Gman, why did you remove the Shelter mix?

[MarkK]

I was getting into it yesterday? Tech problems?

Thanks

[blackwax]

I was just gonna listen too it DARN what happen

[imported_Gman]

I was contacted politely by Shelter staff to remove it. They expressed that Timmy's radio mixes were okay to post but not mixes of Timmy live @ the Shelter.

Bad G-man graemlins/spanka.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

-G

[Red D]

Originally posted by Gman:
I was contacted politely by Shelter staff to remove it. They expressed that Timmy's radio mixes were okay to post but not mixes of Timmy live @ the Shelter.

Bad G-man graemlins/spanka.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

-GMarketing-wise it's a bit daft to remove a mix that's the best promotion you could ask for, for free!
I have a shiny nickle for anyone who can give me a valid reason why they asked this! graemlins/cool_shades.gif

RD

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Gman:
I was contacted politely by Shelter staff to remove it. They expressed that Timmy's radio mixes were okay to post but not mixes of Timmy live @ the Shelter.

Bad G-man graemlins/spanka.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

-GBig Brother watches closely heh? ;)

[blackwax]

Aw shucks too bad he should be spreadin the "shelter" sound so all those that do not live in NYC can hear
Just a thought smile.gif

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Gotta watch out for Timmy's exclusive stuff withing his mixes being bootlegged.

[blackwax]

1 good reason why bootleggin is BAD but thats another thread graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[DeesKo]

In my opinion, I would say it comes down to a philosophical standpoint... the one that says if you want to experience Shelter, bring yo ass to Shelter....

... or at the very least www.clubshelter.com (http://www.clubshelter.com)

I know they've always felt that way about the other things like shirts etc .... hell, they weren't too fond of the idea of my buying a shirt to being back to VA to give to someone who has been many other times and just couldn't go THAT time....

.... while it mighta not satisfied MY needs, I understand their point and actually applaud them for the stance.

As an artist, a club, a business etc etc I think a lot of it comes down to wanting to be able to control the who, what, where, when and whys when it pertains to how your club is represented to the public.

Of course, who knows... maybe we're all looking way too deep and Timmy R just didn't like that mix and didn't want it floating around the net.

Peace

[richierich]

I'm a believer that if you want a live mix from a club, bring yo ass to the club. The experience is a lot better than listening to a cd. Timmy doesn't need any promotions help he is doing his thing quite nicely. I definitely got me a t-shirt when I was at Shelter @ Vinyl because I liked the whole vibe. This past Saturday there was a cat at the Leroy Burgess party with a Shelter t-shirt on and I asked him did he get it at the club and he jokingly said "No I got it on E-bay. It was Kevin Koga. I say yeah if want the Shelter experience Go to Shelter.
Peace

[ February 27, 2003, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: richierich ]

[Koffy Brown]

but you can buy t-shirts right?

can someone post a pic?

[Mack-Williams]

That's why as soon as you see the mix go up download it. Like I do.

[blackwax]

Deesko some good points there
but there overheads must be alot bigger now. It is a buisness after all so any money made on merchandise etc has too be a good thing from a buisness point of view
as for bring your ass to the club thats not possible for people who live outside of nyc or even usa like myself although i make a "pilgramige" once a year (going next week)

[richierich]

Originally posted by blackwax:
Deesko some good points there
but there overheads must be alot bigger now. It is a buisness after all so any money made on merchandise etc has too be a good thing from a buisness point of view
as for bring your ass to the club thats not possible for people who live outside of nyc or even usa like myself although i make a "pilgramige" once a year (going next week)Shoooot that one time is an experience of it's own and you'll remember it until you go back. again.

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by Gman:
I was contacted politely by Shelter staff to remove it. They expressed that Timmy's radio mixes were okay to post but not mixes of Timmy live @ the Shelter.

Bad G-man graemlins/spanka.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

-Ghttp://www.ravenfox.net/images/shelterbooth.jpg

*** I WAS ASKED TO REMOVE THE LINKS TO THE TIMMY REGISFORD AUDIO FROM MY SERVER BY G-MAN (see his message below) ****

You STILL want to hear them though... go to my website (http://www.ravenfox.net)
They will be there from now on - including some VERY exclusive stuff in the future - look for the logo.

I have tons of live mixes on DAT and CD from Shelter past and present / video too. I definetly won't let them go to waste. This just makes me want to "Try building up rather than tearing down..."

graemlins/jpshakehead.gif sounds like some more elitist shit to me - a dayum shame if you ask me.

(((((( control freaks ))))))

> oh yeah - call me a disgruntled ex-employee

[ February 27, 2003, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[blackwax]

ooohh

[ February 27, 2003, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: blackwax ]

[richierich]

I think that is totally disrespectful. If Timmy or Shelter doesn't want their mixes posted it should be respected. That's like paparazzi taking pictures of someone and the person doesn't even know that they are being photographed and the next thing you know their picture is plastered all over the newspapers. I mean they asked Not to have mixes posted and you post them anyway. Sounds like someone has issues.

[imported_Gman]

Raven, please remove links to Timmy mixes from your post. I do respect all artists wishes.They should have control over their work. They respectfully asked me to remove the mix from my site (which includes the message board). I removed it without thinking twice about it.

-Gerard

[ February 27, 2003, 11:25 AM: Message edited by: Gman ]

[blackwax]

Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by blackwax:
Deesko some good points there
but there overheads must be alot bigger now. It is a buisness after all so any money made on merchandise etc has too be a good thing from a buisness point of view
as for bring your ass to the club thats not possible for people who live outside of nyc or even usa like myself although i make a "pilgramige" once a year (going next week)Shoooot that one time is an experience of it's own and you'll remember it until you go back. again.</font>[/QUOTE]word last time i went was in 98 for my honeymoon!!!so its etched on my mind for many reasons tooooo long to wait although i have heard timmy in the u.k in november he made me cry (with happiness)

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by richierich:
I think that is totally disrespectful. If Timmy or Shelter doesn't want their mixes posted it should be respected... Agreed.

-G

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by richierich:
I think that is totally disrespectful. If Timmy or Shelter doesn't want their mixes posted it should be respected. That's like paparazzi taking pictures of someone and the person doesn't even know that they are being photographed and the next thing you know their picture is plastered all over the newspapers. I mean they asked Not to have mixes posted and you post them anyway. Sounds like someone has issues.You know what I say to that... graemlins/tongueout.gif

Issues? graemlins/rofl.gif

Nobody ever told ME I couldn't post anything streaming from MY server.

AND furthermore - even if they did - I'd tell them where to go.

BTW - G-Man, please let me know if I'm infringing anything on your site. The last thing I want to do is cause any political drama for you between Shelter - Lord knows I have had enough of my own with them.

Peace

[blackwax]

sorry gman and all I got carried away now i feel bad at listnin to the mix you are right if they have asked for it to be removed then i will respect that (it did sound great though) see you all at shelter on the 8th

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by Gman:
Raven, please remove links to Timmy mixes from your post. I do respect all artists wishes.They should have control over their work. They respectfully asked me to remove the mix from my site (which includes the message board). I removed it without thinking twice about it.

-GerardThats WACK in my book - you removed the links because YOU were "politely" asked to take them down from YOUR server :eek:

But it's your site and your wish is granted.

With respect to you and DHP.

Raven

[ February 27, 2003, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by blackwax:
sorry gman and all I got carried away now i feel bad at listnin to the mix you are right if they have asked for it to be removed then i will respect that (it did sound great though) see you all at shelter on the 8thBlackwax - you shouldn't feel bad at all.
Once you let them start dictating what you can and can't listen to online - then your freedom has been compromised.

Is this what its coming to?

Please graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

p.s.

...how many of you have bootlegs in your record bag???? How disrespectful is THAT !!

[Tenyu]

there is still a link to a live shelter mix on the page

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by Tenyu:
there is still a link to a live shelter mix on the pageTattle-tail

SHUT UP!

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by Gman:
I was contacted politely by Shelter staff to remove it. They expressed that Timmy's radio mixes were okay to post but not mixes of Timmy live @ the Shelter. Bad G-man graemlins/spanka.gif graemlins/rofl.gif -Ggraemlins/spanka.gif graemlins/spanka.gif

[Tenyu]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Tenyu:
there is still a link to a live shelter mix on the pageTattle-tail

SHUT UP!</font>[/QUOTE]it's no big deal

[MarkK]

I did not know this would start such a ruckus graemlins/acclaim.gif

Certainly, Shelter can make this request and Gman is good to honor it. However, I take issue with those who say live mixes should be reserved for those in the club.

Not everyone is such a house expert as you guys. Sometimes, being able to hear live mixes is one of the only ways us novices get a chance to really study the music. I am not a DJ, so I do not buy records. However, a live mix with a track listing is a GREAT way for me to learn about what I am listening to.

What is the best learing experience is when I can go to the club, hear the music there, and then listen to the live mix later. That teaches me the most. However, one cannot always attend the clubs they would like to (geographic reasons come to mind, I do not live in NY).

I think its incredibly eltist to say unless you can feel shelter from the inside, you have no business listening to a shelter mix.

[Ish]

Originally posted by MarkK:
I did not know this would start such a ruckus graemlins/acclaim.gif

Certainly, Shelter can make this request and Gman is good to honor it. However, I take issue with those who say live mixes should be reserved for those in the club.

Not everyone is such a house expert as you guys. Sometimes, being able to hear live mixes is one of the only ways us novices get a chance to really study the music. I am not a DJ, so I do not buy records. However, a live mix with a track listing is a GREAT way for me to learn about what I am listening to.

What is the best learing experience is when I can go to the club, hear the music there, and then listen to the live mix later. That teaches me the most. However, one cannot always attend the clubs they would like to (geographic reasons come to mind, I do not live in NY).

I think its incredibly eltist to say unless you can feel shelter from the inside, you have no business listening to a shelter mix.I concur. Not everyone has the opportunity nor the means to get to the shelter live in person. But does that mean they do not "deserve" to hear the music? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[Cheddar]

Raven...you are loosing your mind.

[Bill Blake]

@

[ February 27, 2003, 12:14 PM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

[Bill Blake]

@

[ February 27, 2003, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

[Ken1015]

Raven, since you obviously have the mix, do you know what the songs at 10:30 and 1:06:35 are?

[Bill Blake]

@

[richierich]

Originally posted by MarkK:
I did not know this would start such a ruckus graemlins/acclaim.gif

Certainly, Shelter can make this request and Gman is good to honor it. However, I take issue with those who say live mixes should be reserved for those in the club.

Not everyone is such a house expert as you guys. Sometimes, being able to hear live mixes is one of the only ways us novices get a chance to really study the music. I am not a DJ, so I do not buy records. However, a live mix with a track listing is a GREAT way for me to learn about what I am listening to.

What is the best learing experience is when I can go to the club, hear the music there, and then listen to the live mix later. That teaches me the most. However, one cannot always attend the clubs they would like to (geographic reasons come to mind, I do not live in NY).

I think its incredibly eltist to say unless you can feel shelter from the inside, you have no business listening to a shelter mix.I can be wrong. It was only my opinion nobody elses. I do not represent Shelter, just myself and I agree with the fact that all cannot attend clubs out of their region. I also understand that part about learning the music. So I apologize for those statements wholeheartedly. The part about someone Not wanting their mixes posted I will stand by. One should always at least try to respect one's wishes I never said that noone has any business listening to a Shelter mix if they don't go to the club. I was merely getting at the fact that the cd itself would not compare to the whole club experience.... That's all. Sorry for any misunderstanings
Peace

[ February 27, 2003, 12:29 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

[blackwax]

Raven are you in jerzee at aziz's place when i come over on the 8th would like to meet ya!!
see his house-callz site
thanks

[Bill Blake]

@

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by 1343:
Raven...you are loosing your mind.thanks? i think graemlins/stupid.gif

oh yeah... losing my mind to this track
LOS HERMANOs (http://dancetracks.com/audio/36203.ram)

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by Soulful1015:
Raven, since you obviously have the mix, do you know what the songs at 10:30 and 1:06:35 are?nope. sorry... biggrinangel.gif

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by blackwax:
Raven are you in jerzee at aziz's place when i come over on the 8th would like to meet ya!!
see his house-callz site
thanksNot this time. Maybe sometime in the future.
I'll be away that weekend.

However - I am performing/DJing at THE CONDUIT (http://www.conduitmusic.com) in Trenton on March 15th. Check me out if you can.

Thanks and BIG LOVE to Aziz and the Housecallz crew!

[Tenyu]

Originally posted by Ish:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MarkK:
I did not know this would start such a ruckus graemlins/acclaim.gif

Certainly, Shelter can make this request and Gman is good to honor it. However, I take issue with those who say live mixes should be reserved for those in the club.

Not everyone is such a house expert as you guys. Sometimes, being able to hear live mixes is one of the only ways us novices get a chance to really study the music. I am not a DJ, so I do not buy records. However, a live mix with a track listing is a GREAT way for me to learn about what I am listening to.

What is the best learing experience is when I can go to the club, hear the music there, and then listen to the live mix later. That teaches me the most. However, one cannot always attend the clubs they would like to (geographic reasons come to mind, I do not live in NY).

I think its incredibly eltist to say unless you can feel shelter from the inside, you have no business listening to a shelter mix.I concur. Not everyone has the opportunity nor the means to get to the shelter live in person. But does that mean they do not "deserve" to hear the music? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]but is it everyone's right to have access to his mixes?

[blackwax]

too bad i'm only in town for a few day's
checked out your site though great kieth h stuff on there liked the flash movie in the subway graemlins/clap.gif

[statuskuo]

raven, go get a M-16. and what the **** is wrong with your site? it crashes the browser. WTF!
now we know why you are an ex-employee.

and get YO's board back up already!

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by blackwax:
too bad i'm only in town for a few day's
checked out your site though great kieth h stuff on there liked the flash movie in the subway graemlins/clap.gif it's all good - have a great time - and thanks!

http://www.ravenfox.net/images/sheltergraf.jpg
Graffiti by Joey Vega at Shelter
(his fantastic mural on the main dance floor was unfortunately buffed)

> I'll post all those pictures sometime soon in tribute to Joey Vega's work.

[MarkK]

No need to apoligize smile.gif I agree that its his right to ask Gman to take it down.


Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MarkK:
I did not know this would start such a ruckus graemlins/acclaim.gif

Certainly, Shelter can make this request and Gman is good to honor it. However, I take issue with those who say live mixes should be reserved for those in the club.

Not everyone is such a house expert as you guys. Sometimes, being able to hear live mixes is one of the only ways us novices get a chance to really study the music. I am not a DJ, so I do not buy records. However, a live mix with a track listing is a GREAT way for me to learn about what I am listening to.

What is the best learing experience is when I can go to the club, hear the music there, and then listen to the live mix later. That teaches me the most. However, one cannot always attend the clubs they would like to (geographic reasons come to mind, I do not live in NY).

I think its incredibly eltist to say unless you can feel shelter from the inside, you have no business listening to a shelter mix.I can be wrong. It was only my opinion nobody elses. I do not represent Shelter, just myself and I agree with the fact that all cannot attend clubs out of their region. I also understand that part about learning the music. So I apologize for those statements wholeheartedly. The part about someone Not wanting their mixes posted I will stand by. One should always at least try to respect one's wishes I never said that noone has any business listening to a Shelter mix if they don't go to the club. I was merely getting at the fact that the cd itself would not compare to the whole club experience.... That's all. Sorry for any misunderstanings
Peace</font>[/QUOTE]

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
raven, go get a M-16. and what the **** is wrong with your site? it crashes the browser. WTF!
now we know why you are an ex-employee.

and get YO's board back up already!graemlins/rofl.gif

I'm about PEACE, LOVE, UNITY & RESPECT... you already know that.

time to upgrade to 6.0 Kai :D

The YO WEBSITE (http://www.yellorange.net) is up last time I checked. Server has been swamped. Even though it looks like the board is slow - the mixshows streams get pulled non-stop all day all night.

> Raven graemlins/acclaim.gif

[Ish]

Originally posted by Tenyu:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ish:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MarkK:
I did not know this would start such a ruckus graemlins/acclaim.gif

Certainly, Shelter can make this request and Gman is good to honor it. However, I take issue with those who say live mixes should be reserved for those in the club.

Not everyone is such a house expert as you guys. Sometimes, being able to hear live mixes is one of the only ways us novices get a chance to really study the music. I am not a DJ, so I do not buy records. However, a live mix with a track listing is a GREAT way for me to learn about what I am listening to.

What is the best learing experience is when I can go to the club, hear the music there, and then listen to the live mix later. That teaches me the most. However, one cannot always attend the clubs they would like to (geographic reasons come to mind, I do not live in NY).

I think its incredibly eltist to say unless you can feel shelter from the inside, you have no business listening to a shelter mix.I concur. Not everyone has the opportunity nor the means to get to the shelter live in person. But does that mean they do not "deserve" to hear the music? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]but is it everyone's right to have access to his mixes?</font>[/QUOTE]I am not sure. Maybe he has a vested interest in having only certain people having access to his mixes. Maybe he will fall victim to bootlegs and have trouble selling his "live at shelter" cds. Maybe giving access to every joe schmo off the block will not preserve the integrity of deep house. I really dont know.

What I do know is he is playing music and there is the potential for that music to turn on and keep inspiring people to house music.

[mhd]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />
!I'm about PEACE, LOVE, UNITY & RESPECT... you already know that.

> Raven graemlins/acclaim.gif </font>[/QUOTE]practice what you preach, bro

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
[QUOTE]
I'm about PEACE, LOVE, UNITY & RESPECT... bwaaaaaahahahahahahaahhahaaa...choke....bwaaahahah ahahahhaha.

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Raven Fox:


I'm about PEACE, LOVE, UNITY & RESPECT... bwaaaaaahahahahahahaahhahaaa...choke....bwaaahahah ahahahhaha.</font>I was waiting for you to come for me Lil' Ray - don't choke on that chicken bone graemlins/rofl.gif

[ February 27, 2003, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />
!I'm about PEACE, LOVE, UNITY & RESPECT... you already know that.

> Raven graemlins/acclaim.gif </font>[/QUOTE]practice what you preach, bro</font>[/QUOTE]I do. Thank you! :rolleyes:

[mhd]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />
!I'm about PEACE, LOVE, UNITY & RESPECT... you already know that.

> Raven graemlins/acclaim.gif </font>[/QUOTE]practice what you preach, bro</font>[/QUOTE]I do. Thank you! :rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]not in this instance, but hey, we all have a few things that take us out of our game, you know that i wish you the best

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
[QUOTE] I was waiting for you to come for me Lil' Ray - don't choke on that chicken bone graemlins/rofl.gif yeah, I know....so preoccupied with a little black man from brooklyn who has no influence on nothing.....just reading and laughing....because this is really laughable....bwaaaahahahahahahahaha.... smile.gif smile.gif

[ February 27, 2003, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: liL Ray ]

[statuskuo]

raven, you wanna battle "chef chowdown" lil Ray?? i'll give up my slot for you on the 13th of March on downshiftradio.com

PuhLUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRR

[Red D]

Sorry peepz, this is all a load of BS to me. If you don't want your mixes to be 'out there', then don't record them and check peepz for illegal recording devices.

On another note, why dj if you don't want people to hear your music? We can't all fly over the Atlantic to go to Shelter now can we?

Records are for playing, mixing them up is for hearing.

And another one, if you don't want your picture taken, stay in your room... I'm not hating on Timmy, I don't even know the man, but not wanting your picture taken when you are in the spotlight like that seems a bit unlogical.

Just my two cents.

RD

[imported_Gman]

Oh Raven, by the way don't treat Shelter any different than the other folks in the industry who have contacted me in the past asking that their live mixes not be posted on this site.

-G

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by Red D:
Sorry peepz, this is all a load of BS to me. If you don't want your mixes to be 'out there', then don't record them and check peepz for illegal recording devices. On another note, why dj if you don't want people to hear your music? We can't all fly over the Atlantic to go to Shelter now can we? Records are for playing, mixing them up is for hearing. And another one, if you don't want your picture taken, stay in your room... I'm not hating on Timmy, I don't even know the man, but not wanting your picture taken when you are in the spotlight like that seems a bit unlogical. Just my two cents. RDstay home?? what arenyou, a RonnieRon? Timmy's supposedly one of the owners of Shelter and is one of yesterday's and todays most influential pioneers in this THING WE CALL HOUSE!
so what if he doesn;t want his pics taken!?

where's your respect for Timmy?

Say JERZEEE! now!

[ February 27, 2003, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: statuskuo ]

[DJ Rated M]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by blackwax:
Raven are you in jerzee at aziz's place when i come over on the 8th would like to meet ya!!
see his house-callz site
thanksNot this time. Maybe sometime in the future.
I'll be away that weekend.

However - I am performing/DJing at THE CONDUIT (http://www.conduitmusic.com) in Trenton on March 15th. Check me out if you can.

Thanks and BIG LOVE to Aziz and the Housecallz crew!</font>[/QUOTE]i leave for miami on the 16th but i'll slide down & check you out......

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by Gman:
Oh Raven, by the way don't treat Shelter any different than the other folks in the industry who have contacted me in the past asking that their live mixes not be posted on this site.
-GWith Respect.

I'm done with it - did what you asked me and (hopefully) the board is satisfied.

Anything else I can do (within reason) let me know.

Peace!

Raven

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by Gman:
by the way don't treat Shelter any different than the other folks in the industry who have contacted me in the past asking that their live mixes not be posted on this site.

-GI guess it's not as advantageous to go after them as it is the SHELTER.....

Agendas abound..... graemlins/nono.gif

[Cheddar]

This is the perfect example of some "Crabs in a Barrel" shhhhh.

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
all ass-kissing bullsh*t graemlins/cussing.gif

Ass kissing ? It has been my policy for some time now that if a DJ doesn't want his mixes posted on this site then they will be taken down.

-G

[Cordell]

'cuse me Gman, but are all the "shelter" mixes removed? To lazy to search thru!

[Red D]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Red D:
Sorry peepz, this is all a load of BS to me. If you don't want your mixes to be 'out there', then don't record them and check peepz for illegal recording devices. On another note, why dj if you don't want people to hear your music? We can't all fly over the Atlantic to go to Shelter now can we? Records are for playing, mixing them up is for hearing. And another one, if you don't want your picture taken, stay in your room... I'm not hating on Timmy, I don't even know the man, but not wanting your picture taken when you are in the spotlight like that seems a bit unlogical. Just my two cents. RDstay home?? what arenyou, a RonnieRon? Timmy's supposedly one of the owners of Shelter and is one of yesterday's and todays most influential pioneers in this THING WE CALL HOUSE!
so what if he doesn;t want his pics taken!?

where's your respect for Timmy?

Say JERZEEE! now!</font>[/QUOTE]JERZEEEEE!

Indeed, and I clearly stated I am not hating on Timmy, just think it's kinda illogical not to want your picture taken when you are in the spotlight like he is.

Maybe he's got some kind of ulcer on his forehead? biggrinangel.gif

I know I do ;)

RD

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by Cordell:
'cuse me Gman, but are all the "shelter" mixes removed? To lazy to search thru!No. The request was that no more new live @ shelter mixes be posted.

[messiah]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
raven, you wanna battle "chef chowdown" lil Ray?? i'll give up my slot for you on the 13th of March on downshiftradio.com

PuhLUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRThats your best bet because I've heard your style. It's very free. Even so, Raven can't beat Ray either! Stop playen!

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by messiah:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by statuskuo:
raven, you wanna battle "chef chowdown" lil Ray?? i'll give up my slot for you on the 13th of March on downshiftradio.com PuhLUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRThats your best bet because I've heard your style. It's very free. Even so, Raven can't beat Ray either! Stop playen!</font>[/QUOTE]you may prove to be the weakest link on your 3/13 battle squad, son.

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

The mix that was up is sold at The Shelter along with other live mixes that Timmy does at The Shelter. If a site that has over 3000 members, collectively downloaded the mix, then burned it to cd, as opposed to buying it from The Shelter, how much do you think it would cut into their profits. That is the reason why the mix was asked to be taken down.

Now Raven, I am sure that the next record you put out will be available for all to download and burn to cd. I am sure if you didnt approve and someone was to host your whole album on a message board, that you wouldnt mind at all, right?>

[2121]

really, I think this is a bad business move on Shelter's behalf. it's great promotion for the club and even better promotion for Timmy Regisford but you know, you have to keep it all real underground and shit b/c, you know, you just got to.

[2121]

if they're selling them at the club, they should post mixes on other sites in sub-standard quality, at the very least.

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by 2121:
really, I think this is a bad business move on Shelter's behalf. it's great promotion for the club and even better promotion for Timmy Regisford but you know, you have to keep it all real underground and shit b/c, you know, you just got to.The club is packed every week. It is the most popular house spot in the city. If you dont know about it at this point, a mix online isnt going to do any good.

[mhd]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 2121:
really, I think this is a bad business move on Shelter's behalf. it's great promotion for the club and even better promotion for Timmy Regisford but you know, you have to keep it all real underground and shit b/c, you know, you just got to.The club is packed every week. It is the most popular house spot in the city. If you dont know about it at this point, a mix online isnt going to do any good.</font>[/QUOTE]man, shelter may be the best party on the planet

[2121]

How about promotion for Timmy Regisford's sake? He's the one losing out, the way I see it. I can see him getting bookings as a result of such free promotion, no? What about the concept of sharing...they're not losing any from posting a mix or two, and I'm sure it raises a lot of interest in the music, which Shelter does not own.

Btw, the first thing that came to my mind listening to my first mix was that it was only one hour long and that i needed more...

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by 2121:
How about promotion for Timmy Regisford's sake? He's the one losing out, the way I see it. I can see him getting bookings as a result of such free promotion, no? What about the concept of sharing...they're not losing any from posting a mix or two, and I'm sure it raises a lot of interest in the music, which Shelter does not own.

Btw, the first thing that came to my mind listening to my first mix was that it was only one hour long and that i needed more...You muts be joking. Timmy Regisford doesnt need any promotion at this point. Would you say the same about LLV or Morales.. ?

[2121]

sure he needs promotion. he doesn't produce on the scale of maw & co. more people than not have ever even heard about the guy - and I'd like to remind you that the music world does not revolve around the shelter.

[House]

its threads like this that confirm my feeling that there are some true assholes out there...

wheres the really real dj strip when you need him

losers (ps...if ya think i'm talking about YOU, you're right)

[ February 27, 2003, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: your idol, Buddy Love ]

[mhd]

2121, you are the same one advocating for smoking weed in the shelter? at least you are consistent

[House]

Originally posted by 2121:
sure he needs promotion. he doesn't produce on the scale of maw & co. more people than not have ever even heard about the guy - and I'd like to remind you that the music world does not revolve around the shelter.ummmm...you really need to get back on your bowl about now

you consistently write some silly shit....

this is your brain on drugs

[2121]

Honey, you truly exemplify most people's notions of the village idiot. Constantly proving to the world exactly how much you DON'T know. And you lack the skills to address someone appropriately. If you wanna attack my opinion, then post something constructive, otherwise, kindly step the **** off.

[2121]

test:

****
dick
shit
asshole

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by 2121:
Honey, you truly exemplify most people's notions of the village idiot. Constantly proving to the world exactly how much you DON'T know. And you lack the skills to address someone appropriately. If you wanna attack my opinion, then post something constructive, otherwise, kindly step the **** off.Warning Number 1

[2121]

Right guy, I'll watch what I say. While I'm watching your boy embarrasing himself with his own brand of b.s and played-out cut-ups.

[House]

Originally posted by 2121:
Honey, you truly exemplify most people's notions of the village idiot. Constantly proving to the world exactly how much you DON'T know. And you lack the skills to address someone appropriately. If you wanna attack my opinion, then post something constructive, otherwise, kindly step the **** off.what I don't know????!!!!...you soused sow...Timmy constantly works..heads record companies, plays on the radio, dj's oversees deals with the Shelter and is widely known and respected in the industry
Did you miss him at the Grammys with Soul 2 Soul? Did you not know he played on BLS? Or has been in the NYC scene for 20 years? Or worked at a record label?

First you wanna defend weed use in a club, now you show how little you know by saying timmy needs promotion (btw...i didn't even mention his remix work)

Get back on the pipe you drug addled waste of space!

BTW...my skills for addressing assholes have proven more than appropriate..its called contempt for them and their opinions - join the club

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by your idol, Buddy Love:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 2121:
Honey, you truly exemplify most people's notions of the village idiot. Constantly proving to the world exactly how much you DON'T know. And you lack the skills to address someone appropriately. If you wanna attack my opinion, then post something constructive, otherwise, kindly step the **** off.what I don't know????!!!!...you soused sow...Timmy constantly works..heads record companies, plays on the radio, dj's oversees deals with the Shelter and is widely known and respected in the industry
Did you miss him at the Grammys with Soul 2 Soul? Did you not know he played on BLS? Or has been in the NYC scene for 20 years? Or worked at a record label?

First you wanna defend weed use in a club, now you show how little you know by saying timmy needs promotion (btw...i didn't even mention his remix work)

Get back on the pipe you drug addled waste of space!

BTW...my skills for addressing assholes have proven more than appropriate..its called contempt for them and their opinions - join the club</font>[/QUOTE]Warning Number 1

[2121]

Can you not read?

All I was advocating was posting a couple mixes to spread the music around, promo'ing for Timmy was stipulated as another benefit as he is, by and large, unknown in the greater 'house' community. Maybe not in your clique, so why not try making some friends outside your little circle of ballwashers and you'll see that there's a whole world outside your playground son. Are we actually debating about this. how bloody embarrasing.

another thing buddyboy, why are you so threatened when someone's opinion differs from your own? A person's opposing opinion affects you about as much as saturn. And you can dispense with the name calling and 8th grade cuts, for real.

I'm bored already and all too willing to dead this. You can have the last word, I don't care anymore, go for it.

[2121]

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[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by 2121:
Can you not read?

All I was advocating was posting a couple mixes to spread the music around, promo'ing for Timmy was stipulated as another benefit as he is, by and large, unknown in the greater 'house' community. Maybe not in your clique, so why not try making some friends outside your little circle of ballwashers and you'll see that there's a whole world outside your playground son. Are we actually debating about this. how bloody embarrasing.

another thing buddyboy, why are you so threatened when someone's opinion differs from your own? A person's opposing opinion affects you about as much as saturn. And you can dispense with the name calling and 8th grade cuts, for real.

I'm bored already and all too willing to dead this. You can have the last word, I don't care anymore, go for it.Cya on Monday,,weekends dont count if I remember correctly

[JMNYC]

In reading the rest of the threads on the issue, I understant that this is the commercially-released CD.

That's a horse of a totally different color and should most certainly NOT be streamed on any website.

I still don't get all the conflama, though. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[ February 27, 2003, 11:24 PM: Message edited by: JMNYC ]

[gabriel]

The club is packed every week. It is the most popular house spot in the city. If you dont know about it at this point, a mix online isnt going to do any good.[/QB]i'm sorry, but that is complete bullshit. $$ lost from mixtape sales is a bit more defendable had the cost already gone into production...but most everyone who is being honest with themselves on this msgbrd must admit that there was a time that they knew next to nothing about house music, much less about different DJ styles, sounds, etc. to hold that it "isn't going to do any good" is, i think, a really ****ed up attitude.

dhp's mix archive alone has been a MAJOR resource to people worldwide to learn/feel/groove-to and grow with the development of house music. the fact that mixes spanning almost 20 years (more?) can be found on this site is AWESOME...and to think you're losing face or some other bullshit by having your mix posted up here just because your XYZ dj and only "those who know" are worth knowing about you is just lame.

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />The club is packed every week. It is the most popular house spot in the city. If you dont know about it at this point, a mix online isnt going to do any good.i'm sorry, but that is complete bullshit. $$ lost from mixtape sales is a bit more defendable had the cost already gone into production...but most everyone who is being honest with themselves on this msgbrd must admit that there was a time that they knew next to nothing about house music, much less about different DJ styles, sounds, etc. to hold that it "isn't going to do any good" is, i think, a really ****ed up attitude.

dhp's mix archive alone has been a MAJOR resource to people worldwide to learn/feel/groove-to and grow with the development of house music. the fact that mixes spanning almost 20 years (more?) can be found on this site is AWESOME...and to think you're losing face or some other bullshit by having your mix posted up here just because your XYZ dj and only "those who know" are worth knowing about you is just lame.[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]I think you miss my point. Timmy Regisford is known worldwide. He was on the number 1 station in this city for several years. He has produced or mixed a ton of records.He plays at the longest lasting house club this city has known, since the Garage. There are several other mixes on this site that he doesnt mind being up here.Who has never heard of Timmy Regisford. When Louie Vega's album was on this site, recorded live at the Shelter, I dont remember too many people up in arms when his camo expressed they didnt want it on the site. Where were the" hey he's crazy, it's promotion for his album", then.Francois K, David Mancuso, and others have made the same request. Noone said anything then. In the end the artist has to be respected. What am I saying that is BS. Please enlighten me.

[ February 27, 2003, 10:35 PM: Message edited by: DJ Timmy Richardson ]

[gabriel]

i think you miss my point. my point is that yesterday someone new heard about house music. today someone new will hear about house music. tomorrow too.

are they expected to know timmy from tony from farley from dj mea?

all the things you know about timmy regisford do not come into being the instant you hear about house music.

beyond that, there is a lot of timmy is god on this board. timmy is a dj, a musician, an artist. i respect his opinion as an artist, but i don't think you are "required" to know him the moment you know about house music. dhp and live shelter mixes educate a newer generation. that's my point.

[ February 27, 2003, 10:30 PM: Message edited by: gabrielloveshouse ]

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
i think you miss my point. my point is that yesterday someone new heard about house music. today someone new will hear about house music. tomorrow too.

are they expected to know timmy from tony from farley from dj mea?

all the things you know about timmy regisford do not come into being the instant you hear about house music.

beyond that, there is a lot of timmy is god on this board. timmy is a dj, a musician, an artist. i respect his opinion as an artist, but i don't think you are "required" to know him the moment you know about house music. dhp and live shelter mixes educate a newer generation. that's my point.True and this site documents House Music. Or whatever it is called. There are other Timmy and or Shelter mixes as well as 100's of other deejays on this site.

[mhd]

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
i think you miss my point. my point is that yesterday someone new heard about house music. today someone new will hear about house music. tomorrow too.

are they expected to know timmy from tony from farley from dj mea?

all the things you know about timmy regisford do not come into being the instant you hear about house music.

beyond that, there is a lot of timmy is god on this board. timmy is a dj, a musician, an artist. i respect his opinion as an artist, but i don't think you are "required" to know him the moment you know about house music. dhp and live shelter mixes educate a newer generation. that's my point.who cares?

[gabriel]

your mom
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[YUJI-SAN]

oh no she didn't.

[mhd]

i know its hard to defend your position

[gabriel]

Originally posted by YUJI BR0WN:
oh no she didn't.nope. she sure didn't. but he did. graemlins/spanka.gif

[gabriel]

Originally posted by mhd:
i know its hard to defend your positionagainst the mhd standard of "care"? i guess. ;)

[Fletch]

Anyone who dosen't want their mixes (live, recorded or otherwise) on another site should be granted their wish. For me, this may be an issue of copyrights. Gman took it off as requested, and he did the correct thing. How would you like if someone was soliciting your material without your authorization/permission?

This bootlegging/downloading/burning thing has gotten out of hand (No, I'm not accusing Gman of bootlegging). People think they can always get things for free. Not happening. Yes, I understand that people are out of town and cannot experience Shelter, but what if Timmy and Co. are in the process of producing a "Live At The Shelter" CD series? (Just a thought--thinking of the Body and Soul CD's). None of you would buy it, because y'all already may have the "bootlegs" downloaded. And Shelter, as a result, is not able to do it's business. And the house scene suffers.

On another note, A kid I know was selling entire gospel CDs via burning. I tried to confront him and his parent on the illegality of this, but his parent found nothing wrong with it, claiming, 1) He's just a kid, not like those Chinese guys on Canal Street; and 2) These artists are blowin' up, anyway. I was stunned! Misguided kids being misguided by misguided parents.

Moral of this story: Support the music you enjoy by purchasing it or going to the venue to experience it! If the mixes are available for free (with the owner's go ahead), then count that as a blessing. If not, buy it or go to the club. Peace.

[Fletch]

Originally posted by einnod23:
On another note, A kid I know was selling entire gospel CDs via burning. I tried to confront him and his parent on the illegality of this, but his parent found nothing wrong with it, claiming, 1) He's just a kid, not like those Chinese guys on Canal Street; and 2) These artists are blowin' up, anyway. I was stunned! Misguided kids being misguided by misguided parents.

Moral of this story: Support the music you enjoy by purchasing it or going to the venue to experience it! If the mixes are available for free (with the owner's go ahead), then count that as a blessing. If not, buy it or go to the club. Peace.To elaborate on the buying part. If the CD's are from a major label, then buy it properly (in the store), so that the artist can get credit for it. And NOT via a burned copy!!!! Peace.

[music]

it's ironic because i threw out a box(100) of mixed w.b.l.s tapes from the 80s' and 90's.

i would hate to name the dj who was trying to mix.

lets put it this way it ain't larry, tee, jonathan, merlin, shep,sergio,jellybean,karima,rick richardson, carpenter,robinson, and cassanova.

[ February 28, 2003, 06:56 AM: Message edited by: music ]

[Cheddar]

The funny part is people fail to just criticize..state your opinion and move on. They continue to heap Bullsh*t into "This thing we call the DHP". Some people want to get others going by trashing Regisford which is not cool...just say what you gotta..but being fake, full of sh*t and belligerent is WACK.

[Jamie 3:26]

My take on this....respect the wishes of the dj.

What if someone you gave a mix to,which was not your best work,submitted it to a website?Would you want that mix to be posted on a internet site,where the whole world could hear it?
I am not saying Timmy's shit was wack,but the point I am trying to make is,it's his work,he can share if he wants to.

Timmy and Shelter gets mad love from me.I always talk about my experiences there and to a Chicago head,who never got to fully enjoy the Box,The Plant in it's full run,partying til the next day,this is like going to Garage for me.

A cd will not do it for me.I prefer the real thing.Honestly,if there was a guest dj,I do not know if I would have the same experience,as if Timmy was playing.That was like going to the Box and Terrance was playing when you wanted to hear Ronnie.

Enjoy the fact that you still have a place to kick it at like it was n the good ol days.We do not have anything close to a real party experience here anymore.Be thankful for what you got.

For folks to trip on Timmy and the Shelter crew is pure bs and it is weak and old like coffee with cream an sugar.Give it a rest.Be happy you have something.If you are not happy,do something and stop bitching like lil girls.

[music]

there are too many things in the world to get emotional about like hunger, homelessness, and crime .

rule 1)of mix tapes or cds , it's no longer your property once's you sell them.

2)timmy doesn't own the art work (production) on them.

3)he's not authorized to sell mix tapes of other's music.

[ February 28, 2003, 08:53 AM: Message edited by: music ]

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
The mix that was up is sold at The Shelter along with other live mixes that Timmy does at The Shelter. If a site that has over 3000 members, collectively downloaded the mix, then burned it to cd, as opposed to buying it from The Shelter, how much do you think it would cut into their profits. That is the reason why the mix was asked to be taken down.OK. I understand your point. Thats pure logic - and then, somebody out of that 3000 would probably bootleg it some more. Somebody is trying to make some money. However - I'd like to bring up the bootlegging issue again - Are all of those tracks on the "disputed" Live Mix from Timmy Regisford 2002" licensed to be SOLD to the public? Can anybody clear that one up for me? Furthermore, in essence, they are being sold at a substantial profit and where is the money going? If its going back to the artists - then I'll eat my words.
BTW - I don't have that particular CD streaming from my server because I didn't record it. The other stuff was all done by me directly from the console.


Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
Now Raven, I am sure that the next record you put out will be available for all to download and burn to cd. I am sure if you didnt approve and someone was to host your whole album on a message board, that you wouldnt mind at all, right?>Actually, all of my music IS available for FREE download - including any of the mixshows that I have done. And if somebody decided to host it on their website for download - I'd be outright flattered.
At this point in my career - The money I make is NOT from producing music - I do that out of love for dance music. If someday, it makes me a few dollars - thats great - actually - it inadvertantly has - being booked at various nightclubs around the world by promoters who appreciate my vibe and sound. I'm also getting offers to use my sounds/music in a film score and negotiating a few remix proposals from some pretty credible artists (All paid upfront). I'm in the marketing and advertising business. I am a business owner providing graphic design/creative direction/art direction & production first and foremost because thats what pays the bills. The dance music and my label is a "part-time" love affair.

Yes, I am extremely passionate about this stuff so if it seems that I come across negative sometimes - thats not the body of the point so please don't be so quick to jump to conclusions. I guess thats the nature of the beast when you have written so much down (thank goodness for the EDIT feature)

Anyway - the whole Shelter issue is behind me now anyway - but when I see sh*t like this happen, I react. And for THAT I apologize to anybody that might have been rubbed the wrong way - especially Gerard "GMan".

I'm a small potato in the big pot. The stew is still cooking (and there ARE a few crabs in there).

Peace, Love, Unity & Respect Always

Raven

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by music:
rule of mix tape or cd , it's no longer your property once's you sell them. timmy doesn't own the art work (production) on them.

he's not authorized to sell mix tapes of other's music.What does this have to do with Gman taking the mix down??

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by 2121:
How about promotion for Timmy Regisford's sake? He's the one losing out, the way I see it. I can see him getting bookings as a result of such free promotion, no? What about the concept of sharing...they're not losing any from posting a mix or two, and I'm sure it raises a lot of interest in the music, which Shelter does not own. Btw, the first thing that came to my mind listening to my first mix was that it was only one hour long and that i needed more...bwa hahahhahhhahaaaaa

[music]

raven fox, if they don't get it now, they will never get it. it's not intellectual property rights, people. study the law.

[music]

g- man was a third party.

[Shalewa]

I haven't purchased the CDs that are on sale at the concessions area so I cannot say with 100% certainty but given the years and years of experience in the recording industry of Timmy, Freddy etal. I would be really, really, really surprised if they allowed improperly licensed mixes to go out. It is also worth noting that while Timmy has produced several mix CDs for the Japanese market (and I think at least the first CD on sale was a Japanese import) he is only beginning to test the waters of making these CDs available for any segment of the US market.

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by music:
g- man was a third party.&?

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by Shalewa:
I haven't purchased the CDs that are on sale at the concessions area so I cannot say with 100% certainty but given the years and years of experience in the recording industry of Timmy, Freddy etal. I would be really, really, really surprised if they allowed improperly licensed mixes to go out. It is also worth noting that while Timmy has produced several mix CDs for the Japanese market (and I think at least the first CD on sale was a Japanese import) he is only beginning to test the waters of making these CDs available for any segment of the US market.I just want to say for the record:
The music business is a SHADY business

Alot of money has YET to be paid to many artists promised royalties, licensing fee's, etc.

Dayum, various record labels and nightclubs have owed me money for years for work that I've done (I'm sure alot of you even have the album covers, record labels and invitations that I've designed) and I've pretty much written it off because they either went under, folded or are just plain broke.

And furthermore - alot of the times, independent artists just don't have the $$$ resources or knowledge to litigate. Perhaps they are just happy that somebody felt strongly enough to use their material and write it off as promotion.

[ February 28, 2003, 09:15 AM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[Shalewa]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Shalewa:
I haven't purchased the CDs that are on sale at the concessions area so I cannot say with 100% certainty but given the years and years of experience in the recording industry of Timmy, Freddy etal. I would be really, really, really surprised if they allowed improperly licensed mixes to go out. It is also worth noting that while Timmy has produced several mix CDs for the Japanese market (and I think at least the first CD on sale was a Japanese import) he is only beginning to test the waters of making these CDs available for any segment of the US market.I just want to say for the record:
The music business is a SHADY business

Alot of money has YET to be paid to many artists promised royalties, licensing fee's, etc.

Dayum, various record labels and nightclubs have owed me money for years for work that I've done (I'm sure alot of you even have the album covers, record labels and invitations that I've designed) and I've pretty much written it off because they either went under, folded or are just plain broke.

And furthermore - alot of the times, independent artists just don't have the $$$ resources or knowledge to litigate. Perhaps they are just happy that somebody felt strongly enough to use their material and write it off as promotion.</font>[/QUOTE]I too am an artist and I know how much work goes uncredited and how much income goes uncollected. I still seriously doubt that they are selling unlicesed work given the current legal climate in NYC (stores have been closed for selling couterfeit and bootlegged merchandise under the same criminal nuisance statutes that have been used to shut down nightclubs where drugs have been sold and/or consumed). I also know that it is shady personal business to imply that others did not follow the law and may be engaging in the marketing of unlicensed material while offering no supporting evidence beyond "The music business is a SHADY business".

Raven I don't know you but I do know that you seem to have deeply internalized some slight or unfairness you feel that you suffered at the hands of the Shelter management. If letting it go seems not to be the appropriate route for you to travel then I suggest you explore legal actions you can take or perhaps picketing the club or clearly articulating what your isuues with them are in some other forum. The sniping at them in this forum seems really misplaced since they NEVER ,ever seem to reply and the repeated snipes smack of a petty smear campaign.

[ February 28, 2003, 09:35 AM: Message edited by: Shalewa ]

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by Shalewa:
Raven I don't know you but I do know that you seem to have deeply internalized some slight or unfairness you feel that you suffered at the hands of the Shelter management. If letting it go seems not to be the appropriate route for you to travel then I suggest you explore legal actions you can take or perhaps picketing the club or clearly articulating what your isuues with them are in some other forum. The sniping at them in this forum seems really misplaced since they NEVER ,ever seem to reply and the repeated snipes smack of a petty smear campaign.Thanks for your advice :rolleyes:

p.s.
You're right - you DON'T know me.
If you did, you'd possibly understand where I'm coming from. Nevertheless - thanks for your view.

[discofan]

wow!! what a discussion:=)
OK,i know for cool plase Shelter from this site and if I go there some time it will happend mainly due to DHP /10x gman/.
possibly Shelter have a problem with rights and in this case they whant from DHP to close the link?
and one question:Gman you have a killing,3part, Frankie Knuckles's mix from MardiGra2001/Sydney,but it not present in the page-->may be because of the same reason?

[ February 28, 2003, 09:50 AM: Message edited by: discofan ]

[Shalewa]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
Thanks for your advice :rolleyes:

p.s.
You're right - you DON'T know me.
If you did, you'd possibly understand where I'm coming from. Nevertheless - thanks for your view.[/QB]Raven please explain how I or anyone else could "understand where you are coming from" with your sniping if you NEVER have articulated what caused you to feel this way? Never.

[statuskuo]

http://www.cimarronartgallery.com/0frostedglass.jpg http://www.statuskuo.com/ikonboard/emoticons/zac.gif

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by Shalewa:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Raven Fox:
Thanks for your advice :rolleyes:

p.s.
You're right - you DON'T know me.
If you did, you'd possibly understand where I'm coming from. Nevertheless - thanks for your view.Raven please explain how I or anyone else could "understand where you are coming from" with your sniping if you NEVER have articulated what caused you to feel this way? Never.[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Like I said - if you know me (which many people here do) then you'd understand my issue OK.

Unless of course you are one of the "radically devoted family members" that attacks anybody who has anything bad to say about "Shelter" - there you go.

(It's been said before) Isn't it ironic that anytime there is a post relative to Shelter - the ratings and posts skyrocket.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm....

Anyway... maybe I should keep it to myself or off THIS particular message board because there seems to be lot of one-sidedness going on. Believe me - if you knew HALF of the nonsense, you might be shocked. I'll keep that part to myself.

With Respect.

Raven

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Shalewa:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Raven Fox:
Thanks for your advice :rolleyes:

p.s.
You're right - you DON'T know me.
If you did, you'd possibly understand where I'm coming from. Nevertheless - thanks for your view.Raven please explain how I or anyone else could "understand where you are coming from" with your sniping if you NEVER have articulated what caused you to feel this way? Never.</font>[/QUOTE]Like I said - if you know me (which many people here do) then you'd understand my issue OK.

Unless of course you are one of the "radically devoted family members" that attacks anybody who has anything bad to say about "Shelter" - there you go.

(It's been said before) Isn't it ironic that anytime there is a post relative to Shelter - the ratings and posts skyrocket.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm....

Anyway... maybe I should keep it to myself or off THIS particular message board because there seems to be lot of one-sidedness going on. Believe me - if you knew HALF of the nonsense, you might be shocked. I'll keep that part to myself.

With Respect.

Raven[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]In all sincerity and without belligerent intentions...
Nobody is really concerned with the holy grail of misdeeds until you plaster the idea of their existence on the DHP. Then people respond and you sorta cop out with a "ya'll dont know the details" kinda response.

Indeed topics about the Shelter always get big but you know what...when people attack without backing up what they gotta say...their will be response. Furthermore like Gman posted a few weeks back..it hurts to see people acting like "Crabs in a Barrel".

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
http://www.ravenfox.net/images/zac.jpgThe other one is kinda funny, but what is this?
If it's what I think it is - graemlins/cussing.gif

you get a 10 for nerve!

[ February 28, 2003, 11:12 AM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[n.y.c.h.a]

If these on-line mixes can damage the shelter in any way, then why does Timmy Regisford continue to play on the radio?

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by 1343:
In all sincerity and without belligerent intentions...
Nobody is really concerned with the holy grail of misdeeds until you plaster the idea of their existence on the DHP. Then people respond and you sorta cop out with a "ya'll dont know the details" kinda response.

Indeed topics about the Shelter always get big but you know what...when people attack without backing up what they gotta say...their will be response. Furthermore like Gman posted a few weeks back..it hurts to see people acting like "Crabs in a Barrel".:rolleyes:

it also hurts to see ignorance.

[Shalewa]

Raven I didn't attack you, I asked you a question. I don't know you but because you put it out there I know some of your business. It is really that simple.

[n.y.c.h.a]

If these on-line mixes can damage the shelter in any way, then why does Timmy Regisford continue to play on the radio?

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by n.y.c.h.a:
If these on-line mixes can damage the shelter in any way, then why does Timmy Regisford continue to play on the radio?Did you just wake up from a deep sleep?

No disrespect but I don't think Timmy has been on the radio since (help me here somebody) 90 something?

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by discofan:
and one question:Gman you have a killing,3part, Frankie Knuckles's mix from MardiGra2001/Sydney,but it not present in the page-->may be because of the same reason?Yes it is because of the same reason. Judy Weinstein (sp?) of Defmix contacted me demanding that new mixes of defmix recording artists Frankie Knuckles\David Morales be taken down saying that their is unreleased material on them. I sent her a message saying I would remove Frankie's lastest mixes from the site ( I didn't really have anything new by David posted). I was contacted by someone else at Defmix to work out a way to have the mixes on the site but I have not followed thru on that yet.

-Gerard

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by Shalewa:
Raven I didn't attack you, I asked you a question. I don't know you but because you put it out there I know some of your business. It is really that simple.I was just trying to make a point - not accuse you of anything. It's all good - no harm done!

Thanks Shalewa. ;)

[n.y.c.h.a]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by n.y.c.h.a:
If these on-line mixes can damage the shelter in any way, then why does Timmy Regisford continue to play on the radio?Did you just wake up from a deep sleep?

</font>[/QUOTE]is there any reason you can't discuss this maturely?

[discofan]

"roger that", I LOVE the music industry
:D

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by n.y.c.h.a:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by n.y.c.h.a:
If these on-line mixes can damage the shelter in any way, then why does Timmy Regisford continue to play on the radio?Did you just wake up from a deep sleep?

</font>[/QUOTE]is there any reason you can't discuss this maturely?</font>[/QUOTE]pardon me.
Where do you get your information?

[ February 28, 2003, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[n.y.c.h.a]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by n.y.c.h.a:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by n.y.c.h.a:
If these on-line mixes can damage the shelter in any way, then why does Timmy Regisford continue to play on the radio?Did you just wake up from a deep sleep?

</font>[/QUOTE]is there any reason you can't discuss this maturely?</font>[/QUOTE]pardon me.
Where you get your info?</font>[/QUOTE]You are bringing a little too much negativity to this board for my own tastes, I wonder how long G-man and everyone else can take it.

Why so much hate towards Timmy & The Shelter anyway, I thought you left them of your own free will? I would assume you weren't happy with something, so you left, and all is well. What is with all the negativity towards something so positive in the scene? btw, the 60's comment has something to do with bomb shelters, put 2 and 2 together raven...

[Raven Fox]

Originally posted by n.y.c.h.a:
You are bringing a little too much negativity to this board for my own tastes, I wonder how long G-man and everyone else can take it.

Why so much hate towards Timmy & The Shelter anyway, I thought you left them of your own free will? I would assume you weren't happy with something, so you left, and all is well. What is with all the negativity towards something so positive in the scene? btw, the 60's comment has something to do with bomb shelters, put 2 and 2 together raven...I'm going to shut up now before I get into any more trouble because I could crack on you all day long NYCHA... but I won't.

Have a good day DHP - I gotta go on location now for HBO.

>Raven

Bomb Shelter... that was a good one graemlins/rofl.gif

[ February 28, 2003, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[n.y.c.h.a]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by n.y.c.h.a:
You are bringing a little too much negativity to this board for my own tastes, I wonder how long G-man and everyone else can take it.

Why so much hate towards Timmy & The Shelter anyway, I thought you left them of your own free will? I would assume you weren't happy with something, so you left, and all is well. What is with all the negativity towards something so positive in the scene? btw, the 60's comment has something to do with bomb shelters, put 2 and 2 together raven...I'm going to shut up now before I get into any more trouble because I could crack on you all day long NYCHA... but I won't.

Have a good day DHP - I gotta go on location now for HBO.

>Raven

Bomb Shelter... that was a good one graemlins/rofl.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Why are you so angry?

[discofan]

yes,relax,at you is still morning

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by statuskuo:
http://www.statuskuo.com/ikonboard/emoticons/zac.gifThe other one is kinda funny, but what is this?
If it's what I think it is - graemlins/cussing.gif you get a 10 for nerve!</font>[/QUOTE]it wasn;t meant for you, B.D.

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by n.y.c.h.a:
You are bringing a little too much negativity to this board for my own tastes, I wonder how long G-man and everyone else can take it.

Why so much hate towards Timmy & The Shelter anyway, I thought you left them of your own free will? I would assume you weren't happy with something, so you left, and all is well. What is with all the negativity towards something so positive in the scene? btw, the 60's comment has something to do with bomb shelters, put 2 and 2 together raven...I'm going to shut up now before I get into any more trouble because I could crack on you all day long NYCHA... but I won't. Have a good day DHP - I gotta go on location now for HBO.</font>[/QUOTE]why's the HBO website so slow?? is it down???

[music]

mr man refuses to play on the radio for silly reasons and trust me he is not missed by many people. his mixes were completely off at times.

he hasn't learned when not to play a vocal over a track . it doesn't work for all tacks.

[gabriel]

[/qb]is there any reason you can't discuss this maturely?[/QB][/QUOTE]

deep house page unofficial posting guidelines forbit it graemlins/rofl.gif

[Ronnie Ron]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
what arenyou, a RonnieRon? [/QB]Jerzeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! graemlins/acclaim.gif

Hey Kai, I think you have a Big Head!!!! graemlins/tongueout.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

[ February 28, 2003, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: RonnieRon ]

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by n.y.c.h.a:
If these on-line mixes can damage the shelter in any way, then why does Timmy Regisford continue to play on the radio?When?

[mhd]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by n.y.c.h.a:
If these on-line mixes can damage the shelter in any way, then why does Timmy Regisford continue to play on the radio?When?</font>[/QUOTE]who needs facts?

[YUJI-SAN]

wtf 6 pages of zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[JamesNelson]

Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
stop bitching like lil girls.yep..just keep it love yall-Congrats to timmy, and the shelter for keeping it like it should be-they've proven to be successfull-leave em alone for Gods sake...man o man I wish we could still party like that in chicago. Im a dj from the early 80's and Im still waiting for the atmosphere to come back. MUCH LOVE TIMMY AND THE SHELTER

[Mah'chew]

Another great house business thread, showing how contrived and precious the BIZ can be...

I want to hear my Shelter mixes, but it seems that Shelter just want to send me flyers and big ass posts about who's on when and so and so.

Nice to see they only want my eyes and ears when they're selling something, but when it's time to share, they go precious on us..Not realising that mixes will add to their brand not detract.

Respect to GMAN for the moral stance, but Shelter don't look good when they're all over DHP with self promoting threads for their PRODUCT.

House is a feeling? Maybe it used to be! House is a 'brand' like Coca-Cola if you ask me! Next we'll be getting hit up by Shelter's lawyers

[ March 01, 2003, 12:45 AM: Message edited by: Mathius ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by Mathius:
Another great house business thread, showing how contrived and precious the BIZ can be...

I want to hear my Shelter mixes, but it seems that Shelter just want to send me flyers and big ass posts about who's on when and so and so.

Nice to see they only want my eyes and ears when they're selling something, but when it's time to share, they go precious on us..Not realising that mixes will add to their brand not detract.

Respect to GMAN for the moral stance, but Shelter don't look good when they're all over DHP with self promoting threads for their PRODUCT.

House is a feeling? Maybe it used to be! House is a 'brand' like Coca-Cola if you ask me! Next we'll be getting hit up by Shelter's lawyersc'mon M, you know better than that...

[sammyrock]

I just want to say for the record:
The music business is a SHADY business

Alot of money has YET to be paid to many artists promised royalties, licensing fee's, etc.

Dayum, various record labels and nightclubs have owed me money for years for work that I've done (I'm sure alot of you even have the album covers, record labels and invitations that I've designed) and I've pretty much written it off because they either went under, folded or are just plain broke.

And furthermore - alot of the times, independent artists just don't have the $$$ resources or knowledge to litigate. Perhaps they are just happy that somebody felt strongly enough to use their material and write it off as promotion.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RAVEN I MUST AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS QUOTE FOR SURE.I just wanted to say that I enjoy and love your artwork, continue doin what you do best with music+art.NOW..as for mixes of Timmy is concerned,G was contacted by Defmix people for which if you want to waste time by being a hardass,then by all means keep the set up,but G-man made a choice not only for himself but for US as well.Without DHP and the 800+other mixes here,there is no reason for G-Man to take any chances to be challenged by these corporate mofos.Its all good,800+ Mixes on this is enough for a lifetime of listening pleasures,including my own mixes+Ive heard mixes here with some tracks that Timmy plays as well.Be well people and God Bless you ALL. SammyRock aka Soul Oasis.

[ March 01, 2003, 07:09 AM: Message edited by: sammyrock ]

[Byron Long]

Respect to G-man for his ethical stance - this page is a fantastic resource and the professionalism involved in its existance is obvious every time I check in.
However, I am really disappointed he was pressured to remove the set. Ok, it had it's merits - but does it really represent anything this important ? It WAS dated 2002,are there REALLY any legal implications here ? The track I asked about in my post was released last year. I'm pretty sure the Donna Summer track is out. It all comes across as really ****ing trivial yet
the standard of industry elitism and histrionics is the worst I've seen on this board.
For ****s sake its just music and by all accounts its all been released - why don't you Shelter people loosen up a little and share.
I mean you've got so much respect and publicity worldwide - what more do you want.... Do you want us all to blow every single person on the board of directors ? I want someone to contact G-man and offer to place old mixes on this page straight away please. graemlins/remybussi.gif

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by Dean:
Respect to G-man for his ethical stance - this page is a fantastic resource and the professionalism involved in its existance is obvious every time I check in.
However, I am really disappointed he was pressured to remove the set. Ok, it had it's merits - but does it really represent anything this important ? It WAS dated 2002,are there REALLY any legal implications here ? The track I asked about in my post was released last year. I'm pretty sure the Donna Summer track is out. It all comes across as really ****ing trivial yet
the standard of industry elitism and histrionics is the worst I've seen on this board.
For ****s sake its just music and by all accounts its all been released - why don't you Shelter people loosen up a little and share.
I mean you've got so much respect and publicity worldwide - what more do you want.... Do you want us all to blow every single person on the board of directors ? I want someone to contact G-man and offer to place old mixes on this page straight away please. graemlins/remybussi.gif Again where were all the people saying these things when several other mixes were taken down. Makes me wonder why you guys only pick on the Shelter mix.

[Byron Long]

I do not seek to single out the Shelter (living on the other side of the world and not being 'industry' leaves me indifferent) - my comments would question the rational behind removing any of the mixes. I just think the situation is unworthy of the high drama and 'show pony' antics.

[Byron Long]

I was also REALLY enjoying the set :(

[dj paradigm]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by blackwax:
sorry gman and all I got carried away now i feel bad at listnin to the mix you are right if they have asked for it to be removed then i will respect that (it did sound great though) see you all at shelter on the 8thBlackwax - you shouldn't feel bad at all.
Once you let them start dictating what you can and can't listen to online - then your freedom has been compromised.

Is this what its coming to?

Please graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

p.s.

...how many of you have bootlegs in your record bag???? How disrespectful is THAT !!</font>[/QUOTE]Tell it like it is RAVEN!...I keep on telling ya'll folks that this whole dance music scene, in the final analysis, is going to come down to race. White folks are in the process of controlling and redefining House Music, and they are using niave and apolitical Black folks to further their agenda.....

[dj paradigm]

This is fcuking billshut!...Who the fcuk they think they are?....I think it is hypocritical for the Shelter to make this demand and at the same time Timmy uses acappellas of artist songs and mixes them with other tracks without their permission. This is so fcuking crazy and assanine behaivor. How many fcking bootlegs records do Timmy and the Shelter play....Fcking Hypocrites!......

[Mah'chew]

Originally posted by Dean:
I do not seek to single out the Shelter (living on the other side of the world and not being 'industry' leaves me indifferent) - my comments would question the rational behind removing any of the mixes. I just think the situation is unworthy of the high drama and 'show pony' antics.I agree somewhat, my comments were made on Saturday morning and the mix had been taken away by then and I believe they can do what they like with the mixes. My words were too strong (hang-over induced) but I felt that it was uneven that many people on DHP cannot go to Shelter but would like to hear mixes, Shelter constantly promote their brand on this page (which is cool), it just felt a little off putting really.

More power to Shelter in their attempts at trying to stop the dilution of their brand, they need full contol of any communication output and so does the artist, I fully understand this and take back my comments. They were made on the spur of moment. no stress!

[imported_Gman]

Shelter folk have always asked nicely for me to remove mixes or photos.

While we are talking about wanting control over ones work (IMO nothing wrong with that..)

Francois K asked that no live mixes of his be placed on this site. He wants to maintain control over his work.He said Radio mixes are okay.

Judy Wiestein of Defmix said that she wanted all Defmix recording artists (Frankie Knuckles\David Morales) to be removed from this site. The mixes contain unreleased material that the artists are working on.

I can continue with more names....

I live with an artist so I definitely understand and respect their point of view.

[P-Flipp]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gman:
I was contacted politely by Shelter staff to remove it. They expressed that Timmy's radio mixes were okay to post but not mixes of Timmy live @ the Shelter.

Bad G-man graemlins/spanka.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

-Ghttp://www.ravenfox.net/images/shelterbooth.jpg

*** I WAS ASKED TO REMOVE THE LINKS TO THE TIMMY REGISFORD AUDIO FROM MY SERVER BY G-MAN (see his message below) ****

You STILL want to hear them though... go to my website (http://www.ravenfox.net)
They will be there from now on - including some VERY exclusive stuff in the future - look for the logo.

I have tons of live mixes on DAT and CD from Shelter past and present / video too. I definetly won't let them go to waste. This just makes me want to "Try building up rather than tearing down..."

graemlins/jpshakehead.gif sounds like some more elitist shit to me - a dayum shame if you ask me.

(((((( control freaks ))))))

> oh yeah - call me a disgruntled ex-employee</font>[/QUOTE]Raven your site looks fabulous,with superb content.Keep up the good work. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

['Magic' Juan]

I see the Shelter has always caused controversy. Hmmmmm....

magic_juan http://deephousepage.com/smilies/scratchchin.gif

[O'love]

"The mix that was up is sold at The Shelter along with other live mixes that Timmy does at The Shelter. If a site that has over 3000 members, collectively downloaded the mix, then burned it to cd, as opposed to buying it from The Shelter, how much do you think it would cut into their profits. That is the reason why the mix was asked to be taken down. "

are these (or any other of the online mixes) 100% cleared? ie are the tracks licensed from the original artist? if not then i think it's very hypocritical to demand the mixes to be removed.. in the end it's "just" a DJ mixing the music created by musicians/producers... i value a musician much higher than a DJ....

Olaf

[Jolyon]

Personally, I think it's precious bullshit.

Music is for sharing - it's not like anyone is downloading these mixes and selling them or anything. In fact, people are downloading the mixes and asking what the records are and then going out and buying them!

If the argument is that the DJ is an 'artist' (what ego-filled bullshit that is), I just don't get it. A DJ is a musical host not an artist.

I can understand it if people are asking for mixes to be taken down that contain their own productions or unreleased material. But when a mix from a club is up on a site, that just contains other people's music, I don't get why someone would want to ban that from being shared - unless they are suggesting ALL on-line mixes should be deleted.

I'm coming to the sad conclusion that so much of the PLUR stuff is just a crock of crap designed to make money.

My 2 pence.

[YUJI-SAN]

damn yall this thread is from 4 months ago let it go sheesh!

[Dj Pat]

Hmmmmm...
In more way's than one I do agree with the control of one's music or mix.
But it seem's kind of wild that when the drama broke out on shelter, they ask g-man to take off mixes from the people who represent shelter.
That's kind of shady within itself. Is it just me, or does it seem's if you start to ask question's ( which anyone can do rightfully so!)
about the why's of a place, about shelter, now they want g-man to take down the mixes that was made there!?!?
The mixes been on DHP for a long time now, allmost everyone listen to a shelter "live" mix.
Now shelter want there mixes off DHP for whatever reason?
Bizarre-bizzare graemlins/jpshakehead.gif . Ohh well, life goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on ;)
Peace.
Dj Pat
Physical Heat.

[Jolyon]

Originally posted by Blue:
Hmmmmm...
In more way's than one I do agree with the control of one's music or mix.
But it seem's kind of wild that when the drama broke out on shelter, they ask g-man to take off mixes from the people who represent shelter.
That's kind of shady within itself. Is it just me, or does it seem's if you start to ask question's ( which anyone can do rightfully so!)
about the why's of a place, about shelter, now they want g-man to take down the mixes that was made there!?!?
The mixes been on DHP for a long time now, allmost everyone listen to a shelter "live" mix.
Now shelter want there mixes off DHP for whatever reason?
Bizarre-bizzare graemlins/jpshakehead.gif . Ohh well, life goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on ;)
Peace.
Dj Pat
Physical Heat. Life Goes On - Mike Dunn (MDIII) smile.gif

[O'love]

i am curious what happens when an artist who's record is used in timmy's online mix demands the mix to be put back online, as it's valueable promotion for his record ;)

Olaf

[Rob.J]

class...... graemlins/lol.gif