The blind leading the deaf dumb and blind, " UK Mixmag "

[Martin Red]

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1. Leftfield - Release The Pressure (Original 12" Mix)
2. Transformer 2 - Pacific Symphony
3. Golden Girls - Kinetic (Frank De Wulf Remix)
4. EMF - It's You (Orbital's 13 1/2% Mix)
5. E-Trax - Let's Rock
6. Outlander - The Vamp
7. Cybersonik - Technarchy
8. DJ Hell - My Definition Of House Music
9. Hardfloor - Acperience 1
10. Jam & Spoon - Stella (Original Mix)
11. Dimensional Holofonic Sound - The House Of God (X-Energy Remix)
12. TC 1992 - Funky Guitar
13. Sounds Of Blackness - The Pressure (UBP Classic Radio Mix)


These CD's where free Cover CD's from Mixmag UK.

Spot the mistakes ?


they also did a I love 1991 CD, which had Renegage Soundwave - The Phantom and Dextrous, truly the stupid leading the stupid, for ****s sake aren't these arse holes suppose to be experts, who ever thought of this CD should be sacked and someone with some knowledge should be put into there place, they probably got the job due to academic qualifications, yeah well it wasn't very usefull, getting the year wrong, ****ed up ! sack the cock suckers graemlins/tongueout.gif

[ May 19, 2003, 08:06 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[Martin Red]

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Spot the mistakes

1. Altern 8 - Infiltrate 202
2. New Atlantic - I Know
3. React 2 Rhythm - Intoxication (Leftfield Mix)
4. Fortran 5 - Look To The Future
5. Renegade Soundwave - The Phantom
6. The Scientist - The Bee
7. Impedance - Tainted Love
8. Sueno Latino - Sueno Latino
9. Shamen - Move Any Mountain (Beat Edit)
10. GTO - The Bullfrog
11. Joey Beltram - My Sound
12. The Psychopaths - Nightmares
13. Ramirez - La Musica Tremenda
14. Rising High Collective - Fevre Called Love
15. Nightmares On Wax - Dextrous
AR15firing.gif

graemlins/puke.gif ****ing piss on these kids, these UK Mixmag fools know shit, these errors down to cock sucking fools or nepatism ?

[ May 19, 2003, 08:05 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[beaniboy67]

lmfao.The track listing leave a lot to be desired.i no most of those tracks too thats the sad thing.

[Jolyon]

Sueno Latino was 1989. Dextrous was 1990.

[Martin Red]

Yep , the problem is the ****ing years are ****ed up.


1992 CD
7. Cybersonik - Technarchy which was 2 years earlier

Spot the others on this one see if any others are 2 years wrong

1991 one also about 2 years out of date

5. Renegade Soundwave - The Phantom 1989
6. The Scientist - The Bee 1990
7. Impedance - Tainted Love 1989
8. Sueno Latino - Sueno Latino - 1989
15. Nightmares On Wax - Dextrous, Jolyon , this was also 1989.

I know this shit like the veins on my dick, I was DJing then . perhaps these little gatecrasher pricks that are making this shit up need to consult the mother****ers that where THERE ! they are probably just trying to pass themselves off as clued up by adding on two ****ing years FOOLS ! graemlins/cussing.gif

[ May 19, 2003, 08:45 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[Al Kent]

Does it matter?

[Bran (Bad attitude and from London)]

Martin,

Why don't you send in a letter advising them of the obvious errors and see if they reply or print is in the next issue. They might employ you as the compiler for the next ones. Think about the £'s, not the shame.

Peace

[beaniboy67]

Martin im the same i have been listening to house for about 14 years and these mixmag ...ts are full of shi...Even in the early 90s these mixmag fuc...ers were full of crap.SUperclub, super dj--Full of mince lol. :D

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Well, the playlist sparked a memory, The Scientist. Does anyone remember The Scientist's "Spiral Symphony" that came out around 1991? Dope track!!

Peace

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by Al Kent:
Does it matter? Yes ! why would you think it's wouldn't ?

Two years out is fairly inaccurate, and if your a dance mag you should ****ing know that info never mind attempting to compile a CD.


Al Kent from London who's into Southern Soul from the 80's , would that matter ?
:rolleyes:

[ May 19, 2003, 09:10 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[Al Kent]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
Al Kent from London who's into Southern Soul from the 80's , would that matter ?
:rolleyes: Not really, I don't read Mixmag, its contents/free gifts bear no relation to my life, nor anyone I know or care about.

When I go shopping I'm shocked at how many people are now living on the streets of Glasgow, walking with sticks because their veins are collapsing through injecting. My local maternity hospital is closing due to lack of funding. The Scottish Parliament is costing an obscene amount of millions and now we're planning on wasting 8 billion on hosting the olympics - THAT matters!

[ May 19, 2003, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: Al Kent ]

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by Al Kent:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
Al Kent from London who's into Southern Soul from the 80's , would that matter ?
:rolleyes: Not really, I don't read Mixmag, its contents/free gifts bear no relation to my life, nor anyone I know or care about.

When I go shopping I'm shocked at how many people are now living on the streets of Glasgow, walking with sticks because their veins are collapsing through injecting. My local maternity hospital is closing due to lack of funding. The Scottish Parliament is costing an obscene amount of millions and now we're planning on wasting 8 billion on hosting the olympics - THAT matters! </font>[/QUOTE]Well why don't you start another post about that and get the **** of this one ?

Since your so fussed about smack heads I am wondering what you doing to assist since it means so much ?

Smack heads in Glasgow ain't my concern, one mans interest is another mans BBC2 documentary.

[Al Kent]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Al Kent:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
Al Kent from London who's into Southern Soul from the 80's , would that matter ?
:rolleyes: Not really, I don't read Mixmag, its contents/free gifts bear no relation to my life, nor anyone I know or care about.

When I go shopping I'm shocked at how many people are now living on the streets of Glasgow, walking with sticks because their veins are collapsing through injecting. My local maternity hospital is closing due to lack of funding. The Scottish Parliament is costing an obscene amount of millions and now we're planning on wasting 8 billion on hosting the olympics - THAT matters! </font>[/QUOTE]Well why don't you start another post about that and get the **** of this one ?

Since your so fussed about smack heads I am wondering what you doing to assist since it means so much ?

Smack heads in Glasgow ain't my concern, one mans interest is another mans BBC2 documentary. </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry

[Mah'chew]

Can I step in and say, what f@ckin right has the Ministry of Sound magazine got of making a Hacienda mix CD?

The best free CD was with Jockey Slut, or was it The Herb Garden, the one that just had unmixed Acid classics on it..

If it wasn't the Herb Garden, they're worth a mention anyway, bloody class, was the Herb..

I thought Mixmag had done one?

If not, what drugs are they promoting this month, Benylin and Amyl shooters??? :D

[ May 19, 2003, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: Mathius ]

[Jolyon]

I'm proud to say I've not bought a copy of Mixmag since 1996. And I only bought it then to read Bill Brewster or Frank Tope's trainspotting stuff. It's been arse for years. Update was alright mind you. At least they refrained from printing pix of gurning girl with fluffy bras.

[djklas]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
I'm proud to say I've not bought a copy of Mixmag since 1996. And I only bought it then to read Bill Brewster or Frank Tope's trainspotting stuff. It's been arse for years. Update was alright mind you. At least they refrained from printing pix of gurning girl with fluffy bras. Best UK dance mag that I've seen is FAITH, Bill's all over those too! Props LBG!

[danny webb]

Matthius it was Muzik ag who did the unmixed acid house classics, i still have the CD, if I find it, I'll post up the T/L for all to see. I was a fan of Magic Feet myself, wehen I could find it.

[Al Kent]

Anyone remember Chortlers? What happened to it?

[danny webb]

Muzik & MasterCuts
Old Skool [sic] Classics (free in 1998)

Kariya - Let me love You for Tonight
A Guy Called Gerald - Voodoo Ray
Rhythm is Rhythm - Nude Photo
Jungle brothers - I'll House You
Joe Smooth - Promised Land
Slam - Positive Education
Beltram - Energy Flash
Hardfloor - Acperience
Leftfield - Song of Life
Sueno Latino - Sueno Latino

Hope that's the right one, now I typed all that.

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by danny webb:
Muzik & MasterCuts
Old Skool [sic] Classics (free in 1998)

Kariya - Let me love You for Tonight
A Guy Called Gerald - Voodoo Ray
Rhythm is Rhythm - Nude Photo
Jungle brothers - I'll House You
Joe Smooth - Promised Land
Slam - Positive Education
Beltram - Energy Flash
Hardfloor - Acperience
Leftfield - Song of Life
Sueno Latino - Sueno Latino

Hope that's the right one, now I typed all that. That's the Old Skool Clasics with the smiley face cover, very good for a free CD.

I have a mixmag kiss fm CD from 1990 and that has 5 different mixes...
Judge Jules - Major Force mix
Colin Faver - Warp mix
Richie Rich - Gee St mix
Danny Rampling - Creation mix
Tee Harris - NuGroove mix
graemlins/thumbsup.gif that's the first CD I owned I think.

[ May 19, 2003, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by Bran W:
Martin,

Why don't you send in a letter advising them of the obvious errors and see if they reply or print is in the next issue. They might employ you as the compiler for the next ones. Think about the £'s, not the shame.

Peace graemlins/thumbsup.gif not a bad idea

[beaniboy67]

slam-positive education
lmfao
i have been stuck to the speakers a few times when orde and stuart dropped that effort.Very hard and i wouldnt say its old school.Defo a classic not that id play it or choose to listen to it now a days but i have about 3 copies of it up my loft.I even have Slam-eterna white label copy that was bought before it even came into circulation.Now that is a f...ukn tune.thatswhen those Slam dudes were with it.

[Jolyon]

Martin I remember that CD...what's on the Rampling mix? I Hate Hate - Sound Of Shoom? Young MC - Know How?

[martin]

The offices for Mixmag were round the corner from my last pub and they used to come in a lot. ****wits the lot of them (after your day LBG) - thought they were cooler-than-thou 'cos they could tell people they worked for Mixmag. We're not ****ing worthy. Seemed to spend most of there time thinking up the next ****ing house sub-genre, whilst they weren't boring me tears.

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
Martin I remember that CD...what's on the Rampling mix? I Hate Hate - Sound Of Shoom? Young MC - Know How? graemlins/thumbsup.gif
Technics Presents The mixmag Kiss FM Mastermixes.

I think this was the first free CD on a UK magazine

Creation\Rampling

The sound of shoom - I hate I hate
Hypnotone - Dream beam
Crazy Eddie - Nena De Ibiza

Richie Rich/Gee Street

Queen Latifah - Evil that men do
Troy Taylor - The way you move
Jungle Brothers - Because I got it like that (ultimatum mix)
Jungle Brothers - Because I got it like that (ricie rich mix)
Jungle Brothers - The break
Outlaw Posse - Cashing large cheques
Outlaw Posse - Make da moov

Major Force/Jules

Major Force DJ Mix feat DJ Milo - Return of the original Artform
Major Force DJ Mix feat DJ Milo - Thumpin
T.P.O - Family stoned beat
The Orchids - I will call you (Instrume.)
Tycoon Tosh and the terminator Troups - Live wire voo doo
Tiny Panx - Last Orgy (instr.)
Tycoon Tosh and the terminator Troups - Zenguin in action

Warp/Faver

Sweet Exorcist - test 4
Nightmares on Wax - Aftermath LFO (LFO remix)
Forgemasters - Shall we
LFO - Track 4
LFO - Mentok 1
Nightmares on Wax - Dextrous
Forgemasters - track with no name
LFO - Probe

Nugroove/Harris

Transphonic - Get down
Rocqui - Lover
Joey Negro - Do it believe it
Bas Noir - I'm glad you came to me
Asia Love - You should be here
Pace - Keep with the pace


"Highly respresented of the way dance music is going in the 90's"

phew biggrinangel.gif

[ May 19, 2003, 01:58 PM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[Mah'chew]

Originally posted by djklas:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jolyon:
I'm proud to say I've not bought a copy of Mixmag since 1996. And I only bought it then to read Bill Brewster or Frank Tope's trainspotting stuff. It's been arse for years. Update was alright mind you. At least they refrained from printing pix of gurning girl with fluffy bras. Best UK dance mag that I've seen is FAITH, Bill's all over those too! Props LBG! </font>[/QUOTE]No disrespect to Bill or Leo, but Faith is a bit,???, well, they have their fair share of pictures of models and Jamie Theakston look-a-likies wearing 'Bathing Ape' getting down at their parties - maybe this is just London, I don't know, but it all looks like everyone tries really hard and is not looking to sweat, which ain't house...

[Mah'chew]

Originally posted by danny webb:
Matthius it was Muzik ag who did the unmixed acid house classics, i still have the CD, if I find it, I'll post up the T/L for all to see. I was a fan of Magic Feet myself, wehen I could find it. No, mine is Jockey Slut, it has a sheet of fake smiley blotter acid on the front (bet some kids in Leeds cut them out and sold them to the tourists, he-he-he). It's all Chicago tracks and it has Voodooo Ray on it and Nude Photo

[Mah'chew]

Jockey Sluts' London XPress was cool too, David Holmes, DJ Harvey and Andrew Weatherall

[Matt_JF]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
I'm proud to say I've not bought a copy of Mixmag since 1996. And I only bought it then to read Bill Brewster or Frank Tope's trainspotting stuff. It's been arse for years. He he, reading about Dan Prince's antics was a good laugh as well. Have 2 say ain't bought it in years - went downhill when all that handbag come along - "5 DJ's go fishing" and all that shite articles. More like the dance scene's Hello than for the DJ's.
I ain't surprised by the current lot cocking up tracklistings - most of em are very young - but even so Outlander being marked up as 92 and Tainted Love as 91 is a bit piss poor if your'e working for a dance mag.

[s parris]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
I have a mixmag kiss fm CD from 1990 and that has 5 different mixes...
Judge Jules - Major Force mix
Colin Faver - Warp mix
Richie Rich - Gee St mix
Danny Rampling - Creation mix
Tee Harris - NuGroove mix
graemlins/thumbsup.gif that's the first CD I owned I think. Thanks for the memories Martin smile.gif I still have this somewhere as well.

SP

[ladyboygrimsby]

Originally posted by Mathius:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djklas:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jolyon:
I'm proud to say I've not bought a copy of Mixmag since 1996. And I only bought it then to read Bill Brewster or Frank Tope's trainspotting stuff. It's been arse for years. Update was alright mind you. At least they refrained from printing pix of gurning girl with fluffy bras. Best UK dance mag that I've seen is FAITH, Bill's all over those too! Props LBG! </font>[/QUOTE]No disrespect to Bill or Leo, but Faith is a bit,???, well, they have their fair share of pictures of models and Jamie Theakston look-a-likies wearing 'Bathing Ape' getting down at their parties - maybe this is just London, I don't know, but it all looks like everyone tries really hard and is not looking to sweat, which ain't house... </font>[/QUOTE]I think if you'd ever been to a Faith (or a Lowlife, for that matter), then you'd know different.

[Mah'chew]

Fair play Bill, high fashionista content in the pictorials, would be fairer...Every lass looks like Meg Matthews, I'm sure it's not a Faith thing and more a London thing..

Although, I found the comment 'Bathing Ape opens London store - that's killed that then..' in the Wrong/Right section as very ironic :D

[ladyboygrimsby]

Originally posted by Mathius:
Fair play Bill, high fashionista content in the pictorials, would be fairer...Every lass looks like Meg Matthews, I'm sure it's not a Faith thing and more a London thing..

Although, I found the comment 'Bathing Ape opens London store - that's killed that then..' in the Wrong/Right section as very ironic :D I don't even know what Bathing Ape is. Do they make T-shirts or something?

[Kemi J]

Mixmag sells to a British crowd, so they focus on British artists, often not giving credit where credit is due, and going nuts over artists that aren't that good just because they are british. Basement Jaxx, for instance, had a few good cuts, but are not that good. Mixmag played them up to be house gods ala Ron and Larry (though they never used those words) when Rooty was released. This pissed me off.

I have to give respect though, it was mixmag that opened my eyes (and ears) to the DHP.

The Face is much better, though can be too cutting edge for its own good.

kemi
_______________________
"Hippokleides doesn't care..."

[Jolyon]

Originally posted by Mathius:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djklas:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jolyon:
I'm proud to say I've not bought a copy of Mixmag since 1996. And I only bought it then to read Bill Brewster or Frank Tope's trainspotting stuff. It's been arse for years. Update was alright mind you. At least they refrained from printing pix of gurning girl with fluffy bras. Best UK dance mag that I've seen is FAITH, Bill's all over those too! Props LBG! </font>[/QUOTE]No disrespect to Bill or Leo, but Faith is a bit,???, well, they have their fair share of pictures of models and Jamie Theakston look-a-likies wearing 'Bathing Ape' getting down at their parties - maybe this is just London, I don't know, but it all looks like everyone tries really hard and is not looking to sweat, which ain't house... </font>[/QUOTE]Faith ROCKS.

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by Kemi J:
Mixmag sells to a British crowd, so they focus on British artists, often not giving credit where credit is due, and going nuts over artists that aren't that good just because they are british. Basement Jaxx, for instance, had a few good cuts, but are not that good. Mixmag played them up to be house gods ala Ron and Larry (though they never used those words) when Rooty was released. This pissed me off.

I have to give respect though, it was mixmag that opened my eyes (and ears) to the DHP.

The Face is much better, though can be too cutting edge for its own good.

kemi
_______________________
"Hippokleides doesn't care..." Mixmag opened you ears and eyes, did they have an article or reccomendation ?

I thought the U.S Mixmag was better quality to the U.K version.

[Louie G]

Mixmag = Bag of Shite

cRaiG...

[matthew]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Kemi J:
Mixmag sells to a British crowd, so they focus on British artists, often not giving credit where credit is due, and going nuts over artists that aren't that good just because they are british. Basement Jaxx, for instance, had a few good cuts, but are not that good. Mixmag played them up to be house gods ala Ron and Larry (though they never used those words) when Rooty was released. This pissed me off.

I have to give respect though, it was mixmag that opened my eyes (and ears) to the DHP.

The Face is much better, though can be too cutting edge for its own good.

kemi
_______________________
"Hippokleides doesn't care..." Mixmag opened you ears and eyes, did they have an article or reccomendation ?

I thought the U.S Mixmag was better quality to the U.K version. </font>[/QUOTE]i think i plugged the dhp ages ago when i used to do mixmag's website column.

er martin red, go back and read your reply to al kent. Don't you think you are being a complete ****ing twat?

haha@ bran

[Al Kent]

Originally posted by matthew:
er martin red, go back and read your reply to al kent. Don't you think you are being a complete ****ing twat? That's not nice Matthew. Martin has a fair point. There's an in-depth documentary on tonight about the effects of mis-leading dates on Mixmag cover mounted CDs. Martin Bashir's talking to Dom Philips about it.

[ladyboygrimsby]

Originally posted by Al Kent:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew:
er martin red, go back and read your reply to al kent. Don't you think you are being a complete ****ing twat? That's not nice Matthew. Martin has a fair point. There's an in-depth documentary on tonight about the effects of mis-leading dates on Mixmag cover mounted CDs. Martin Bashir's talking to Dom Philips about it. </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/rofl.gif

[Mah'chew]

Originally posted by ladyboygrimsby:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mathius:
Fair play Bill, high fashionista content in the pictorials, would be fairer...Every lass looks like Meg Matthews, I'm sure it's not a Faith thing and more a London thing..

Although, I found the comment 'Bathing Ape opens London store - that's killed that then..' in the Wrong/Right section as very ironic :D I don't even know what Bathing Ape is. Do they make T-shirts or something? </font>[/QUOTE]They do make t-shirts, really cheesy 100 quid ones from Tokyo.

I'm sure that Faith does indeed rock, not disputing the fact at all.

This thread is about the media and I was talking about the fact that 'Faith Magazine' can get a little bit entrenched in a Fashion-Nazi vibe. Generally it's a great read, but this is a turn-off, for me.

[ May 20, 2003, 10:29 PM: Message edited by: Mathius ]

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by Al Kent:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew:
er martin red, go back and read your reply to al kent. Don't you think you are being a complete ****ing twat? That's not nice Matthew. Martin has a fair point. There's an in-depth documentary on tonight about the effects of mis-leading dates on Mixmag cover mounted CDs. Martin Bashir's talking to Dom Philips about it. </font>[/QUOTE]:rolleyes:
Matthew, what the ****s it got to do with you ?

Was I speaking to you !

Some prick "people" are quick to jump in like some message board hero, Supercocksucker to the rescue, up up and away.


I suppose it depends really if your a youth worker for smack heads ? yeah probably, or not feeling a way for smack heads that are probably the cunts that break into your yard may lead me to think that unless people commenting like some all seeing god like creature I may be lead to think you these people that stick there ore in are proper CUNTS !, where do you live ? are you waiting for Al to send you some records. Don't explain as I don't really care.


Al Kent, fair enough you caught me on a hangover with an unrelated topic, and you are right Mixmag is un important in the big scheme of things and I understand that there are bigger problems in the world but I don't see you posting home problems in such posts usually, in fact never ! and I am sure there are just as many un-important posts in the big scheme..., but I don't see anyone pointing out the gun problem in Birmingham AR15firing.gif on a post titled "look - a women for sale on ebay" maybe that's why I got annoyed perhaps . Or perhaps "Women on Ebay" going for over £2K will be discussed with Jeremy Paxman but I ****ing doubt it! Anyway, apologies for being hungover.

[ May 21, 2003, 02:57 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[rob brito]

http://www.mixmag.net/bigtunes.shtml

"A Tongy secret weapon in Miami, this follow-up to last year's 'It's Gonna Be A Lovely Day' has been hunted down by trainspotters and DJs. Builds into summer anthem status. Deep-house heads check King Britt's remix.
It goes: "Everybody, everybody, everybody""

-mishmag

[rob brito]

no 5 on their list:

"Paul Van Dyk feat Hemstock & Jennings 'Nothing But You'
(Positiva)
PVD, aka God to his messier fans, has left us in the cold since his last LP 'Out There And Back'. This is the first single from his forthcoming album. While it doesn't add anything new to trance, the PVD credentials will ensure it flies out of HMV faster than Paula Radcliffe on a shoplifting spree.
It goes: "Mmmmm, awww, waaaah, waaaah, aahhhh""

GOTTA love the descriptions under the "it goes" subtitles graemlins/rofl.gif

[ May 21, 2003, 03:18 AM: Message edited by: robs ]

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by robs:
"Mmmmm, awww, waaaah, waaaah, aahhhh""
Wow, looks like thats really worth a listen graemlins/rofl.gif

i wonder if it has that dundadadun dundadadun dundadadun dundadadun dundadadun dundadadun beat pattern with clashing hi hats going tish tish tish tish with a break down that goes digga digga digga diggadiggadiggadiggagagagagagagagaa.

[Al Kent]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Al Kent:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew:
er martin red, go back and read your reply to al kent. Don't you think you are being a complete ****ing twat? That's not nice Matthew. Martin has a fair point. There's an in-depth documentary on tonight about the effects of mis-leading dates on Mixmag cover mounted CDs. Martin Bashir's talking to Dom Philips about it. </font>[/QUOTE]:rolleyes:
Matthew, what the ****s it got to do with you ?

Was I speaking to you !

Some prick "people" are quick to jump in like some message board hero, Supercocksucker to the rescue, up up and away.


I suppose it depends really if your a youth worker for smack heads ? yeah probably, or not feeling a way for smack heads that are probably the cunts that break into your yard may lead me to think that unless people commenting like some all seeing god like creature I may be lead to think you these people that stick there ore in are proper CUNTS !, where do you live ? are you waiting for Al to send you some records. Don't explain as I don't really care.


Al Kent, fair enough you caught me on a hangover with an unrelated topic, and you are right Mixmag is un important in the big scheme of things and I understand that there are bigger problems in the world but I don't see you posting home problems in such posts usually, in fact never ! and I am sure there are just as many un-important posts in the big scheme..., but I don't see anyone pointing out the gun problem in Birmingham AR15firing.gif on a post titled "look - a women for sale on ebay" maybe that's why I got annoyed perhaps . Or perhaps "Women on Ebay" going for over £2K will be discussed with Jeremy Paxman but I ****ing doubt it! Anyway, apologies for being hungover. </font>[/QUOTE]Martin - you need to chill man. The post about the woman for sale on ebay simply contained a link to an ebay item I found funny, and was relative to an earlier link I posted to a record called 'Woman' on ebay.

As for you speaking to Matthew - yes you were. Along with the other 3000 members of the DHP. I think calling him a prick and cocksucker is a little strong. I doubt it would take me sending him records to recognise that I was simply trying to put your point into perspective. You can replace Glasgow smack heads with the starving in Africa, or the homeless in India, whatever. Some things are worth caring about.

[djklas]

Originally posted by Mathius:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ladyboygrimsby:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mathius:
Fair play Bill, high fashionista content in the pictorials, would be fairer...Every lass looks like Meg Matthews, I'm sure it's not a Faith thing and more a London thing..

Although, I found the comment 'Bathing Ape opens London store - that's killed that then..' in the Wrong/Right section as very ironic :D I don't even know what Bathing Ape is. Do they make T-shirts or something? </font>[/QUOTE]They do make t-shirts, really cheesy 100 quid ones from Tokyo.

I'm sure that Faith does indeed rock, not disputing the fact at all.

This thread is about the media and I was talking about the fact that 'Faith Magazine' can get a little bit entrenched in a Fashion-Nazi vibe. Generally it's a great read, but this is a turn-off, for me. </font>[/QUOTE]Hello Mathius, Do you think it;s possible that there is another Faith magazine, becauce the ones I saw were not fashion mags or trendy club mags. But they had lots of information about records and artists present and past and including indepth articles on Arthur Russel, Ron Hardy, and other key and historical dance music figures...plus there were tons of top ten lists to trainspot.... don't know about their parties, but maybe it's a differnet operation all together..

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by Al Kent:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Al Kent:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew:
er martin red, go back and read your reply to al kent. Don't you think you are being a complete ****ing twat? That's not nice Matthew. Martin has a fair point. There's an in-depth documentary on tonight about the effects of mis-leading dates on Mixmag cover mounted CDs. Martin Bashir's talking to Dom Philips about it. </font>[/QUOTE]:rolleyes:
Matthew, what the ****s it got to do with you ?

Was I speaking to you !

Some prick "people" are quick to jump in like some message board hero, Supercocksucker to the rescue, up up and away.


I suppose it depends really if you’re a youth worker for smack heads ? yeah probably, or not feeling a way for smack heads that are probably the cunts that break into your yard may lead me to think that unless people commenting like some all seeing god like creature I may be lead to think you these people that stick there ore in are proper CUNTS !, where do you live ? are you waiting for Al to send you some records. Don't explain as I don't really care.


Al Kent, fair enough you caught me on a hangover with an unrelated topic, and you are right Mixmag is un important in the big scheme of things and I understand that there are bigger problems in the world but I don't see you posting home problems in such posts usually, in fact never ! and I am sure there are just as many un-important posts in the big scheme..., but I don't see anyone pointing out the gun problem in Birmingham AR15firing.gif on a post titled "look - a women for sale on ebay" maybe that's why I got annoyed perhaps . Or perhaps "Women on Ebay" going for over £2K will be discussed with Jeremy Paxman but I ****ing doubt it! Anyway, apologies for being hungover. </font>[/QUOTE]Martin - you need to chill man. The post about the woman for sale on ebay simply contained a link to an ebay item I found funny, and was relative to an earlier link I posted to a record called 'Woman' on ebay.

As for you speaking to Matthew - yes you were. Along with the other 3000 members of the DHP. I think calling him a prick and cocksucker is a little strong. I doubt it would take me sending him records to recognise that I was simply trying to put your point into perspective. You can replace Glasgow smack heads with the starving in Africa, or the homeless in India, whatever. Some things are worth caring about. </font>[/QUOTE]read again Al I didn't call anyone a cocksuckers, i suggested it, same as he didn't call me a ****ing cunt.


NOW, STOP following my ass looking for the hole,

read again: - I mentioned that there is always something less important posts on DHP than the real world, thing is it only seems to be people climbing up my ass pointing it out,

AGAIN, as I already said.

I don't go on some nonsense post you made and start talking about the gun problem in Birmingham on a post about EBAY ! ! !.

do you understand this time ?
Or would you like me to explain this to you again, time permitting of course.

But I am a ****ing cunt for pointing out that fools who inject themselves in Glasgow and the Olympics isn't a related subject matter.

urrrrm Kinda odd really that you mentioned smack heads on this post isn't it.
:rolleyes:

Mixmag pushing a Million $ disco release or something, I kinda find it odd that you felt this post wasn't as important as self inflicted fools in Glasgow, look up and down the first page and you'll find lots of less important post BUT U CHOSE THIS ONE - ****ING ODD !. Out of hundreds of post you think mixmag one is the one

Or perhaps a wild co-incidence.


Ask a ****ing journalist about smack heads, maybe able to get some exposure for your plight in a magazine.

[ May 21, 2003, 05:37 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[Mah'chew]

DJKlas,

It's the same magazine, I have the Ron Hardy copy, look in the front, the Rockin/Shockin section with the picture of Jellybean playing at Delirium, under the part which says, Shockin. Some fashion nazi laments the fact that 'Bathing Ape' has opened a London store, thereby making his $200 t-shirt now cheaper in someway, because the normal Joe Public of London can now purchase said item with relative ease, rather than traveling to the Tokyo store or getting some fashion distributor to pick you one up...

That's not all, the magazine's musical insight is outstanding, I love it, I'm trying to be constructive, all I said was there's a fashionista element to some of the non-musical content and the pictures of the nights in the back looked a bit like mixmag's - I also said that it is possibly a London thing...

I'm hinting at 'House' being used as a fashion accessory by some quarters in the UK, it's an 'in' thing for some people. Not for Bill, Jolyon, or anyone on the DHP I wouldn't think and I'm not slating Faith in anyway, I just think the magazine should keep it's eye on this kind of thing

[ladyboygrimsby]

Originally posted by Mathius:
DJKlas,

It's the same magazine, I have the Ron Hardy copy, look in the front, the Rockin/Shockin section with the picture of Jellybean playing at Delirium, under the part which says, Shockin. Some fashion nazi laments the fact that 'Bathing Ape' has opened a London store, thereby making his $200 t-shirt now cheaper in someway, because the normal Joe Public of London can now purchase said item with relative ease, rather than traveling to the Tokyo store or getting some fashion distributor to pick you one up...

That's not all, the magazine's musical insight is outstanding, I love it, I'm trying to be constructive, all I said was there's a fashionista element to some of the non-musical content and the pictures of the nights in the back looked a bit like mixmag's - I also said that it is possibly a London thing...

I'm hinting at 'House' being used as a fashion accessory by some quarters in the UK, it's an 'in' thing for some people. Not for Bill, Jolyon, or anyone on the DHP I wouldn't think and I'm not slating Faith in anyway, I just think the magazine should keep it's eye on this kind of thing I do see your point, Mathius, but firstly, I don't anything you see in Faith should be taken *that* seriously. And, also, as far as I'm concerned it's a magazine dedicated to working class culture and fashion and football are as much part of it as music is. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with a magazine having stuff about clothes in it as well as stuff about house or disco. We're not in the late 80s now and the idea of wearing nice clothers to go to a club in does not make you a fashion Nazi, merely someone who's got a sense of style or pride.

[Dj Alex]

Originally posted by Mathius:
DJKlas,

It's the same magazine, I have the Ron Hardy copy, look in the front, the Rockin/Shockin section with the picture of Jellybean playing at Delirium, under the part which says, Shockin. Some fashion nazi laments the fact that 'Bathing Ape' has opened a London store, thereby making his $200 t-shirt now cheaper in someway, because the normal Joe Public of London can now purchase said item with relative ease, rather than traveling to the Tokyo store or getting some fashion distributor to pick you one up...

That's not all, the magazine's musical insight is outstanding, I love it, I'm trying to be constructive, all I said was there's a fashionista element to some of the non-musical content and the pictures of the nights in the back looked a bit like mixmag's - I also said that it is possibly a London thing...

I'm hinting at 'House' being used as a fashion accessory by some quarters in the UK, it's an 'in' thing for some people. Not for Bill, Jolyon, or anyone on the DHP I wouldn't think and I'm not slating Faith in anyway, I just think the magazine should keep it's eye on this kind of thing Hello Matty,

very valid and observational points you have made . London sometimes can't escape that fashion coolness that is surrounded by . That's why I like to party where oyu are in a place where people don't where sunglasses - in a club mmm . And you can rave till 6am in the morning or later for next to nothing . Check this link www.hoxtonpimps.com (http://www.hoxtonpimps.com)

Saying that they do get some good writers to contribute to "Faith" a good friend of mine Tony Farsides wrote the Larry Levan article which was about his experiences meeting Larry in the early 90's and a review of his set at Harvey's moist night .
Always read things with an open mind and see what is really coming through those words . That's what I think anyway .

Peace to you and the missus .

Alex .

[Mah'chew]

I know what you're saying, you've always got a cool head Alex, respect.

I'm tape hunting this weekend ;)

[Dj Alex]

Originally posted by Mathius:
I know what you're saying, you've always got a cool head Alex, respect.

I'm tape hunting this weekend ;) You too mate ! . I have some audio goodies for you too , I hope the hunt is a successful one ;)

Peace Alex .

[martin]

Originally posted by ladyboygrimsby:
it's a magazine dedicated to working class cultureBill

I've never read your magazine. Could you please elaborate on the quote above. I'm British, nearly 35 years old and still I'm not sure what class I am, nor how the class divisions are defined in this country.

cheers

martin

[Clarkeecat]

Class definitions? Let the party begin!

this should be interesting for the americans!

Matthew

[Mah'chew]

Bill, no worries, I fully understand and think it's a very good magazine..

As for my class = Northern Monkey :D

[danny webb]

Follow this simple food related formula:

Working class eat: Breakfast, Dinner & Tea
Middle Class eat: Breakfast, Lunch & Dinner
Upper Class eat: How the fu*k should I know quayles eggs or summat.

seriously though of course there are class divisions in the UK, try telling otherwise to the kids on Monsal or Collyhurst & Miles Platting, within some of the poorest estates in Europe, still eking out a living on a daily basis. There are a vast amount of UK folks living beneath the 'breadline', what do you call these people? 'Unfortunate'.

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by danny webb:
Follow this simple food related formula:

Working class eat: Breakfast, Dinner & Tea
Middle Class eat: Breakfast, Lunch & Dinner
Upper Class eat: How the fu*k should I know quayles eggs or summat.

seriously though of course there are class divisions in the UK, try telling otherwise to the kids on Monsal or Collyhurst & Miles Platting, within some of the poorest estates in Europe, still eking out a living on a daily basis. There are a vast amount of UK folks living beneath the 'breadline', what do you call these people? 'Unfortunate'. graemlins/rofl.gif Quails eggs, Truffles, Cavier, spunki covered biscuits, raw meet or undercooked (no wonder CJD affected UK so bad), and Oyster served out of Elephnat tusks graemlins/rofl.gif

Midlands chap.

Which means your a soft southern poof to anyone up north and a Northern monkey to anyone down south.
The "heartlands" is prefered though. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Working class had a proper meaning in the 70's and 80's under Thatcher, nowadys it's different though. Go to an area like Moseley in Birmingham and you'll see the working class has become a fashion, it used to be called posh people slumming it but nowadays there just cool people who push up house prices.

Jamie "mockney" Oliver springs to mind, all cor blimey on the TV whilst he is probably still playing soggy biscuit with his school chums.

People that will always be financially sorted claiming they understand the struggle, when there biggest struggle is getting out of bed in the moring. I have a friend who will say "I am skint" which means I only have £5K left in my current account and I have to go to the south of France for a golfing trip, whilst when I say I am skint it means exactly that.

Many people sing te blues here whilst waiting for there daddies cheque clearance., sad !.


Interested to see Bill's comments

[matthew]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Al Kent:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew:
er martin red, go back and read your reply to al kent. Don't you think you are being a complete ****ing twat? That's not nice Matthew. Martin has a fair point. There's an in-depth documentary on tonight about the effects of mis-leading dates on Mixmag cover mounted CDs. Martin Bashir's talking to Dom Philips about it. </font>[/QUOTE]:rolleyes:
Matthew, what the ****s it got to do with you ?

Was I speaking to you !

Some prick "people" are quick to jump in like some message board hero, Supercocksucker to the rescue, up up and away.


I suppose it depends really if your a youth worker for smack heads ? yeah probably, or not feeling a way for smack heads that are probably the cunts that break into your yard may lead me to think that unless people commenting like some all seeing god like creature I may be lead to think you these people that stick there ore in are proper CUNTS !, where do you live ? are you waiting for Al to send you some records. Don't explain as I don't really care.


Al Kent, fair enough you caught me on a hangover with an unrelated topic, and you are right Mixmag is un important in the big scheme of things and I understand that there are bigger problems in the world but I don't see you posting home problems in such posts usually, in fact never ! and I am sure there are just as many un-important posts in the big scheme..., but I don't see anyone pointing out the gun problem in Birmingham AR15firing.gif on a post titled "look - a women for sale on ebay" maybe that's why I got annoyed perhaps . Or perhaps "Women on Ebay" going for over £2K will be discussed with Jeremy Paxman but I ****ing doubt it! Anyway, apologies for being hungover. </font>[/QUOTE]go away and come back when you've learned to make sense

[ladyboygrimsby]

Originally posted by Martin Red:

Interested to see Bill's commentsWell, firstly, as I said, this is purely my view and I'm not suggesting for a moment that this is a majority view or that anyone I work with (such as Faith) hold these views at all. But I want to write about things that have affected my life and been important to me and I want to write about them in a way that is inclusive, not exclusive.

Last Night A DJ Saved My Life was written in a very simple way (and without endless footnotes and references) because I wanted ordinary people to read it without feeling alienated by the sociological theory that seems to creep into every other book written about dance music.

My contributions to Faith (and other magazines that I write for) reflects what I'm interested in, which is primarily music, football, clothes and politics, but also includes books like 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist'. That might not be what other people are interested in, fair enough, but there are precious few journalists from a working class background as it is, so it's something that's important to me personally. If other people think that's bollocks, fair enough. I don't really care.

[danny webb]

Originally posted by ladyboygrimsby:

Last Night A DJ Saved My Life was written in a very simple way (and without endless footnotes and references) because I wanted ordinary people to read it without feeling alienated by the sociological theory that seems to creep into every other book written about dance music.

[/QB]This certainly came across to an uneducated fool like me graemlins/thumbsup.gif . You did a sterling job with that book, particularly the Loft section which I always return to should I feel jaded or uninspired. Thank-you for that.

[Clarkeecat]

'ragged trousered philanthropists' - classic book! I remember getting given this book by my dad when I was about 13, when I was starting to become more aware about the world. Its a very, very powerful book. 'Love on the Dole', 'Saturday Night Sunday Morning', 'Taste Of Honey','a kind of loving'... set me up for Marx etc a few years later.
It may have practically been indoctrination, but at least they were all real good reads!
Matthew

[martin]

Originally posted by ladyboygrimsby:
there are precious few journalists from a working class background as it is, so it's something that's important to me personally.I still don't know what exactly you mean when you say "Working Class". I don't think anyone else has given anywhere near a half-decent definition or explanation either.

Should it be defined by our relationship to the means of production?

Can anyone help me on this?

[ May 21, 2003, 08:16 AM: Message edited by: martin s ]

[Jolyon]

Working class - you wouldn't have to ask what working class means if you or your family come from a working class background!

Despite my faux posh Christian name, my family was working class when I was a kid. In fact my grandparents still lived on a council estate in Barnsley until they died 5 years ago. I went to a comprehensive school, some of my mates in Leeds were car-fitters, janitors, factory workers. I grew up in a mixture of middle class and working class households.

I know exactly what Bill means and it's hard to explain it. I think my interests are precisely the same as Bill's - that's what I grew up with (apart from I'll replace his choice of book with Coming Up For Air by George Orwell, haha.)

[Jolyon]

P.S. Our relationship to the means of production makes most of us working class if you still follow outdated Marxist nonsense.

[danny webb]

Originally posted by martin s:
[QUOTE]

Should it be defined by our relationship to the means of production?

Can anyone help me on this? Ohh sh1t does this mean I have to read even more? As I do not understand that statement.

The funny thing about working class is I thought I was middle class simply because there are people poorer than I am. However with my mum being a health Centre receptionist and my dad working his way up from sweeping floors in a cotton mill, I doubt I could be anything else.

The thing that puzzles me most is that my dad finished up with a very good job from his broomstick days, having been sent to technical College etc (by his employers), did he become something other than working class when he got his own desk and a company car?

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by matthew:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Al Kent:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew:
er martin red, go back and read your reply to al kent. Don't you think you are being a complete ****ing twat? That's not nice Matthew. Martin has a fair point. There's an in-depth documentary on tonight about the effects of mis-leading dates on Mixmag cover mounted CDs. Martin Bashir's talking to Dom Philips about it. </font>[/QUOTE]:rolleyes:
Matthew, what the ****s it got to do with you ?

Was I speaking to you !

Some prick "people" are quick to jump in like some message board hero, Supercocksucker to the rescue, up up and away.


I suppose it depends really if your a youth worker for smack heads ? yeah probably, or not feeling a way for smack heads that are probably the cunts that break into your yard may lead me to think that unless people commenting like some all seeing god like creature I may be lead to think you these people that stick there ore in are proper CUNTS !, where do you live ? are you waiting for Al to send you some records. Don't explain as I don't really care.


Al Kent, fair enough you caught me on a hangover with an unrelated topic, and you are right Mixmag is un important in the big scheme of things and I understand that there are bigger problems in the world but I don't see you posting home problems in such posts usually, in fact never ! and I am sure there are just as many un-important posts in the big scheme..., but I don't see anyone pointing out the gun problem in Birmingham AR15firing.gif on a post titled "look - a women for sale on ebay" maybe that's why I got annoyed perhaps . Or perhaps "Women on Ebay" going for over £2K will be discussed with Jeremy Paxman but I ****ing doubt it! Anyway, apologies for being hungover. </font>[/QUOTE]go away and come back when you've learned to make sense </font>[/QUOTE]Member matthew
Member Number: 502
Registered: June 04, 2001
Posts: 235

:rolleyes:

Sorry, since we've now moved onto a different topic.....so

I am WORKING CLASS and I suffered under an education system aimed at keeping rich TWATS aloft
and immigrants sons and daughters down, again apologies I shall write a strong letter tonight informing that kids under Thatcher learnt more about modern music, hooliganism, vandalism, sports wear and dancing than the English language. Largeley due to the fact that the people teaching the above..

..WAS NOT on strike every second week.... mad1.gif

As I don't know your AGE or Location it's hard to see if you would already know this, but from your arrogant stance I doubt it.


Did you understand these bits you padantic so and so.

"quick to jump in"

"where do you live ?"

I'll rephrase the next one as your probably can't comprehend anything not in the queens english.

I don't care a foxglove about heroin users, self abuse after all, I don't really think it has anything to do with this post , as Birmingham shootings have nothing to do with EBAY, now worry when you see your name in a post Al Kent can take care of himself, stepping into the fro like Al's jealous lover, get outta town boy

Are you clear now, watch it in future with you SAYING nothing POSTS , cheers !

COMMUNICATION - TRY it, we can all use smart ass one liners OK

WHATEVER DUDE !

[ May 21, 2003, 08:49 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[Clarkeecat]

most of the best people I've met through music are from this same background, 3 generations ago we would have been doing back breaking manual work in some northern town. Now we get to sit in offices and bitch about it on the internet, I guess we all got lucky!

(class aside- I adminster heating grants for houses on benefits, at the extreme end of the poverty scale, and I'm absolutley nowhere near that, which is why I dont consider myself wc, and why I get worked up by people slumming it, but the plumbers who fit the stuff, all easily pull 80,000 -90,000 a year, which is easily 6 times what I get, and they do consider themselves working class.)

Matthew

[Jolyon]

I feel a lock-down coming on...

graemlins/bolt.gif

[DJJM3.COM]

The sad thing about it is that because of this post some people will go out and buy it....just out of curiosity.....UKMixmag will thank you for the free advertising...............................


Congratulations-you just assisted them in selling at least 300 copies......

[matthew]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Al Kent:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew:
er martin red, go back and read your reply to al kent. Don't you think you are being a complete ****ing twat? That's not nice Matthew. Martin has a fair point. There's an in-depth documentary on tonight about the effects of mis-leading dates on Mixmag cover mounted CDs. Martin Bashir's talking to Dom Philips about it. </font>[/QUOTE]:rolleyes:
Matthew, what the ****s it got to do with you ?

Was I speaking to you !

Some prick "people" are quick to jump in like some message board hero, Supercocksucker to the rescue, up up and away.


I suppose it depends really if your a youth worker for smack heads ? yeah probably, or not feeling a way for smack heads that are probably the cunts that break into your yard may lead me to think that unless people commenting like some all seeing god like creature I may be lead to think you these people that stick there ore in are proper CUNTS !, where do you live ? are you waiting for Al to send you some records. Don't explain as I don't really care.


Al Kent, fair enough you caught me on a hangover with an unrelated topic, and you are right Mixmag is un important in the big scheme of things and I understand that there are bigger problems in the world but I don't see you posting home problems in such posts usually, in fact never ! and I am sure there are just as many un-important posts in the big scheme..., but I don't see anyone pointing out the gun problem in Birmingham AR15firing.gif on a post titled "look - a women for sale on ebay" maybe that's why I got annoyed perhaps . Or perhaps "Women on Ebay" going for over £2K will be discussed with Jeremy Paxman but I ****ing doubt it! Anyway, apologies for being hungover. </font>[/QUOTE]go away and come back when you've learned to make sense </font>[/QUOTE]Member matthew
Member Number: 502
Registered: June 04, 2001
Posts: 235

:rolleyes:

Sorry, since we've now moved onto a different topic.....so

I am WORKING CLASS and I suffered under an education system aimed at keeping rich TWATS aloft
and immigrants sons and daughters down, again apologies I shall write a strong letter tonight informing that kids under Thatcher learnt more about modern music, hooliganism, vandalism, sports wear and dancing than the English language. Largeley due to the fact that the people teaching the above..

..WAS NOT on strike every second week.... mad1.gif

As I don't know your AGE or Location it's hard to see if you would already know this, but from your arrogant stance I doubt it.


Did you understand these bits you padantic so and so.

"quick to jump in"

"where do you live ?"

I'll rephrase the next one as your probably can't comprehend anything not in the queens english.

I don't care a foxglove about heroin users, self abuse after all, I don't really think it has anything to do with this post , as Birmingham shootings have nothing to do with EBAY, now worry when you see your name in a post Al Kent can take care of himself, stepping into the fro like Al's jealous lover, get outta town boy

Are you clear now, watch it in future with you SAYING nothing POSTS , cheers !

COMMUNICATION - TRY it, we can all use smart ass one liners OK

WHATEVER DUDE ! </font>[/QUOTE]sorry, i still haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Try some grammar and sentences. And why do you want to know where I live?

"pedantic" so and so, actually.

[danny webb]

naw let's keep this open, it's turning into a decent thread, and I actually have class issues which need sortring, i dunno if I am due lunch or dinner.

[Jolyon]

Danny - arf! I just ate Lunch, which means I am now a fully paid up member of the Southern Middle Class League.

[danny webb]

I dunno Jolyon, the definition of midday meals can bring about the North/South debate also. Thanks f*ck you didn't brunch or whatever it's called, then we would be in trouble smile.gif

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by Clarkeecat:
most of the best people I've met through music are from this same background, 3 generations ago we would have been doing back breaking manual work in some northern town. Now we get to sit in offices and bitch about it on the internet, I guess we all got lucky!

(class aside- I adminster heating grants for houses on benefits, at the extreme end of the poverty scale, and I'm absolutley nowhere near that, which is why I dont consider myself wc, and why I get worked up by people slumming it, but the plumbers who fit the stuff, all easily pull 80,000 -90,000 a year, which is easily 6 times what I get, and they do consider themselves working class.)

Matthew I see what your saying clarkecat, my mom always said: she did the work house thing,

"physically you have it really easy , mentally - your generation has it harder"

If your born and bred WC you usually stay that way unless you end up doing like so many do, and putting on a fake Buckinghamshire accent and changing your name (my ex girls dad did both of these)

[Clarkeecat]

well I've just had a foie gras butty..... ;)

Matthew

[Martin Red]

I think my dad would still pass , (pronounced parse if your posh graemlins/rofl.gif ) as working class

66, ( a year past retiremnt) who drives a 7.5 wagon up and down the motorway everyday.


Other english words that don't make sense when pronounces.


Glass (pronounces glarse), **** off ! GLASS, when you say ASS you don't pronounce it ARSE, is farce spelt fass, no "

Darby for Derby

after = arrfter **** MY DEAD DOG !

[danny webb]

Martin relax, go take a barth :D

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by danny webb:
Martin relax, go take a barth :D graemlins/rofl.gif
Jolly good show


"rah rah rah we're going to smash the oiks !"

[ May 21, 2003, 10:00 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[Clarkeecat]

I dunno, no respect for your betters round here. Forty wacks with the cane and two weeks National Service would sort the lot of you out....

[Monny JcIntosh]

Pronunciation's a north/south thing. I say bath, my girlfriend says barth. I'm an, albeit Scottish state school educated, Oxbridge twat and she's a Dartford, working class bird.

Personally, I think the UK class distinctions are useless apart from making people feel all tribal. Folk will have a dig at your ivory tower background, or give you a "oh, you won't be at the Assassins' ball then" dismissal depending on what makes them feel better. It generally just marks the tedious end of an argument.

Funnily, nobody ever wants to claim they're middle class. My parents were as aspiriant bourgeois as they come: pseudo working class Glaswegian/Irish roots, spend all your cash on a big house, tacky tat and a drink problem and pretend the debts don't scare the shit out of you. But that's not very handy in trumping people about how you had to live on rats' piss on mouldy bread or skied with Lord Mornington.

[danny webb]

rats piss & Mouldy bread, you were blessed, we lived on a lolly stick in a shit infested puddle of piss on the M62....

[martin]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
Working class - you wouldn't have to ask what working class means if you or your family come from a working class background! Jolyon this is an absolute cop out.


Originally posted by Jolyon:
P.S. Our relationship to the means of production makes most of us working class if you still follow outdated Marxist nonsense. In the same way that "working class" is an outdated term, that is of course unless anyone can offer me a definition.


Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
Personally, I think the UK class distinctions are useless apart from making people feel all tribal.I agree Jonny - today I think the term is more inclined to create divisions rather than unity.

I've heard a lot of life stories and desperate attempts to prove some working class background - but no-one has been able to provide any definition. I don't buy into this romantic view of the "working class". Can someone, anybody, please give me a definition of the term - surely if you're going to use it you should know what it means.

[Jolyon]

martin s - in truth on a day to day basis i don't think about class or judge anyone on what 'class' they are. i guess it's impossible these days to come up with a 'definition' of what constitutes working class and what doesn't.

[Jolyon]

p.s. martin s - neither that post or the one before were supposed to be arsey. damn internet doesn't always translate what you want to say as you really want to say it. if you know what i mean.

[danny webb]

I am completely at a loss to explain what working class is defined as, I suppose those who have a constant financial struggle on their hands, who are bogged down by lack of education, because work is the only option for them.

Saturdays Kids...

Saturdays boys live life with insults,
Drink lots of beer and wait for half time results,
Afternoon tea in the lite-a-bite - chat up the girls - they dig it!
Saturdays girls work in Tesco's and Woolworths,
Wear cheap perfume 'cause its all they can afford,
Go to discos - they drink Babycham - talk to Jan - in bingo accents.
Saturdays kids play one arm bandits,
they never win but that's not the point is it?
Dip in silver paper when their pints go flat,
How about that - far out!
Their mums and dads smoke Capstan non filters,
Wallpaper lives 'cause they all die of cancer,
What goes on - what goes wrong.
Save up their money for a holiday,
To Selsey Bill or Bracklesham Bay,
Think about the future - when they'll settle down,
Marry the girl next door - with one on the way.
These are the real creatures that time has forgot,
Not given a thought - its the system -
Hate the system - what's the system?
Saturdays kids live in council houses,
Wear v-necked shirts and baggy trousers,
Drive Cortinas - fur trimmed dash boards,
Stains on the seats - in the back, of course

Of course lyrics from the late 70's, but there are still people like this, you just have to change the scenario a little, and that Cortina to an XR3. There are also still people who frown upon council flats and wouldn't be seen dead buying food from Kwik Save, unfortunately there are still people who have to shop at Kwik Save & Netto out of neccessity. Just because the boundaries have changed doesn't make these peoples lives any easier, they still scrimp & scrape, and are still viewed as scum by others.
To say that class divisions (whatever you want to call them) don't exist is naiive.
Unfortunately I am not educated enough to carry my point over well, but I still see kids in Middleton (my local) Arndale, with no shoes or socks, being dragged up by mothers who are to young and ill educated to know or do better.

What do we call these people?

Good for nothing?
Unlucky?
Downtrodden?
Ne'er do wells?

I don't know, but they are there just the same.

[martin]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
p.s. martin s - neither that post or the one before were supposed to be arsey. damn internet doesn't always translate what you want to say as you really want to say it. if you know what i mean. no worries. same went for me saying you copped out smile.gif

it's alright I've got thick skin anyway

[martin]

So Danny are all working class people without a decent education? Am I right in understanding that it's also defined by: what job you do (or what job your parents do/did), what car you drive, your alcohol consumption, whether you own/rent your house or whether it's a council house, and whether you shop at Kwik Save or not?

Anyone like to add to this?

I am still interested as to what Bill is going to offer as a definition since his publication is about "working class culture".

I'm going to use Jolyon's disclaimer here that my post is not intended to be arsey, if it does come across that way. smile.gif

[danny webb]

martin (I'm just outta the door), I am as interested as you in this, because these divisions are not as clearly defined as the were for our parents, nor those before that. i haven't 'read' on this subject, and don't even know where the term comes from. i have been told I am working class, although as I said earlier, i thought not as there were folks less well off than me. The only thing I am willing to stand by is that working class people are those who majoritively have their lives mapped out by ill fortune.
I know some people who are extremely bright but have no chance to excel, because they couldn't get to college, because they had to look after their brothers & sisters cos their mums & dads were at work all day everyday.

I will read & hopefully add more later, but right now I have a pint waiting for me...


(tin foil in the pocket ;) it case it goes flat)

[Topester]

Seeing as I (a) used to work for Mixmag and (b) am a shandy-drinking middle class Southerner I thought it best not to enter this debate. However I just can't resist seeing how Martin is going to react when I tell him that on page 36 of the new Mixmag it says the Music Box was a club in 70's New York...

helmets on everyone its gonna get rough out there...

[RX]

Originally posted by Clarkeecat:
Class definitions? Let the party begin!

this should be interesting for the americans!

Matthew this has been much more than interesting...
i do appreciate this thread and would like to say that maybe "working class" means that you work for your money instead of your money working for you...

[RX]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
I see what your saying clarkecat, my mom always said: she did the work house thing,

"physically you have it really easy , mentally - your generation has it harder"
my, my, my...it seems as if all mommies are the same after all... graemlins/rofl.gif

how true...

[matthew]

Originally posted by Topester:
Seeing as I (a) used to work for Mixmag and (b) am a shandy-drinking middle class Southerner
heh
that makes two of us...

[martin]

Originally posted by Topester:
Seeing as I (a) used to work for Mixmag and (b) am a shandy-drinking middle class Southerner I thought it best not to enter this debate. However I just can't resist seeing how Martin is going to react when I tell him that on page 36 of the new Mixmag it says the Music Box was a club in 70's New York...

helmets on everyone its gonna get rough out there... graemlins/conf44.gif

[martin]

Originally posted by matthew:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Topester:
Seeing as I (a) used to work for Mixmag and (b) am a shandy-drinking middle class Southerner
heh
that makes two of us... </font>[/QUOTE]you've kept a few things in the closet all this time I've known you :D

[martin]

Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Clarkeecat:
Class definitions? Let the party begin!

this should be interesting for the americans!

Matthew this has been much more than interesting...
i do appreciate this thread and would like to say that maybe "working class" means that you work for your money instead of your money working for you... </font>[/QUOTE]Ms Rickey X

a generation or 2 ago these class divisions were fairly easily defined. But with the evolving nature of society they are no longer so clear-cut.

[RX]

Originally posted by robs:
It goes: "Mmmmm, awww, waaaah, waaaah, aahhhh""

GOTTA love the descriptions under the "it goes" subtitles graemlins/rofl.gif icon_rofl.gif

[RX]

Originally posted by martin s:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Clarkeecat:
Class definitions? Let the party begin!

this should be interesting for the americans!

Matthew this has been much more than interesting...
i do appreciate this thread and would like to say that maybe "working class" means that you work for your money instead of your money working for you... </font>[/QUOTE]Ms Rickey X

a generation or 2 ago these class divisions were fairly easily defined. But with the evolving nature of society they are no longer so clear-cut. </font>[/QUOTE]much akin to our
lower-
middle-
upper-class
which consistently changes and attempts to catch up with additions like upper-middle...

folk here don't know whether to define it by income or education or assets or inheritance...

i mean, you can have a $100K/yr income with a take-home pay of $1,000/month (big cars, dreams and flossing costs $$$$) owning 4 cadillacs and have inherited nothing - what class are you then?

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by matthew:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Topester:
[qb] Seeing as I (a) used to work for Mixmag and (b) am a shandy-drinking middle class Southerner

Originally posted by matthew:
heh
that makes two of us... Mathhew mathew

:rolleyes:

explains a lot, why didn't you just say so, would have saved my time biggrinangel.gif . right that's cleared up some confusion, now I know why you are talking loud......

A: Do you still work for them ?
B: don't worry - already answered !


Originally posted by Topester:
Seeing as I (a) used to work for Mixmag and (b) am a shandy-drinking middle class Southerner I thought it best not to enter this debate. However I just can't resist seeing how Martin is going to react when I tell him that on page 36 of the new Mixmag it says the Music Box was a club in 70's New York...

helmets on everyone its gonna get rough out there... graemlins/rofl.gif @ Mixmag

Topester graemlins/thumbsup.gif
We need people like you to make Kwik save people like me smile in honour of such brilliant word and vat, no-wotimean ;) . I would just like to say that none of my posts are meant to be arsey they just are ;) . Great dialogue by the way graemlins/thumbsup.gif (working class = more smilies in the posts graemlins/conf44.gif )


Best sketch about British class system = The two Ronnies and John Cleese on the Frost Report in the 1960's.

[ May 21, 2003, 01:17 PM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[Martin Red]

Ms Rickey X, the boundaries are much harder to define now, as already stated graemlins/thumbsup.gif .
Perhaps the world is getting like this generally ? more blurred boundaries

In Britain there is always the old money / new money side of the rich/elite as well.

[danny webb]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
(working class = more smilies in the posts graemlins/conf44.gif )


Martin are you still in the midlands? I ask because for that line alone, I should buy you a pint, next time I'm passing maybe. better still, sack the pub, there's always:

Liquor Save graemlins/beerchug.gif

[martin]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
Ms Rickey X, the boundaries are much harder to define now, as already stated graemlins/thumbsup.gif .
Perhaps the world is getting like this generally ? more blurred boundariesThis is exactly my point - these outdated class divisions are exactly that: divisions, and they will serve nothing but create a division whereas in the past they created unity.


In Britain there is always the old money / new money side of the rich/elite as well. Agreed.

[Mah'chew]

For our US cousins, I think a lot of UK people consider themselves as 'Working Class' had a lot of interest in the 'You Know You're Ghetto When.." thread, even if we are white.

I always found the film The Commitments amuzing when they state that the "Irish are basically the Negro's of Europe."

Our social divisions in the UK are drawn along complex 'class' and 'racial' parameters, this means that they can be a lot more complex than you would imagine, North, South, East, West, Welsh, Scottish, Irish, English, Middle-Class, Posh, Working Class, Unemployed, Blue-Collar, Office-Monkeys, Customer Service, Management, Pen-Pusher, Hard-Grafters, it goes on and on and breaks into the smallest parameters.

For example, I'm back in London, visiting friends in the East End, I ask my friend, "Where's Danny moved to?", my friend shouts to the Landlord (bartender), "What's the name of the Shit Hole that Danny moved to?", the barman shouts, "South London," "Yeah that's right South London," replies my friend...Funny as!

So you can see even in London, people from the South, North, West and East will be hating on one another.

Why do you think we have football (soccer) violence in the UK? Could you imagine running battles between the supporters of New England Patriots and the New York Jets down the street of Boston? Meeting in bars to beat eachother to a pulp?

Anyway, back on to Class, with a Ghetto tinge.

icon_rofl.gif My Uncle always said, Middle Class people get out of the bath (not barth) to have a piss :D

[ May 21, 2003, 11:24 PM: Message edited by: Mathius ]

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by Mathius:


icon_rofl.gif My Uncle always said, Middle Class people get out of the bath (not barth) to have a piss :D graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/rofl.gif