass how to make that kind of money also. Can I now, no longer trust you? Well thats my 2 cents, hope that helps.
Peace,
Suzanne oh and you are right when you say that one shouldn't judge someone on a single incident and so on. I guess I forgot for a moment that we all keep certain things to ourselves.
Thanks again Suzanne. graemlins/bighug.gif

DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)

10-24-2003, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
amen-e kaken!!!!! I don't know about everyone else, but this seems rude.

The conversation is being carried out in english and then you break into an aside that takes place in front of everyone in an language no one else understands? [/QUOTE]Mannnnnnnnnn, stop trippin.

I purposely did it cause it's funny to me (and 76; he's one of my closest friends and he understands my type of wacky humour). Obviously it ain't funny to you. But it wasn't meant to be funny for anyone else. Yeah, I could have PM him, but I didn't,....JUST BECAUSE!!!!

Lighten up. Don't take it personal.
P.S.: if you're dying to know what I wrote, then PM me

Geez graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Moksha

10-24-2003, 07:23 AM

If you're such good friends with her, and prize honesty as much as you proclaim, why didn't you confess your discovery and ask her about it, instead of posting it on a public messageboard?

You are being far more deceptive than she was in her (possible) lie.

Shalewa

10-24-2003, 07:34 AM

10-24-2003, 07:41 AM

STAY OUT OF IT! You had NO business going through her stuff in the first place. You ARE nothing but a low down SNOOP! You wonder why you have trust issues, you can't even trust yourself to stay out of sh*t that isn't yours.

DJ76

10-24-2003, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
If you're such good friends with her, and prize honesty as much as you proclaim, why didn't you confess your discovery and ask her about it, instead of posting it on a public messageboard?

You are being far more deceptive than she was in her (possible) lie. Ya, you be in that position, then talk.

as for posting this on DHP... I asked for an advice. There are millions of posts about all kinds of subjects from music to sexual positions to financial advices to the origin of adidas shoes. You get no medal either.
Peace
76

DJ76

10-24-2003, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by Shalewa:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
If you're such good friends with her, and prize honesty as much as you proclaim, why didn't you confess your discovery and ask her about it, instead of posting it on a public messageboard?

You are being far more deceptive than she was in her (possible) lie. BINGO!!!!!! [/QUOTE]cheerleading now graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

JoeB

10-24-2003, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shalewa:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
If you're such good friends with her, and prize honesty as much as you proclaim, why didn't you confess your discovery and ask her about it, instead of posting it on a public messageboard?

You are being far more deceptive than she was in her (possible) lie. BINGO!!!!!! [/QUOTE]cheerleading now graemlins/jpshakehead.gif [/QUOTE]no, not cheerleading but maybe that she just agrees with him like i do. you are wrong on this one but i'm sure you didn't wanna hear that when you started this thread, right?

Moksha

10-24-2003, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
If you're such good friends with her, and prize honesty as much as you proclaim, why didn't you confess your discovery and ask her about it, instead of posting it on a public messageboard?

You are being far more deceptive than she was in her (possible) lie. Ya, you be in that position, then talk.

as for posting this on DHP... I asked for an advice. There are millions of posts about all kinds of subjects from music to sexual positions to financial advices to the origin of adidas shoes. You get no medal either.
Peace
76 [/QUOTE]You have missed the point.

You are upset that this girl has told you one thing, but possibly done another. You think she lied to you. Yet, your actions have been even more deceptive than hers. YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE.

You have no idea where she was or why she was there. . .your SPECULATIONS that she has lied are unsubstantiated, aside from your amateur sleuthing. . .oops, I mean snooping. However, we can all BE CERTAIN that you have looked through her belongings, and not told her. You have come to the conclusion that she is a liar, without confronting her. You have posted your circumstatial evidence and conclusions on a public messageboard, and haven't told her. You have questioned her about the trip, all the while doing so with an alterior motive.

In short, you seem to have little appreciation for trust, honesty and friendship. . .the very things that are pissing you off about her. . .EXCEPT when they relate to tresspasses against you.

If you are unable to see the hypocracy of your actions and accusations, then nobody here will be able to tell you different. Which leads me to ask: if you are going to stand steadfast in your feelings of justification (which you have done despite the overwhelming opposition to your actions), why are you asking others for advice at all?

JoeB

10-24-2003, 08:47 AM

DJ76

10-24-2003, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
If you're such good friends with her, and prize honesty as much as you proclaim, why didn't you confess your discovery and ask her about it, instead of posting it on a public messageboard?

You are being far more deceptive than she was in her (possible) lie. Ya, you be in that position, then talk.

as for posting this on DHP... I asked for an advice. There are millions of posts about all kinds of subjects from music to sexual positions to financial advices to the origin of adidas shoes. You get no medal either.
Peace
76 [/QUOTE]You have missed the point.

You are upset that this girl has told you one thing, but possibly done another. You think she lied to you. Yet, your actions have been even more deceptive than hers. YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE.

You have no idea where she was or why she was there. . .your SPECULATIONS that she has lied are unsubstantiated, aside from your amateur sleuthing. . .oops, I mean snooping. However, we can all BE CERTAIN that you have looked through her belongings, and not told her. You have come to the conclusion that she is a liar, without confronting her. You have posted your circumstatial evidence and conclusions on a public messageboard, and haven't told her. You have questioned her about the trip, all the while doing so with an alterior motive.

In short, you seem to have little appreciation for trust, honesty and friendship. . .the very things that are pissing you off about her. . .EXCEPT when they relate to tresspasses against you.

If you are unable to see the hypocracy of your actions and accusations, then nobody here will be able to tell you different. Which leads me to ask: if you are going to stand steadfast in your feelings of justification (which you have done despite the overwhelming opposition to your actions), why are you asking others for advice at all? [/QUOTE]I have received the advices I needed, thanks.

Overwhelming opposition? You read what you want to read I guess. And you are taking my action far beyond and misreading it.

Let me ask you something. When I tell you that I went through it without ulterior motives, that at first, I didn't see what I did as something wrong until I fell on the information that surprised me, what makes you say that I am a hypocrit? That I'm doubting she told me the truth (I didn't come to a conclusion, I'm doubting). Fine, I realized what I did went wrong, it went somewhere I didn't expect it to go. You haven't answered my only question, what would you do in such a situation? Put yourself in my shoes for a second, you find out something that surprises you, you find something about a friend you didn't expect, what would you do? That's all I'm asking you, I'm not asking you to judge what I did. But with the stance you have taken, I'm afraid you won't be able to answer my question impartially.

DJ76

10-24-2003, 11:04 AM

Funny how, when someone is in a position of vulnerability, some will take advantage of it and put someone down. It really disappoints me to see that. Anyways, some people saw through me and knew exactly how I felt. And that's reconforting. Like I already said, the easy thing was to say what I did was wrong. Now to help me or advise me on the subject, noooooooo, some are not ready to go that far.

DJ76

10-24-2003, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by JoeB:
you are wrong on this one but i'm sure you didn't wanna hear that when you started this thread, right? Right.

DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)

10-24-2003, 11:07 AM

How about those Expos!!!???

DJ76

10-24-2003, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian, a.k.a. Sinister:
How about those Expos!!!??? playing golf?

Tony Cano

10-24-2003, 11:13 AM

MYOR

10-24-2003, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by DJ76:
Funny how, when someone is in a position of vulnerability, some will take advantage of it and put someone down. It really disappoints me to see that. Anyways, some people saw through me and knew exactly how I felt. And that's reconforting. Like I already said, the easy thing was to say what I did was wrong. Now to help me or advise me on the subject, noooooooo, some are not ready to go that far. I gather by now you realized you only have two choices..

1) Ask her..
2) Forget about it..(or at least TRY graemlins/cool_shades.gif )

Pick one and JUST DO IT... ;)

[ October 24, 2003, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: MYOR ]

DJ76

10-24-2003, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
Funny how, when someone is in a position of vulnerability, some will take advantage of it and put someone down. It really disappoints me to see that. Anyways, some people saw through me and knew exactly how I felt. And that's reconforting. Like I already said, the easy thing was to say what I did was wrong. Now to help me or advise me on the subject, noooooooo, some are not ready to go that far. I gather by now you realized you only have two choices..

1) Ask her..
2) Forget about it..(or at least TRY graemlins/cool_shades.gif )

Pick one and JUST DO IT... ;) [/QUOTE]Yes, and choice number 3, never ask for advice publicly. I haven't learned graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Let me ask you, how is it that there are people like you and some others that are ready to read when someone comes out, knowingly taking the risk of being bashed, yet you extend your hand and understand? You could've done like everyone else and said, hey dumbass, why did you look? Like some people on this thread, you didn't make a big deal out of it. I know it seems like I'm padding your back cause you were ready to listen, but in fact, you did already take a stance and realized what I did was not the best thing to do, yet you went much further than everybody else. It might not mean much for you to read this from someone who just went through a few pages of bashing, but let me repeat again that you have been very helpful. Thanks a million.

I'm out for the week-end.
peace.

DJ76

10-24-2003, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
2) Forget about it..(or at least TRY graemlins/cool_shades.gif )
ha ha ha @ "at least try". You know how hard that is graemlins/rofl.gif I'll be opting for that one though.

MYOR

10-24-2003, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
Funny how, when someone is in a position of vulnerability, some will take advantage of it and put someone down. It really disappoints me to see that. Anyways, some people saw through me and knew exactly how I felt. And that's reconforting. Like I already said, the easy thing was to say what I did was wrong. Now to help me or advise me on the subject, noooooooo, some are not ready to go that far. I gather by now you realized you only have two choices..

1) Ask her..
2) Forget about it..(or at least TRY graemlins/cool_shades.gif )

Pick one and JUST DO IT... ;) [/QUOTE]Yes, and choice number 3, never ask for advice publicly. I haven't learned graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Let me ask you, how is it that there are people like you and some others that are ready to read when someone comes out, knowingly taking the risk of being bashed, yet you extend your hand and understand? You could've done like everyone else and said, hey dumbass, why did you look? Like some people on this thread, you didn't make a big deal out of it. I know it seems like I'm padding your back cause you were ready to listen, but in fact, you did already take a stance and realized what I did was not the best thing to do, yet you went much further than everybody else. It might not mean much for you to read this from someone who just went through a few pages of bashing, but let me repeat again that you have been very helpful. Thanks a million.

I'm out for the week-end.
peace. [/QUOTE]graemlins/remybussi.gif ,, Maybe its because I put myself in your shoes.... I know I would have looked at that passport... Especially knowing she had already flipped thru mine...

People went for the obvious, You did bad,bad boy graemlins/tongueout.gif ... it wasn't clear to my WHY you felt what you did, that was more important to find out.. Ok I'm just Nosey ;)

Besides why beat you down, when you are doing a fine job of it yourself.... graemlins/spanka.gif

Have a good weekend... graemlins/all_coholic.gif

[ October 24, 2003, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: MYOR ]