756!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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GArry Sheffield on bonds:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2935737

As for Bonds, a former workout partner and friend of Sheffield's, the Tigers' outfielder says Bonds scoffed at him when he was using vitamins. Sheffield says he then got substances from BALCO, claiming not to know they were steroids.

Sheffield allegedly told a grand jury that he used steroid cream on his legs and "clear" under his tongue, but didn't know they were steroids.

He said his relationship with Bonds deteriorated because of a lack of trust.

"I trusted this man, he allowed me to stay in his house," Sheffield says. "I started seeing the control factor. I started seeing, wait a minute, you aren't going to tell me what to do."

On Friday, Sheffield said he doesn't speak with Bonds.

"We don't have no communication," Sheffield said. "I love and respect Barry to this day. I had a problem with him at that time, but I moved on and forgave."

Sheffield reportedly began the interview by saying: "I tell myself every offseason I'm not going to say anything crazy. I'm just going to have a peaceful season ... Can't do it. I'm cut from a different cloth."

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report

i wonder if bonds actually didn't know what he was using.
is it realistic to think that bonds might have thought he was bending the rules but not breaking them.
or if he suspected he didn't want to know
"ignorance is bliss"

if its the former then he might not be guilty of what he did
if he's truely resting on the "igonorance is bliss" defense then he's guilty as hell,
just like shawn merriman, but that didn't stop the NFL in awarding him defensive rookie of the year.

which
is the point
talent is talent
if anyone could get burned for having his performance enhanced it would be a defensive football player who uses speed and strength to rack up stats.
yet
he's rewarded and idolized.
as hank put last night, it takes skill to hit a homerun,
steriods don't give you that.
berry's record is clean as a whistle.

[fred da warrior]

i wonder if bonds actually didn't know what he was using.
is it realistic to think that bonds might have thought he was bending the rules but not breaking them.
or if he suspected he didn't want to know
"ignorance is bliss"

if its the former then he might not be guilty of what he did
if he's truely resting on the "igonorance is bliss" defense then he's guilty as hell,
just like shawn merriman, but that didn't stop the NFL in awarding him defensive rookie of the year.

which
is the point
talent is talent
if anyone could get burned for having his performance enhanced it would be a defensive football player who uses speed and strength to rack up stats.
yet
he's rewarded and idolized.
as hank put last night, it takes skill to hit a homerun,
steriods don't give you that.
berry's record is clean as a whistle.

Nobody cares about "cheating" in football because of GAMBLING, yet some of the same people want to talk out of the other side of their mouth about "purity" in baseball and hallowed records.......it's hypocrisy all the way around

[kaaos]

as hank put last night, it takes skill to hit a homerun,
steriods don't give you that.
berry's record is clean as a whistle.

steriods gives you a lil more power. now those warning track pop outs are upper deck Home Runs. yes it takes skill to hit the ball but a lil more power adds to the HR total

[Armento]

[kaaos]

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lol these machines are on roids

cheater

[Johnnie Mo]

hate on barry all you want, but @ the end of the day he still has the homerun record and more money than you broke azz haterz will eva have!!

[kaaos]

hate on barry all you want, but @ the end of the day he still has the homerun record and more money than you broke azz haterz will eva have!!

BARRY = *

[Johnnie Mo]

BARRY = *

Yea but look up that record in the history books for the rest of your life and it'll be there patna oh and he will still have more money than you will eva make in your life that

[kaaos]

Yea but look up that record in the history books for the rest of your life and it'll be there patna oh and he will still have more money than you will eva make in your life that

that brings up a good point. IF (and I do mean IF) If barry gets busted for roids, will baseball erase the books?

and when and IF A-Rod breaks the record does Barry show up to that game when he does?

[Moksha]

If reports are true, 50-90% of players from the past 15 years have used some sort of steroids.

You want to put asterix's next to all their names?!?!?

[djmarbll]

In addition to that, I wonder how many pitchers Barry has hit off of were juicing. They're known as the greatest offenders, moreso than a few home run hitters.

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that brings up a good point. IF (and I do mean IF) If barry gets busted for roids, will baseball erase the books?

and when and IF A-Rod breaks the record does Barry show up to that game when he does?

you speak of a-rod as if he's completely pure and innocent. guess again bucko!!!

already the light of suspicion is being cast on mr. rodriguez

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nat...e-canseco.html

[djmarbll]

If reports are true, 50-90% of players from the past 15 years have used some sort of steroids.

You want to put asterix's next to all their names?!?!?

Exactly. We need to put an asterisk next to Major League Baseball stats the last 15 years. It points back to the commissioner, who let it happen. If Bonds gets an asterisk, then so does Bud Selig and all the owners, who probably knew their guys were juicing, but didn't say anything because they were selling out stadiums. Yet they wanna go after Bonds. Baseball is the most hypocritical of all the three major sports.

[CalvinInTheMixMorgan]

Exactly. We need to put an asterisk next to Major League Baseball stats the last 15 years. It points back to the commissioner, who let it happen. If Bonds gets an asterisk, then so does Bud Selig and all the owners, who probably knew their guys were juicing, but didn't say anything because they were selling out stadiums. Yet they wanna go after Bonds. Baseball is the most hypocritical of all the three major sports.

I stand here with my hands up in the air, you know like the folks in church, thank ya, thank ya, speak the truth. Barry has the record, Barry has the loot, it is what it is. As far a A-Rod even reaching the record, don't think so, but if he does, more power to him.

[P-Flipp]

New York Post`s unbiased opinion of Bond`s accomplishment!

[Fletch]

New York Post`s unbiased opinion of Bond`s accomplishment!

Man, both papers were off the chain yesterday!

[RAS]

New York Post`s unbiased opinion of Bond`s accomplishment!

Thanks, bruh!

[kaaos]

New York Post`s unbiased opinion of Bond`s accomplishment!

hahahhaha

[RAS]

757!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

[kaaos]

In this excerpt from GAME OF SHADOWS by Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams, the statistical transformation of Barry Bonds after he began steroid use is detailed.
* * *
The transformation that Barry Bonds achieved through the use of
performance-enhancing drugs is reflected in his batting statistics.
Bonds began using steroids before the start of the 1999 season, when
he was 34 years old. His numbers, as compiled by baseball-reference.com,
show that his performance improved dramatically at a time when otherwise
he might have been approaching the end of his career.

Of the five best offensive seasons in Bonds' career, four came after
he was 35 years old - and after 1999, the year he began using steroids.
The historic 2001 season, when he was 36 years old (his age as of
Opening Day), was the best of all - .328 batting average, 73 home runs,
an on-base percentage of .515. But 2002, when he was 37 (.370, 46 HR)
and 2004, when he was 39, (.362, 45 HR) also were excellent seasons for
Bonds, and 2003, when he was 38, was not far off the mark.

In fact, of Bonds' five best seasons, only one came in what is usually
considered a baseball player's prime. That was 1993, before steroids,
when Bonds was 28 years old and playing his first season for the Giants.

Year Age AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG
2001 36 476 129 156 32 2 73 137 177 93 .328 .515 .863
2002 37 403 117 149 31 2 46 110 198 47 .370 .582 .799
2004 39 373 129 135 27 3 45 101 232 41 .362 .609 .812
1993 28 539 129 181 38 4 46 123 126 79 .336 .458 .677
2003 38 390 111 133 22 1 45 90 148 58 .341 .529 .749

Bonds' home run production also increased after he began using steroids.
In his 19-year career (through 2004), Bonds hit 45 or more home runs in
six seasons. Five of those seasons were after 1999 - after age 35, and
after he had begun using performance-enhancing drugs.

Year Age HR
2001 36 73
2000 35 49
2002 37 46
1993 28 46
2004 39 45
2003 38 45

Another measure of Bonds' power surge is home run frequency - the number
of at-bats it took him, on average, to hit each home run. Over the first
13 years of his career - that is, before steroids - he hit a home run
every 16.2 at-bats. His most productive year during that period was 1994,
when he hit a home run every 10.6 at-bats. (Bonds played in 112 of the
Giants' 115 games in 1994, the season that ended in a lockout. He hit 37
home runs in 391 at-bats.)

From 1999 through 2004 - after steroids - the frequency with which Bonds
struck homers nearly doubled, to one every 8.5 at-bats. His best year was
2001, when he hit a home run every 6.5 at-bats.

YR AB/HR
1986 25.8
1987 22.0
1988 22.4
1989 30.5
1990 15.7
1991 20.4
1992 13.9
1993 11.7
1994 10.6
1995 15.3
1996 12.3
1997 13.3
1998 14.9
1999 10.4
2000 9.8
2001 6.5
2002 8.8
2003 8.7
2004 8.3

Before steroids, Bonds was an outstanding player and a likely Hall
of Famer, the numbers affirm. In more than 6,600 at-bats over 13
seasons, he batted .290 and hit 411 homers with 1,216 RBIs. He made
the All-Star team eight times and was selected the National League's
Most Valuable Player in 1990, 1992 and 1993. Had he retired after the
1998 season, he would rank 40th on the all-time home run list, above
Duke Snider. His 1,357 walks would rank 28th.

Using a mathematical average to roll those 13 seasons into a single year,
we see that Bonds, before steroids, hit for average and power and was an
excellent base runner. The composite Bonds year during that period looks
like this:

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP
86-98 146 509 105 147 31 5 32 93 34 10 104 81 .290 .411

But after age 35 - after steroids - Bonds improved his game in most
categories. From 1999 to 2004, he had far better power and drove in and
scored more runs. His batting average increased by an astonishing 38
points, and his on-base percentage soared because of a big increase in
his walk total, which already was high.

At what should have been the end of his baseball career, Bonds became a
significantly better hitter than earlier in his career, as a composite
of those years shows.

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP
99-04 136 413 118 136 27 2 49 105 10 2 158 63 .328 .517

The post-steroids Bonds also became one of the greatest hitters of all time.
Lee Sinins, creator of the Sabermetric Baseball Encyclopedia, used
statistician Bill James' "runs created" formula, a measure of total
batting production, to determine the best offensive performances in
baseball history. As Sinins ran the numbers, Bonds' 73-homer year in
2001 was the second-best offensive season any player has ever had -
second only to Babe Ruth's 1921 season, when the New York Yankees star hit
.378 with 171 RBI.

Year Age AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP RC
RUTH 1921 26 540 177 204 44 16 59 171 145 81 .378 .512 243
BONDS 2001 36 476 129 156 32 2 73 137 177 93 .328 .515 228

Three of Bonds' post-steroids seasons were among the top 10 in baseball
history, according to Sinins' list. Only Ruth had more, with five top-10
seasons.

# Name Year Age Tm BA HR RBI RC
1 RUTH 1921 26 NYY .378 59 171 243
2 BONDS 2001 36 SFG .328 73 137 228
3 RUTH 1923 28 NYY .393 41 131 227
4 RUTH 1920 25 NYY .376 54 137 216
5 GEHRIG 1927 24 NYY .373 47 175 215
6 RUTH 1927 32 NYY .356 60 164 211
6 FOXX 1932 24 PHA .364 58 169 211
8 RUTH 1924 29 NYY .378 46 121 209
9 BONDS 2002 37 SFG .370 46 110 206
10 BONDS 2004 39 SFG .362 45 101 204
10 GEHRIG 1936 33 NYY .354 49 152 204
10 HORNSBY 1922 26 STL .401 42 152 204

Sinins' study also underscores the fact that in baseball terms,
Bonds was an old man when he emerged as one of the greats of the game.

Bonds was 36 when he had his 73-home run season, the first of three seasons
that rank in the top 10; he was 39 in 2004, which Sinins puts as 10th best
of all time, tied with Lou Gehrig's 1936 season for the Yankees and Rogers
Hornsby's efforts for the 1922 Cardinals.

No player was older than 33 when he performed at this high level. (Gehrig was
33 in 1936.) Ruth was 26 in 1921, which Sinins rates as the best season of all
time. The average age of the other players on the top-10 seasons list - along
with Ruth, Gehrig and Hornsby, there is Jimmie Foxx, the old-time Philadelphia
Athletic - was 27.

Yet another measure of Bonds' late-in-life power surge: By the end of 2005,
he had hit more home runs after age 35 than any of the game's great sluggers:

HR 35&UP Total HR %
BONDS 263 708 37
AARON 245 755 32
PALMEIRO 208 569 37
RUTH 198 714 28
JACKSON 153 563 27
MCCOVEY 137 521 26
MCGWIRE 126 583 22
MURRAY 125 504 25
SCHMIDT 123 548 22
MAYS 118 660 18
ROBINSON 111 586 19
BANKS 108 512 21
WILLIAMS 103 521 20
KILLEBREW 86 573 15
SOSA 49 588 8
OTT 48 511 9
MANTLE 40 536 7
MATTHEWS 19 512 4
FOXX 7 534 1

Sean Forman, proprietor of baseball-reference.com, used a different statistic
to track Bonds' power surge after 1999. In a study done in 2004 for The
Chronicle, he applied a measure of offensive performance called OPS, for
on-base percentage plus slugging percentage, to compare Bonds to other great
hitters.

Forman's conclusion: Starting in 2000, after Bonds had recovered from a 1999
elbow injury, he put together the greatest five consecutive seasons of any
hitter in baseball history. During that stretch, when he was age 35 to 39,
Bonds batted .339, hit 258 homers and drove in 544 runs, with an OPS of 1.316.
His performance was slightly better than what the study showed was the
second-best five-year run of all time: Babe Ruth's first five years with the
Yankees. From age 25 to 29, Ruth hit .370 with 235 homeruns, 659 runs batted in,
and an OPS of 1.288. No other players in baseball history came close, the study
found.

From GAME OF SHADOWS by Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams. Reprinted by
arrangement with Gotham Books, a member of Penguin Group (USA), Inc.
Copyright, c 2006 by Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams.

The book goes on sale March 27.

[Dolemite73]

Very good empirical data. Stats don't lie. Bonds was juicing. Point blank.

[Johnnie Mo]

juicing or milking he still has the record, ain't a damn thing anybody can do about it oh and while you're @ it why don't you look up a-rod's hr stats as well, since bonds was @ 360 @ 32yrs old while a-rod is @500 homeruns

[kaaos]

juicing or milking he still has the record, ain't a damn thing anybody can do about it oh and while you're @ it why don't you look up a-rod's hr stats as well, since bonds was @ 360 @ 32yrs old while a-rod is @500 homeruns

a-rod on roids...would not surprise me