Saddam Detained in Iraq

[mdpm99]

New Agency Says Saddam Detained in Iraq

.c The Associated Press

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein has been detained in Iraq, Iran's official news agency reported Sunday.

``Saddam Hussein was arrested in his hometown of Tikrit,'' IRNA quoted top Iraqi leader, Jalal Talabani as saying. It gave no further details.

[mdpm99]

Saddam Captured Alive, Iraq Official Says

.c The Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Saddam Hussein has been captured alive in his hometown of Tikrit, a member of the U.S.-appointed Governing Council said Sunday.

Council member Dara Noor al-Din told The Associated Press that the council was informed of the former dictator's capture in a telephone call from L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator for Iraq.

``Bremer has confirmed to the Governing Council that Saddam was captured in Tikrit,'' Noor al-Din said. ``He spoke on the phone to several members, including Ahmad Chalabi.''

Chalabi is a leading member of the council who has close links to the U.S. administration of President Bush.

Minutes earlier, Iran's official news agency, IRNA, also reported that Saddam had been detained in Iraq. ``Saddam Hussein was arrested in his hometown of Tikrit,'' IRNA quoted top Iraqi leader, Jalal Talabani as saying. It gave no further details.

Nazem Dabbagh, a representative of Talabani's Patriotic Union of Kurdestan, confirmed Talabani's statement when reached by phone Sunday by an Associated Press reporter in Tehran.

In Iraq, rumors that Saddam was captured or killed near Tikrit sent hundreds of exultant people into the streets of this northern Iraqi city Sunday. They fired in the air in celebration and congratulated each other.

A spokeswoman for the U.S.-led occupation in Baghdad notified reporters that a ``very important'' announcement will be made at a news conference scheduled for 7 a.m. EST, but did not say who would be the speaker. The spokeswoman requested anonymity.

In Tikrit, rumors that the former dictator was in custody were making the rounds, but reporters attached to the 4th Infantry Division, the U.S. unit in charge of security in the area, said there was no unusual activity there overnight or early Sunday.

``We are celebrating like it's a wedding,'' said Mustapha Sheriff, a resident of Kirkuk. ``We are finally rid of that criminal.''

``This is the joy of a lifetime,'' said Ali Al-Bashiri, another Kirkuk resident. ``I am speaking on behalf of all the people that suffered under his rule.''

Saddam, who ruled Iraq for 23 years until his ouster in April, has been a fugitive since then with a $25 million bounty on his head.

Rumors about Saddam's capture or death periodically surface, and a hotline set up by the occupation authorities for tips on his whereabouts is flooded with callers.



12/14/03 05:55

[ December 14, 2003, 05:02 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[mdpm99]

Ps.

......if this should be true, this changes nothing regarding the lies of weapons of mass destruction.

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[Ronnie Ron]

Good morning David,

thanks for the info.
I just saw this on the news. WOW this should be the headline all day.


R-R

[David Le C]

true David, the lies will not be forgotten.

However, if this is true, it may give the the big machos in DC a good reason to leave Iraq with their heads high. Making place for a somewhat less provocative peace force in the region...

Have a nice day!

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by David Le C:
true David, the lies will not be forgotten.

However, if this is true, it may give the the big machos in DC a good reason to leave Iraq with their heads high. Making place for a somewhat less provocative peace force in the region...

Have a nice day! Greetings David Le C:

If true, Bush is not the one who captured him, even though the White House will, no doubt, try to make it seem Bush made another secret trip to Iraq, donned his cute little GI Jones outfit and personally went door to door throughout the entire country until he found Saddam and single-handedly took him into custody. And the really sad part is that at least half the people in the US will believe it.

:rolleyes:

d

Ps. Good Morning Ronnie Ron! smile.gif

[mdpm99]

Official: Saddam Dug Hole to Hide Himself

.c The Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Saddam Hussein, trapped in a cellar, dug a hole and buried himself as U.S. soldiers moved into the house where he was hiding, an Iraqi official said Sunday.

``The American soldiers had to use shovels to dig him out,'' Entifadh Qanbar, spokesman for Governing Council member Ahmad Chalabi, told The Associated Press.

Qanbar, basing his account on reports from members of the U.S.-led occupation authority, said Saddam had a salt-and-pepper beard when he was captured. Soldiers photographed him, shaved the beard and photographed him again before running DNA tests, he said.

``The DNA test confirmed 100 percent Saddam Hussein's identity,'' he said.

Qanbar said the capture took place ``in a town very close to Tikrit,'' Saddam's hometown 160 kilometers (100 miles) north of Baghdad.

[uzibee]

Bush speaks out (http://rub.to/images/bush_tsg15.wmv)

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by uzibee:
Bush speaks out (http://rub.to/images/bush_tsg15.wmv) Thanks uzibee smile.gif

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[mdpm99]

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[ December 14, 2003, 06:09 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[roki]

Paul Bremer - "We Got Him" was just followed by a flurry of what appeared to me to be forced cheering and clapping and a half attempt at a standing ovation...

Man.. even when they've got good news they have to stage manage it...

I'm *REALLY* not sure how I feel about this...

roki

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by roki:
Paul Bremer - "We Got Him" was just followed by a flurry of what appeared to me to be forced cheering and clapping and a half attempt at a standing ovation...

Man.. even when they've got good news they have to stage manage it...

I'm *REALLY* not sure how I feel about this...

roki Greetings roki:

I wouldn't be surprised if they had him on ice all along, waiting until they needed him. This changes nothing.

d

Ps.

Quick, Capture George,too!! graemlins/grinyes.gif
(I would love to see Saddam and Bu$h in the same room together!)

[ December 14, 2003, 06:29 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[roki]

Well, we just saw some pictures of some pictures of a concrete hole and some 'spot the difference' video stills...

TV can be so easily manipulated in these situations there's every possibility you're right David... I've been lied to so much this far I'm gonna reserve judgement on this one.

roki

[roki]

Also... possibly worth while keeping an eye on the smaller news stories right now to see if they aren't sneaking out some less positive announcements at this time.

roki

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by roki:
Well, we just saw some pictures of some pictures of a concrete hole and some 'spot the difference' video stills...

TV can be so easily manipulated in these situations there's every possibility you're right David... I've been lied to so much this far I'm gonna reserve judgement on this one.

roki Exactly roki! (especially when it was found out that the turkey that bu$h was holding on Thanksgiving day was a fake one).

Of course this is a positive for the whole world HOWEVER it is not the ONLY positive and doesn't even begin to negate the other marks on Bush's less than shining record. To wit:

Where's Osama bin Laden? Remember him? Will 9/11 ring a bell for most?

How come the Iraqi people don't get to elect their own government and decide whom they will or will not do business with? Why isn't Halliburton being investigated for overcharging the taxpayers on gas? Why don't they pay THEIR fair share of taxes instead of hiding income in offshore tax havens, and why did Bush weaken laws preventing corporations from doing that? Why did they get a NO-BID contract when they are so heavily connected financially with the Bush administration?

When do we get to find out who revealed the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame (Karl Rove) thus compromising national security? A five minute phone call from Asscroft to Robert Novak threatening him with ten years in a federal prison might bring about some answers?

Why is Bush defunding schools, allowing polluting companies to release more pollutants like mercury into the atmosphere, and trying to cut overtime pay for some workers (incidentally he received a big raise the minute he walked into the White House gratis the Republicans in Congress, who also handed themselves a nice raise)?

The questions go on and on and on but I don't have time to post them all. Many will just want to do is jump up and down like the fruitcakes and say "SEE? SEE? Bush caught Saddam!!! That makes him the greatest president who ever lived and the greatest who ever WILL LIVE FOREVER!"

Please forgive my negativistic approach at this particular time, but it will take many a moon t o undo what Bu$h has brought upon the peoples of this planet. This is why he must not be reelected and given more time to continue his dictatorship.

d.

[ December 14, 2003, 06:46 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by roki:
Also... possibly worth while keeping an eye on the smaller news stories right now to see if they aren't sneaking out some less positive announcements at this time.

roki smile.gif good l@@king out!

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[djyoavb]

let the season's festival begin... graemlins/puke.gif

[djyoavb]

now all we left to do is to capture Bush, Sharon, Arafat and maybe a few more little rats and the world will be able to breath again...

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by djyoavb:
let the season's festival begin... graemlins/puke.gif Greetings djyoavb:

WOW, HALIBURTON WILL NOW GET THE 25 MILLION REWARD! :rolleyes:

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[mdpm99]

Originally posted by djyoavb:
now all we left to do is to capture Bush, Sharon, Arafat and maybe a few more little rats and the world will be able to breath again... Amen

Ps.

Until the WMDs are found, the justification for this endeavor remains missing.

[ December 14, 2003, 07:26 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[djyoavb]

when i saw the way he looked after he was captured and thought about how the media will going to sarcasticaly use it... i mean, what about the criminals of the "free world"?
ok the they captured him, Bush closed the account that his father opend, now what?! to tell u the truth, capturing him made even more mad about "leaders" like Bush or Sharon... graemlins/puke.gif

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by djyoavb:
when i saw the way he looked after he was captured and thought about how the media will going to sarcasticaly use it... i mean, what about the criminals of the "free world"?
ok the they captured him, Bush closed the account that his father opend, now what?! to tell u the truth, capturing him made even more mad about "leaders" like Bush or Sharon... graemlins/puke.gif Greetings djyoavb:


Although I would love to hear what Sadam has to say about his relationship with military contractors and administration officials here, I feel we will be told nothing.

Anyone who thinks that now that Sadam is captured that Iraq will be a cakewalk and the flowers will come out, had better get a primer on the Middle East.

Bush has succeeded in capturing our own creation. Let's not forget that for decades Hussein was supported by the U.S and only when he didn't play the game the way we wanted it did he and his country become the enemy. How many innocent people died for this pitiful "accomplishment"?

Ps.

Just in time to spin this from the pulpits.

[ December 14, 2003, 08:39 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[sammyrock]

Im going to turn on the tube.....Thanks David. smile.gif

[DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)]

"...we don't die, we multiply" holds true regarding the state of worldwide terrorism in all of its' facets.

Someone will be quick to replace him and perhaps even be more of a tyrant than he was (or his sons). Whether it is now or much later.

[djyoavb]

after all... Bushy did it for the Iraqi people graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[Bobby]

You liberals are some of the biggest haters and sore losers I've ever seen. And it's hilarious.
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[jc808]

my observation;

saddam had a nice, timely festive beard

[sezy]

for some reason i am not buying this story. we have no idea if that is really sadam, when these events really occured, if in fact they did. the mass media leaves such a bad taste in my mouth, that i automatically question its motives and wish for the truth.

and don't get me started on haliburton.. making bush's and cheney's pockets fatter. AR15firing.gif

[däp]

i think i'd rather see Bin Laden than Hussein :(

[AK]

Originally posted by Bobby:
You liberals are some of the biggest haters and sore losers I've ever seen. And it's hilarious.
graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/lol.gif Losers? What did "you conservatives" win? We're up to 260 dead American kids now. And for what? To catch Saddam? The same guy the republicans coddled and supported with tons of money and arms, which he used to slaughter countless people. If you think you've won something today, good for you.

[la verde]

Originally posted by AK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bobby:
You liberals are some of the biggest haters and sore losers I've ever seen. And it's hilarious.
graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/lol.gif Losers? What did "you conservatives" win? We're up to 260 dead American kids now. And for what? To catch Saddam? The same guy the republicans coddled and supported with tons of money and arms, which he used to slaughter countless people. If you think you've won something today, good for you. </font>[/QUOTE]"if at 20 you're not a liberal.. you have no heart... if at 30 you are not conservative you are a fool..." or something like that, right?

[DJ Duke]

Originally posted by AK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bobby:
You liberals are some of the biggest haters and sore losers I've ever seen. And it's hilarious.
graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/lol.gif Losers? What did "you conservatives" win? We're up to 260 dead American kids now. And for what? To catch Saddam? The same guy the republicans coddled and supported with tons of money and arms, which he used to slaughter countless people. If you think you've won something today, good for you. </font>[/QUOTE]Small correction... the numbers are about 500 now.

[SPG]

Wow big news! My internet has been down for the past two days. Finally used my company's dial up connection from home.

This is the first topic I saw! I bet Bush is doing backflips in the White House Garden. That fool got lucky!

SPG

[ December 14, 2003, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: SPG ]

[Savoir-Faire]

Geez.
This morning I came in and fell graemlins/sleep2.gif with the TV on. That might explain why when I woke up, that I had remembered a dream that I had helped capture Saddam! I guess I was half asleep...
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[SHEIK YERBOUTI]

Originally posted by SPG:
Wow big news! My internet has been down for the past two days. Finally used the my company's dial up connection from home.

This is the first topic I saw! I bet Bush is doing backflips in the White House Garden. That fool got lucky!

SPG And just in time for the Christmas, Inc. shopping season too! I wonder how much the dow is gonna rise now?

[DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)]

Originally posted by t o r i n:
i think i'd rather see Bin Laden than Hussein :( I agree

[TAB.]

So anyone that disagreed with the way things went down is a Liberal. I guess that means the Independents or undecideds are just confused for fence-sitting. shame on them! choose Now!



Originally posted by Bobby:
You liberals are some of the biggest haters and sore losers I've ever seen. And it's hilarious.
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[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Bobby:
You liberals are some of the biggest haters and sore losers I've ever seen. And it's hilarious.
graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/lol.gif smile.gif Seasons Greetings Bobby:

graemlins/tongueout.gif I was waiting for that one! Still this does not change the fact that we were LIED to nor negate the real reasons why we are there.

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d

[ December 14, 2003, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by C(Sinister):
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by t o r i n:
i think i'd rather see Bin Laden than Hussein :( I agree </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings C(Sinister):

Furrr sure!

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[JMJ]

So what do we charge him with??......JMJ

[TAB.]

If Bob Novak were not considered to be a conservative columnist- an friend of the adminstration- He'd be down at Guantanamo for breaching Nat'l security. Remember the columnist from LA that drew the cartoon featuring Bush with a bullseye on his back? Only the secret service-enlighten as they are- didn't understand until later, after they detained him, that he was expressing his frustration at how his beloved President had become a political 'bullseye' for the instabilty in Iraq.

Once the Adminstration figured it out-such bright people- they release the abviously conservative commentator. No harm done to the Pres after all.



Originally posted by david mancuso:
[When do we get to find out who revealed the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame (Karl Rove) thus compromising national security? A five minute phone call from Asscroft to Robert Novak threatening him with ten years in a federal prison might bring about some answers?

[/QB][/QUOTE]

[djyoavb]

"So what do we charge him with??......JMJ"

treating bad the iraqi people... (Bush the saviour)

[ December 14, 2003, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: djyoavb ]

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by JMJ:
So what do we charge him with??......JMJ Excellent question!!

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[mdpm99]

Originally posted by T.A.B:
If Bob Novak were not considered to be a conservative columnist- an friend of the adminstration- He'd be down at Guantanamo for breaching Nat'l security. Remember the columnist from LA that drew the cartoon featuring Bush with a bullseye on his back? Only the secret service-enlighten as they are- didn't understand until later, after they detained him, that he was expressing his frustration at how his beloved President had become a political 'bullseye' for the instabilty in Iraq.

Once the Adminstration figured it out-such bright people- they release the abviously conservative commentator. No harm done to the Pres after all.


</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
[When do we get to find out who revealed the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame (Karl Rove) thus compromising national security? A five minute phone call from Asscroft to Robert Novak threatening him with ten years in a federal prison might bring about some answers?

</font>[/QUOTE][/QB][/QUOTE]

Seasons Greetings T.A.B:

Your memory serves you well.

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[JMJ]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
So what do we charge him with??......JMJ Excellent question!!

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d </font>[/QUOTE]Other than defending his country against enemy attack (which isn't a crime), what CAN we really charge him with?? This should be interesting......JMJ

[ December 14, 2003, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: JMJ ]

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
So what do we charge him with??......JMJ Excellent question!!

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d </font>[/QUOTE]Other than defending his country against enemy attack (which isn't a crime), what CAN we really charge him with?? This should be interesting......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings Sire:

JMJ, you are so on point! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

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[mdpm99]

YOU WIN REPUBLICANS !!!!!


My fellow Americans, I give up. As requested by President Bush, and most Bush supporters who have been critical of my opinions, I will immediately cease exercising my First Amendment rights. I will cease exercising my rights to assembly and to protest. I will cease exercising my right to petition the government for any redress of grievances. I will also have the Bush regime review and edit all of my articles before I post them for public display. Further, I will become a non-thinking pawn to Bush regime propaganda. I will believe everything that they say. I will not think. I will not question. I will not act. I will just sit back and wave my American flag that was made by slaves in communist China. I will merely be a subject of the state. Yes republicans, thank you for your suggestions. I am sure that I will hurt the terrorists by refusing to exercise the rights guaranteed to me by the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution.

Signed,

A Former Good Citizen...

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[Leslie]

How about they detain Haliburton and give me something to cheer about....they knew where his ass was all along. The media in this country doing its govt's bidding is getting more and more sickening as the days go on.

[SHEIK YERBOUTI]

Originally posted by Leslie:
How about they detain Haliburton and give me something to cheer about....they knew where his ass was all along. The media in this country doing its govt's bidding is getting more and more sickening as the days go on. The dog does it's master's bidding.

WHAT liberal media?

[ December 14, 2003, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: toomuchtv ]

[C hristian]

heard about this on the news today, coming back from VA mountains.

wonder how this will be used for the elections...

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Leslie:
How about they detain Haliburton and give me something to cheer about....they knew where his ass was all along. The media in this country doing its govt's bidding is getting more and more sickening as the days go on. Seasons Greetings Leslie:

May your New Year be a healthy, prosperous, and a musical one!

smile.gif

d

Ps. Yes I totally agree with your sentiments re

Haliburton!

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by C hristian:
heard about this on the news today, coming back from VA mountains.

wonder how this will be used for the elections... Greetings C hristian:

Of course this is a positive for the whole world HOWEVER it is not the ONLY positive and doesn't even begin to negate the other marks on Bush's less than shining record. ( see my earlier post)

d

Ps. Picking up tape Monday....thank you!

[C hristian]

true. it will be another international tribunal, no doubt. a la Milosevic .

PS- great! let me know if that recording is the one.

[DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister)]

76 will see to it that justice shall prevail

[JMJ]

Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister):
76 will see to it that justice shall prevail What justice would that be???.......JMJ

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister):
76 will see to it that justice shall prevail Bush Says Saddam to Face Justice

By DEB RIECHMANN
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - Saddam Hussein now faces the ``justice he denied to millions,'' President Bush said Sunday, declaring a repressive era in Iraq over but cautioning that attacks on U.S.-led troops would continue.

``The capture of this man was crucial to the rise of a free Iraq,'' Bush said in a three-minute televised address from the White House. ``It marks the end of the road for him, and for all who bullied and killed in his name.''

To Iraqis striving for a free society, Bush told them they have ``taken the winning side.'' To Americans, mourning the deaths of more than 450 U.S. soldiers in the war, Bush braced them not to expect an end to the bloodshed.

Saddam will be interrogated about the fate of former government officials and whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction before his ouster. Officials said they want to know how much control Saddam has had over insurgents who have repeatedly targeted U.S.-led coalition troops with car bombs and grenades.

Bush administration officials must decide whether anyone is entitled to the $25 million reward for Saddam's capture and whether he said be handed over to a war crimes tribunal set up by the Iraqis last week.

``Those are discussions we will have with the Iraqi people,'' said White House press secretary Scott McClellan.

The White House hopes Saddam's capture will help fracture an organized resistance of Saddam loyalists and foreign terrorists that has killed more than 190 American soldiers since Bush declared major combat over on May 1. That campaign also has undermined reconstruction efforts.

The situation on the ground was driven home even as Bush spoke to the nation: Large explosions rocked central Baghdad and flames and thick smoke rose from the city. Police officials said three barrels of gasoline mounted on a pickup truck had exploded, it was not clear whether it was an accident. No one was hurt.

Also Sunday, a suicide bombing 50 miles west of Baghdad left more than a dozen Iraqis dead.

In the United States, a senior law enforcement official said there was no immediate intelligence suggesting threatened attacks on American soil and there was no discussion Sunday afternoon about raising the terror alert level in the country.

It was on March 19 that the war began; nine months later, the manhunt for Saddam ended.

Saddam's two sons were killed July 22 in a four-hour gunbattle with U.S. troops. Saddam, by comparison, was taken alive Saturday without resistance, and no gunfire.

Saddam was carrying a pistol and had a scraggly beard when discovered by troops from the 4th Infantry Division. He was hiding in a 6- to 8-foot deep hole.

``Today, many Iraqis can dare to believe what we have said from the beginning - that the era of the brutal dictatorship of Saddam Hussein is over,'' Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said.

Bush shared the news of Saddam's capture, calling the leaders of Britain, Spain, Australia, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Israel, Portugal and Poland.

Though the raid on Saddam came Saturday afternoon American time, U.S. officials went to great lengths to keep it quiet until medical tests and DNA testing confirmed Saddam's identity

At about 3:15 p.m. EST Saturday, Rumsfeld called Bush at Camp David to tell the president that U.S. forces believed they had captured Saddam. McClellan said Rumsfeld and Bush discussed the possibility that the man apprehended might be an impostor, but the president was upbeat: ``This sounds like it's going to be good news.''

Bush then informed Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and first lady Laura Bush, who replied ``Great.''

Confirmation that the man in the hole was indeed Saddam came early Sunday morning when U.S. Iraq administrator L. Paul Bremer called Rice. She relayed the news to Bush in a call at 5:14 a.m. EST.



12/14/03 15:39 EST

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Bobby:
You liberals are some of the biggest haters and sore losers I've ever seen. And it's hilarious.
graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/lol.gif Deep intellectual thought always leaves me in awe...

[The Buddy Love Show]

Now that they have the man himself I anxiously await the disclosure of the whereabouts of the cause d'etre of this war - WMD

But of course , I'm not holding my breath

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Bobby:
You liberals are some of the biggest haters and sore losers I've ever seen. And it's hilarious.
graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/mecry.gif graemlins/lol.gif btw...Whats a "liberal"?...Please define your terms as I don't understand your meaning

[mdpm99]

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we got him!"
Paul Bremmer 12/14/03


Okay, we got him. So what? What did we accomplish by this? We captured a defeated, exhausted, frazzled and broken down man. And if you think for one second that this is going to change the security situation in Iraq, think again. All one has to do is look at the video they've been playing of Saddam all day, to see that he barely has control of his own faculties, much less the widespread, popular insurgency that is directed against the occupation.

If George Bush wants to treat Saddam like a trophy he's won, let him. It won't stop the killing. American GIs will still be blown up by roadside bombs and picked off by RPGs. In the long run, this will have little effect on the future of the war.

THE WAR IS STILL WRONG!

BUSH STILL LIED!

THIS IS NOT JUSTIFICATION!

THIS IS NOT "VICTORY"

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d

"Fear not the path of truth, for the lack of people walking on it."
---Robert F. Kennedy

[ December 14, 2003, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Michael Terzian (Sinister):
76 will see to it that justice shall prevail What justice would that be???.......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]Iraqis Want Saddam Tried in Baghdad

By SLOBODAN LEKIC
.c The Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The interim Iraqi government said Sunday it wants to try Saddam Hussein before a special tribunal, but a human rights group voiced deep concern about the legitimacy of the newly established panel.

The United States reserved judgment.

Iraq's new leaders want Saddam to face the tribunal they established last week specifically to hear cases involving leading members of the Saddam regime accused of genocide and other crimes against humanity.

``We will deal with Saddam Hussein,'' said Adnan Pachachi, a member of the 25-seat interim Governing Council. ``He was an unjust ruler responsible for the deaths of thousands of people.''

Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the top U.S. military commander in Iraq, said the American-led coalition must still decide on Saddam's status.

``At this point, that has not been determined. We continue to process Saddam at this point in time, and those issues will be resolved in the near future,'' Sanchez told reporters at the coalition's Baghdad headquarters.

Before Saddam's capture, top U.S. officials in Baghdad had privately acknowledged the former dictator likely would be handed over to the new Iraqi government to stand trial.

Amnesty International, however, criticized the new Iraqi tribunal as flawed. It demanded that Saddam - as commander in chief of Iraq's armed forces - be classified as a prisoner of war.

The legal codes for the new, five-judge tribunal, were based on international law, including existing U.N. war crimes tribunals - such as those for Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia - and those used by the International Criminal Court.

The newly established tribunal is expected try cases stemming from mass executions of Iraqi Kurds in the 1980s, as well as the suppression of uprisings by Kurds and Shiite Muslims soon after the 1991 Gulf War.

It also will try cases committed against Iran - Iraq's enemy in a bloody 1980-88 war - and against Kuwait, which Iraq invaded in 1990, sparking the Gulf War.

The Governing Council decree establishing the tribunal left a final decision on using the death penalty to a transitional government scheduled to assume full sovereignty by July 1.

``Saddam will stand a public trial so that the Iraqi people will know his crimes,'' said Ahmad Chalabi, another member of the Governing Council.

Human rights activists also welcomed Saddam's arrest because of accusations he committed gross human rights violations, including war crimes and crimes against humanity.

``But like any other criminal suspect he is entitled to all relevant safeguards under international law, including the right not to be subjected to torture or ill-treatment, and of course the right to receive a fair trial, a defense lawyer and the minimum safeguards as any other prisoner,'' said Nicole Shoueiry, a spokeswoman for London-based Amnesty International.

She noted that as Iraq's president, Saddam also had been commander in chief of the military and should therefore be afforded the status a prisoner of war and given prompt access to the international Red Cross.

Human rights groups cautioned that the Iraqi decree establishing the new tribunal was fundamentally flawed because it was proclaimed by an unelected body and without consultation with the Iraqi people or the international community.

Activists also said the decree did not ensure that guilt must be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

``Another concern is the death penalty,'' Shoueiry said. ``He should be punished for his crimes, but the death penalty is not included. That goes without saying.''

Like other human rights groups, Amnesty International is vehemently opposed to capital punishment, and has repeatedly called for the abolition of the death penalty throughout the world.

New York-based Human Rights Watch also warned that the new tribunal law lacked key provisions to ensure legitimate and credible trials.

It also said the authorities must not be allowed to mount a political show trial, adding that foreign prosecutors and investigative judges should be called in because the Iraqi judicial system lacked experience in organizing trials ``lasting more than a few days.''

``It's ... important that the trial is not perceived as vengeful justice,'' said Kenneth Roth, the group's executive director.



12/14/03 16:32 EST

[martino]

One thug less, is one thug less, which is always good.
Of course, The war in iraq is still costing you Two Thousand Dollars a second.
Congrats... I'm sure he won't attack the US ever again now. :rolleyes:

ie. How many lives have been lost for the capture of Santa Claus? This story will get spun into something about being a huge victory in the war on terror. Which it's not. Sorry. Like i say&gt; i think it's good that coward is not in power but at what cost?

[ December 14, 2003, 04:09 PM: Message edited by: martino ]

[Bobby]

btw...Whats a "liberal"?...Please define your terms as I don't understand your meaning Oh that's easy.. it's a person that hates this country for one reason or another but won't leave it, intolerant of other people's beliefs that's in contrast to whatever they believe, and basically whines and complains about any and everything, but never having a realistic solution to any problem.

Look y'all keep spinning that House music ,which I love very much, and let the grown folk deal with the grown folk business. Okay? Okay! graemlins/beerchug.gif

[Bobby]

If people, like the way most of you think controlled this country, we would be seriously "jacked" and I don't mean jacked in the House sense of the term. graemlins/scared.gif

[Brian]

we ARE seriously jacked...

9/11
shit economy
massive protests when our president visits other countries

hello?

[TAB.]

Like those right-wing groups(OKKKlahoma city) that love this country so much they want to see it's government brought down.

Oh wait, that wouldn't be these guys, they do have a solution. it's called blowin shit up.



Originally posted by Bobby:
[Oh that's easy.. it's a person that hates this country for one reason or another but won't leave it, intolerant of other people's beliefs that's in contrast to whatever they believe, and basically whines and complains about any and everything, but never having a realistic solution to any problem.

[/QUOTE]

[altrrdst8]

this means rumsfeld will be released from his box in the pentagon basement.

fuck

[Ken1015]

Originally posted by martino:
ie. How many lives have been lost for the capture of Santa Claus? This story will get spun into something about being a huge victory in the war on terror. Which it's not. Sorry. Like i say&gt; i think it's good that coward is not in power but at what cost? This is so true. They'll talk about about what a major victory this is. Even though we haven't linked him Al Quaida in addition to not finding any WMDs.

[DISKOQUEEN99]

Maybe he'll find a way to kill himself while in custody. They don't mind dying and he probably won't want to give the US the satisfaction of trying him for his crimes. Bush just stated on tv "he tried to kill my dad." His shit is personal. A lot of bad stuff has happened since Bush got in ofc and this capture doesn't change any of that. People are dead and you can't bring them back. Hope he doesn't think this will get him re-elected.

[ December 16, 2003, 06:43 AM: Message edited by: DISKOQUEEN99 ]

[C hristian]

Originally posted by Bobby:
but never having a realistic solution to any problem.It's all right here, buddy, so start reading.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0684862190.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[AK]

Originally posted by Bobby:
If people, like the way most of you think controlled this country, we would be seriously "jacked" and I don't mean jacked in the House sense of the term. graemlins/scared.gif Ah, the key word. Yes, we THINK!

[AK]

Originally posted by DISKOQUEEN99:
Maybe he'll find a way to kill himself while in custody. They don't mind dying and he probably won't want to give the US the satisfaction of trying him for his crimes. Buss just stated on tv "he tried to kill my dad." His shit is personal. A lot of bad stuff has happened since Bush got in ofc and this capture doesn't change any of that. People are dead and you can't bring them back. Hope he doesn't think this will get him re-elected. The saddest thing DQ is that he will more than likely be re-elected.

[grutu]

Never posted here before even thou I've been comin for years. Hard to get past the mixes. ;) So depressed at this news I just have to express my fears somewhere. Appologies in advance 4 my gloominess. For I think we are now doomed to another 4 years of that savage brute from the desert, condemned to wander the Earth as a violent, born-again drunken freak, were it not for chancer's luck & the 74 oil crisis. Sheik Bush. (Power stays in the ruling families in that fundamentalist land).
72% of Americans think that Saddam had a hand in the Twin Towers. I ask U to consider for a moment the breadth & depth of ignorance we are looking at here. Prehaps UR one of them. The most shocking and threatening event in America since Pearl Harbour, and yet the vast majority of this country cannot be bothered to do even the most elementary research into what is going on. It PROVES that the public is, en masse, uninterested in the world beyond its borders, and easily manipulated by the conglomerations of money/power within. WMD will be forgotten. Enough doubt about them will be argued, and anyway, the public doesn't remember longer than 6 months.
Seriously, how do U think this will pan out come election time? Saddam IS, whatever your politics, indeed the worst despot since Pol Pot.
Flags are waving, "America, freedom, The People etc. etc". The desert barbarian will be prancing with that macho walk most of us gave up when we actually became men, acting tough as the bold, heroic "good-doer" who brought Saddam down. Dean was opposed to the war & will get slaughtered for seeming weak. I've got a bad feeling about all this.
If only the c**t had had the decency to kill himself, after telling all his 17-19 year old conscripts to fight to the death. Instead he's found hiding in a hole like a rat, to become the drunk-driver's greatest election PR.


You liberals are some of the biggest haters and sore losers I've ever seen. And it's hilarious.
Iam, fair-play. I hate people like U and kill & eat them on a regular basis, but I dont think that's quite true of the rest of the posters. You must learn to distinguish between hate for hypocracy and injustice (moral concepts), to what U hate (people that "whine alot", "liberals", people that dont move country if they consider the status quo f**ked). (Hatred of PEOPLE, not what they believe). There is a difference. In fact they are not related, as aforementioned "hate" applies only to those who would oppose the spread of LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING. Gloating over the deaths of tens of thousands of humans, as U seem to do, is a sure sign of immaturity and ignorance, and a lack of empathy.
I shouldn't pick on U, (because the reason you're so misinformed is not entirely your fault), but I will, because your intent is so unpleasant and shows such misplaced glee.(Harr,harr, harr).
Your problem, amongst others, is that U dont know the meaning of the words U use. Define liberal.

Oh that's easy.. it's a person that hates this country for one reason or another but won't leave it, intolerant of other people's beliefs that's in contrast to whatever they believe, and basically whines and complains about any and everything, but never having a realistic solution to any problem.Chambers Dictionary: "generous: noble-minded; broad-minded; not bound by authority or traditional orthodoxy; looking to the general or broad sense rather than the literal; candid; free; free from restraint; ample; of studies or education, directed towards the cultivation of the mind for its own sake; disinterested; befitting a freeman or gentleman (n) a person who advocates greater freedom in political instituitions"

Disreputable and foolish qualities indeed. We must learn to more like U:
O.E.D.: Jingo -"Supporter of bellicose policy, blustering patriot".

[Bobby]

Never posted here before even thou I've been comin for years. Hard to get past the mixes. So depressed at this news I just have to express my fears somewhere. Appologies in advance 4 my gloominess. For I think we are now doomed to another 4 years of that savage brute from the desert, condemned to wander the Earth as a violent, born-again drunken freak, were it not for chancer's luck & the 74 oil crisis. Sheik Bush. (Power stays in the ruling families in that fundamentalist land).
72% of Americans think that Saddam had a hand in the Twin Towers. I ask U to consider for a moment the breadth & depth of ignorance we are looking at here. Prehaps UR one of them. The most shocking and threatening event in America since Pearl Harbour, and yet the vast majority of this country cannot be bothered to do even the most elementary research into what is going on. It PROVES that the public is, en masse, uninterested in the world beyond its borders, and easily manipulated by the conglomerations of money/power within. WMD will be forgotten. Enough doubt about them will be argued, and anyway, the public doesn't remember longer than 6 months.
Seriously, how do U think this will pan out come election time? Saddam IS, whatever your politics, indeed the worst despot since Pol Pot.
Flags are waving, "America, freedom, The People etc. etc". The desert barbarian will be prancing with that macho walk most of us gave up when we actually became men, acting tough as the bold, heroic "good-doer" who brought Saddam down. Dean was opposed to the war & will get slaughtered for seeming weak. I've got a bad feeling about all this.
If only the c**t had had the decency to kill himself, after telling all his 17-19 year old conscripts to fight to the death. Instead he's found hiding in a hole like a rat, to become the drunk-driver's greatest election PR.


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You liberals are some of the biggest haters and sore losers I've ever seen. And it's hilarious.

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Iam, fair-play. I hate people like U and kill & eat them on a regular basis, but I dont think that's quite true of the rest of the posters. You must learn to distinguish between hate for hypocracy and injustice (moral concepts), to what U hate (people that "whine alot", "liberals", people that dont move country if they consider the status quo f**ked). (Hatred of PEOPLE, not what they believe). There is a difference. In fact they are not related, as aforementioned "hate" applies only to those who would oppose the spread of LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING. Gloating over the deaths of tens of thousands of humans, as U seem to do, is a sure sign of immaturity and ignorance, and a lack of empathy.
I shouldn't pick on U, (because the reason you're so misinformed is not entirely your fault), but I will, because your intent is so unpleasant and shows such misplaced glee.(Harr,harr, harr).
Your problem, amongst others, is that U dont know the meaning of the words U use. Define liberal.

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Oh that's easy.. it's a person that hates this country for one reason or another but won't leave it, intolerant of other people's beliefs that's in contrast to whatever they believe, and basically whines and complains about any and everything, but never having a realistic solution to any problem.
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Chambers Dictionary: "generous: noble-minded; broad-minded; not bound by authority or traditional orthodoxy; looking to the general or broad sense rather than the literal; candid; free; free from restraint; ample; of studies or education, directed towards the cultivation of the mind for its own sake; disinterested; befitting a freeman or gentleman (n) a person who advocates greater freedom in political instituitions"

Disreputable and foolish qualities indeed. We must learn to more like U:
O.E.D.: Jingo -"Supporter of bellicose policy, blustering patriot". Goodness that's a lot of hot air, oh and let me add "arrogant" as another definition of a liberal. It's funny you bring up the definition of liberal because a lot of definitions changed as the years went on. That definition you just posted definitely doesn't fit you or your kind. Just like the word "gay" used to mean something entirely different but now .....that's a whole other thread.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Bobby:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> btw...Whats a "liberal"?...Please define your terms as I don't understand your meaning Oh that's easy.. it's a person that hates this country for one reason or another but won't leave it, intolerant of other people's beliefs that's in contrast to whatever they believe, and basically whines and complains about any and everything, but never having a realistic solution to any problem.

Look y'all keep spinning that House music ,which I love very much, and let the grown folk deal with the grown folk business. Okay? Okay! graemlins/beerchug.gif </font>[/QUOTE]like i said, deep intellectual thought always leaves me in awe

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[ December 14, 2003, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Bobby:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Never posted here before even thou I've been comin for years. Hard to get past the mixes. So depressed at this news I just have to express my fears somewhere. Appologies in advance 4 my gloominess. For I think we are now doomed to another 4 years of that savage brute from the desert, condemned to wander the Earth as a violent, born-again drunken freak, were it not for chancer's luck & the 74 oil crisis. Sheik Bush. (Power stays in the ruling families in that fundamentalist land).
72% of Americans think that Saddam had a hand in the Twin Towers. I ask U to consider for a moment the breadth & depth of ignorance we are looking at here. Prehaps UR one of them. The most shocking and threatening event in America since Pearl Harbour, and yet the vast majority of this country cannot be bothered to do even the most elementary research into what is going on. It PROVES that the public is, en masse, uninterested in the world beyond its borders, and easily manipulated by the conglomerations of money/power within. WMD will be forgotten. Enough doubt about them will be argued, and anyway, the public doesn't remember longer than 6 months.
Seriously, how do U think this will pan out come election time? Saddam IS, whatever your politics, indeed the worst despot since Pol Pot.
Flags are waving, "America, freedom, The People etc. etc". The desert barbarian will be prancing with that macho walk most of us gave up when we actually became men, acting tough as the bold, heroic "good-doer" who brought Saddam down. Dean was opposed to the war & will get slaughtered for seeming weak. I've got a bad feeling about all this.
If only the c**t had had the decency to kill himself, after telling all his 17-19 year old conscripts to fight to the death. Instead he's found hiding in a hole like a rat, to become the drunk-driver's greatest election PR.


quote:
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You liberals are some of the biggest haters and sore losers I've ever seen. And it's hilarious.

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Iam, fair-play. I hate people like U and kill & eat them on a regular basis, but I dont think that's quite true of the rest of the posters. You must learn to distinguish between hate for hypocracy and injustice (moral concepts), to what U hate (people that "whine alot", "liberals", people that dont move country if they consider the status quo f**ked). (Hatred of PEOPLE, not what they believe). There is a difference. In fact they are not related, as aforementioned "hate" applies only to those who would oppose the spread of LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING. Gloating over the deaths of tens of thousands of humans, as U seem to do, is a sure sign of immaturity and ignorance, and a lack of empathy.
I shouldn't pick on U, (because the reason you're so misinformed is not entirely your fault), but I will, because your intent is so unpleasant and shows such misplaced glee.(Harr,harr, harr).
Your problem, amongst others, is that U dont know the meaning of the words U use. Define liberal.

quote:
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Oh that's easy.. it's a person that hates this country for one reason or another but won't leave it, intolerant of other people's beliefs that's in contrast to whatever they believe, and basically whines and complains about any and everything, but never having a realistic solution to any problem.
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Chambers Dictionary: "generous: noble-minded; broad-minded; not bound by authority or traditional orthodoxy; looking to the general or broad sense rather than the literal; candid; free; free from restraint; ample; of studies or education, directed towards the cultivation of the mind for its own sake; disinterested; befitting a freeman or gentleman (n) a person who advocates greater freedom in political instituitions"

Disreputable and foolish qualities indeed. We must learn to more like U:
O.E.D.: Jingo -"Supporter of bellicose policy, blustering patriot". Goodness that's a lot of hot air, oh and let me add "arrogant" as another definition of a liberal. It's funny you bring up the definition of liberal because a lot of definitions changed as the years went on. That definition you just posted definitely doesn't fit you or your kind. Just like the word "gay" used to mean something entirely different but now .....that's a whole other thread. </font>[/QUOTE]uh huh

to help in your search of a clue

Famous "Liberals"

MLK
Mother Jones
John Maynard Keynes
Paul Wellstone
Robert Kennedy
John F Kennedy
Frederick Douglass
Eleanor Roosevelt
Thurgood Marshall

all well known malingerers and nation haters

I threw a curve in there, can you spot it? I'd gasp if ya could

[ December 14, 2003, 10:53 PM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]

[JMNYC]

I was preparing a response to Bobby's post, but realized that ignorance speaks so much better for itself.

[Bobby]

Some of the people you listed are lot more respectable than the libs today.

[C hristian]

Bobby, are you gonna go get the book? Soul of Capitalism? Should be available in hardback at any of the major bookstores right now, or Amazon. I'd throw out quotes, but really, the whole damn book is a quote worth reading! Besides, I've tried to thorw out quotes from it before. I never feel satisfied doing it.

[mdpm99]

POWELL, 2/24/2001: "He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction."
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2001/933.htm

[DJ76]

Originally posted by JMJ:
So what do we charge him with??......JMJ We do nothing.

We let the Iraqis take care of their own problem. If we want them to move ahead, they must take care of their internal issues.

We know Iraqis have a long history, longer than most nations in this world. They're capable of doing what's necessary to "bring justice". Sure won't bring back the lost lives

[AD]

Something tells me that him being captured alive is gonna make things worse for us, the Iraqis, and any country's citizens with a government that supported the US war against Iraq. One of the worst end results will probably be another four years of retard boy in the oval office.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Albert Diaz:
Something tells me that him being captured alive is gonna make things worse for us, the Iraqis, and any country's citizens with a government that supported the US war against Iraq. One of the worst end results will probably be another four years of retard boy in the oval office. Greetings Albert:

I agree re: 'tard. But at the same time there are so many other issues too re this admistration.
Weapons of Mass Distraction is their game.

d.

Ps.

So far it has cost us over 65 billion dollars to get him, ..a bit high I would say. Furthermore the bill will be passed down to our great grand children ....which is illegal, as it will be "taxation without representation."

[ December 15, 2003, 06:18 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[AD]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
"taxation without representation." You got that right!

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DJ76:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
So what do we charge him with??......JMJ We do nothing.

We let the Iraqis take care of their own problem. If we want them to move ahead, they must take care of their internal issues.

We know Iraqis have a long history, longer than most nations in this world. They're capable of doing what's necessary to "bring justice". Sure won't bring back the lost lives </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings:

You have a strong and worth while point re: "Iraqis have a long history, longer than most nations in this world."

The fact is nowhere will he find on this planet an "impartial" jury. Especially here in America where he has already been tried. Maybe the only way to make it as "fair as possible" is to do like they did with the nazi's when they brought them to court after world war 2.

d

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Bobby:
Some of the people you listed are lot more respectable than the libs today. So I guess the response means you don't see the twist I put into my list. Thats typical of the preprogrammed to speak without thinking Pavlovianism present in this country. People throw around terms with no thought given to meaning or politcal/economic ramifications.

Since you are at a loss go ask Rush ( Crackhead) Limbaugh, maybe he'll be sober today.

[Dj Pat]

Ok, so whats next?
The US have a tendency to make things better than what they realy is. I think that By the US catching Sadam isnt going to be the turning point of the War, he preety much knows nothing but they didnt have any w.o.m.d from begin with, and Bush knew that. There is still going to be the lost of US lives over there and everyone knows that, isnt that what matters most?
And would somebody please take fox news network off the air!?!?!?!?!!!!
50% of the US are brain wash, yet what we went to war for is still in Question.
I think that it was good that he didnt give a fight, the US wanted him dead to bypass a trail.
Hopefully, nations will come togather on this to give him a fair trail, I wish it could be said the same about a fair war.

Dj Pat
Physical
Heat
Music

[SPG]

Who gets the bounty for finding him?

SPG

[martino]

The only thing that interests me about this whole deal is this "trial". I wonder if it's gonna happen (or will saddam be taken out by an angry "citizen"). He's got a lot of dirt to dish regarding old pals like Rumsfield, and countries that sold him the equipment to make those WMD he used to have, which was the excuse for the invasion.

[MarkK]

Seperated at birth?

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Music/Garcia/JerryClosup60.GIF

[DJ76]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
So what do we charge him with??......JMJ We do nothing.

We let the Iraqis take care of their own problem. If we want them to move ahead, they must take care of their internal issues.

We know Iraqis have a long history, longer than most nations in this world. They're capable of doing what's necessary to "bring justice". Sure won't bring back the lost lives </font>[/QUOTE]Greetings:

You have a strong and worth while point re: "Iraqis have a long history, longer than most nations in this world."

The fact is nowhere will he find on this planet an "impartial" jury. Especially here in America where he has already been tried. Maybe the only way to make it as "fair as possible" is to do like they did with the nazi's when they brought them to court after world war 2.

d </font>[/QUOTE]That's it. They held trials in Nurnberg after WWII, they should do the same. The only problem with Nurnberg was that it was victor's justice, so, like you said they have to make it as fair as possible. Will they apply death penalty? What position is their judicial system going to adopt? It should be interesting.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by MarkK:
Seperated at birth?

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Music/Garcia/JerryClosup60.GIF graemlins/rofl.gif

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by SPG:
Who gets the bounty for finding him?

SPG Haliburton smile.gif

[Jamie 3:26]

I am sticking to what I said awhile back.This was Bushs' trump card.They have been holding on to sadaam and needed to drop his capture when shit was not looking good for them.The assholes are goiing to be in office for another 4 years.

The real deal should be us focusing on all of the loot going to Cheney's company haliburton...25 billion if I am not mistaken.

The video and everything else just looks so suspect to me.I am not about to cheer for this shit,because it's shady as hell.

I just do not trust politicians in this cuntry.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Jamie 3:26:
I am sticking to what I said awhile back.This was Bushs' trump card.They have been holding on to sadaam and needed to drop his capture when shit was not looking good for them.The assholes are goiing to be in office for another 4 years.

The real deal should be us focusing on all of the loot going to Cheney's company haliburton...25 billion if I am not mistaken.

The video and everything else just looks so suspect to me.I am not about to cheer for this shit,because it's shady as hell.

I just do not trust politicians in this cuntry. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

d

Ps.

As presented to the American people by our president, the invasion and occupation of Iraq was an essential component of the “war on terror,” itself the linchpin of the vague, impossibly broad, and hyper-aggressive Bush doctrine that the president had formulated publicly in the days after 9/11.

http://www.alternet.org/fivelies/

[ December 15, 2003, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[SPG]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPG:
Who gets the bounty for finding him?

SPG Haliburton smile.gif </font>[/QUOTE]HA! :D

SPG

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bobby:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Never posted here before even thou I've been comin for years. Hard to get past the mixes. So depressed at this news I just have to express my fears somewhere. Appologies in advance 4 my gloominess. For I think we are now doomed to another 4 years of that savage brute from the desert, condemned to wander the Earth as a violent, born-again drunken freak, were it not for chancer's luck & the 74 oil crisis. Sheik Bush. (Power stays in the ruling families in that fundamentalist land).
72% of Americans think that Saddam had a hand in the Twin Towers. I ask U to consider for a moment the breadth & depth of ignorance we are looking at here. Prehaps UR one of them. The most shocking and threatening event in America since Pearl Harbour, and yet the vast majority of this country cannot be bothered to do even the most elementary research into what is going on. It PROVES that the public is, en masse, uninterested in the world beyond its borders, and easily manipulated by the conglomerations of money/power within. WMD will be forgotten. Enough doubt about them will be argued, and anyway, the public doesn't remember longer than 6 months.
Seriously, how do U think this will pan out come election time? Saddam IS, whatever your politics, indeed the worst despot since Pol Pot.
Flags are waving, "America, freedom, The People etc. etc". The desert barbarian will be prancing with that macho walk most of us gave up when we actually became men, acting tough as the bold, heroic "good-doer" who brought Saddam down. Dean was opposed to the war & will get slaughtered for seeming weak. I've got a bad feeling about all this.
If only the c**t had had the decency to kill himself, after telling all his 17-19 year old conscripts to fight to the death. Instead he's found hiding in a hole like a rat, to become the drunk-driver's greatest election PR.


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You liberals are some of the biggest haters and sore losers I've ever seen. And it's hilarious.

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Iam, fair-play. I hate people like U and kill & eat them on a regular basis, but I dont think that's quite true of the rest of the posters. You must learn to distinguish between hate for hypocracy and injustice (moral concepts), to what U hate (people that "whine alot", "liberals", people that dont move country if they consider the status quo f**ked). (Hatred of PEOPLE, not what they believe). There is a difference. In fact they are not related, as aforementioned "hate" applies only to those who would oppose the spread of LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING. Gloating over the deaths of tens of thousands of humans, as U seem to do, is a sure sign of immaturity and ignorance, and a lack of empathy.
I shouldn't pick on U, (because the reason you're so misinformed is not entirely your fault), but I will, because your intent is so unpleasant and shows such misplaced glee.(Harr,harr, harr).
Your problem, amongst others, is that U dont know the meaning of the words U use. Define liberal.

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Oh that's easy.. it's a person that hates this country for one reason or another but won't leave it, intolerant of other people's beliefs that's in contrast to whatever they believe, and basically whines and complains about any and everything, but never having a realistic solution to any problem.
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Chambers Dictionary: "generous: noble-minded; broad-minded; not bound by authority or traditional orthodoxy; looking to the general or broad sense rather than the literal; candid; free; free from restraint; ample; of studies or education, directed towards the cultivation of the mind for its own sake; disinterested; befitting a freeman or gentleman (n) a person who advocates greater freedom in political instituitions"

Disreputable and foolish qualities indeed. We must learn to more like U:
O.E.D.: Jingo -"Supporter of bellicose policy, blustering patriot". Goodness that's a lot of hot air, oh and let me add "arrogant" as another definition of a liberal. It's funny you bring up the definition of liberal because a lot of definitions changed as the years went on. That definition you just posted definitely doesn't fit you or your kind. Just like the word "gay" used to mean something entirely different but now .....that's a whole other thread. </font>[/QUOTE]uh huh

to help in your search of a clue

Famous "Liberals"

MLK
Mother Jones
John Maynard Keynes
Paul Wellstone
Robert Kennedy
John F Kennedy
Frederick Douglass
Eleanor Roosevelt
Thurgood Marshall

all well known malingerers and nation haters

I threw a curve in there, can you spot it? I'd gasp if ya could </font>[/QUOTE]Still not up to the challenge?...One of these people can be considered as the founder of modern "liberal" macroeconomic thought as it applies to the positions of the right and the left. it has a direct bearing on the conservative "supply side" agenda that the right wing of the republican party has pushed for twenty years ( a lil mo for your education, these policies were labelled as "voodoo economics" by George Bush Sr way back in the 1980 presidential campaign season)

how does it apply here...well if you use a term to attack a position you should damn well know what the term means or else your just a puppet with a hand up its ass...in fact puppets have a leg up as they aren't blessed with benefit of a brain...whats our excuse?

[mdpm99]

Greetings St Magus the Reviled:


Once again you made my day!

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[shannoneileen]

just found this on disinformation.com... probably old news to most...

'Five Lies' Excerpt: Bait and Switch

By Christopher Scheer, Robert Scheer and Lakshmi Chaudhry, AlterNet
December 14, 2003

This excerpt from "The Five Biggest Lies Bush Told Us About Iraq" is taken from the book's first chapter.


As presented to the American people by our president, the invasion and occupation of Iraq was an essential component of the “war on terror,” itself the linchpin of the vague, impossibly broad, and hyper-aggressive Bush doctrine that the president had formulated publicly in the days after 9/11.


At its root, these stratagems were supposed to make Americans safer, although Bush’s language – full of John Wayne colloquialisms like “smoke ’em out” and “hunt ’em down” – often seemed much more reminiscent of the exhortations of a vengeful jihadi cleric than that of a confident and protective patriarch, as he seemed to aspire to appear. After resounding military victories in Afghanistan and Iraq, by late spring 2003, many in the White House were exuberant and willing to say off the record that the now-famous photo of Bush striding across the deck of an aircraft carrier in full Top Gun gear would be Exhibit #1 in the 2004 presidential campaign. As it turns out, they were celebrating too soon.


Much of what has ensued is now familiar ground for those who have been following current events, and all too obviously similar to previous colonial debacles: the confusing blend of spontaneous local opposition and disciplined guerrilla organizations, economic and political chaos, and a “checkpoint culture” of tense, dangerous engagements between foreign troops and native civilians that wears on both. Instead of making us look strong, we have exposed the limits of raw power to make history.


In his eloquent February 27, 2003 letter of resignation to Secretary of State Colin Powell, diplomat John Brady Kiesling, who had served under four presidents, made a prescient warning about what lay beneath the White House’s hubris, as well as how it threatened the very United States leadership in global affairs it claimed to exemplify:


The September 11 tragedy left us stronger than before, rallying around us a vast international coalition to cooperate for the first time in a systematic way against the threat of terrorism. But rather than take credit for those successes and build on them, this administration has chosen to make terrorism a domestic political tool, enlisting a scattered and largely defeated Al Qaeda as its bureaucratic ally. We spread disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of terrorism and Iraq. The result, and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking public wealth to the military and to weaken the safeguards that protect American citizens from the heavy hand of government. September 11 did not do as much damage to the fabric of American society as we seem determined to do to ourselves . . .


We are straining beyond its limits an international system we built with such toil and treasure, a web of laws, treaties, organizations, and shared values that sets limits on our foes far more effectively than it ever constrained America’s ability to defend its interests.


This war was no gimme, however. There was considerable resistance outside of Washington to go to war without the cloak of United Nations cooperation and/or a broad coalition of real allies. And, as we have seen, even some powerful figures inside the Beltway, such as Scowcroft and Zinni, were publicly opposed to it.


To steer the United States into a preemptive war with a country 6,000 miles away, the Bush administration had to establish five key “facts” in the public’s mind as a precursor to deploying hundreds of thousands of troops and spending billions of dollars in the effort:


1. Iraq had something to do with 9/11 and/or Al Qaeda.


2. Iraq illegally possessed chemical and biological weapons which were a threat to the United States and/or its allies.


3. Iraq was fast pursuing and might even already possess the means to build and deliver a nuclear bomb.


4. Occupying Iraq would not only be a “cakewalk,” but we would also find in the aftermath a nation full of people who would welcome us and cooperate fully in the rebuilding of their country.


5. Iraq was a nation which, with U.S. aid and guidance, could within a short time become a democratic model for the rest of the region.


These five lies were hardly arbitrary, but chosen with a clear under-standing of what it takes to overcome the innate isolationism of Americans. To wage war, the American public needs to feel an immediate sense of clear and present danger, be it Pearl Harbor or the menacing presence of Soviet nuclear weapons placed in Cuba. We are poorly educated about the world beyond, but have an innate grasp of power relationships, understanding that if you can’t hurt us we don’t have to think much about you.


The fact that Iraq holds under its dry soil the world’s second largest oil reserves only complicated the pitch for occupation: Americans don’t like to think of themselves as imperialists, getting their hands dirty to secure wealth. Thanks to our history as a former colony, U.S. foreign policy has always been clothed in the rhetoric of moral exceptional-ism – the idea that wars must be undertaken at least partly for the greater good of humanity.


The larger vision behind the invasion of Iraq – as the first step toward the creation of a new American empire – was unlikely to win a ringing endorsement from a nation that likes to think of itself always as the “good guy in the white hat.” Despite Saddam’s many excesses, most Americans wouldn’t have minded if Saddam Hussein were to be overthrown, choke on a pretzel, or be stoned for adultery – and all Iraq’s oil siphoned into the Great Lakes, for that matter – but they were damned unlikely to want to risk American lives to accomplish any of it.


And then, after the unbelievable horror of 9/11, shocked out of our post–Cold War illusion of omnipotence, Americans – whether liberal or conservative – sought security, revenge, and reaffirmation of our long-held belief that we are the world’s beacon of light. Faced with these strong and often conflicting emotions, the White House offered a simple panacea: an open-ended “war on terror,” posed as a new “crusade” to wreak havoc on America’s enemies and anybody who would harbor them. U.S. presidents know that to sell a war to the American people, they need at least two basic ingredients: self-defense and moral duty. In terrorism, the Bush administration found the perfect enemy – shadowy, insubstantial, and infinitely malleable to interpretation. In his 2002 State of the Union speech, flushed with the resounding victory in Afghanistan, Bush proclaimed:


“Thousands of dangerous killers, schooled in the methods of murder, often supported by outlaw regimes, are now spread throughout the world like ticking time bombs, set to go off without warning....These enemies view the entire world as a battlefield, and we must pursue them wherever they are. So long as training camps operate, so long as nations harbor terrorists, freedom is at risk and America and our allies must not, and will not, allow it.”


Forget the Taliban. It was now time for a full-blown “axis of evil,” a wish list of targets that could be picked off one by one in this unending war; unfortunately for Saddam, Iraq was #1. Over the coming year, the Bush administration would persistently work to convince the American public that: one, Saddam has already attacked the United States through his connections with Al Qaeda; and two, he could and would do so again using biological and chemical weapons or, if we were to waste any more time, a nuclear bomb.


In chapters two, three, and four, we deconstruct each of these myths – Saddam’s link to Al Qaeda, his threatening stash of bio-chemical weapons, and his nuclear weapons program – in detail. As these chapters reveal, the Bush administration did not have good evidence to support its allegations. It instead combined vague assertions, outright falsehoods, and exaggerated rhetoric that were repeated over and over again until they were established as “facts” in the public debate.


While establishing Saddam’s credentials as a terrorist required “imaginative” uses of intelligence, the moral card was much easier to play in the post-9/11 era. The national tragedy brought out the uglier side of American exceptionalism: the need to objectify entire nations as “evil.” Whatever the motives for war, Americans have always needed to believe in their righteousness in waging it.


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