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    another one bites the dust - mike vick

    Legal odds against Vick just got much longer
    By Lester Munson
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    A grand jury indicted Atlanta Falcons' quarterback Michael Vick on Tuesday, which at least partially answers one question that has lingered since the news first broke about an alleged dogfighting operation on property owned by Vick in Virginia: Was Vick involved? Obviously, we know now that investigators believe he was.


    There are plenty of football-related issues still to be resolved about Vick's future with the Falcons and the NFL, but those might be the least of his concerns right now. Questions about his legal future abound. Here are some answers.

    What do these federal charges mean for Vick?

    Vick is in real trouble. He is up against the might and majesty of the U.S. government with all of its agents, all of its investigative techniques and all of its skilled prosecutors. If he has any doubts about the power and skill of the forces arrayed against him, he can call Scooter Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, or he can call Lord Conrad Black, the disgraced media mogul facing time in a federal penitentiary. If he still isn't convinced, he can call Jeff Skilling, the zillionaire former Enron CEO who is residing in a federal pen. All three of them hired brilliant (and expensive) lawyers. All three thought they could explain their way out from under federal charges. And all three were convicted. Vick can, and probably will, hire some of America's best defense lawyers, but they will face a serious battle.

    Would Vick be sent to jail if he is convicted?

    Yes. It's hard to imagine any other outcome. The charges are serious, and the evidence against Vick presented at trial will be nasty. The government's case includes evidence that Vick and his cohorts "tested" pit bulls for ferocity. If the dogs failed the test, the indictment charges, they were executed by hanging or drowning. In one case, with Vick present, the indictment says a dog was slammed to the ground until it was dead. In another incident, a dog was soaked with a hose, then electrocuted. Those aren't the sort of transgressions that lead to probation and community service. It's the kind of behavior that results in punishment, and the punishment will be jail time.

    What is the next step for Vick?

    Vick will watch to see which of his three co-defendants will be the first to make a deal with federal prosecutors. Each of them will think seriously about turning on Vick and offering testimony against him in return for less time in jail. Vick obviously is the prime target of the government effort. Prosecutors and agents will be willing to talk with his co-defendants about a deal if they are willing to help prove the case against Vick. The government indictment discloses four witnesses who already have agreed to testify against him. If all three of his co-defendants join these four witnesses against Vick, he and his lawyers might suggest that he, too, should talk to the government about a deal that would minimize his time in jail.

    Vick is charged with "conspiracy" and violations of the "Travel Act." What does that mean?

    The conspiracy charge will make things extra difficult for Vick and his lawyers. Under federal laws, the conspiracy charge allows federal prosecutors to link Vick to things that occurred even if he was not present. If the prosecutors can connect the four defendants, crimes committed by one of them can be used to add to the evidence against the others. It's a tricky legal procedure that prosecutors love and defense lawyers detest. The Travel Act is a device invented by Robert F. Kennedy when he was U.S. Attorney General in the early '60s. It was designed for use against organized crime and made it easier to prove cases against hoodlums. In the sports world, it was used most recently in the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics bribery scandal. Federal prosecutors charged the Utah organizers under the Travel Act and proved millions of dollars in bribes. Vick, however, can take some hope from the fact that U.S. District Judge David Sam found the organizers not guilty of violating the Travel Act even though there was powerful evidence of bribery.

    What was Vick's role in the dogfighting conspiracy described in the indictment?

    According to the indictment, Vick was in the middle of everything from beginning to end. He purchased a vacant piece of property for $34,000, the indictment says. He then had sheds built for training dogs and staging fights and a fence erected to shield the operation from view. And finally, the indictment says, he had a two-story frame house with a basketball court put up as a residence for the people taking care of the dogs. If you believe the indictment, the Vick property had everything anyone could want in a dogfighting operation.

    When would Vick's trial begin?

    The federal courthouse in Richmond, Va., is the home of the nationally recognized "rocket docket." Cases move quickly in Richmond, more quickly than in any other courthouse in the federal system. Vick's lawyers will be looking for delays and for time to prepare a defense, but the trial likely would begin in a matter of four to six months.

    Are the federal authorities in Richmond tough on crime?

    Ask Ralph Sampson, the former NBA star. He fell behind in child support payments to seven children he had with four women, the kind of thing that ordinarily is worked out in a settlement. But instead of a settlement, Sampson found himself charged with felonies in federal court. Then, very quickly, he found himself in jail for two months on a child support charge. Yes, they're tough on crime in Richmond, and they might be particularly tough on crimes involving the torture and killing of dogs.

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    waht a stupid fuck

    can we still swear in here?...lol

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    my man didn't have better shit to do than make dogs fight.

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    Damn, his ass maybe toast...
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    Dog fighting been around since the dog was invented but they had to make an example of one of our Black male, star athlete and maybe roll model...damn!

    but, on the other hand, he gave them the opportunity and the ammunition...

    this is why I always say the Black athlete, entertainers, leaders, and other Black roll models has got to WAKE UP and RECOGNIZE!!!
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    This is crazy ass shit.He is in serious trouble.I love pit bulls,its a shame.I aint no saint,but I take and love my 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liL Ray View Post
    Dog fighting been around since the dog was invented but they had to make an example of one of our Black male, star athlete and maybe roll model...damn!

    but, on the other hand, he gave them the opportunity and the ammunition...

    this is why I always say the Black athlete, entertainers, leaders, and other Black roll models has got to WAKE UP and RECOGNIZE!!!
    i just don't get it. i don't understand how cats get all this cheeze and don't elevate their games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by was View Post
    i just don't get it. i don't understand how cats get all this cheeze and don't elevate their games.
    see the bigger picture....

    Marv Albert assaulted a woman, was caught dressed in some women undergarments and all other freaky shit, but he is still working more than ever and never lost his standing....

    I have more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by liL Ray View Post
    see the bigger picture....

    Marv Albert assaulted a woman, was caught dressed in some women undergarments and all other freaky shit, but he is still working more than ever and never lost his standing....

    I have more...
    marv was out of work for a while right after if memory servs

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    Quote Originally Posted by liL Ray View Post
    see the bigger picture....

    Marv Albert assaulted a woman, was caught dressed in some women undergarments and all other freaky shit, but he is still working more than ever and never lost his standing....

    I have more...
    i'm with you an that. i just don't get how some cats don't use their money to come up, especially when you're a high-profile cat like vick.

    all that potential, potentially down the drain.... and over dogs. it's stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liL Ray View Post
    Dog fighting been around since the dog was invented but they had to make an example of one of our Black male, star athlete and maybe roll model...damn!

    but, on the other hand, he gave them the opportunity and the ammunition...

    this is why I always say the Black athlete, entertainers, leaders, and other Black roll models has got to WAKE UP and RECOGNIZE!!!

    Do you think if it were say tom brady and not vick, they'd let it slide?

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    All this attention over a dude that can't even play football that well.....geezus

    For the record, I have no use for dog fighting, but let's not be disengenious and act like cats haven't been been fighting dogs in the hood for the past 100 years or so and some of you all have witnessed it (especially those in our, uh, "community" organizations, i.e, VL, BDs, etc.) .....if the feds dug up another layer, they would have found cock fighting too....the silly part about all of this is that Mike Vick is about to be made the "face" of dog fighting, something that is WAY older than him....the difference is now "training" has obviously gotten more sophisticated from the days of feeding the dogs cough syurp and cocaine........I suspect the feds involvement in this is because they are looking for DRUGS and possibly steriods which may explain the other three jamokes that are ready to flip.....I guess marks the official end of the stop snitching campaign too


    .....and when did America start a love fest with pit bulls? From where I sit, I would much rather have them fighting and killing each other than mauling some child which every few months you open up the paper or turn on the news and see some kid that has been attacked.....remember the heat Latrell Spewell took when wouldn't put his pit bulls down after they attacked HIS OWN DAUGHTER? The poor, poor pit bulls? Oh, please.......Of course, the middle aged white guys that make up sports talk radio pounding the top of their heads in self righteous indignation have gotten anmesia....and on that same point, just a few months after the Duke case, what happened to level headedness and "let's not rush to judgement" and due process, why the rush to see what Arthur Blank and Roger Gooddell are going to do? Just because the feds are involved, that makes it ok for the dude not to have his day in court?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fred da warrior View Post

    Let's not be disengenious and act like cats haven't been been fighting dogs in the hood for the past 100 years or so.....if the feds dug up another layer, they would have found cock fighting too....the silly part about all of this is that Mike Vick is about to be made the "face" of dog fighting, something that is WAY older than him....the difference is now "training" has obviously gotten more sophisticated from the days of feeding the dogs cough syurp and cocaine........I suspect the feds involvement in this is because they are looking for DRUGS and possibly steriods....


    .....and when did America start a love fest with pit bulls? From where I sit, I would much rather have them fighting and killing each other than mauling some child which every few months you open up the paper or turn on the news and see some kid that has been attacked.....remember the heat Latrell Spewell took when wouldn't put his pit bulls down after they attacked HIS OWN DAUGHTER? The poor, poor pit bulls? Of course, the middle aged white guys that make up sports talk radio pounding the top of their heads in self righteous indignation have gotten anmesia....and on that same point, just a few months after the Duke case, what happened to level headedness and "let's not rush to judgement" and due process, why the rush to see what Arthur Blank and Roger Gooddell are going to do? Just because the feds are involved, that makes it ok for the dude not to have his day in court?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fred da warrior View Post
    All this attention over a dude that can't even play football that well.....geezus
    Thank goodness someone finally said it

    M Vick is a terrible QB...the real scew up was Atlanta getting rid of Matt Schaub..the team better grab Culpepper and whatever else is floating around out there and cobble together a QB
    As for the charges against me, I am unconcerned. I am beyond their timid lying morality, and so I am beyond caring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palatine William Wilson View Post
    the team better grab Culpepper
    that would be a great pick up...sorry.
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    I stand corrected, btw.....Vick did meet with Roger Goodell a few weeks ago and apparantely told him that he didn't have anything to do with this.....so he could be in trouble for lying to the commish's face....


    Shit, the whole "Ron Mexico"-herpes thing was more of a public niusance than this.....
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    Tom Brady wouldn't be under fire in the same way if this was his issue, but that's because he's won three Super Bowls, and he has the underlying subconscious advantage of white privelege.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djmarbll View Post
    Tom Brady wouldn't be under fire in the same way if this was his issue, but that's because he's won three Super Bowls, and he has the underlying subconscious advantage of white privelege.
    As evidenced by he supposedly knocked up two chicks at the same time and he gets a prime time seat at the State of the Union address held by the "family values" Republicans....
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    Quote Originally Posted by djmarbll View Post
    Tom Brady wouldn't be under fire in the same way if this was his issue, but that's because he's won three Super Bowls, and he has the underlying subconscious advantage of white privelege.
    yeah, that's the only reason...yeah right!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by liL Ray View Post
    that would be a great pick up...sorry.

    Culpepper is the automatic turnover machine. Duante is even worse than grossman at holdning on to the ball. but i guess there is nothing else out there for atlanta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred da warrior View Post
    I stand corrected, btw.....Vick did meet with Roger Goodell a few weeks ago and apparantely told him that he didn't have anything to do with this.....so he could be in trouble for lying to the commish's face....


    Shit, the whole "Ron Mexico"-herpes thing was more of a public niusance than this.....

    No it isn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by djmarbll View Post
    Tom Brady wouldn't be under fire in the same way if this was his issue, but that's because he's won three Super Bowls, and he has the underlying subconscious advantage of white privelege.


    Maybe i am naive but i think Brady would be neck deep in shit as well. Feds love to go after big names black or white.

    If the Feds charge you with a crime, it's because they know they have a very good case to win. Vick is most likely gonna have to plead out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred da warrior View Post
    As evidenced by he supposedly knocked up two chicks at the same time and he gets a prime time seat at the State of the Union address held by the "family values" Republicans....
    compared to this guy that makes Brady a modern Mahatma Ghandi:



    "no cocksuckers in the prime time seats"
    As for the charges against me, I am unconcerned. I am beyond their timid lying morality, and so I am beyond caring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaaos View Post
    No it isn't
    A dude KNOWINGLY giving women (PLURAL, WOMEN) herpes (a health risk) isn't more important than this bullshit? Are you serious?
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    nothing is really fair in this world we live in today. the playing field is not level, has never been level, and never will be level.

    if you keep your nose clean, you will most likely stay out of trouble however.

    fighting dogs and knocking up two girls at one time are two different things.

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