Police use rubber bullets against protesters...

[SHEIK YERBOUTI]

OAKLAND, Calif. (Reuters) - Oakland police fired rubber bullets and wooden pellets on Monday to disperse hundreds of anti-war protesters in what was believed to be the first such use against U.S. protesters since the American-led war on Iraq began.

Demonstrators were seeking to block access to American President Lines, a shipping company they claimed was profiting from the war in Iraq when said they used the pellets and bullets to disperse about 750 protesters.

Several people were injured, including some who suffered large bruises. One man lifted up his shirt to show a welt about the size of a baseball.

"We gave our dispersal order, we gave them an order, we gave them ample time to disperse," said Oakland Police spokeswoman Danielle Ashford. "When we give our dispersal order, that's pretty much it. (If) there are safety issues involved, that's when we step in."

The anti-war demonstrators carried signs including "Shut down the war makers."

The action is believed to be the first police use of anti-crowd munitions against U.S. demonstrators since President Bush launched a war aimed at toppling Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

Police continued to fire upon a group of about 150 protesters that remained in mid-morning after the initial burst of rubber bullets broke up most of the crowd. Police arrested at least a dozen demonstrators in Oakland.

San Francisco police detained about 18 protesters at the Federal Building in a separate demonstration. Several people were also reported to be blocking one of the city's main highways.

Anti-war activists in the San Francisco area said they were resuming protest actions on Monday after a period of relative quiet in a city famous for its history of dissent. Police arrested more than 2,000 people in San Francisco in the first two days of the war.

Also on Monday, New York police arrested several dozen people who blocked the entrance to the Manhattan building of the Carlyle Group, a firm which has a stake in the defense industry.

Up to three hundred people chanted: "Carlyle gets fat on war" outside the offices of the $14 billion investment group.

Police said about two or three dozen demonstrators were arrested outside the 5th Avenue building and charged with disorderly conduct.

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Good, Phuck Protesters

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[lola desire]

great. soon they'll be locking people up for buttering the wrong side of the bread.


A cautionary Cold War tale (first told by Dr. Seuss back in 1984), The Butter Battle Book still has a lot to teach about intolerance and how tit-for-tat violence can quickly get out of hand. Explaining the very serious differences between the Zooks and the Yooks, a Zook grandpa tells his grandchild the unspeakable truth: "It's high time that you knew of the terribly horrible thing that Zooks do.

[The Donger]

people are still protesting?

the war's already over...

[daniel]

Pow!

[floorgasm]

they're trying to pass a law in oregon that makes blocking a street or a building during a protest a crime of terrorism subject to 20 years in prison.

[SHEIK YERBOUTI]

Originally posted by floorgasm:
they're trying to pass a law in oregon that makes blocking a street or a building during a protest a crime of terrorism subject to 20 years in prison.

I heard about that. That scares me. Does anyone think they're gonna differentiate between wartime protests and any other type of protest later on? Fascism's coming. Big time.

[ April 07, 2003, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: toomuchtv ]

[Hk]

They seem to be the people smart enough
to know the aboding doom that we're about
to face in the wake of this shit!

I wonder do they have insurance policies for
countries nowadays.....?

My next poem is designed to blast those wanna
be intergrationists Negroes who are still trying
to prove to Uncle Sham that their patriotic by SIGNING UP to fight in his war!

[dVine]

wow, how threatening. laws against dissent being supported by a group of retards.

[mhd]

Originally posted by toomuchtv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by floorgasm:
they're trying to pass a law in oregon that makes blocking a street or a building during a protest a crime of terrorism subject to 20 years in prison.

I heard about that. That scares me. Does anyone think they're gonna differentiate between wartime protests and any other type of protest later on? Fascism's coming. Big time. </font>[/QUOTE]its already here

[RuralStu]

America - the land of the free!

They ought to use water cannons to disperse crowds, people will still get injured...but rubber bullets can kill....thus creating new enemies of the state.

regards

stu

[Jacques de Doozu]

Originally posted by toomuchtv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by floorgasm:
they're trying to pass a law in oregon that makes blocking a street or a building during a protest a crime of terrorism subject to 20 years in prison.

I heard about that. That scares me. Does anyone think they're gonna differentiate between wartime protests and any other type of protest later on? Fascism's coming. Big time. </font>[/QUOTE]it's always been here, but it was disguised.only the moment people start to realise it's presence, those who maintain the power (that's what it's all about, not fascism, communism, religious power,...) will try to maintain it. bu then again they disguise it under 'safety measures'...
freedom has never included a greater paradox then now.
i'm sorry for my bad english, i would like to express myself better.

[Basecore Boy]

Trying to send our troops supplies and you want to stop them. Shame Shame Shame

I wish I was there to kick some protest ass. They need supplies. I'm starting to think most protestors don't have much of a life.

[O'love]

provision to do what? let me tell you, this will be another "osama" action.... they won't kill or capture Saddam, and i will not even be surprised if they won't even find any weapons of massdestruction....but noeone seems to care anymore it seems what the official reasons where to invade Iraq with UN support.... it's so easy to fool all the sheep with CNN, fox etc. with who do you think all those hospitals in iraq are filled? not with military people i can tell you.... but with "liberated" iraqi civilians..."liberated" from their legs, children, arms, family members......

Olaf

[ April 08, 2003, 08:28 AM: Message edited by: O'love ]

[lola desire]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
Trying to send our troops supplies and you want to stop them. Shame Shame Shame

I wish I was there to kick some protest ass. They need supplies. I'm starting to think most protestors don't have much of a life.

why do the anti-protestor people always ASS-U-ME that the protestors are for the other side, in this case "saddam sympathizers" or "anti-u.s. troops". what a crock of sh*t.

no war has ever or will ever bring about peace. war will not bring about national security.
war will not make little johnny or suzy feel cozier about going out to play.

this war is making the u.s. look like the the beast that the "enemy" claims it is. every bomb droped fuels the hatred for the u.s.; this situation does not ensure safety or freedom for anyone.

war is so archaic. all nations on this earth need to put the arms down and step away from violence and warfare and step toward seeing about real peace, understanding, and tolerance.

[Basecore Boy]

I heard this argument many times and people need to watch what is going on. The people of Irag are now starting to cheer us for being there. I can't believe how people on this board don't get it. The regime there is ruling with fear, the people are scared to even say his name (SADDAM). No food, No water. I guess most people don't care about people in that region. You have food and water and this is a gift from God. The minister of defense is funny too. We still own the airfields. You may still own them, but we are in charge now. Lies and more lies. Some people here need to join the Faydeen. Even if we take the oil, the people there will still live better than they are now.

[O'love]

no water and food..do you know where that came from? exactly....the US/UK invasion in iraq..... you're really naive if you think that food and water weren't available before the invasion...

furthermore: take a look at afghanistan and see how much better the people are living after they're "liberated"

[Basecore Boy]

Just listen to the people of Irag. They are speaking out now. Saddam cut the water and food supply to some cities, because this is how he controls his people. Damn, I can't believe you said that. Scared because the truth is starting to come out.

[lola desire]

Originally posted by O'love:
no water and food..do you know where that came from? exactly....the US/UK invasion in iraq..... you're really naive if you think that food and water weren't available before the invasion...

furthermore: take a look at afghanistan and see how much better the people are living after they're "liberated"

his main resource:tv coverage of the war... nuff said.

[lola desire]

[Basecore Boy]

Stop saying everytime someone doesn't argree with you he watches fox news. So, far from the mark.

[O'love]

you need to watch 20 television channels, read 20 newspapers, read 20 internet-sites and still you don't know shit about the truth....... if you really think you know what's happening out there while you sit here behind your computer you're even more naive than i thought...

you need a reality check... of course the iraqi people want to be free of a dictator like saddam, but at what cost? ask yourself... after the US screwed all the iraqi people over the last time they asked for a revolution the iraqi people are not stupid anymore to fight your economic war..they just hope not to be killed/wounded and get some clean water and food for their families..

Olaf

[Basecore Boy]

Originally posted by O'love:
you need to watch 20 television channels, read 20 newspapers, read 20 internet-sites and still you don't know shit about the truth....... if you really think you know what's happening out there while you sit here behind your computer you're even more naive than i thought...

you need a reality check... of course the iraqi people want to be free of a dictator like saddam, but at what cost? ask yourself... after the US screwed all the iraqi people over the last time they asked for a revolution the iraqi people are not stupid anymore to fight your economic war..they just hope not to be killed/wounded and get some clean water and food for their families..

Olaf

So, tell me what should we do?

[Jacques de Doozu]

why do the anti-protestor people always ASS-U-ME that the protestors are for the other side, in this case "saddam sympathizers" or "anti-u.s. troops". what a crock of sh*t.

this is correct. in any conflict there are always three parties. in this one it's (bluntly said) america, iraq, and the third party is the most dangerous one: those who refuse to participate. people who protest, belong mostly to this third party. they are considered 'dangerous' because they confront both parties with the fact that the absolute 'truth' they are fighting for is nothing but a lie. george bush and his puppets fight for 'freedom', this is said to be the ultimate goal, the destination of the war. this is supposed to prevail in the end.
the thing is: it won't. there has never been one war where the goal or intent is reached. there are only two options: or one party loses, and the other one wins, or both parties give up fighting.
both camps always try to use propaganda to convice the third party to join them. most of the time this also fails, and they refuse to confirm. sometimes it appears to work though...

[O'love]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by O'love:
you need to watch 20 television channels, read 20 newspapers, read 20 internet-sites and still you don't know shit about the truth....... if you really think you know what's happening out there while you sit here behind your computer you're even more naive than i thought...

you need a reality check... of course the iraqi people want to be free of a dictator like saddam, but at what cost? ask yourself... after the US screwed all the iraqi people over the last time they asked for a revolution the iraqi people are not stupid anymore to fight your economic war..they just hope not to be killed/wounded and get some clean water and food for their families..

Olaf

So, tell me what should we do? </font>[/QUOTE]DON'T start bombing a country and killing civilians in the process without a valid reason and thus UN consensus...it's as simple as that..... there are plenty of countries where the people are in the same (or worse) conditions as in iraq, why doesn't the US army go there and act as the policeman of the world? who gives your gouvernment the right to decide who's right and who's wrong, who's evil and who's good? I suspect Bush *really* thinks he's on a mission from God... middle-ages crusades again..... let countries either clean up their own trouble internally, or do it with the consensus of the UN...the UN isn't founded for nothing....

Olaf