Tip: Sampling your drums more than once with diff EQ settings to max sound control

[Bande-A-Part_NYC]

Although I have a computer and Pro-Tools etc, I still do this on my Akai MPC 2000:

1) When I sample a Kick nowadays, I sample it at 4 different ranges with my EQ. I sample my kick with EQ flat first, then sample it bass only, then sample it mid range only, then sample it with Highs only.

2) Then I assign each one of these samples to it's own pad, so later on when it comes to the mixdown you can manipulate each one's volume control seperately. This way you will have superior control over manipulating the way your kick will sound both with volume, and playing with each one's attack, decay, and swing.

3) Record your flat EQ sample kick into your sequence first. When you are happy with your swing settings/patterns and all that jazz, then you can go go back and place the other 3 (low/mid/high) kicks underneath.

So to get the right tone or sound out of your kicks, you go into the mixing board and adjust the volume levels of the high end of your kick, the mid range of your kick, and the low end of your kick seperatley. It's like you have the ultimate chopped up home made Kick-Only EQ.

You can bring the mid of the kick up a bit, bring the bass down, and have the high end up to sound snappy as hell, or whatever you choose. You will be pleasantly suprised at how much you can effect the sound of your kicks. Plus with all that layering, you will get a nice thump. Unless you want to bring each one down or mess with attack/decay and lessen the thump a bit... you get the picture smile.gif

4) Other tricks to try are to put a slightly different swing and lower volume on the other kicks, that way you will get some cool effects. Sometimes I take the low end sampled kick only, and syncopate it at a really low volume where it is barely audible, but you will definately feel the difference.

So come up with some of your own ideas and please share, and...

HAVE FUN!!!!

From yours truly - THE DONGER!

[ December 17, 2003, 10:14 AM: Message edited by: Bande-A-Part_ NYC ]

[Bande-A-Part_NYC]

FYI, if you have the Akai MPC 2000, there is a function where one pad can activate the other pads, so you can play all parts of your chopped up kick at the same time. This also helps when mixing down your kicks.

[matthew]

nice. but what we really want is the 10 step guide to producing pale disco classics. my beard is rustling in anticipation

[djyoavb]

Originally posted by Bande-A-Part_ NYC:
Although I have a computer and Pro-Tools etc, I still do this on my Akai MPC 2000:

1) When I sample a Kick nowadays, I sample it at 4 different ranges with my EQ. I sample my kick with EQ flat first, then sample it bass only, then sample it mid range only, then sample it with Highs only.

2) Then I assign each one of these samples to it's own pad, so later on when it comes to the mixdown you can manipulate each one's volume control seperately. This way you will have superior control over manipulating the way your kick will sound both with volume, and playing with each one's attack, decay, and swing.

3) Record your flat EQ sample kick into your sequence first. When you are happy with your swing settings/patterns and all that jazz, then you can go go back and place the other 3 (low/mid/high) kicks underneath.

So to get the right tone or sound out of your kicks, you go into the mixing board and adjust the volume levels of the high end of your kick, the mid range of your kick, and the low end of your kick seperatley. It's like you have the ultimate chopped up home made Kick-Only EQ.

You can bring the mid of the kick up a bit, bring the bass down, and have the high end up to sound snappy as hell, or whatever you choose. You will be pleasantly suprised at how much you can effect the sound of your kicks. Plus with all that layering, you will get a nice thump. Unless you want to bring each one down or mess with attack/decay and lessen the thump a bit... you get the picture smile.gif

4) Other tricks to try are to put a slightly different swing and lower volume on the other kicks, that way you will get some cool effects. Sometimes I take the low end sampled kick only, and syncopate it at a really low volume where it is barely audible, but you will definately feel the difference.

So come up with some of your own ideas and please share, and...

HAVE FUN!!!!

From yours truly - THE DONGER! thanx for the tips! gonna try it... smile.gif

[Digiman]

Ever try splitting a loop over the 16 levels function? You can get some really off the hook results with that. Just make sure that velocity doesn't affect volume on the pad and then split it on the velocity 16 level.

[Bande-A-Part_NYC]

Originally posted by Digiman:
Ever try splitting a loop over the 16 levels function? You can get some really off the hook results with that. Just make sure that velocity doesn't affect volume on the pad and then split it on the velocity 16 level. I'm not too sure what you mean. Please starts a new thread and write a detailed version explaining what you mean first, process in easy steps, and advantages of this particular trick.

That way we can always archive all tips in seperate posts and come back and find them at a later date. Thanks...

Shit, I'm gonna ask G if I can help moderate this forum!!!

[Bande-A-Part_NYC]

Matter of fact, I'm gonna rename this thread topic to be more specific.

[Digiman]

Originally posted by Bande-A-Part_ NYC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Digiman:
Ever try splitting a loop over the 16 levels function? You can get some really off the hook results with that. Just make sure that velocity doesn't affect volume on the pad and then split it on the velocity 16 level. I'm not too sure what you mean. Please starts a new thread and write a detailed version explaining what you mean first, process in easy steps, and advantages of this particular trick.

That way we can always archive all tips in seperate posts and come back and find them at a later date. Thanks...

Shit, I'm gonna ask G if I can help moderate this forum!!! </font>[/QUOTE]Afraid I'm off to the pub for Xmas party. Perhaps I'll share the secret tomorrow unless my hangover resembles a scene from Apocalypse Now in which case I won't.

[Bande-A-Part_NYC]

Originally posted by Digiman:
Afraid I'm off to the pub for Xmas party. Perhaps I'll share the secret tomorrow unless my hangover resembles a scene from Apocalypse Now in which case I won't. [/QB]Hahahahaha... make sure one of your drunk office girls gives you a lapdance.

[Kenny Carvajal]

Nice tip! I'll definitely have to try this one. Mine I guess is kind of similar. What I do is when I sample a kick, if it's too boomy, I mix it with a thumpier or brighter kick to make it stick out a little. Same goes for all the other drum sounds.

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[jsd540]

Does that ever cause a problem with phase cancellation and if so how do you eliminate the problem.

[Kenny Carvajal]

Jsd, if you're referring to my post, the only time I've ever experienced the phase cancelation is when both sounds are occupying the same frequencies.

The brighter sound simply adds the top end to make it peak out and the lower sound simply fills in the sound.

Kind of like the drum miking technique with placing a mic inside the drum and another on the beater side. I find it works well.

Kenny

[Bande-A-Part_NYC]

Originally posted by Kenny Carvajal:
Jsd, if you're referring to my post, the only time I've ever experienced the phase cancelation is when both sounds are occupying the same frequencies.

The brighter sound simply adds the top end to make it peak out and the lower sound simply fills in the sound.

Kind of like the drum miking technique with placing a mic inside the drum and another on the beater side. I find it works well.

Kenny Exacts.

[jsd540]

Originally posted by Bande-A-Part_ NYC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Kenny Carvajal:
Jsd, if you're referring to my post, the only time I've ever experienced the phase cancelation is when both sounds are occupying the same frequencies.

The brighter sound simply adds the top end to make it peak out and the lower sound simply fills in the sound.

Kind of like the drum miking technique with placing a mic inside the drum and another on the beater side. I find it works well.

Kenny Exacts. </font>[/QUOTE]I see, I have never looked at it that way which explains why I have the cancellation issues. I will try it out this weekend. graemlins/thumbsup.gif