YOU TOO CAN MAKE FUN OF NIGGERS!!!

[Bold Soul]

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0328099/C101-12.jpg

Hey buddy - I know you. You were both afraid and fascinated by street life. You saw movies like "Breakin'" and "Beat Street" and wanted to be just like those dirty black kids who spun on their backs. MC Serch and Michael Rappaport are your idols.

Problem is, you always got beat up by the people you wanted to emulate. You were tired of explaining the concept of a nuclear family. You got tired of buying all the malt liquor and weed (and why not - your mom only gives you so much allowance). None of these ghetto ****s appreciated your PBS references. And those backspins were hell on your pelvic region.

So And there's the problem: How can I get back at the niggers and be a nigger all at the same time?"

WELL, HERE'S YOUR ANSWER! Just make certain that everyone sees you as the all-around, sardonicly hip white muthafuka in the crew. Camoflague your intention to take those fcuking blacks to task by making certain everyone knows you aren't racist - JUST WITTY!

Make certain you use phrases like:

"I'm not racist. I hate everyone," and "Niggers aren't just black. Anyone can be a nigger." (It's okay - you've had the hots for a black girl and shoplifted once. You can use the word now.)

Make certain you post observations about black people that point the finger through rhetorical questions.

http://www.kkk.com/DzlItem510.jpg

"So...are you saying that blacks don't enjoy fried chicken and watermelon?"

Assert that you have a black friend, family member or church leader and you therefore understand.

And, most importantly, paise those black bitches and bastards who appreciate your acidic scorn cloaked in humor. It makes the other niggers go crazy.

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2587/amos1j.jpg

I don't know what the problem is? I thought it was funny!

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2587/saphir1j.jpg

Me too! Tell them smat niggas to shut up and let the white boy keep jokin'!


Soon you can move on to all the other races your parents taught you to fear and hate, and those dumb niggers on your side will laugh right along with you.

Take it from me - it works.

[ July 10, 2003, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0328099/C101-12.jpg

Hey buddy - I know you. You were both afraid and fascinated by street life. You saw movies like "Breakin'" and "Beat Street" and wanted to be just like those dirty black kids who spun on their backs. MC Serch and Michael Rappaport are your idols.

Problem is, you always got beat up by the people you wanted to emulate. You were tired of explaining the concept of a nuclear family. You got tired of buying all the malt liquor and weed (and why not - your mom only gives you so much allowance). None of these ghetto ****s appreciated your PBS references. And those backspins were hell on your pelvic region.

So And there's the problem: How can I get back at the niggers and be a nigger all at the same time?"

WELL, HERE'S YOUR ANSWER! Just make certain that everyone sees you as the all-around, sardonicly hip white muthafuka in the crew. Camoflague your intention to take those fcuking blacks to task by making certain everyone knows you aren't racist - JUST WITTY!

Make certain you use phrases like:

"I'm not racist. I hate everyone," and "Niggers aren't just black. Anyone can be a nigger." (It's okay - you've had the hots for a black girl and shoplifted once. You can use the word now.)

Make certain you post observations about black people that point the finger through rhetorical questions.

Assert that you have a black friend, family member or church leader and you therefore understand.

And, most importantly, paise those black bitches and bastards who appreciate your acidic scorn cloaked in humor. It makes the other niggers go crazy.

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2587/amos1j.jpg

I don't know what the problem is? I thought it was funny!

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2587/saphir1j.jpg

Me too! Tell them smat niggas to shut up and let the white boy keep jokin'!


Soon you can move on to all the other races your parents taught you to fear and hate, and those dumb niggers on your side will laugh right along with you.

Take it from me - it works. i aint worthy to lick your boots...ROTFLMAO!!!!!

the creativity

the audacity

the solid backhand followed by a winner at the net

oh my G-D

post of the year

BRAVO

[The Buddy Love Show]

i truly cannot stop laughing...this blows away anything i have ever done

[mhd]

i don't know, both of you cats are on fire, its like lenny bruce, dick gregory, paul mooney, and james baldwin up in here

[Bill Blake]

It should be a film

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
It should be a film Just finished putting it in script format. I'm going to the comedy clubs tonight to cast it. It starts shooting next week and you can find it on the new boldsoul.com really soon.

[ July 10, 2003, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

[Moksha]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
It should be a film It is: It's called Bamboozled.

[mhd]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
It should be a film It is: It's called Bamboozled. </font>[/QUOTE]its called "White Boys"

[The Buddy Love Show]

bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

sweet jeezus my ass is gonna die from laughing

i forgot to praise the archival research

this shit is the Neutron bomb of posts...spare noone and leaves the site intact

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
It should be a film It is: It's called Bamboozled. </font>[/QUOTE]No I think you got it confused with

8 mile

['Magic' Juan]

No, no ... I think he is thinking of "Bulworth."

magic_juan

[daniel]

naw, what bold soul is talking about is basically Michael's struggle in The Lost Boys.

[Moksha]

I think both films cover what Bold is on about.

I didn't like "White Boys." There's something about Danny Hoch's style that seems really amateurish to me.

"Bamboozled" was the best film of the year it came out...and quite probably better than every film since.

[daniel]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:


"Bamboozled" was the best film of the year it came out...and quite probably better than every film since. are you kidding? that movie sucked.

stop trying to be down, peachfuzz.

[Moksha]

Originally posted by daniel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:


"Bamboozled" was the best film of the year it came out...and quite probably better than every film since. are you kidding? that movie sucked.

stop trying to be down, peachfuzz. </font>[/QUOTE]Ummm...I have been big-upping the film since it came out.

Name a better film that has been made since.... The only candidate I can think of is Requiem for a Dream.

I don't know why I'm asking you...You thought Super Troopers was brilliant, didn't ya Farva?

[The Buddy Love Show]

like i said this thread is the neutron bomb


as such i vow to not use the term "nigger" on this board again....cause while we might understand its usage (or not) others will try to take liberties ( as in why Jesse can't say Hymietown yet i hear the term in Boro Park)

I will say those ghetto ass blacks make me REEEEALLLLLY FUGGIN ANGRY though

frigging hilarious and heavy

sheeeyit

i gotta say this is the thread of the year

[daniel]

read: "stop trying to be down"

both lord of the rings movies and mulholland drive were better than bamboozled. and yes, super troopers was hella better than it too.

i bet you loved Soul Man too, right playa?

[Moksha]

Your accusations (and film preferences) are such bullshit that I don't think it's worth an argument, Farva.

[The Buddy Love Show]

In fact this thread is even heavier by thinking about the peeps who WON"T respond to it (cause you know they have read it cause the n word is like honey to a bee for them)


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

damn this shit is deeeeeep

[mhd]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
In fact this thread is even heavier by thinking about the peeps who WON"T respond to it (cause you know they have read it cause the n word is like honey to a bee for them)


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

damn this shit is deeeeeep word

[jimmymack-2000]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
In fact this thread is even heavier by thinking about the peeps who WON"T respond to it (cause you know they have read it cause the n word is like honey to a bee for them)


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

damn this shit is deeeeeep What about all the people who share your melanin whom you've offended through your casual use of the word? I'm sure many find you no less odious than some "cracker" spouting off...

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
In fact this thread is even heavier by thinking about the peeps who WON"T respond to it (cause you know they have read it cause the n word is like honey to a bee for them)


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

damn this shit is deeeeeep What about all the people who share your melanin whom you've offended through your casual use of the word? I'm sure many find you no less odious than some "cracker" spouting off... </font>[/QUOTE]And like I said before, where are you when these Junior Grade Howard Sterns of the DHP are openly attacking blacks?

[darrow]

i must not be up on some pop culture. who is in that first picture...the guy with the two ladies?

[daniel]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
Your accusations (and film preferences) are such bullshit that I don't think it's worth an argument, Farva. shut up cracka!

and you've beaten someone else's joke into the ground, but then again, you worked at mixer and were used to riding other people's (re: urb) shit.

[daniel]

Originally posted by darrow:
i must not be up on some pop culture. who is in that first picture...the guy with the two ladies? lennox with leslie and tam tam.

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by darrow:
i must not be up on some pop culture. who is in that first picture...the guy with the two ladies? A movie picture still from a serious cinematic inquiry into the complicated phenomena of race and how it is interwoven in the fabric of America.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
In fact this thread is even heavier by thinking about the peeps who WON"T respond to it (cause you know they have read it cause the n word is like honey to a bee for them)


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

damn this shit is deeeeeep What about all the people who share your melanin whom you've offended through your casual use of the word? I'm sure many find you no less odious than some "cracker" spouting off... </font>[/QUOTE]another evelyn wood graduate huh?
maybe you missed this...

like i said this thread is the neutron bomb
as such i vow to not use the term "nigger" on this board again....cause while we might understand its usage (or not) others will try to take liberties ( as in why Jesse can't say Hymietown yet i hear the term in Boro Park)
I will say those ghetto ass blacks make me REEEEALLLLLY FUGGIN ANGRY though
frigging hilarious and heavy
sheeeyit
i gotta say this is the thread of the year

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
In fact this thread is even heavier by thinking about the peeps who WON"T respond to it (cause you know they have read it cause the n word is like honey to a bee for them)


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

damn this shit is deeeeeep What about all the people who share your melanin whom you've offended through your casual use of the word? I'm sure many find you no less odious than some "cracker" spouting off... </font>[/QUOTE]And like I said before, where are you when these Junior Grade Howard Sterns of the DHP are openly attacking blacks? </font>[/QUOTE]he was doing the sellout negro hustle (do da hustle)...cause he was on that thread where donger put up the pic a few weeks back and never said word one about it on this or any other thread...but i guess he didn't find that picture "odious"....proving bold souls point and not even knowing it

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
In fact this thread is even heavier by thinking about the peeps who WON"T respond to it (cause you know they have read it cause the n word is like honey to a bee for them)


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

damn this shit is deeeeeep What about all the people who share your melanin whom you've offended through your casual use of the word? I'm sure many find you no less odious than some "cracker" spouting off... </font>[/QUOTE]And like I said before, where are you when these Junior Grade Howard Sterns of the DHP are openly attacking blacks? </font>[/QUOTE]he was doing the sellout negro hustle (do da hustle)...cause he was on that thread where donger put up the pic a few weeks back and never said word one about it on this or any other thread...but i guess he didn't find that picture "odious"....proving bold souls point and not even knowing it </font>[/QUOTE]sorry i had to get archival on your ass

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
In fact this thread is even heavier by thinking about the peeps who WON"T respond to it (cause you know they have read it cause the n word is like honey to a bee for them)


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

damn this shit is deeeeeep What about all the people who share your melanin whom you've offended through your casual use of the word? I'm sure many find you no less odious than some "cracker" spouting off... </font>[/QUOTE]And like I said before, where are you when these Junior Grade Howard Sterns of the DHP are openly attacking blacks? </font>[/QUOTE].cause he was on that thread where donger put up the pic a few weeks back and never said word one about it on this or any other thread...but i guess he didn't find that picture "odious"...

[ July 10, 2003, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]

[The Buddy Love Show]

[ July 10, 2003, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]

[jimmymack-2000]

Confession: I dislike all of it. It makes me cringe. Donger is transparent: most people know he's white (or at least I thought they did). You, on the other hand, are giving free rein to any white fools who are inclined to throw the n-word around through your aggressive use of it, in my opinion.

[drilla]

Originally posted by daniel:
naw, what bold soul is talking about is basically Michael's struggle in The Lost Boys. hahaha...perfect.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Confession: I dislike all of it. It makes me cringe. Donger is transparent: most people know he's white (or at least I thought they did). You, on the other hand, are giving free rein to any white fools who are inclined to throw the n-word around through your aggressive use of it, in my opinion. a totally fallacious argument...people don't change their vocabulary because of me ,,if they did there would be some very erudite monther****ers up in this piece talkin some william safire type shit...peeps say what they want cause THEY wanna say it...don'r try to make me the catalyst for white racism ( even if it is unintended on their part)

you gonna tell me that a white guy is gonna roll up on the rucker tournament and since he's in the sauce shout, "hey my ni-----r, pass me the rock and lets spank these n-----rs"

uh huh"

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2587/amos1j.jpg

I don't know what the problem is? I thought it was funny!

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2587/saphir1j.jpg

Me too! Tell them smat niggas to shut up and let the white boy keep jokin'!


hail.gif graemlins/rofl.gif @Bold. Excellent thanks.

[jimmymack-2000]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
a totally fallacious argument...people don't change their vocabulary because of me ,,if they did there would be some very erudite monther****ers up in this piece talkin some william safire type shit...peeps say what they want cause THEY wanna say it...don'r try to make me the catalyst for white racism ( even if it is unintended on their part)

you gonna tell me that a white guy is gonna roll up on the rucker tournament and since he's in the sauce shout, "hey my ni-----r, pass me the rock and lets spank these n-----rs"

uh huh" People will change the way they talk if they see the taboos against certain words or phrases being worn away, especially if they don't have regular contact with those who might feel hurt by those words or phrases. Remember, there's a whole world reading this thread: when it comes to race issues, many of them may not be conditioned to think before they speak.

[The Donger]

woops

[ July 10, 2003, 03:46 PM: Message edited by: The Donger ]

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by The Donger:
Sorry. I was unaware this thread was about me.

You better change some of those incorrect facts, it's called slander. I take that type of shit seriously. First of all, this is a humorous thread - like your threads, you know. Why would you assume it is about you? Hm? Were any names named?

Second of all, if the shoe fits...

[ July 10, 2003, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
a totally fallacious argument...people don't change their vocabulary because of me ,,if they did there would be some very erudite monther****ers up in this piece talkin some william safire type shit...peeps say what they want cause THEY wanna say it...don'r try to make me the catalyst for white racism ( even if it is unintended on their part)

you gonna tell me that a white guy is gonna roll up on the rucker tournament and since he's in the sauce shout, "hey my ni-----r, pass me the rock and lets spank these n-----rs"

uh huh" People will change the way they talk if they see the taboos against certain words or phrases being worn away, especially if they don't have regular contact with those who might feel hurt by those words or phrases. Remember, there's a whole world reading this thread: when it comes to race issues, many of them may not be conditioned to think before they speak. </font>[/QUOTE]ATTENTION WHITE BOYS OF THE WORLD

If you come out to Harlem or Oakland or Brick City or anywhere that is mostly black and say "NI----R" YOU WILL YOUR ASS KICKED

conditioned

that was easy

[The Donger]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
Sorry. I was unaware this thread was about me.

You better change some of those incorrect facts, it's called slander. I take that type of shit seriously. First of all, this is a humorous thread - like your threads, you know. Why would you assume it is about you? Hm? Were any names named?

Second of all, if the shoe fits... </font>[/QUOTE]Why do you think I edited my post brainiac?

I did the "quick scan" and saw my name pop up, but when I actually sat down to read it, I realised it had nothing to do with me. Hence the "incorrect facts" statement Einstein.

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
a totally fallacious argument...people don't change their vocabulary because of me ,,if they did there would be some very erudite monther****ers up in this piece talkin some william safire type shit...peeps say what they want cause THEY wanna say it...don'r try to make me the catalyst for white racism ( even if it is unintended on their part)

you gonna tell me that a white guy is gonna roll up on the rucker tournament and since he's in the sauce shout, "hey my ni-----r, pass me the rock and lets spank these n-----rs"

uh huh" People will change the way they talk if they see the taboos against certain words or phrases being worn away, especially if they don't have regular contact with those who might feel hurt by those words or phrases. Remember, there's a whole world reading this thread: when it comes to race issues, many of them may not be conditioned to think before they speak. </font>[/QUOTE]Its been discussed before but on the whole 'yea it seems like Hispanics use the term more than black folks do' tip...

I was walking my dog Down Park in West New York just last evening when these two cats were yelling at this other cat down the block 'Yo _____ common _______ Yo' loud as **** and I was just thinking the whole time....

'Damn it ****ing amazing that people, especially people that ain black have no problem just yelling that damn word down the street'.

Anyways I had a good dinner though.

[mhd]

Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
Sorry. I was unaware this thread was about me.

You better change some of those incorrect facts, it's called slander. I take that type of shit seriously. First of all, this is a humorous thread - like your threads, you know. Why would you assume it is about you? Hm? Were any names named?

Second of all, if the shoe fits... </font>[/QUOTE]Why do you think I edited my post brainiac?

I did the "quick scan" and saw my name pop up, but when I actually sat down to read it, I realised it had nothing to do with me. Hence the "incorrect facts" statement Einstein. </font>[/QUOTE]actually, quite a bit is about you and your constant and consistent attacks on many aspects of black culture

[mhd]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
a totally fallacious argument...people don't change their vocabulary because of me ,,if they did there would be some very erudite monther****ers up in this piece talkin some william safire type shit...peeps say what they want cause THEY wanna say it...don'r try to make me the catalyst for white racism ( even if it is unintended on their part)

you gonna tell me that a white guy is gonna roll up on the rucker tournament and since he's in the sauce shout, "hey my ni-----r, pass me the rock and lets spank these n-----rs"

uh huh" People will change the way they talk if they see the taboos against certain words or phrases being worn away, especially if they don't have regular contact with those who might feel hurt by those words or phrases. Remember, there's a whole world reading this thread: when it comes to race issues, many of them may not be conditioned to think before they speak. </font>[/QUOTE]consider this conditioning

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
a totally fallacious argument...people don't change their vocabulary because of me ,,if they did there would be some very erudite monther****ers up in this piece talkin some william safire type shit...peeps say what they want cause THEY wanna say it...don'r try to make me the catalyst for white racism ( even if it is unintended on their part)

you gonna tell me that a white guy is gonna roll up on the rucker tournament and since he's in the sauce shout, "hey my ni-----r, pass me the rock and lets spank these n-----rs"

uh huh" People will change the way they talk if they see the taboos against certain words or phrases being worn away, especially if they don't have regular contact with those who might feel hurt by those words or phrases. Remember, there's a whole world reading this thread: when it comes to race issues, many of them may not be conditioned to think before they speak. </font>[/QUOTE]ATTENTION WHITE BOYS OF THE WORLD

If you come out to Harlem or Oakland or Brick City or anywhere that is mostly black and say "NI----R" YOU WILL YOUR ASS KICKED

conditioned

that was easy </font>[/QUOTE]PS TO WHITE BOYS EVERYWHERE

i'm reminded of a story told by Grandpa Al Lewis (perennial NYS gubernatorial candidate and ex- Munster) that a lot of the white people he knew in life used the word a lot

go figure

BUT REMEMBER THE ABOVE WARNING!!!!!!!

DANGER will robinson!

[The Donger]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
Sorry. I was unaware this thread was about me.

You better change some of those incorrect facts, it's called slander. I take that type of shit seriously. First of all, this is a humorous thread - like your threads, you know. Why would you assume it is about you? Hm? Were any names named?

Second of all, if the shoe fits... </font>[/QUOTE]Why do you think I edited my post brainiac?

I did the "quick scan" and saw my name pop up, but when I actually sat down to read it, I realised it had nothing to do with me. Hence the "incorrect facts" statement Einstein. </font>[/QUOTE]actually, quite a bit is about you and your constant and consistent attacks on many aspects of black culture </font>[/QUOTE]You know what, forget it. I'm not gonna waste my time on you, and defending myself against your personal attacks. I obviously am not fond of you and I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

Only difference is, you are the one riding my dick.

Once you get off it, then we can ignore each other on this board just fine.

[ July 10, 2003, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: The Donger ]

[Bold Soul]

...

[ July 10, 2003, 04:30 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

[The Buddy Love Show]

damn...still no sign of Ashaki or Discogoddess or Magic Juan....DOH my bad..they are over on the thread titled "I hate Ni--as"

and they've all written as to not liking the word or any of its iterations and attacked me behind it (and we do have archives)

curiouser and curiouser pass the courvoisier cause don't THAT SHIT make a .........wanna...

ooops was ii impolitic to name names


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

[The Donger]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
Sorry. I was unaware this thread was about me.

You better change some of those incorrect facts, it's called slander. I take that type of shit seriously. First of all, this is a humorous thread - like your threads, you know. Why would you assume it is about you? Hm? Were any names named?

Second of all, if the shoe fits... </font>[/QUOTE]Why do you think I edited my post brainiac?

I did the "quick scan" and saw my name pop up, but when I actually sat down to read it, I realised it had nothing to do with me. Hence the "incorrect facts" statement Einstein. </font>[/QUOTE]actually, quite a bit is about you and your constant and consistent attacks on many aspects of black culture </font>[/QUOTE]You seem to miss my attacks on ambulance chasers. </font>[/QUOTE]**** Donger - what's up with this shitty insult?! You can dish it you, but when pressed, you chump out. </font>[/QUOTE]Stop quoting my edited posts. I already deleted it cause it isn't worth it.

And stop getting so excited over this internet shit.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
damn...still no sign of Ashaki or Discogoddess or Magic Juan....DOH my bad..they are over on the thread titled "I hate Ni--as"

and they've all written as to not liking the word or any of its iterations and attacked me behind it (and we do have archives)

curiouser and curiouser pass the courvoisier cause don't THAT SHIT make a .........wanna...

ooops was ii impolitic to name names


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA i mean if they are over there...it means they were attracted to the n word (like I said) and have read this (like I said) and found it to be a lil too close too home and so show their asses by the act of silence

but they weren't shooting the messenger just the word, right?

thank you for proving what this and other threads say and imply...we couldn't have done it without ya...really

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by The Donger:
Stop quoting my edited posts. I already deleted it cause it isn't worth it.

And stop getting so excited over this internet shit. My connection is fairly fast. I'll delete my references to the deleted post.

[mhd]

Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
Sorry. I was unaware this thread was about me.

You better change some of those incorrect facts, it's called slander. I take that type of shit seriously. First of all, this is a humorous thread - like your threads, you know. Why would you assume it is about you? Hm? Were any names named?

Second of all, if the shoe fits... </font>[/QUOTE]Why do you think I edited my post brainiac?

I did the "quick scan" and saw my name pop up, but when I actually sat down to read it, I realised it had nothing to do with me. Hence the "incorrect facts" statement Einstein. </font>[/QUOTE]actually, quite a bit is about you and your constant and consistent attacks on many aspects of black culture </font>[/QUOTE]You seem to miss my attacks on ambulance chasers. </font>[/QUOTE]**** Donger - what's up with this shitty insult?! You can dish it you, but when pressed, you chump out. </font>[/QUOTE]Stop quoting my edited posts. I already deleted it cause it isn't worth it.

And stop getting so excited over this internet shit. </font>[/QUOTE]trust me, son, you don't and could never phase me, i've had real battles with real people much, much stronger than you and with real hatred for me. i don't really have any beef with you, because in your heart you love black people, you wish you were black, since that is impossible, and we constantly clown you, you hate and ridicule black people. we let you get away with a lot, usually i don't. hopefully, once and for all you have learned your lesson. if not, there is a song that fits you perfectly, punks step up to get beat down

[The Donger]

Hahahaha, feeling like physically threatening me now? Are you having a Matthew J relapse?

[mhd]

Originally posted by The Donger:
Hahahaha, feeling like physically threatening me now? Are you having a Matthew J relapse? stop your fantasy of physical contact with me, you are getting a verbal beat down, once again, reminds you of when you were a kid, you are having the relapse

[The Donger]

I'll meet you on the "Bold Soul" thread.

[mhd]

Originally posted by The Donger:
I'll meet you on the "Bold Soul" thread. by the way, stop staring at my pictures, you gonna get your keyboard all sticky

[The Donger]

sticky = your bacon fingers

[imported_Gman]

Knock it off you guys.

[The Donger]

ok.

[mhd]

Originally posted by The Donger:
sticky = your bacon fingers turkey bacon

[Ron la Rock]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
a totally fallacious argument...people don't change their vocabulary because of me ,,if they did there would be some very erudite monther****ers up in this piece talkin some william safire type shit...peeps say what they want cause THEY wanna say it...don'r try to make me the catalyst for white racism ( even if it is unintended on their part)

you gonna tell me that a white guy is gonna roll up on the rucker tournament and since he's in the sauce shout, "hey my ni-----r, pass me the rock and lets spank these n-----rs"

uh huh" People will change the way they talk if they see the taboos against certain words or phrases being worn away, especially if they don't have regular contact with those who might feel hurt by those words or phrases. Remember, there's a whole world reading this thread: when it comes to race issues, many of them may not be conditioned to think before they speak. </font>[/QUOTE]ATTENTION WHITE BOYS OF THE WORLD

If you come out to Harlem or Oakland or Brick City or anywhere that is mostly black and say "NI----R" YOU WILL YOUR ASS KICKED

conditioned

that was easy </font>[/QUOTE]NOT ANTMORE

and thats real
MTV BET & gentrifacation has changed such

[Ron la Rock]

BY THE WAY hail.gif BOLD SOUL YOU GOT THAT WITH BONUS
pts DANG!

pulled the wool off the wolf
and snatched the cookie bag
then slapped da shit out of us who were slippin
yall got that hail.gif AR15firing.gif graemlins/spanka.gif

AIGHT CYRUS!!
I CAN DIG!!

laterz

[ July 10, 2003, 08:56 PM: Message edited by: Ron paizley ]

[Discogoddess]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
damn...still no sign of Ashaki or Discogoddess or Magic Juan....DOH my bad..they are over on the thread titled "I hate Ni--as"

and they've all written as to not liking the word or any of its iterations and attacked me behind it (and we do have archives)

curiouser and curiouser pass the courvoisier cause don't THAT SHIT make a .........wanna...

ooops was ii impolitic to name names


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA As a point of clarficiation: please go and read the archives and reference exactly where I have "written as to not liking the word or any of its iterations and attacked (you) behind it". Here, I'll save you the trouble...my ONE post in the entire thread (below bitonti's comments):



Originally posted by Discogoddess:
posted June 19, 2003 02:15 PM
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quote:
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Originally posted by bitonti:
i purposely hung back just to see what would happen with the 2 threads -only posted here cause this is the one that blew up - maybe if the other one blew up i would have posted there - but lets be real there was about a 0% chance of that happening - everything gets racialized around here to the extreme
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You don't think the topic-starter himself "racialized to the extreme" with the title of his thread? Excluding the argument that there are "niggers" in every race...the word nigger has come to be accepted as descriptive of black people, particularly American black people descended from African slaves. Therefore, any use of the term on DHP is going to get people going. I'm sure if BL had titled the job thread "Interview with a Nigger," it would have blown up in the same way that this one has...

So, how and why is my name in this thread?
graemlins/conf44.gif

[Rudy Jordan]

Bravo! Bravo!

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by daniel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by darrow:
i must not be up on some pop culture. who is in that first picture...the guy with the two ladies? lennox with leslie and tam tam. </font>[/QUOTE]Daniel, I understand that this was a joke.

And I don’t mind the joke insofar as you making fun of me…..

But the reference to Tam and Leslie was in bad taste (disrespectful) and reciprocates what Bold was referring to in his original post.

I didn’t comment earlier and am only commenting now because NO ONE ELSE has (a typical pattern here) and is a constant example that while racial insensitivities are constantly challenged on this board, women and derogatory references to them go unnoticed.

I mean those two women hardly resemble Tam and Leslie in any way except that they are both black.
i

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by daniel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by darrow:
i must not be up on some pop culture. who is in that first picture...the guy with the two ladies? lennox with leslie and tam tam. </font>[/QUOTE]Daniel, I understand that this was a joke.

And I don’t mind the joke insofar as you making fun of me…..

But the reference to Tam and Leslie was in bad taste (disrespectful) and reciprocates what Bold was referring to in his original post.

I didn’t comment earlier and am only commenting now because NO ONE ELSE has (a typical pattern here) and is a constant example that while racial insensitivities are constantly challenged on this board, women and derogatory references to them go unnoticed.

I mean those two women hardly resemble Tam and Leslie in any way except that they are both black.
i </font>[/QUOTE]In all the furor I missed this. I concur. It's subconscious and unaccepable.

[TEK]

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0328099/C101-12.jpg

Eminems early attempts at a hip hop career?? :D

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Daniel, I understand that this was a joke.

And I don’t mind the joke insofar as you making fun of me…..

But the reference to Tam and Leslie was in bad taste (disrespectful) and reciprocates what Bold was referring to in his original post.

I didn’t comment earlier and am only commenting now because NO ONE ELSE has (a typical pattern here) and is a constant example that while racial insensitivities are constantly challenged on this board, women and derogatory references to them go unnoticed.

I mean those two women hardly resemble Tam and Leslie in any way except that they are both black.
i Damn Jamie, you are being too PC. Its gotten to the point where us men can't have no fun around here anymore. Damn ;)

[Ben.]

Originally posted by Gman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Daniel, I understand that this was a joke.

And I don’t mind the joke insofar as you making fun of me…..

But the reference to Tam and Leslie was in bad taste (disrespectful) and reciprocates what Bold was referring to in his original post.

I didn’t comment earlier and am only commenting now because NO ONE ELSE has (a typical pattern here) and is a constant example that while racial insensitivities are constantly challenged on this board, women and derogatory references to them go unnoticed.

I mean those two women hardly resemble Tam and Leslie in any way except that they are both black.
i Damn Jamie, you are being too PC. Its gotten to the point where us men can't have no fun around here anymore. Damn ;) </font>[/QUOTE]oh the irony graemlins/rofl.gif

[Wild i]

I didn't know you knew my son!
http://wildiny.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/campic10.jpg

[ July 11, 2003, 06:08 AM: Message edited by: Wild i ]

[der geile hund]

Originally posted by mhd:
i don't really have any beef with you, because in your heart you love black people, you wish you were black, since that is impossible, and we constantly clown you, you hate and ridicule black people.I like the way black people are psychic and know exactly what white people are thinking.

I like the way Grandpa Munster captured perfectly the interplay among me and my white friends.

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping.

[ngeso]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i don't really have any beef with you, because in your heart you love black people, you wish you were black, since that is impossible, and we constantly clown you, you hate and ridicule black people.I like the way black people are psychic and know exactly what white people are thinking.

I like the way Grandpa Munster captured perfectly the interplay among me and my white friends.

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[lyot]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i don't really have any beef with you, because in your heart you love black people, you wish you were black, since that is impossible, and we constantly clown you, you hate and ridicule black people.I like the way black people are psychic and know exactly what white people are thinking.

I like the way Grandpa Munster captured perfectly the interplay among me and my white friends.

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/rofl.gif

[Wild i]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
a totally fallacious argument...people don't change their vocabulary because of me ,,if they did there would be some very erudite monther****ers up in this piece talkin some william safire type shit...peeps say what they want cause THEY wanna say it...don'r try to make me the catalyst for white racism ( even if it is unintended on their part)

you gonna tell me that a white guy is gonna roll up on the rucker tournament and since he's in the sauce shout, "hey my ni-----r, pass me the rock and lets spank these n-----rs"

uh huh" People will change the way they talk if they see the taboos against certain words or phrases being worn away, especially if they don't have regular contact with those who might feel hurt by those words or phrases. Remember, there's a whole world reading this thread: when it comes to race issues, many of them may not be conditioned to think before they speak. </font>[/QUOTE]ATTENTION WHITE BOYS OF THE WORLD

If you come out to Harlem or Oakland or Brick City or anywhere that is mostly black and say "NI----R" YOU WILL YOUR ASS KICKED

conditioned

that was easy </font>[/QUOTE]Mark, the "Zero Responsibility" argument is unworthy of you.

[The Donger]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i don't really have any beef with you, because in your heart you love black people, you wish you were black, since that is impossible, and we constantly clown you, you hate and ridicule black people.I like the way black people are psychic and know exactly what white people are thinking.

I like the way Grandpa Munster captured perfectly the interplay among me and my white friends.

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. </font>[/QUOTE]Hahahahahaaaa!!!

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i don't really have any beef with you, because in your heart you love black people, you wish you were black, since that is impossible, and we constantly clown you, you hate and ridicule black people.I like the way black people are psychic and know exactly what white people are thinking.

I like the way Grandpa Munster captured perfectly the interplay among me and my white friends.

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. </font>[/QUOTE]Again I am not sure who your are directing the "Grandpa Munster" comment to but this post must be hitting close to home for "some" of you. Lets stop the name calling.

-Gerard

[der geile hund]

Hey Gman, I was referring to this:


Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:

i'm reminded of a story told by Grandpa Al Lewis (perennial NYS gubernatorial candidate and ex- Munster) that a lot of the white people he knew in life used the word a lot

go figure... and not to anyone's age ... but maybe Grandpa Munster could be Markbe's next incarnation.

[ July 11, 2003, 08:48 AM: Message edited by: der geile hund ]

[Bill Blake]

Cautionary,

I don’t believe that Donger is ‘racist’. I do however think he has made some jokes that are not racially sensitive (and I do believe there is a difference between a racist and someone who is racially insensitive).

However combine these jokes with the ones that were ‘ok’ or not particularly about race but still had some racial connotations and you have a pattern of posts that in some way make fun of black people to the point that some have had enough. It’s a shame that a joke that really wasn’t racially motivated had to be ‘straw that broke the camels back’ for others that were.

One thing to clarify though is this whole Kuo thing. The dynamics of that board are different. Because a great many there know everyone personally and it’s a smaller group the tolerance for certain racial jokes is much higher there. But even there, there is a ceiling (for instance, the controversial n word over at kuo is scripted).

There is an extent to which racially motivated jokes can ease the tension between groups and then there is a line past which they cause more tension. That line is not set in stone and can vary between different people and circumstances.

The fact is, its simply a matter of respect that we understand that the dynamics here are different than other places where it may have been comfortable to do certain things irregardless of the intentions.

That’s what I figured out the other night when Gman and TOTO made Kuo comments I and I reacted defensively.

[ July 11, 2003, 09:02 AM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
Hey Gman, I was referring to this:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:

i'm reminded of a story told by Grandpa Al Lewis (perennial NYS gubernatorial candidate and ex- Munster) that a lot of the white people he knew in life used the word a lot

go figure... and not to anyone's age ... but maybe Grandpa Munster could be Markbe's next incarnation. </font>[/QUOTE]Are you familiar with the comedy TV show Munsters here in the US. They had a character on the show called grandpa (who was a old absent minded vampire). Thats who i thought you were making a unflattering reference to.
graemlins/bolt.gif :D

[der geile hund]

Originally posted by Gman:
Are you familiar with the comedy TV show Munsters here in the US. They had a character on the show called grandpa (who was a old absent minded vampire). Thats who i thought you were making a unflattering reference to.
graemlins/bolt.gif :D I'm American, so of course I know that show! And the thought that I would ever insinuate that Markbe is an absent-minded old vampire ...

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gman:
Are you familiar with the comedy TV show Munsters here in the US. They had a character on the show called grandpa (who was a old absent minded vampire). Thats who i thought you were making a unflattering reference to.
graemlins/bolt.gif :D I'm American, so of course I know that show! And the thought that I would ever insinuate that Markbe is an absent-minded old vampire ... </font>[/QUOTE]I would

[The Donger]

Ooooh Lennox, you are soooo crazy!

[D J 1 3 8]

Forgive me for being out of the loop....
Can someone explain what this whole thread is about?
I thought it was Bold calling out Mark. How did this turn in to something about Donger being racist?

[The Donger]

People sweat me, wish they could be me, and then turn around and insult me. Or wait, is "me" supposed to be replaced with "blacks"?

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by The Donger:
Ooooh Lennox, you are soooo crazy! Thats right.....move on over to me.

[Kenneth x]

AINT NOTHIN FUNNY ABOUT THIS AT ALL.
DEVIL IS SHOWIN HIS HORNS!
ANY BODY BLACK OR WHITE SHOULDNT BE LAUGHIN AT THIS UNLESS YOU ARE AGAINST YOURSELF OR FOR HATRED OF A PEOPLE.. THINK ABOUT IT! graemlins/spanka.gif AR15firing.gif

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i don't really have any beef with you, because in your heart you love black people, you wish you were black, since that is impossible, and we constantly clown you, you hate and ridicule black people.I like the way black people are psychic and know exactly what white people are thinking.

I like the way Grandpa Munster captured perfectly the interplay among me and my white friends.

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. </font>[/QUOTE]i like the way white people are always telling me how to think..especially when they want me totalk about racism, affirmative action, equal opportubity, crime and being black

Granpa Munster spoke on HIS experience...if that makes YOU suncomfortable the question is why

mhd has been putting it down

[mhd]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Cautionary,

I don’t believe that Donger is ‘racist’. I do however think he has made some jokes that are not racially sensitive (and I do believe there is a difference between a racist and someone who is racially insensitive).

However combine these jokes with the ones that were ‘ok’ or not particularly about race but still had some racial connotations and you have a pattern of posts that in some way make fun of black people to the point that some have had enough. It’s a shame that a joke that really wasn’t racially motivated had to be ‘straw that broke the camels back’ for others that were.

One thing to clarify though is this whole Kuo thing. The dynamics of that board are different. Because a great many there know everyone personally and it’s a smaller group the tolerance for certain racial jokes is much higher there. But even there, there is a ceiling (for instance, the controversial n word over at kuo is scripted).

There is an extent to which racially motivated jokes can ease the tension between groups and then there is a line past which they cause more tension. That line is not set in stone and can vary between different people and circumstances.

The fact is, its simply a matter of respect that we understand that the dynamics here are different than other places where it may have been comfortable to do certain things irregardless of the intentions.

That’s what I figured out the other night when Gman and TOTO made Kuo comments I and I reacted defensively. then why not just keep it on the Kuo where it is acceptable? your boy constantly insults black people, joking or not, and you guys constantly defend him, the first time was unacceptable and i have always said so

[mhd]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i don't really have any beef with you, because in your heart you love black people, you wish you were black, since that is impossible, and we constantly clown you, you hate and ridicule black people.I like the way black people are psychic and know exactly what white people are thinking.

I like the way Grandpa Munster captured perfectly the interplay among me and my white friends.

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. </font>[/QUOTE]you got a better theory, at least i have his record to go on, your boy dannyboy had thin air and got mad support for a bogus accusation. your boy seems to love and adore black folks and black culture but because skin color is the barrier that prevents him from being totally accepted by (some) black people he rails against those of us that celebrate blackness. i'm not psychic, but i did date a psychologist

[The Donger]

What were the psychologists reasons for leaving you?

[drilla]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i don't really have any beef with you, because in your heart you love black people, you wish you were black, since that is impossible, and we constantly clown you, you hate and ridicule black people.I like the way black people are psychic and know exactly what white people are thinking.

I like the way Grandpa Munster captured perfectly the interplay among me and my white friends.

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. </font>[/QUOTE]you got a better theory, at least i have his record to go on, your boy dannyboy had thin air and got mad support for a bogus accusation. your boy seems to love and adore black folks and black culture but because skin color is the barrier that prevents him from being totally accepted by (some) black people he rails against those of us that celebrate blackness. i'm not psychic, but i did date a psychologist </font>[/QUOTE]i dated a black girl once.

what the hell is your point?

[mhd]

i know its hard to try and have a serious convo but i'm willing to try

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Cautionary,

I don’t believe that Donger is ‘racist’. I do however think he has made some jokes that are not racially sensitive (and I do believe there is a difference between a racist and someone who is racially insensitive).

However combine these jokes with the ones that were ‘ok’ or not particularly about race but still had some racial connotations and you have a pattern of posts that in some way make fun of black people to the point that some have had enough. It’s a shame that a joke that really wasn’t racially motivated had to be ‘straw that broke the camels back’ for others that were.

One thing to clarify though is this whole Kuo thing. The dynamics of that board are different. Because a great many there know everyone personally and it’s a smaller group the tolerance for certain racial jokes is much higher there. But even there, there is a ceiling (for instance, the controversial n word over at kuo is scripted).

There is an extent to which racially motivated jokes can ease the tension between groups and then there is a line past which they cause more tension. That line is not set in stone and can vary between different people and circumstances.

The fact is, its simply a matter of respect that we understand that the dynamics here are different than other places where it may have been comfortable to do certain things irregardless of the intentions.

That’s what I figured out the other night when Gman and TOTO made Kuo comments I and I reacted defensively. then why not just keep it on the Kuo where it is acceptable? your boy constantly insults black people, joking or not, and you guys constantly defend him, the first time was unacceptable and i have always said so </font>[/QUOTE]Aks Donger not me, I cant make him do anything.

[The Donger]

MHD = Busted.

Your logic is flawed.

[ July 11, 2003, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: The Donger ]

[DeesKo]

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[drilla]

Originally posted by mhd:
i know its hard to try and have a serious convo but i'm willing to try then i have a serious question for you...

do you feel the affirmative action goes against the idea that all of us (humans) are equal (equal in that we should all have equal opportunities without basing anything on race or social class)?

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by The Donger:
What were the psychologists reasons for leaving you? I think it's obvious where you are coming from each time you post distracting comments. What's wrong kid - can't put out the fire you started?

[Moksha]

Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i know its hard to try and have a serious convo but i'm willing to try then i have a serious question for you...

do you feel the affirmative action goes against the idea that all of us (humans) are equal (equal in that we should all have equal opportunities without basing anything on race or social class)? </font>[/QUOTE]zzzzzzzzzzz.....This was already covered in other threads, especially around the time of the Supreme Court cases.

[The Donger]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
What were the psychologists reasons for leaving you? I think it's obvious where you are coming from each time you post distracting comments. What's wrong kid - can't put out the fire you started? </font>[/QUOTE]I am the fire.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i know its hard to try and have a serious convo but i'm willing to try then i have a serious question for you...

do you feel the affirmative action goes against the idea that all of us (humans) are equal (equal in that we should all have equal opportunities without basing anything on race or social class)? </font>[/QUOTE]What does this have to do with the wild racial insensitivity and racist undertones on the DHP? That is the actual topic of the thread - if you didn't notice.

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i don't really have any beef with you, because in your heart you love black people, you wish you were black, since that is impossible, and we constantly clown you, you hate and ridicule black people.I like the way black people are psychic and know exactly what white people are thinking.

I like the way Grandpa Munster captured perfectly the interplay among me and my white friends.

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. </font>[/QUOTE]you got a better theory, at least i have his record to go on, your boy dannyboy had thin air and got mad support for a bogus accusation. your boy seems to love and adore black folks and black culture but because skin color is the barrier that prevents him from being totally accepted by (some) black people he rails against those of us that celebrate blackness. i'm not psychic, but i did date a psychologist </font>[/QUOTE]Not necessarily Mark,

The underlying irony of the Danny Boy situation is why was it that he seemed fully prepared to chastise the Shelter and even when it was disclosed that it was Glenn’s decision and Shelter gave him two opportunities to play that Danny not once, chastised Glenn in anyway remotely like he did Shelter?

And even as a side note…Robbie’s actions (against my opinion) were chastise as being unprofessional and NO ONE questioned whether or not Glenn’s were.

[drilla]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i know its hard to try and have a serious convo but i'm willing to try then i have a serious question for you...

do you feel the affirmative action goes against the idea that all of us (humans) are equal (equal in that we should all have equal opportunities without basing anything on race or social class)? </font>[/QUOTE]zzzzzzzzzzz.....This was already covered in other threads, especially around the time of the Supreme Court cases. </font>[/QUOTE]dick****...i wasnt talking to you.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
What were the psychologists reasons for leaving you? I think it's obvious where you are coming from each time you post distracting comments. What's wrong kid - can't put out the fire you started? </font>[/QUOTE]I am the fire. </font>[/QUOTE]Change fire to juvenile deliquent. The shit is old yo. Man to man, you should clean up your act or just accept where you are coming from.

[daniel]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by daniel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by darrow:
i must not be up on some pop culture. who is in that first picture...the guy with the two ladies? lennox with leslie and tam tam. </font>[/QUOTE]Daniel, I understand that this was a joke.

And I don’t mind the joke insofar as you making fun of me…..

But the reference to Tam and Leslie was in bad taste (disrespectful) and reciprocates what Bold was referring to in his original post.

I didn’t comment earlier and am only commenting now because NO ONE ELSE has (a typical pattern here) and is a constant example that while racial insensitivities are constantly challenged on this board, women and derogatory references to them go unnoticed.

I mean those two women hardly resemble Tam and Leslie in any way except that they are both black.
i </font>[/QUOTE]you're joking, right?

[The Donger]

He's not joking, you are obviously a racist.

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by The Donger:
He's not joking, you are obviously a racist. Dont piss me off again fly guy.

I posted a little back that your comments were not racist.

And no I didnt like it almost as much as the beaten up woman pic in your forum...which I detested.

[drilla]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i know its hard to try and have a serious convo but i'm willing to try then i have a serious question for you...

do you feel the affirmative action goes against the idea that all of us (humans) are equal (equal in that we should all have equal opportunities without basing anything on race or social class)? </font>[/QUOTE]What does this have to do with the wild racial insensitivity and racist undertones on the DHP? That is the actual topic of the thread - if you didn't notice. </font>[/QUOTE]my question was a direct question for mhd.

[The Donger]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
He's not joking, you are obviously a racist. Dont piss me off again fly guy.

I posted a little back that your comments were not racist.

And no I didnt like it almost as much as the beaten up woman pic in your forum...which I detested. </font>[/QUOTE]My forum???

Hahahaha, you are an asshole!

[Moksha]

Originally posted by der geile hund:

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. This seems to be a common occurance here.

I often wonder how he gets anything done at work (which I believe is a great way to make the kind of changes and support the ideals he so fervantly supports) when he spends so much time on this board attacking people in these arguments. Seems like time wasted that could be better used for professional duties, which actually empower peeps more than sterotyping "white liberals" here.

But then again...we should probably all be spending more time on our professional duties! ;)

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
He's not joking, you are obviously a racist. Dont piss me off again fly guy.

I posted a little back that your comments were not racist.

And no I didnt like it almost as much as the beaten up woman pic in your forum...which I detested. </font>[/QUOTE]My forum???

Hahahaha, you are an asshole! </font>[/QUOTE]Your a dumbass

That the last comment was directed at D

I said my piece, I think its really up to Tam or Lesie as to whether they liked the joke.

[The Donger]

zzzzzzzz

[ July 11, 2003, 12:11 PM: Message edited by: The Donger ]

[The Donger]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
He's not joking, you are obviously a racist. Dont piss me off again fly guy.

I posted a little back that your comments were not racist.

And no I didnt like it almost as much as the beaten up woman pic in your forum...which I detested. </font>[/QUOTE]My forum???

Hahahaha, you are an asshole! </font>[/QUOTE]Your a dumbass

That the last comment was directed at D

I said my piece, I think its really up to Tam or Lesie as to whether they liked the joke. </font>[/QUOTE]I just called Leslie and Tam Tam, they are mad at you Lennox.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i know its hard to try and have a serious convo but i'm willing to try then i have a serious question for you...

do you feel the affirmative action goes against the idea that all of us (humans) are equal (equal in that we should all have equal opportunities without basing anything on race or social class)? </font>[/QUOTE]oh boy here it comes...i wonder how you feel about legacies at Harvard and Yale and other top schools for undeserving whites who gain admittance by chance of birth?..or have you ever even discussed it?

you wanna know what...many whites in this country have lived of the backs of blacks, indians, and chinese while at the same time denying equal access...only by act of Congress was this begun to be reversed in 1964...and even with that, equal access has been fought tooth and nail through segregated schools where minoritiess get the short end of the stick thru lack of funding ( see NYS Court of appeals decision of 2 weeks ago); through glass ceilings that don't allow access to the upper echelons: through old boy networks where business is conducted in so called "private clubs" ie golf courses where blacks have no memberships

i could go on ...but why bother

see Bold Souls "don't they eat fried chicken and watermelon?" for an insight to what i feel is the motivation behind what appears to be a nonchalant "reasonable" question

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by der geile hund:

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. This seems to be a common occurance here.

I often wonder how he gets anything done at work (which I believe is a great way to make the kind of changes and support the ideals he so fervantly supports) when he spends so much time on this board attacking people in these arguments. Seems like time wasted that could be better used for professional duties, which actually empower peeps more than sterotyping "white liberals" here.

But then again...we should probably all be spending more time on our professional duties! ;) </font>[/QUOTE]So it's attack MHD now? That's some punk shit. Everyone knows what we are referring to and, after five pages, it's obvious that no one wants to accept the issue of perception many of us have.

You all step in a black man's house to discuss black music and piss on the black man's shoes. This is done CONTINUALLY. See, a few jokes were allowed and, in racist liberal fashion, an inch became a mile.

Now the black man must make dramatic theater to illuminate what a simple request to tone shit down could not do.

But we're all crazy and taking things to the extreme.

[mhd]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i don't really have any beef with you, because in your heart you love black people, you wish you were black, since that is impossible, and we constantly clown you, you hate and ridicule black people.I like the way black people are psychic and know exactly what white people are thinking.

I like the way Grandpa Munster captured perfectly the interplay among me and my white friends.

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. </font>[/QUOTE]you got a better theory, at least i have his record to go on, your boy dannyboy had thin air and got mad support for a bogus accusation. your boy seems to love and adore black folks and black culture but because skin color is the barrier that prevents him from being totally accepted by (some) black people he rails against those of us that celebrate blackness. i'm not psychic, but i did date a psychologist </font>[/QUOTE]Not necessarily Mark,

The underlying irony of the Danny Boy situation is why was it that he seemed fully prepared to chastise the Shelter and even when it was disclosed that it was Glenn’s decision and Shelter gave him two opportunities to play that Danny not once, chastised Glenn in anyway remotely like he did Shelter?

And even as a side note…Robbie’s actions (against my opinion) were chastise as being unprofessional and NO ONE questioned whether or not Glenn’s were. </font>[/QUOTE]you have been on point throughout regarding that fiasco, and even though there is no way that dannyboy could repair the damage he caused, he did not even try

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i know its hard to try and have a serious convo but i'm willing to try then i have a serious question for you...

do you feel the affirmative action goes against the idea that all of us (humans) are equal (equal in that we should all have equal opportunities without basing anything on race or social class)? </font>[/QUOTE]oh boy here it comes...i wonder how you feel about legacies at Harvard and Yale and other top schools for undeserving whites who gain admittance by chance of birth?..or have you ever even discussed it?

you wanna know what...many whites in this country have lived of the backs of blacks, indians, and chinese while at the same time denying equal access...only by act of Congress was this begun to be reversed in 1964...and even with that, equal access has been fought tooth and nail through segregated schools where minoritiess get the short end of the stick thru lack of funding ( see NYS Court of appeals decision of 2 weeks ago); through glass ceilings that don't allow access to the upper echelons: through old boy networks where business is conducted in so called "private clubs" ie golf courses where blacks have no memberships

i could go on ...but why bother

see Bold Souls "don't they eat fried chicken and watermelon?" for an insight to what i feel is the motivation behind what appears to be a nonchalant "reasonable" question </font>[/QUOTE]btw..the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action has been WHITE WOMEN ( economics 201)

[The Donger]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
oh boy here it comes...i wonder how you feel about legacies at Harvard and Yale and other top schools for undeserving whites who gain admittance by chance of birth?..or have you ever even discussed it?

Damn, I wish shit was handed over to me like that. Never got a hand out unfortunately...

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
oh boy here it comes...i wonder how you feel about legacies at Harvard and Yale and other top schools for undeserving whites who gain admittance by chance of birth?..or have you ever even discussed it?

Damn, I wish shit was handed over to me like that. Never got a hand out unfortunately... </font>[/QUOTE]and obviously you don't know what a legacy is

[daniel]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
He's not joking, you are obviously a racist. Dont piss me off again fly guy.

I posted a little back that your comments were not racist.

And no I didnt like it almost as much as the beaten up woman pic in your forum...which I detested. </font>[/QUOTE]My forum???

Hahahaha, you are an asshole! </font>[/QUOTE]Your a dumbass

That the last comment was directed at D

I said my piece, I think its really up to Tam or Lesie as to whether they liked the joke. </font>[/QUOTE]1) i didn't want the picture up, that was all joel. i have no control over what the kuo looks like.

2) i don't think that guy really looks like you, but you seemed to skip that part and just argue on behalf of two girls (who don't really seem upset by it, by their lack of response).

3) it's a fukking joke jamie. get over yourself.

[mhd]

Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i know its hard to try and have a serious convo but i'm willing to try then i have a serious question for you...

do you feel the affirmative action goes against the idea that all of us (humans) are equal (equal in that we should all have equal opportunities without basing anything on race or social class)? </font>[/QUOTE]What does this have to do with the wild racial insensitivity and racist undertones on the DHP? That is the actual topic of the thread - if you didn't notice. </font>[/QUOTE]my question was a direct question for mhd. </font>[/QUOTE]no it does not, but discrimination does

[Bold Soul]

Might I add that to dare come into the black man's house and discuss counter-politics to those elements in society from which he benefits can be considered racist simply because its so fcuking insensitive that you can't believe anyone could be so stupid to introduce the subject.

But when five black fingers in the form of a fist punch you square in your mouth for being insensitive, the black man will be racist then.

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by daniel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
He's not joking, you are obviously a racist. Dont piss me off again fly guy.

I posted a little back that your comments were not racist.

And no I didnt like it almost as much as the beaten up woman pic in your forum...which I detested. </font>[/QUOTE]My forum???

Hahahaha, you are an asshole! </font>[/QUOTE]Your a dumbass

That the last comment was directed at D

I said my piece, I think its really up to Tam or Lesie as to whether they liked the joke. </font>[/QUOTE]1) i didn't want the picture up, that was all joel. i have no control over what the kuo looks like.

2) i don't think that guy really looks like you, but you seemed to skip that part and just argue on behalf of two girls (who don't really seem upset by it, by their lack of response).

3) it's a fukking joke jamie. get over yourself. </font>[/QUOTE]If I thought you thought the guy looks like me I wouldnt be your friend dick head.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
oh boy here it comes...i wonder how you feel about legacies at Harvard and Yale and other top schools for undeserving whites who gain admittance by chance of birth?..or have you ever even discussed it?

Damn, I wish shit was handed over to me like that. Never got a hand out unfortunately... </font>[/QUOTE]and obviously you don't know what a legacy is </font>[/QUOTE]to break it down..legacies allow the sons of rich (and lets face it white) alumni to enroll in institutions without having to be as capable as other applicants..in that way they are undeserving because they are being given a free pass based on family ties rather than academic merit

[The Donger]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
oh boy here it comes...i wonder how you feel about legacies at Harvard and Yale and other top schools for undeserving whites who gain admittance by chance of birth?..or have you ever even discussed it?

Damn, I wish shit was handed over to me like that. Never got a hand out unfortunately... </font>[/QUOTE]and obviously you don't know what a legacy is </font>[/QUOTE]Legacy = anything handed down by predecessor.

My guess is that relatives get favoritism as far as entry goes.

If that's not it, what is it then?

[mhd]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by der geile hund:

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. This seems to be a common occurance here.

I often wonder how he gets anything done at work (which I believe is a great way to make the kind of changes and support the ideals he so fervantly supports) when he spends so much time on this board attacking people in these arguments. Seems like time wasted that could be better used for professional duties, which actually empower peeps more than sterotyping "white liberals" here.

But then again...we should probably all be spending more time on our professional duties! ;) </font>[/QUOTE]now when i bust your ass (again) don't start crying about me attacking you. the fact of the matter is i am very active, i work very hard, i love house music and culture and i played a very small role in the beginning. i have been attacking idiots all my life, this is just the latest forum, to be honest, we are not that far apart in our thinking and that to me is my greatest regret because there are forces out there that we should be attacking together

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
oh boy here it comes...i wonder how you feel about legacies at Harvard and Yale and other top schools for undeserving whites who gain admittance by chance of birth?..or have you ever even discussed it?

Damn, I wish shit was handed over to me like that. Never got a hand out unfortunately... </font>[/QUOTE]and obviously you don't know what a legacy is </font>[/QUOTE]Legacy = anything handed down by predecessor.

My guess is that relatives get favoritism as far as entry goes.

If that's not it, what is it then? </font>[/QUOTE]bingo...so if thats the case where is the "equality"....it never was there...except when minorities started knocking on the doors thats when peps wanted to only look at the "quantitative" merits

[The Donger]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
oh boy here it comes...i wonder how you feel about legacies at Harvard and Yale and other top schools for undeserving whites who gain admittance by chance of birth?..or have you ever even discussed it?

Damn, I wish shit was handed over to me like that. Never got a hand out unfortunately... </font>[/QUOTE]and obviously you don't know what a legacy is </font>[/QUOTE]to break it down..legacies allow the sons of rich (and lets face it white) alumni to enroll in institutions without having to be as capable as other applicants..in that way they are undeserving because they are being given a free pass based on family ties rather than academic merit </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah I got that, what part of my post don't you get though?

[Moksha]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by der geile hund:

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. This seems to be a common occurance here.

I often wonder how he gets anything done at work (which I believe is a great way to make the kind of changes and support the ideals he so fervantly supports) when he spends so much time on this board attacking people in these arguments. Seems like time wasted that could be better used for professional duties, which actually empower peeps more than sterotyping "white liberals" here.

But then again...we should probably all be spending more time on our professional duties! ;) </font>[/QUOTE]So it's attack MHD now? That's some punk shit. Everyone knows what we are referring to and, after five pages, it's obvious that no one wants to accept the issue of perception many of us have.

You all step in a black man's house to discuss black music and piss on the black man's shoes. This is done CONTINUALLY. See, a few jokes were allowed and, in racist liberal fashion, an inch became a mile.

Now the black man must make dramatic theater to illuminate what a simple request to tone shit down could not do.

But we're all crazy and taking things to the extreme. </font>[/QUOTE]Bold—I am not attacking anyone. In fact, compared to the slanders you and mhd have levied against me, this is nothing. I have never attacked "the black man." I have never made any jokes about "the black man." In fact, I have never come close to making the kind of venomous generalizations that you and mhd make about the imaginary group that you see me belonging to. But, of course, that is not "punk shit." I don't know why you harbor so much hatred for me.

Go back and read my posts in the relative thread. I supported falko's points.

I'd like to see examples of me "pissing on shoes."

For clarification: What are the racist jokes that have been allowed?

By the way...I think that mhd's career is one of the most respectable professions one could choose, and despite our differences, think that he is a person that has the strength of character to really fight for his beliefs...a rare trait.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
oh boy here it comes...i wonder how you feel about legacies at Harvard and Yale and other top schools for undeserving whites who gain admittance by chance of birth?..or have you ever even discussed it?

Damn, I wish shit was handed over to me like that. Never got a hand out unfortunately... </font>[/QUOTE]and obviously you don't know what a legacy is </font>[/QUOTE]to break it down..legacies allow the sons of rich (and lets face it white) alumni to enroll in institutions without having to be as capable as other applicants..in that way they are undeserving because they are being given a free pass based on family ties rather than academic merit </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah I got that, what part of my post don't you get though? </font>[/QUOTE]i understood your post completely and just explained to you what a legacy was as you only could "guess" as to its meaning...or were you trying to say something else?

[JL]

kudos, don't forget fraternities and sororities as traditional institutions to keep the white man in power.

[Moksha]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by der geile hund:

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. This seems to be a common occurance here.

I often wonder how he gets anything done at work (which I believe is a great way to make the kind of changes and support the ideals he so fervantly supports) when he spends so much time on this board attacking people in these arguments. Seems like time wasted that could be better used for professional duties, which actually empower peeps more than sterotyping "white liberals" here.

But then again...we should probably all be spending more time on our professional duties! ;) </font>[/QUOTE]now when i bust your ass (again) don't start crying about me attacking you. the fact of the matter is i am very active, i work very hard, i love house music and culture and i played a very small role in the beginning. i have been attacking idiots all my life, this is just the latest forum, to be honest, we are not that far apart in our thinking and that to me is my greatest regret because there are forces out there that we should be attacking together </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/thumbsup.gif (sorry for the job thing...that was a low blow ) :(

[The Donger]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
...or were you trying to say something else? I was just saying I wish I had a hook up like that... some people luck out.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by JL:
kudos, don't forget fraternities and sororities as traditional institutions to keep the white man in power. i was 21 when i enrolled in college and thought that fraternities were silly...i wasn't gonna do that bullshit hazing....now i wish i had joined

funny

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
...or were you trying to say something else? I was just saying I wish I had a hook up like that... some people luck out. </font>[/QUOTE]very true

[daniel]

please let me know if i'm in power, even tho i didn't join a fraternity. i'd like to start exercising it at once.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by der geile hund:

I like when mhd stereotypes wildly as a public action against wild stereotyping. This seems to be a common occurance here.

I often wonder how he gets anything done at work (which I believe is a great way to make the kind of changes and support the ideals he so fervantly supports) when he spends so much time on this board attacking people in these arguments. Seems like time wasted that could be better used for professional duties, which actually empower peeps more than sterotyping "white liberals" here.

But then again...we should probably all be spending more time on our professional duties! ;) </font>[/QUOTE]So it's attack MHD now? That's some punk shit. Everyone knows what we are referring to and, after five pages, it's obvious that no one wants to accept the issue of perception many of us have.

You all step in a black man's house to discuss black music and piss on the black man's shoes. This is done CONTINUALLY. See, a few jokes were allowed and, in racist liberal fashion, an inch became a mile.

Now the black man must make dramatic theater to illuminate what a simple request to tone shit down could not do.

But we're all crazy and taking things to the extreme. </font>[/QUOTE]Bold—I am not attacking anyone. In fact, compared to the slanders you and mhd have levied against me, this is nothing. I have never attacked "the black man." I have never made any jokes about "the black man." In fact, I have never come close to making the kind of venomous generalizations that you and mhd make about the imaginary group that you see me belonging to. But, of course, that is not "punk shit." I don't know why you harbor so much hatred for me.

Go back and read my posts in the relative thread. I supported falko's points.

I'd like to see examples of me "pissing on shoes."

For clarification: What are the racist jokes that have been allowed?

By the way...I think that mhd's career is one of the most respectable professions one could choose, and despite our differences, think that he is a person that has the strength of character to really fight for his beliefs...a rare trait. </font>[/QUOTE]Do your thing. Just don't scuff your shoes as you backpedal.

Stop changing the subject. Deal with the comments at hand. Get over how you have been "insulted" and "attacked" in the past.

I want to know why you CONTINUALLY DEFEND the Dongers of this board when they CONTINUALLY make racially insensitive comments that lead to major conflicts.

You never miss an opportunity to make counter-arguements where groups of black people agree.

You never miss an opportunity to "correct" the thinking of those who judge others for being racially insensitive.

You never pass on an opportunity to characterize those such as Mark B, MHD and myself who have the loudest and most consistent voices against this bullshit.

You are the CHIEF APOLOGIST for them - and that makes you a HUGE part of the problem.

[ July 11, 2003, 12:39 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

[Wild i]

Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i know its hard to try and have a serious convo but i'm willing to try then i have a serious question for you...

do you feel the affirmative action goes against the idea that all of us (humans) are equal (equal in that we should all have equal opportunities without basing anything on race or social class)? </font>[/QUOTE]zzzzzzzzzzz.....This was already covered in other threads, especially around the time of the Supreme Court cases. </font>[/QUOTE]dick****...i wasnt talking to you. </font>[/QUOTE]Ummm...
http://deephousepage.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=032594

[The Donger]

Bold Soul, I can think of a recent racial insenstive post I made, which I already apoligized for because I realized it was bad judgement.

But you keep saying I attack blacks continuously. That's a ****ing laugh.

I would like to learn more about how I continuously attack blacks. As far as I can remember, I gotten a lot of slack for defending whites and pointing out that people here need to stop making generalizations about white folks. And that makes me foul?

[The Buddy Love Show]

MHD once again has the one line

there are forces out there that we should be attacking together

we are all basically down even though we don't really understand each other

there are no real racists on this board cause they wouldn't accept the intermingling of races period (remember Oz and the Ghetto gums)

we are all probably insensitive to some extent about other peeps in terms of sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion

When we as blacks complain about the disrespect we feel its something that white people can never relate too without having grown up black in America (no matter how down you think you are).....its rampant and pervasive and mentally intrusive

And i'm sure that i can never undersatnd how it feels to be white and of good intent and who tries to walk the line of freindship with peeps of other colors while knowing that there is a lot of racial baggage in this country that they didn't statrt but have to deal with its legacy

[The Donger]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
MHD once again has the one line

there are forces out there that we should be attacking together

we are all basically down even though we don't really understand each other

there are no real racists on this board cause they wouldn't accept the intermingling of races period (remember Oz and the Ghetto gums)

we are all probably insensitive to some extent about other peeps in terms of sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion

When we as blacks complain about the disrespect we feel its something that white people can never relate too without having grown up black in America (no matter how down you think you are).....its rampant and pervasive and mentally intrusive

And i'm sure that i can never undersatnd how it feels to be white and of good intent and who tries to walk the line of freindship with peeps of other colors while knowing that there is a lot of racial baggage in this country that they didn't statrt but have to deal with its legacy Nice Marbe, this makes a lot of sense.

[drilla]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i know its hard to try and have a serious convo but i'm willing to try then i have a serious question for you...

do you feel the affirmative action goes against the idea that all of us (humans) are equal (equal in that we should all have equal opportunities without basing anything on race or social class)? </font>[/QUOTE]What does this have to do with the wild racial insensitivity and racist undertones on the DHP? That is the actual topic of the thread - if you didn't notice. </font>[/QUOTE]my question was a direct question for mhd. </font>[/QUOTE]no it does not, but discrimination does </font>[/QUOTE]okay. i feel it does. i feel that it is a form of discrimination set down to ward of discriminating people that are in power of any color. ideally we don't need it, but realistically i can see the how it has helped maintain a balance.

[daniel]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
MHD once again has the one line

there are forces out there that we should be attacking together

we are all basically down even though we don't really understand each other

there are no real racists on this board cause they wouldn't accept the intermingling of races period (remember Oz and the Ghetto gums)

we are all probably insensitive to some extent about other peeps in terms of sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion

When we as blacks complain about the disrespect we feel its something that white people can never relate too without having grown up black in America (no matter how down you think you are).....its rampant and pervasive and mentally intrusive

And i'm sure that i can never undersatnd how it feels to be white and of good intent and who tries to walk the line of freindship with peeps of other colors while knowing that there is a lot of racial baggage in this country that they didn't statrt but have to deal with its legacy graemlins/respekt.gif

[der geile hund]

Originally posted by mhd:
i have been attacking idiots all my life, this is just the latest forum, to be honest, we are not that far apart in our thinking and that to me is my greatest regret because there are forces out there that we should be attacking together That's the sad thing about these threads, and what I was getting at with my "I like how ..." post. I don't really think that you and Magus believe that every white person on this board uses the N word around his or her white friends and has a love/hate relationship with black people, so why do you have to insinuate as much?

Well, as I typed the above, Magus made a much better point to the same effect, so maybe this was all productive after all ...

[ July 11, 2003, 12:53 PM: Message edited by: der geile hund ]

[Moksha]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
MHD once again has the one line

there are forces out there that we should be attacking together

we are all basically down even though we don't really understand each other

there are no real racists on this board cause they wouldn't accept the intermingling of races period (remember Oz and the Ghetto gums)

we are all probably insensitive to some extent about other peeps in terms of sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion

When we as blacks complain about the disrespect we feel its something that white people can never relate too without having grown up black in America (no matter how down you think you are).....its rampant and pervasive and mentally intrusive

And i'm sure that i can never undersatnd how it feels to be white and of good intent and who tries to walk the line of freindship with peeps of other colors while knowing that there is a lot of racial baggage in this country that they didn't statrt but have to deal with its legacy i think that this sums up a lot of the discussion on this board. Seeing it in such concise terms makes me wonder why we spend some many keystrokes circling the same ideas over and over and over. Well....I know why: Quite a few of us are highly opinionated and LOVE a good argument!! biggrinangel.gif

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by The Donger:
Bold Soul, I can think of a recent racial insenstive post I made, which I already apoligized for because I realized it was bad judgement.

But you keep saying I attack blacks continuously. That's a ****ing laugh.

I would like to learn more about how I continuously attack blacks. As far as I can remember, I gotten a lot of slack for defending whites and pointing out that people here need to stop making generalizations about white folks. And that makes me foul? The picture of a black man being punched out by a blonde haired-blue eyed white man and the words "Nigga got owned" and the reference to "whitey white white folks" in the Shelter post just capped what I've seen as a progression of racial insensitivity coming from you. That there is a pattern of causing dissention and then sidestepping when called on it only exacerbates the problem. Those whose own insensitive drivel cause problems start defending you and it mushrooms out of control.

Look - this isn't some political debate. I'm telling you that you and yours have to start paying attention to your animosity because if it isn't intentional, it's coming through subconsciously.

As I've said before, that's man to man. Unlike many others, my personality is no different off the board than on and my word to you, man to man, is that you really have to outgrow that shit at some point.

If you remember, I've always been fond of your take on things when the earlier incarnation of Donger was more about attacking the establishment. This shit is bananas now and if it isn't where you are really coming from as a human being, know that - at least for me - it's painting a picture of someone counter to who you say you truly are.

Danny

[ July 11, 2003, 12:56 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

[drilla]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
MHD once again has the one line

there are forces out there that we should be attacking together

we are all basically down even though we don't really understand each other

there are no real racists on this board cause they wouldn't accept the intermingling of races period (remember Oz and the Ghetto gums)

we are all probably insensitive to some extent about other peeps in terms of sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion

When we as blacks complain about the disrespect we feel its something that white people can never relate too without having grown up black in America (no matter how down you think you are).....its rampant and pervasive and mentally intrusive

And i'm sure that i can never undersatnd how it feels to be white and of good intent and who tries to walk the line of freindship with peeps of other colors while knowing that there is a lot of racial baggage in this country that they didn't statrt but have to deal with its legacy i think that this sums up a lot of the discussion on this board. Seeing it in such concise terms makes me wonder why we spend some many keystrokes circling the same ideas over and over and over. Well....I know why: Quite a few of us are highly opinionated and LOVE a good argument!! biggrinangel.gif </font>[/QUOTE]i want to punch you in the stomach after reading this. i think i will tonight.

one love.

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
MHD once again has the one line

there are forces out there that we should be attacking together

we are all basically down even though we don't really understand each other

there are no real racists on this board cause they wouldn't accept the intermingling of races period (remember Oz and the Ghetto gums)

we are all probably insensitive to some extent about other peeps in terms of sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion

When we as blacks complain about the disrespect we feel its something that white people can never relate too without having grown up black in America (no matter how down you think you are).....its rampant and pervasive and mentally intrusive

And i'm sure that i can never undersatnd how it feels to be white and of good intent and who tries to walk the line of freindship with peeps of other colors while knowing that there is a lot of racial baggage in this country that they didn't statrt but have to deal with its legacy Great

Now Im gonna start crying n shit.

[MarkK]

true


Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
MHD once again has the one line

there are forces out there that we should be attacking together

we are all basically down even though we don't really understand each other

there are no real racists on this board cause they wouldn't accept the intermingling of races period (remember Oz and the Ghetto gums)

we are all probably insensitive to some extent about other peeps in terms of sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion

When we as blacks complain about the disrespect we feel its something that white people can never relate too without having grown up black in America (no matter how down you think you are).....its rampant and pervasive and mentally intrusive

And i'm sure that i can never undersatnd how it feels to be white and of good intent and who tries to walk the line of freindship with peeps of other colors while knowing that there is a lot of racial baggage in this country that they didn't statrt but have to deal with its legacy

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
MHD once again has the one line

there are forces out there that we should be attacking together

we are all basically down even though we don't really understand each other

there are no real racists on this board cause they wouldn't accept the intermingling of races period (remember Oz and the Ghetto gums)

we are all probably insensitive to some extent about other peeps in terms of sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion

When we as blacks complain about the disrespect we feel its something that white people can never relate too without having grown up black in America (no matter how down you think you are).....its rampant and pervasive and mentally intrusive

And i'm sure that i can never undersatnd how it feels to be white and of good intent and who tries to walk the line of freindship with peeps of other colors while knowing that there is a lot of racial baggage in this country that they didn't statrt but have to deal with its legacy i think that this sums up a lot of the discussion on this board. Seeing it in such concise terms makes me wonder why we spend some many keystrokes circling the same ideas over and over and over. Well....I know why: Quite a few of us are highly opinionated and LOVE a good argument!! biggrinangel.gif </font>[/QUOTE]i want to punch you in the stomach after reading this. i think i will tonight.

one love. </font>[/QUOTE]Mark Bs post could have brought closure. Instead, Konbit AGAIN fcuks it up with bullshit rhetoric.

Man Konbit - if you can't see why those of us who take this shit seriously clown you after this (not to mention clowning MHD and his track record), will you ever see it?

[Moksha]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Mark Bs post could have brought closure. Instead, Konbit AGAIN fcuks it up with bullshit rhetoric.

Man Konbit - if you can't see why those of us who take this shit seriously clown you after this (not to mention clowning MHD and his track record), will you ever see it? What is wrong with you? I AGREED with mhd and MarkB!!!?!?!?!

Your personal beef with me is becoming very transparent. Please go back and read my posts.

[Moksha]

and...point out how I fvck anything up. I was SUPPORTING MarkB's closure.

Damn, dude.

[The Donger]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
Bold Soul, I can think of a recent racial insenstive post I made, which I already apoligized for because I realized it was bad judgement.

But you keep saying I attack blacks continuously. That's a ****ing laugh.

I would like to learn more about how I continuously attack blacks. As far as I can remember, I gotten a lot of slack for defending whites and pointing out that people here need to stop making generalizations about white folks. And that makes me foul? The picture of a black man being punched out by a blonde haired-blue eyed white man and the words "Nigga got owned" and the reference to "whitey white white folks" in the Shelter post just capped what I've seen as a progression of racial insensitivity coming from you. That there is a pattern of causing dissention and then sidestepping when called on it only exacerbates the problem. People whose own insensitive drivel start defending you and it mushrooms out of control.

Look - this isn't some political debate. I'm telling you that you and yours have to start paying attention to your animosity because if it isn't intentional, it's coming through subconsciously.

As I've said before, that's man to man. Unlike many others, my personality is no different off the board than on and my word to you, man to man, is that you really have to outgrow that shit at some point.

If you remember, I've always been fond of your take on things when the earlier incarnation of Donger was more about attacking the establishment. This shit is bananas now and if it isn't where you are really coming from as a human being, know that - at least for me - it's painting a picture of someone counter to who you say you truly are.

Danny </font>[/QUOTE]I've already adressed the issue of the photo.

As far as the "whitey white white" comment, if you are trying to say people don't think like that, then I can no longer converse with you. That's reality, and if you don't want to accept it, you are seriously out of touch.

AND don't think I am confusing black pride with blacks who are just hatin on whitey, I know there is a BIG difference.

I can choose to adress any issue through satire if I feel like it, the way you often adress many whites' insensitivity towards blacks, and it isn't insensitive of either of us to adress these issues.

[JL]

wow, can the dhp negros and dhp god's gift to the negro aka white liberals resolve differences in this thread?


daniel, to answer your question and donger's assertation that he didn't get any hand me downs; i'll briefly comment in 3 ways.

in general these institutions stand to benefit the group in power at the expense of keeping the other marginalized groups out. this doesn't mean that defacto all whites benefit, but that minorities in general do not receive this age old benefit. throw that in combination with the fact that minorites didn't even have basic equal civil rights till 40 years ago, and you still have a very skewed landscape. if you think about it, whites have enjoyed a much more powerful institutionalized affirmative action prior to then, and still do rather discretely in country clubs, frats, business social networks, alumni networks, etc.

additionally, although you, donger, orion, and many, many other whites haven't received as direct a benefit, the option to do so was always there. that option, however, isn't really available to minorities. i condition my last statement because i recognize that yes, a black/asian/whatever guy could join a traditional frat, country club, etc - but it's usually at some personal psychological expense, i.e. you're a sellout, "oreo/carlton", "twinkie", etc.

the psychological damage inflicted on minorites due to the negation of these opportunites enjoyed by the dominant group starts with more trivial things at a younger age. you may be the coolest, smartest, best at sports, pretty/handsome, etc in your own group, but that's not enough when put up against the majority. the more easily recognized soundbite for this damage is the glass ceiling, where you think you can have it all, but you realize you can't because of such factors when you reach a certain point.

[The Donger]

Markbe represented big time.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
Bold Soul, I can think of a recent racial insenstive post I made, which I already apoligized for because I realized it was bad judgement.

But you keep saying I attack blacks continuously. That's a ****ing laugh.

I would like to learn more about how I continuously attack blacks. As far as I can remember, I gotten a lot of slack for defending whites and pointing out that people here need to stop making generalizations about white folks. And that makes me foul? The picture of a black man being punched out by a blonde haired-blue eyed white man and the words "Nigga got owned" and the reference to "whitey white white folks" in the Shelter post just capped what I've seen as a progression of racial insensitivity coming from you. That there is a pattern of causing dissention and then sidestepping when called on it only exacerbates the problem. People whose own insensitive drivel start defending you and it mushrooms out of control.

Look - this isn't some political debate. I'm telling you that you and yours have to start paying attention to your animosity because if it isn't intentional, it's coming through subconsciously.

As I've said before, that's man to man. Unlike many others, my personality is no different off the board than on and my word to you, man to man, is that you really have to outgrow that shit at some point.

If you remember, I've always been fond of your take on things when the earlier incarnation of Donger was more about attacking the establishment. This shit is bananas now and if it isn't where you are really coming from as a human being, know that - at least for me - it's painting a picture of someone counter to who you say you truly are.

Danny </font>[/QUOTE]I've already adressed the issue of the photo.

As far as the "whitey white white" comment, if you are trying to say people don't think like that, then I can no longer converse with you. That's reality, and if you don't want to accept it, you are seriously out of touch.

AND don't think I am confusing black pride with blacks who are just hatin on whitey, I know there is a BIG difference.

I can choose to adress any issue through satire if I feel like it, the way you often adress many whites' insensitivity towards blacks, and it isn't insensitive of either of us to adress these issues. </font>[/QUOTE]So you're going to attempt to tell this black man that he's out of touch with the thoughts of his own people?

And you want to compare our styles?

And you want to reduce the real issue of your animosity toward blacks to a picture and bad joke?

Unreal. Go ahead then. Looks like the amateurs have the floor. Abracadabra.

[The Donger]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
Bold Soul, I can think of a recent racial insenstive post I made, which I already apoligized for because I realized it was bad judgement.

But you keep saying I attack blacks continuously. That's a ****ing laugh.

I would like to learn more about how I continuously attack blacks. As far as I can remember, I gotten a lot of slack for defending whites and pointing out that people here need to stop making generalizations about white folks. And that makes me foul? The picture of a black man being punched out by a blonde haired-blue eyed white man and the words "Nigga got owned" and the reference to "whitey white white folks" in the Shelter post just capped what I've seen as a progression of racial insensitivity coming from you. That there is a pattern of causing dissention and then sidestepping when called on it only exacerbates the problem. People whose own insensitive drivel start defending you and it mushrooms out of control.

Look - this isn't some political debate. I'm telling you that you and yours have to start paying attention to your animosity because if it isn't intentional, it's coming through subconsciously.

As I've said before, that's man to man. Unlike many others, my personality is no different off the board than on and my word to you, man to man, is that you really have to outgrow that shit at some point.

If you remember, I've always been fond of your take on things when the earlier incarnation of Donger was more about attacking the establishment. This shit is bananas now and if it isn't where you are really coming from as a human being, know that - at least for me - it's painting a picture of someone counter to who you say you truly are.

Danny </font>[/QUOTE]I've already adressed the issue of the photo.

As far as the "whitey white white" comment, if you are trying to say people don't think like that, then I can no longer converse with you. That's reality, and if you don't want to accept it, you are seriously out of touch.

AND don't think I am confusing black pride with blacks who are just hatin on whitey, I know there is a BIG difference.

I can choose to adress any issue through satire if I feel like it, the way you often adress many whites' insensitivity towards blacks, and it isn't insensitive of either of us to adress these issues. </font>[/QUOTE]So you're going to attempt to tell this black man that he's out of touch with the thoughts of his own people?

And you want to compare our styles?

And you want to reduce the real issue of your animosity toward blacks to a picture and bad joke?

Unreal. Go ahead then. Looks like the amateurs have the floor. Abracadabra. </font>[/QUOTE]Looks like it's all about ego with you isn't it?

bye.

[Moksha]

Donger...it's impossible with this guy. I AGREE with him, and he just keeps on going... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[miss al boogie]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
MHD once again has the one line

there are forces out there that we should be attacking together

we are all basically down even though we don't really understand each other

there are no real racists on this board cause they wouldn't accept the intermingling of races period (remember Oz and the Ghetto gums)

we are all probably insensitive to some extent about other peeps in terms of sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion

When we as blacks complain about the disrespect we feel its something that white people can never relate too without having grown up black in America (no matter how down you think you are).....its rampant and pervasive and mentally intrusive

And i'm sure that i can never undersatnd how it feels to be white and of good intent and who tries to walk the line of freindship with peeps of other colors while knowing that there is a lot of racial baggage in this country that they didn't statrt but have to deal with its legacy Great

Now Im gonna start crying n shit. </font>[/QUOTE]but that's good graemlins/thumbsup.gif
because we all have to become uncomfortable with our roles in this society in order to better them, make them more 'equal' perhaps. it's necessary to hash this stuff out this way...i'm glad this thread exists.

i can sit here and say as a white woman, nothing has been handed to me. but i've seen people work as hard as i do and not get as much as i do...

it's important to really be perceptive and pay attention to the subtleties. racism is a continuum...it's not you burn crosses and shout the n word you're racist/ you don't burn crosses and shout it, you're not. we all hold prejudices for anything, it's human. but what's important, is not to walk around denying we are these things. but rather challenge ourselves to see, hmmm maybe i am slightly...i don't like it. how can i change it?

[jimmymack-2000]

Thank you all for an enlightening and thought-provoking thread!

[Moksha]

Originally posted by JL:
wow, can the dhp negros and dhp god's gift to the negro aka white liberals resolve differences in this thread?


daniel, to answer your question and donger's assertation that he didn't get any hand me downs; i'll briefly comment in 3 ways.

in general these institutions stand to benefit the group in power at the expense of keeping the other marginalized groups out. this doesn't mean that defacto all whites benefit, but that minorities in general do not receive this age old benefit. throw that in combination with the fact that minorites didn't even have basic equal civil rights till 40 years ago, and you still have a very skewed landscape. if you think about it, whites have enjoyed a much more powerful institutionalized affirmative action prior to then, and still do rather discretely in country clubs, frats, business social networks, alumni networks, etc.

additionally, although you, donger, orion, and many, many other whites haven't received as direct a benefit, the option to do so was always there. that option, however, isn't really available to minorities. i condition my last statement because i recognize that yes, a black/asian/whatever guy could join a traditional frat, country club, etc - but it's usually at some personal psychological expense, i.e. you're a sellout, "oreo/carlton", "twinkie", etc.

the psychological damage inflicted on minorites due to the negation of these opportunites enjoyed by the dominant group starts with more trivial things at a younger age. you may be the coolest, smartest, best at sports, pretty/handsome, etc in your own group, but that's not enough when put up against the majority. the more easily recognized soundbite for this damage is the glass ceiling, where you think you can have it all, but you realize you can't because of such factors when you reach a certain point. Good post.

By the way: I am well aware of the unfair advantages my whiteness has given me. Hell...all I have to do is look back on the different ways in which teachers and other authority figures treated me and my minority peers. That same differentiation continues through college, the job market, the loan office, etc. etc.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by al boogie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
MHD once again has the one line

there are forces out there that we should be attacking together

we are all basically down even though we don't really understand each other

there are no real racists on this board cause they wouldn't accept the intermingling of races period (remember Oz and the Ghetto gums)

we are all probably insensitive to some extent about other peeps in terms of sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion

When we as blacks complain about the disrespect we feel its something that white people can never relate too without having grown up black in America (no matter how down you think you are).....its rampant and pervasive and mentally intrusive

And i'm sure that i can never undersatnd how it feels to be white and of good intent and who tries to walk the line of freindship with peeps of other colors while knowing that there is a lot of racial baggage in this country that they didn't statrt but have to deal with its legacy Great

Now Im gonna start crying n shit. </font>[/QUOTE]but that's good graemlins/thumbsup.gif
because we all have to become uncomfortable with our roles in this society in order to better them, make them more 'equal' perhaps. it's necessary to hash this stuff out this way...i'm glad this thread exists.

i can sit here and say as a white woman, nothing has been handed to me. but i've seen people work as hard as i do and not get as much as i do...

it's important to really be perceptive and pay attention to the subtleties. racism is a continuum...it's not you burn crosses and shout the n word you're racist/ you don't burn crosses and shout it, you're not. we all hold prejudices for anything, it's human. but what's important, is not to walk around denying we are these things. but rather challenge ourselves to see, hmmm maybe i am slightly...i don't like it. how can i change it? </font>[/QUOTE]i have 2 kids and had to check myself one day and say "shit, let me not say any anti______ shit in front of them? why cause thats how the hate starts...then i checked myself and wondered why i felt animosity towards _______ and had to admit it was irrational and based on rational differences that i was pushing towards irrational dislike

am i a racist/homophobe/antireligo/mysoginist - to some extent YES

but i got to admit its getting better all the time (won't get no worse)

KNOW THYSELF

[eleeut]

this has been a good thread.

[daniel]

can we close it now?

[jimmymack-2000]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:

am i a racist/homophobe/antireligo/mysoginist - to some extent YES

KNOW THYSELF That right there is a big part of all of this: there's "normal" human bias/preference/framework/whatever you want to call it, then there's subconsciously displaying racist tendencies (different from the first state of mind in that it's often accompanied by the denial, "but he's worse" kinda BS), then there's outright fanning the flames of racial hatred.

SIDE NOTE: My regular gig is owned by an older Chinese guy who emigrated here dirt-poor around 15 years ago. His son, who grew up here, is cool, but the old man's got a real thing for young black kids dressed in "hip-hop" gear, and shows them the door as soon as they walk in (it ain't a great neighborhood). Conversely, I've been in a roti shop owned by a Chinese-Caribbean man, and seen a big dread call him "Missa Chink"...

[JL]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
am i a racist/homophobe/antireligo/mysoginist - to some extent YES

but i got to admit its getting better all the time (won't get no worse)

KNOW THYSELF from all the shit that you post, this is gold, and something everyone can learn from.

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
oh boy here it comes...i wonder how you feel about legacies at Harvard and Yale and other top schools for undeserving whites who gain admittance by chance of birth?..or have you ever even discussed it?

Damn, I wish shit was handed over to me like that. Never got a hand out unfortunately... </font>[/QUOTE]that's cuz you are colombian, dumb hole.

[Bold Soul]

Well it's all peace and love and agreement and honest observations now, isn't it?

I can remember a few occasions where it was all peace and love and agreement and honest observations before, and we got back around to the bullshit. In the real world, one gets no points for effort. Remember that shit before you post some more insensitive and/or racist bullshit.

As far as I'm concerned, seven pages of posts ain't changin' no stripes. We'll see muthafukas. We'll see.

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Well it's all peace and love and agreement and honest observations now, isn't it?

I can remember a few occasions where it was all peace and love and agreement and honest observations before, and we got back around to the bullshit. In the real world, one gets no points for effort. Remember that shit before you post some more insensitive and/or racist bullshit.

As far as I'm concerned, seven pages of posts ain't changin' no stripes. We'll see muthafukas. We'll see. This is going to be my signature from now on:

"Remember that shit before you post some more insensitive and/or racist bullshit"

I hope some people got the message this time. It is not wanted on this board or appreciated.

-G

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by daniel:
please let me know if i'm in power, even tho i didn't join a fraternity. i'd like to start exercising it at once. try excercising first, chins.

[rob brito]

[ July 11, 2003, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: robs ]

[rob brito]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the graemlins/grinyes.gif Reviled:

am i a racist/homophobe/antireligo/mysoginist - to some extent YES

KNOW THYSELF That right there is a big part of all of this: there's "normal" human bias/preference/framework/whatever you want to call it, then there's subconsciously displaying racist tendencies (different from the first state of mind in that it's often accompanied by the denial, "but he's worse" kinda BS), then there's outright fanning the flames of racial hatred.

SIDE NOTE: My regular gig is owned by an older Chinese guy who emigrated here dirt-poor around 15 years ago. His son, who grew up here, is cool, but the old man's got a real thing for young black kids dressed in "hip-hop" gear, and shows them the door as soon as they walk in (it ain't a great neighborhood). Conversely, I've been in a roti shop owned by a Chinese-Caribbean man, and seen a big dread call him "Missa Chink"... </font>[/QUOTE]you're talking about the blue moon? steve's dad?

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[jimmymack-2000]

Originally posted by robs:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the graemlins/grinyes.gif Reviled:

am i a racist/homophobe/antireligo/mysoginist - to some extent YES

KNOW THYSELF That right there is a big part of all of this: there's "normal" human bias/preference/framework/whatever you want to call it, then there's subconsciously displaying racist tendencies (different from the first state of mind in that it's often accompanied by the denial, "but he's worse" kinda BS), then there's outright fanning the flames of racial hatred.

SIDE NOTE: My regular gig is owned by an older Chinese guy who emigrated here dirt-poor around 15 years ago. His son, who grew up here, is cool, but the old man's got a real thing for young black kids dressed in "hip-hop" gear, and shows them the door as soon as they walk in (it ain't a great neighborhood). Conversely, I've been in a roti shop owned by a Chinese-Caribbean man, and seen a big dread call him "Missa Chink"... </font>[/QUOTE]you're talking about the blue moon? steve's dad?

graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/grinyes.gif </font>[/QUOTE]NO NAMES, MAN, NO NAMES!!

[rob brito]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by robs:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the graemlins/grinyes.gif Reviled:

am i a racist/homophobe/antireligo/mysoginist - to some extent YES

KNOW THYSELF That right there is a big part of all of this: there's "normal" human bias/preference/framework/whatever you want to call it, then there's subconsciously displaying racist tendencies (different from the first state of mind in that it's often accompanied by the denial, "but he's worse" kinda BS), then there's outright fanning the flames of racial hatred.

SIDE NOTE: My regular gig is owned by an older Chinese guy who emigrated here dirt-poor around 15 years ago. His son, who grew up here, is cool, but the old man's got a real thing for young black kids dressed in "hip-hop" gear, and shows them the door as soon as they walk in (it ain't a great neighborhood). Conversely, I've been in a roti shop owned by a Chinese-Caribbean man, and seen a big dread call him "Missa Chink"... </font>[/QUOTE]you're talking about the blue moon? steve's dad?

graemlins/jpshakehead.gif graemlins/grinyes.gif </font>[/QUOTE]NO NAMES, MAN, NO NAMES!! </font>[/QUOTE]relax man! i know him well and he's not racist.

he'll show the door to anyone looking like they just woke up. he's a good man.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Well it's all peace and love and agreement and honest observations now, isn't it?

I can remember a few occasions where it was all peace and love and agreement and honest observations before, and we got back around to the bullshit. In the real world, one gets no points for effort. Remember that shit before you post some more insensitive and/or racist bullshit.

As far as I'm concerned, seven pages of posts ain't changin' no stripes. We'll see muthafukas. We'll see. as i said on page one your post was the friggin neutron bomb and it has spared noone (including myself)..the main thingis taht itallowed peeps to be honest about themselves and their dealings with others..some ( i hope myself included) have benefitted from it and some will head to the high brush - for now

time will tell


as i said before this is the thread of the year and has proved to be eye-opening on so many levels

much respect to Bold Soul for dropping a much needed bomb

too bad some still don't get it

[jimmymack-2000]

Originally posted by robs:
relax man! i know him well and he's not racist.

he'll show the door to anyone looking like they just woke up. he's a good man. Cool--just jokes!

[mhd]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i have been attacking idiots all my life, this is just the latest forum, to be honest, we are not that far apart in our thinking and that to me is my greatest regret because there are forces out there that we should be attacking together That's the sad thing about these threads, and what I was getting at with my "I like how ..." post. I don't really think that you and Magus believe that every white person on this board uses the N word around his or her white friends and has a love/hate relationship with black people, so why do you have to insinuate as much?

Well, as I typed the above, Magus made a much better point to the same effect, so maybe this was all productive after all ... </font>[/QUOTE]it will be productive if you keep your boy in check

[The Donger]

[ July 11, 2003, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: The Donger ]

[mhd]

i know its hard to accept the lesson, but eventually it will sink in, if not, i'll be right here

[The Donger]

[ July 11, 2003, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: The Donger ]

[Moksha]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Mark Bs post could have brought closure. Instead, Konbit AGAIN fcuks it up with bullshit rhetoric.

Man Konbit - if you can't see why those of us who take this shit seriously clown you after this (not to mention clowning MHD and his track record), will you ever see it? What is wrong with you? I AGREED with mhd and MarkB!!!?!?!?!

Your personal beef with me is becoming very transparent. Please go back and read my posts. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm still baffled by the accusation of "bullshit rhetoric." Did anybody understand this?

[mhd]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Mark Bs post could have brought closure. Instead, Konbit AGAIN fcuks it up with bullshit rhetoric.

Man Konbit - if you can't see why those of us who take this shit seriously clown you after this (not to mention clowning MHD and his track record), will you ever see it? What is wrong with you? I AGREED with mhd and MarkB!!!?!?!?!

Your personal beef with me is becoming very transparent. Please go back and read my posts. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm still baffled by the accusation of "bullshit rhetoric." Did anybody understand this? </font>[/QUOTE]let it marinate

[Moksha]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Mark Bs post could have brought closure. Instead, Konbit AGAIN fcuks it up with bullshit rhetoric.

Man Konbit - if you can't see why those of us who take this shit seriously clown you after this (not to mention clowning MHD and his track record), will you ever see it? What is wrong with you? I AGREED with mhd and MarkB!!!?!?!?!

Your personal beef with me is becoming very transparent. Please go back and read my posts. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm still baffled by the accusation of "bullshit rhetoric." Did anybody understand this? </font>[/QUOTE]let it marinate </font>[/QUOTE]I have...and i still don't see why I get accused of "****ing it all up," when all I said is that you and MarkB were right and made very insightful posts.

[mhd]

give it more time, then accept it or not

[Moksha]

Come on man, Bold attacks me (once again) in response to me saying that MarkB wrote a very good post. And I'm supposed to accept that. WTF? Pretend that I am a complete idiot, and explain to me how this makes sense.

[jimmymack-2000]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
Come on man, Bold attacks me (once again) in response to me saying that MarkB wrote a very good post. And I'm supposed to accept that. WTF? Pretend that I am a complete idiot, and explain to me how this makes sense. I think it's your "..and love a good arguement" line. Either that, or you didn't let them have the last word.

[Moksha]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
Come on man, Bold attacks me (once again) in response to me saying that MarkB wrote a very good post. And I'm supposed to accept that. WTF? Pretend that I am a complete idiot, and explain to me how this makes sense. I think it's your "..and love a good arguement" line. Either that, or you didn't let them have the last word. </font>[/QUOTE]"love a good argument" was self-effacing (thus the angel smiley), and my last word was supporting their last word.

Surreal.

[ July 11, 2003, 03:56 PM: Message edited by: Orion : Konbit ]

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
oh boy here it comes...i wonder how you feel about legacies at Harvard and Yale and other top schools for undeserving whites who gain admittance by chance of birth?..or have you ever even discussed it?

Damn, I wish shit was handed over to me like that. Never got a hand out unfortunately... </font>[/QUOTE]and obviously you don't know what a legacy is </font>[/QUOTE]to break it down..legacies allow the sons of rich (and lets face it white) alumni to enroll in institutions without having to be as capable as other applicants..in that way they are undeserving because they are being given a free pass based on family ties rather than academic merit </font>[/QUOTE]As in George Bush Jr.

[mhd]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
Come on man, Bold attacks me (once again) in response to me saying that MarkB wrote a very good post. And I'm supposed to accept that. WTF? Pretend that I am a complete idiot, and explain to me how this makes sense. i wrote accept it or not

[Moksha]

Does this mean that you don't understand either? Talk about being damned if you do and damned if you don't! I have re-read the entire thread, and I have absolutely no idea. I noticed he responded to MatthewJ's post...maybe he got us confused?

Alright, I guess I'll let it go...

[martino]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Mark Bs post could have brought closure. Instead, Konbit AGAIN fcuks it up with bullshit rhetoric.

Man Konbit - if you can't see why those of us who take this shit seriously clown you after this (not to mention clowning MHD and his track record), will you ever see it? What is wrong with you? I AGREED with mhd and MarkB!!!?!?!?!

Your personal beef with me is becoming very transparent. Please go back and read my posts. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm still baffled by the accusation of "bullshit rhetoric." Did anybody understand this? </font>[/QUOTE]i could be wrong, but i think bold was reffering to a post that mathew J wrote (about the "punching in the stomache") cause thats what was quoted. which would mean that it would have been a misdirected reply.

[der geile hund]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
i have been attacking idiots all my life, this is just the latest forum, to be honest, we are not that far apart in our thinking and that to me is my greatest regret because there are forces out there that we should be attacking together That's the sad thing about these threads, and what I was getting at with my "I like how ..." post. I don't really think that you and Magus believe that every white person on this board uses the N word around his or her white friends and has a love/hate relationship with black people, so why do you have to insinuate as much?

Well, as I typed the above, Magus made a much better point to the same effect, so maybe this was all productive after all ... </font>[/QUOTE]it will be productive if you keep your boy in check </font>[/QUOTE]Who is this boy you're referring to, and why am I responsible for him?

[däp]

Originally posted by daniel:
can we close it now? http://deephousepage.com/smilies/xyxwave.gif