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lyot
09-07-2003, 02:24 PM
Abbas’s Exit Turns Page to Fresh Palestinian Violence


Debka File Special Analysis (http://debka.com/article.php?aid=559)
September 6, 2003, 4:41 PM (GMT+02:00)





It took Yasser Arafat 100 days to knock over the linchpin of the Aqaba peace strategy plotted by US President George W. Bush and Israeli premier Ariel Sharon at the Jordanian Red Sea resort; Abu Mazen aka Mahmoud Abbas submitted his resignation as Palestinian prime minister on Saturday, September 6, for lack of any other option.

Arafat’s blow was a double-headed one, striking at two key sections of the Bush administration’s master-plan: the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and Iraq.

The statistics of the ill-fated Abu Mazen experiment are horrendous – in 88 days from the June 6 Aqaba summit up until Saturday September 6, 64 Israelis were murdered by Palestinian terrorists and more than 1,000 wounded, i.e. 0.7 dead and more than 10 injured victims per day. It is hard to imagine any government continuing to base its policies – especially one that declares the security of its citizens paramount – on the regular slaughter of its citizens day after day by a declared enemy. This state of affairs is not a matter of political viewpoint. Placing the home front in harm’s way makes the battle front more vulnerable. When the enemy is permitted to strike at will at civilian towns and villages, it means the front line is wide open and national defenses are in tatters.

This lesson the Americans first understood on September 11.

In Iraq, the statistics begin on May 1, when President Bush declared the combat phase of the Iraq War at an end. Since then, 65 Americans have died in enemy attacks, i.e. 0.6 per day in 118 days.

The Americans now admit that the anti-US resistance in Iraq is not confined to Saddam loyalists, but is an orchestrated Arab-Muslim guerrilla campaign sustained by a stream of foreign fighters mostly from Syria and Iran and including a heavy influx of al Qaeda terrorists.

Israel knows that the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure controlled by Yasser Arafat is fed by the same sources; most of the ammunition, explosives, trainers for suicide and mega-terror techniques, comes from Iran, largely through Lebanon, from al Qaeda and from Syria. But because the Bush government has chosen to leave these sources of the Arab-Islamic campaign waged against US troops unscathed, so too have Ariel Sharon and his government refrained from destroying the Palestinian infrastructure nurtured by that same Arab-Muslim Trio.

It is no secret that Israel’s campaign of targeted assassinations and preventive operations against the Hamas barely scratched the surface of the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure. This restraint was explained by the need to bolster Abu Mazen’s standing and hopes that he and his internal security minister Mohamed Dahlan would finally do the job.

In fact, Israel’s selective counter-terror tactics actually weakened the former Palestinian prime minister. The Hamas was not his enemy, but Arafat, while the most massive terrorist infrastructure was not the one built by Hamas but the one based on his Tanzim, Fatah and al Aqsa Martyrs (Suicides) Brigades. Israeli forces concentrated on hitting the Hamas and scarcely touched Arafat’s forces, allowing them to gain strength. When Palestinian politicians saw Arafat getting away with his buildup and with pulling support away from Abbas, they deserted the prime minister in droves leaving him with no choice but to quit.

Abu Mazen’s downfall is not his alone; neither is it a passing episode. His debacle spells the crash of any foreseeable prospects of Palestinian-Israeli progress towards a peaceful settlement. His removal leaves Bush and Sharon face to face with Arafat and the violent offensive he is preparing to loose. Gone is the artificial buffer presented by the flimsy Au Mazan-Dahlan administration. Since Israel forces were restrained from striking at the foundations of Arafat’s military strength, the next Palestinian-Israeli war is likely to be more violent and bloody than the previous rounds.

This prospect is bound closely to events in Iraq and the global war on terror.

Until mid-August, the watchword of Islamic jihadist radicals was “Palestine Tumadikun!” – We march on Palestine! - there to prevail over the Israelis and the Americans. Since then, a new slogan has taken over: “Iraq Tumadikun! – We march on Iraq! – there to prevail over the Americans and the Israelis.

The combination of emblems on the cover of a new booklet published by al Qaeda says it all: the Sword of Islam cutting through a US-Israeli flag montage with a American military truck in flames below the text.

As DEBKAfile wrote some days ago, the final Islamic-US battle lines run through “Palestine” to Iraq. This has always been the political, national, strategic, tactical and terrorist doctrine guiding Arafat’s every step; it was naïve to imagine he would be thrown off course by a lightweight bureaucrat like Abu Mazen.

The right-wing ministers of the Sharon government are now speaking up loudly in favor of expelling Arafat. They are too late. With Abbas gone, he can finally make his dream come true of standing on the same pedestal as Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Capturing Arafat, killing him or sending him into exile will not undo his handiwork. He has used the phony ceasefire attained by the departed Palestinian prime minister to manufacture a terrorist machine on a national scale that is closely linked to Tehran, Damascus, Beirut and al Qaeda and has its own built-in mechanism for automatic operation, with or without his pushing buttons.

The Economic Aspect

Ten years after the 1993 Oslo Framework Accords were signed by Israeli and the Palestinians, the theory at the bottom of their conception is still current, that the Palestinians can be weaned away from terrorism by investments that improve their standard of living and provide them with decent medical and education services. This might have worked had the vast sums of international aid funds - $16 bn in a decade – been spent on these laudable goals. In actual fact, the money was sunk into fabricating the mightiest terror machine every seen and the lining of its masters’ pockets. Yasser Arafat’s great national enterprise since 1983 has been to build a terrorist empire on the West Bank that outstrips the terrorist kingdom ruling the Gaza Strip.

This week, the White House informed the US Congress that an estimated 50 to 70 billion dollars would be needed for Iraq’s reconstruction. This investment is supported by circles in the US who believe that the easing of the guerrilla war will open the door for more and more American companies to get involved in the Iraqi market and so produce profits that will benefit Iraq and bring business to the American economy.

This assumption fails to take two realities into account.

One , efforts to ensure the regular production of Iraqi oil and its flow to export markets have thus far been stymied by sabotage. Every time repairs are completed, Arab-Islamic guerrillas blow a fresh hole in a main pipeline or start a new fire. Output has not gone beyond 600,000 barrels per day, which barely covers local and US military consumption. Export targets that would cover American war costs of $1bn per week are out of sight.

Two , notwithstanding all the international efforts to divert aid funds to the Palestinian people, the bulk of Palestinian Authority revenues still passes through Arafat’s hands and provides him with his war chest for funding his terrorists. There is no guarantee that funds invested in Iraq would not likewise reach terrorist hands.

Huey P. Freeman
09-07-2003, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by lyot:
Abbas’s Exit Turns Page to Fresh Palestinian Violence


Debka File Special Analysis (http://debka.com/article.php?aid=559)
September 6, 2003, 4:41 PM (GMT+02:00)

This article shows so much bias that it does not count as journalism. It is more like an editorial by a Pro-Israeli neophyte. It's bullshit. Very scewed.



It took Yasser Arafat 100 days to knock over the linchpin of the Aqaba peace strategy plotted by US President George W. Bush and Israeli premier Ariel Sharon at the Jordanian Red Sea resort; Abu Mazen aka Mahmoud Abbas submitted his resignation as Palestinian prime minister on Saturday, September 6, for lack of any other option.

Arafat’s blow was a double-headed one, striking at two key sections of the Bush administration’s master-plan: the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and Iraq.

The statistics of the ill-fated Abu Mazen experiment are horrendous – in 88 days from the June 6 Aqaba summit up until Saturday September 6, 64 Israelis were murdered by Palestinian terrorists and more than 1,000 wounded, i.e. 0.7 dead and more than 10 injured victims per day. It is hard to imagine any government continuing to base its policies – especially one that declares the security of its citizens paramount – on the regular slaughter of its citizens day after day by a declared enemy. This state of affairs is not a matter of political viewpoint. Placing the home front in harm’s way makes the battle front more vulnerable. When the enemy is permitted to strike at will at civilian towns and villages, it means the front line is wide open and national defenses are in tatters.

This lesson the Americans first understood on September 11.

In Iraq, the statistics begin on May 1, when President Bush declared the combat phase of the Iraq War at an end. Since then, 65 Americans have died in enemy attacks, i.e. 0.6 per day in 118 days.

The Americans now admit that the anti-US resistance in Iraq is not confined to Saddam loyalists, but is an orchestrated Arab-Muslim guerrilla campaign sustained by a stream of foreign fighters mostly from Syria and Iran and including a heavy influx of al Qaeda terrorists.

Israel knows that the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure controlled by Yasser Arafat is fed by the same sources; most of the ammunition, explosives, trainers for suicide and mega-terror techniques, comes from Iran, largely through Lebanon, from al Qaeda and from Syria. But because the Bush government has chosen to leave these sources of the Arab-Islamic campaign waged against US troops unscathed, so too have Ariel Sharon and his government refrained from destroying the Palestinian infrastructure nurtured by that same Arab-Muslim Trio.

It is no secret that Israel’s campaign of targeted assassinations and preventive operations against the Hamas barely scratched the surface of the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure. This restraint was explained by the need to bolster Abu Mazen’s standing and hopes that he and his internal security minister Mohamed Dahlan would finally do the job.

In fact, Israel’s selective counter-terror tactics actually weakened the former Palestinian prime minister. The Hamas was not his enemy, but Arafat, while the most massive terrorist infrastructure was not the one built by Hamas but the one based on his Tanzim, Fatah and al Aqsa Martyrs (Suicides) Brigades. Israeli forces concentrated on hitting the Hamas and scarcely touched Arafat’s forces, allowing them to gain strength. When Palestinian politicians saw Arafat getting away with his buildup and with pulling support away from Abbas, they deserted the prime minister in droves leaving him with no choice but to quit.

Abu Mazen’s downfall is not his alone; neither is it a passing episode. His debacle spells the crash of any foreseeable prospects of Palestinian-Israeli progress towards a peaceful settlement. His removal leaves Bush and Sharon face to face with Arafat and the violent offensive he is preparing to loose. Gone is the artificial buffer presented by the flimsy Au Mazan-Dahlan administration. Since Israel forces were restrained from striking at the foundations of Arafat’s military strength, the next Palestinian-Israeli war is likely to be more violent and bloody than the previous rounds.

This prospect is bound closely to events in Iraq and the global war on terror.

Until mid-August, the watchword of Islamic jihadist radicals was “Palestine Tumadikun!” – We march on Palestine! - there to prevail over the Israelis and the Americans. Since then, a new slogan has taken over: “Iraq Tumadikun! – We march on Iraq! – there to prevail over the Americans and the Israelis.

The combination of emblems on the cover of a new booklet published by al Qaeda says it all: the Sword of Islam cutting through a US-Israeli flag montage with a American military truck in flames below the text.

As DEBKAfile wrote some days ago, the final Islamic-US battle lines run through “Palestine” to Iraq. This has always been the political, national, strategic, tactical and terrorist doctrine guiding Arafat’s every step; it was naïve to imagine he would be thrown off course by a lightweight bureaucrat like Abu Mazen.

The right-wing ministers of the Sharon government are now speaking up loudly in favor of expelling Arafat. They are too late. With Abbas gone, he can finally make his dream come true of standing on the same pedestal as Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Capturing Arafat, killing him or sending him into exile will not undo his handiwork. He has used the phony ceasefire attained by the departed Palestinian prime minister to manufacture a terrorist machine on a national scale that is closely linked to Tehran, Damascus, Beirut and al Qaeda and has its own built-in mechanism for automatic operation, with or without his pushing buttons.

The Economic Aspect

Ten years after the 1993 Oslo Framework Accords were signed by Israeli and the Palestinians, the theory at the bottom of their conception is still current, that the Palestinians can be weaned away from terrorism by investments that improve their standard of living and provide them with decent medical and education services. This might have worked had the vast sums of international aid funds - $16 bn in a decade – been spent on these laudable goals. In actual fact, the money was sunk into fabricating the mightiest terror machine every seen and the lining of its masters’ pockets. Yasser Arafat’s great national enterprise since 1983 has been to build a terrorist empire on the West Bank that outstrips the terrorist kingdom ruling the Gaza Strip.

This week, the White House informed the US Congress that an estimated 50 to 70 billion dollars would be needed for Iraq’s reconstruction. This investment is supported by circles in the US who believe that the easing of the guerrilla war will open the door for more and more American companies to get involved in the Iraqi market and so produce profits that will benefit Iraq and bring business to the American economy.

This assumption fails to take two realities into account.

One , efforts to ensure the regular production of Iraqi oil and its flow to export markets have thus far been stymied by sabotage. Every time repairs are completed, Arab-Islamic guerrillas blow a fresh hole in a main pipeline or start a new fire. Output has not gone beyond 600,000 barrels per day, which barely covers local and US military consumption. Export targets that would cover American war costs of $1bn per week are out of sight.

Two , notwithstanding all the international efforts to divert aid funds to the Palestinian people, the bulk of Palestinian Authority revenues still passes through Arafat’s hands and provides him with his war chest for funding his terrorists. There is no guarantee that funds invested in Iraq would not likewise reach terrorist hands.

lyot
09-07-2003, 04:41 PM
hello eargasm,

can you elaborate where you think the article is skewed ? I think it makes a lot valid points, and is probably right in alledging that we will have be ready for an upsurge in violence in the coming time.

greetings;


ps : hitting my bed now, will get back to this tomorrow.

lyot
09-08-2003, 04:02 AM
bump bump

Digiman
09-08-2003, 05:10 AM
The article states;

"so too have Ariel Sharon and his government refrained from destroying the Palestinian infrastructure nurtured by that same Arab-Muslim Trio"

A pretty bold statement. A large percentage of the Israeli miltitary/intelligence machine is devoted to destroying that very infrastructure from within and elsewhere. To suggest that Israel has "refrained" from destroying it is plainly wrong.

lyot
09-08-2003, 07:07 AM
I think they mean that the Israeli governement has shown restraint..I think this is a very valid statement. The Sharon governement clearly did limit her destructive policies towards the Palestinians during the period of the truce. It is clear that HAMAS and Arafat's terror machine is not destroyed. Otherwise, the cycle of violence would not continue like this..So I do not see what is wrong with the statement that they've refrained from totally destroying the Palestinian infrastructure. Now is the time to see whether the Israeli governement is still gonna refrain from doing that.

greetings,

djyoavb
09-08-2003, 07:39 AM
hi there. i live in Israel. just wanted to say thanx for the concern. personally i don't think peace will come very soon, both our's and them goverments r doing the best they can to make this situation as permanent as they can. many reasons for this, most of them related to power, corruption and lies. **** Sharon and Arafat.

lyot
09-08-2003, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by djyoavb:
hi there. i live in Israel. just wanted to say thanx for the concern. personally i don't think peace will come very soon, both our's and them goverments r doing the best they can to make this situation as permanent as they can. many reasons for this, most of them related to power, corruption and lies. **** Sharon and Arafat. hey djyoavb,

i don't believe in a peacefull solution neither. I think the last couple of weeks have once again proven to the world that there's very little will to make peace, in both camps.

djyoavb, what do you think of the solution of a making Palestina an international protectorate under UN authority ? I think that in fact Palestine territories are still under the authority of the UN right now, but what I mean is like an intervention of a kind of peace force, that would deal with Israel's security concerns? I know that Israel's security paradigm is based on the fixed belief that only the state of Israel can take care of it's own security, but I think , given the current state of affairs, an international force might be a good thing, if at least it is truly multilateral..

greetings

djyoavb
09-08-2003, 08:25 AM
no one can stop people's raising their heads and claiming for indipendence. there is only one solution- 2 countries for 2 peoples. the question is how many people will die till those monsters above us will realise that.
Lyot, u said "i don't believe in a peacefull solution neither". i believe in a peacefull solution, it's a shame we can't achive one...

djyoavb
09-08-2003, 08:28 AM
it's a realy long story btw... goes way way back... and as time go by it's only getting worse.

Hk
09-08-2003, 08:35 AM
...having not read the article and in an attempt
to see thru my own bias I wont make comments...

....yet, the victim seems quite obvious, stark
that is....

mdpm99
09-08-2003, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by djyoavb:
hi there. i live in Israel. just wanted to say thanx for the concern. personally i don't think peace will come very soon, both our's and them goverments r doing the best they can to make this situation as permanent as they can. many reasons for this, most of them related to power, corruption and lies. **** Sharon and Arafat. Greetings djyoavb:

Very true in what you say.... + the religious fanatics involved on both sides.

d

djyoavb
09-08-2003, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by Hk:
...having not read the article and in an attempt
to see thru my own bias I wont make comments...

....yet, the victim seems quite obvious, stark
that is.... i support the palestinian struggle for indipendence. in the meantime, 2 palestinian suecide bombers exploaded themselfs very close to my house and if i was late 5 min i could have been killed. still, i support the palestinian struggle for indipendence.

djyoavb
09-08-2003, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
hi there. i live in Israel. just wanted to say thanx for the concern. personally i don't think peace will come very soon, both our's and them goverments r doing the best they can to make this situation as permanent as they can. many reasons for this, most of them related to power, corruption and lies. **** Sharon and Arafat. Greetings djyoavb:

Very true in what you say.... + the religious fanatics involved on both sides.

d </font>[/QUOTE]greetings David much love and respect for your heritage.

regarding your comment- i personally think there is nothing here to do with religion. religion is only an exuse for some ****ing greedy and disrespectfull people to gain more power and money. America's leaders r doing it in the name of freedom, Israel leaders r doing it in the name of Jewish historical rights and palestinian leaders r doing it in the name of indipendence. no one realy cares.

Cheddar
09-08-2003, 10:04 AM
Ashcroft says that God is telling him what to do.
So did Bush.
Furhermore, I always heard about some of the crazy stuff in the Talmud and recently read some quotes which would explain the actions of Sharon. :eek:

Digiman
09-08-2003, 10:05 AM
Hi all, I have a question about the two-state solution. I was just wondering how people would travel from West Bank to Gaza given that the two areas are not contiguous? It seems a bit weird having one country in two different places and no way to get from one to the other. Or perhaps my geography is wrong. Can anyone clear this point up?(perhaps djyoavb will know best)

djyoavb
09-08-2003, 10:07 AM
"Ashcroft says that God is telling him what to do. So did Bush.
Furhermore, I always heard about some of the crazy stuff in the Talmud and recently read some quotes which would explain the actions of Sharon"

u can intereprate anything in anyway. to blame a book with all the evils of the world is a pretty easy way to go.

[ September 08, 2003, 11:09 AM: Message edited by: djyoavb ]

Cheddar
09-08-2003, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by djyoavb:
"Ashcroft says that God is telling him what to do. So did Bush.
Furhermore, I always heard about some of the crazy stuff in the Talmud and recently read some quotes which would explain the actions of Sharon"

u can intereprate anything in anyway. to blame a book with all the evils of the world is a pretty easy way to go. So true, yet to understand that these things were said/written and for the USA to make such an ally (more like being proxied) within this whole war on terrorism where certain people (color/religion) are the enemy....Sharon's actions seem very much in line with religous doctrine.

djyoavb
09-08-2003, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by Alfie Moon:
Hi all, I have a question about the two-state solution. I was just wondering how people would travel from West Bank to Gaza given that the two areas are not contiguous? It seems a bit weird having one country in two different places and no way to get from one to the other. Or perhaps my geography is wrong. Can anyone clear this point up?(perhaps djyoavb will know best) when time comes (means never), i'm sure they'll fix it ;)

djyoavb
09-08-2003, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by 1343:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
"Ashcroft says that God is telling him what to do. So did Bush.
Furhermore, I always heard about some of the crazy stuff in the Talmud and recently read some quotes which would explain the actions of Sharon"

u can intereprate anything in anyway. to blame a book with all the evils of the world is a pretty easy way to go. So true, yet to understand that these things were said/written and for the USA to make such an ally (more like being proxied) within this whole war on terrorism where certain people (color/religion) are the enemy....Sharon's actions seem very much in line with religous doctrine. </font>[/QUOTE]my state was built upon religion, and was suppossed to be a home for the jewish people after 6 millions of them were killed in the holocost. but it doesn't seem to work, there r more peoples inside this country other than jewish, it's realy complicated... any American girl wants to marry me? has to be sexy though...

Hk
09-08-2003, 05:59 PM
&gt;&gt;any American girl wants to marry me? has to be sexy though....

graemlins/stupid.gif Ehhhh, you'd take that back if U knew what I knew...(but I guess to get outta there well I dunno, you'll be sorrrrrrry)

Indeed, its not about religion. That's the sucker food they give to the masses! However, the elite are clever, they've caused a tidal wave of endless blood to be shed, as you mentioned out of power.....(its in us all).

[concerning your earlier reply]
Did you think you were going to escape death?...Good, then dont concern yourself with which way it comes, I'll make du'a concerning your situation however.

Tragic stuff, but we're to blaim, we let it happen
(as Malcolm X said).

U
09-09-2003, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by djyoavb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1343:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
"Ashcroft says that God is telling him what to do. So did Bush.
Furhermore, I always heard about some of the crazy stuff in the Talmud and recently read some quotes which would explain the actions of Sharon"

u can intereprate anything in anyway. to blame a book with all the evils of the world is a pretty easy way to go. So true, yet to understand that these things were said/written and for the USA to make such an ally (more like being proxied) within this whole war on terrorism where certain people (color/religion) are the enemy....Sharon's actions seem very much in line with religous doctrine. </font>[/QUOTE]my state was built upon religion, and was suppossed to be a home for the jewish people after 6 millions of them were killed in the holocost. but it doesn't seem to work, there r more peoples inside this country other than jewish, it's realy complicated... any American girl wants to marry me? has to be sexy though... </font>[/QUOTE]Well, if she has to be sexy, what about you? Are you sexy too?
Seriously, I'm married to an Israeli and he doesn't want to go back...at least not to live there. He wants to go and visit his family, but I think he has just had enough of the fighting.

djyoavb
09-09-2003, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by U:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1343:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djyoavb:
"Ashcroft says that God is telling him what to do. So did Bush.
Furhermore, I always heard about some of the crazy stuff in the Talmud and recently read some quotes which would explain the actions of Sharon"

u can intereprate anything in anyway. to blame a book with all the evils of the world is a pretty easy way to go. So true, yet to understand that these things were said/written and for the USA to make such an ally (more like being proxied) within this whole war on terrorism where certain people (color/religion) are the enemy....Sharon's actions seem very much in line with religous doctrine. </font>[/QUOTE]my state was built upon religion, and was suppossed to be a home for the jewish people after 6 millions of them were killed in the holocost. but it doesn't seem to work, there r more peoples inside this country other than jewish, it's realy complicated... any American girl wants to marry me? has to be sexy though... </font>[/QUOTE]Well, if she has to be sexy, what about you? Are you sexy too?
Seriously, I'm married to an Israeli and he doesn't want to go back...at least not to live there. He wants to go and visit his family, but I think he has just had enough of the fighting. </font>[/QUOTE]wouldn't go for a standart i'm not fitting in ;) , anyone available?

U
09-09-2003, 08:15 AM
picture please ;)

djyoavb
09-09-2003, 11:24 AM
http://deephousepage.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=029601;p=6 http://deephousepage.com/smilies/fun_84.gif

U
09-09-2003, 11:28 AM
then I guess you have seen me as well?

djyoavb
09-09-2003, 11:35 AM
ahhh... now i saw u, on your way to work... graemlins/beerchug.gif