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    What will the "Religious" say now? Mummified Dinosaur

    Mummified dinosaur may have outrun T Rex


    By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, AP Science WriterMon Dec 3, 5:52 PM ET

    One of the most complete dinosaur mummies ever found is revealing secrets locked away for millions of years, bringing researchers as close as they will ever get to touching a live dino.

    The fossilized duckbilled hadrosaur is so well preserved that scientists have been able to calculate its muscle mass and learn that it was more muscular than thought, probably giving it the ability to outrun predators such as T. rex.

    While they call it a mummy, the dinosaur is not really preserved like King Tut was. The dinosaur body has been fossilized into stone. Unlike the collections of bones found in museums, this hadrosaur came complete with skin, ligaments, tendons and possibly some internal organs, according to researchers.

    The study is not yet complete, but scientists have concluded that hadrosaurs were bigger — 3 1/2 tons and up to 40 feet long — and stronger than had been known, were quick and flexible and had skin with scales that may have been striped.

    "Oh, the skin is wonderful," paleontologist Phillip Manning of Manchester University in England rhapsodized, admitting to a "glazed look in my eye."

    "It's unbelievable when you look at it for the first time," he said in a telephone interview. "There is depth and structure to the skin. The level of detail expressed in the skin is just breathtaking."

    Manning said there is a pattern of banding to the larger and smaller scales on the skin. Because it has been fossilized researchers do not know the skin color. Looking at it in monochrome shows a striped pattern.

    He notes that in modern reptiles, such a pattern is often associated with color change.

    The fossil was found in 1999 in North Dakota and now is nicknamed "Dakota." It is being analyzed in the world's largest CT scanner, operated by the Boeing Co. The machine usually is used for space shuttle engines and other large objects. Researchers hope the technology will help them learn more about the fossilized insides of the creature.

    "It's a definite case of watch this space," Manning said. "We are trying to be very conservative, very careful."

    But they have learned enough so far to produce two books and a television program. The TV special, "Dino Autopsy," will air on the National Geographic channel Dec. 9. National Geographic Society partly funded the research.

    A children's book, "DinoMummy: The Life, Death, and Discovery of Dakota, a Dinosaur From Hell Creek," goes on sale Tuesday and an adult book, "Grave Secrets of Dinosaurs: Soft Tissues and Hard Science," will be available in January.

    Soft parts of dead animals normally decompose rapidly after death. Because of chemical conditions where this animal died, fossilization — replacement of tissues by minerals — took place faster than the decomposition, leaving mineralized portions of the tissue.

    That does not mean DNA, the building blocks of life, can be recovered, Manning said. Some has been recovered from frozen mammoths up to 1 million years old, he said. At the age of this dinosaur, 65 million to 67 million years old, "the chance of finding DNA is remote," he said.

    A Manchester colleague, Roy Wogelius, who also worked on the dinosaur, said "one thing that we are very confident of is that we do have some organic molecular breakdown products present." That look at chemicals associated with the animal is still research in progress.

    Matthew Carrano, a paleontologist at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History, said he could not comment in detail about the find because he had not seen the research. But, he added, "Any time we can get a glimpse of the soft anatomy of a dinosaur, that's significant."

    The findings from Dakota may cause museums to rethink their dinosaur displays.

    Most dinosaur skeletons in museums, for example, show the vertebrae right next to one another. The researchers looking at Dakota found a gap of about a centimeter — about 0.4 inch — between each one.

    That indicates there may have been a disk or other material between them, allowing more flexibility and meaning the animal was actually longer than what is shown in a museum. On large animals, adding the space could make them a yard longer or more, Manning said.

    Because ligaments and tendons were preserved, as well as other parts of Dakota, researchers could to calculate its muscle mass, showing it was stronger and potentially faster than had been known.

    They estimated the hadrosaur's top speed at about 28 miles per hour, 10 mph faster than the giant T. Rex is thought to have been able to run.

    "It's very logical, though, that a hadrosaur could run faster than a T. rex. It's a major prey animal and it doesn't have big horns on its head like triceratops. Hadrosaurs didn't have much in the way of defense systems, so they probably relied on fleet of foot," Manning said.

    Dakota was discovered by Tyler Lyson, then a teenager who liked hunting for fossils on his family ranch. Lyson, who is currently working on his doctorate degree in paleontology at Yale University, founded the Marmarth Research Foundation, an organization dedicated to the excavation, preservation and study of dinosaurs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand View Post
    Mummified dinosaur may have outrun T Rex


    By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, AP Science WriterMon Dec 3, 5:52 PM ET

    One of the most complete dinosaur mummies ever found is revealing secrets locked away for millions of years, bringing researchers as close as they will ever get to touching a live dino.

    The fossilized duckbilled hadrosaur is so well preserved that scientists have been able to calculate its muscle mass and learn that it was more muscular than thought, probably giving it the ability to outrun predators such as T. rex.

    While they call it a mummy, the dinosaur is not really preserved like King Tut was. The dinosaur body has been fossilized into stone. Unlike the collections of bones found in museums, this hadrosaur came complete with skin, ligaments, tendons and possibly some internal organs, according to researchers.

    The study is not yet complete, but scientists have concluded that hadrosaurs were bigger — 3 1/2 tons and up to 40 feet long — and stronger than had been known, were quick and flexible and had skin with scales that may have been striped.

    "Oh, the skin is wonderful," paleontologist Phillip Manning of Manchester University in England rhapsodized, admitting to a "glazed look in my eye."

    "It's unbelievable when you look at it for the first time," he said in a telephone interview. "There is depth and structure to the skin. The level of detail expressed in the skin is just breathtaking."

    Manning said there is a pattern of banding to the larger and smaller scales on the skin. Because it has been fossilized researchers do not know the skin color. Looking at it in monochrome shows a striped pattern.

    He notes that in modern reptiles, such a pattern is often associated with color change.

    The fossil was found in 1999 in North Dakota and now is nicknamed "Dakota." It is being analyzed in the world's largest CT scanner, operated by the Boeing Co. The machine usually is used for space shuttle engines and other large objects. Researchers hope the technology will help them learn more about the fossilized insides of the creature.

    "It's a definite case of watch this space," Manning said. "We are trying to be very conservative, very careful."

    But they have learned enough so far to produce two books and a television program. The TV special, "Dino Autopsy," will air on the National Geographic channel Dec. 9. National Geographic Society partly funded the research.

    A children's book, "DinoMummy: The Life, Death, and Discovery of Dakota, a Dinosaur From Hell Creek," goes on sale Tuesday and an adult book, "Grave Secrets of Dinosaurs: Soft Tissues and Hard Science," will be available in January.

    Soft parts of dead animals normally decompose rapidly after death. Because of chemical conditions where this animal died, fossilization — replacement of tissues by minerals — took place faster than the decomposition, leaving mineralized portions of the tissue.

    That does not mean DNA, the building blocks of life, can be recovered, Manning said. Some has been recovered from frozen mammoths up to 1 million years old, he said. At the age of this dinosaur, 65 million to 67 million years old, "the chance of finding DNA is remote," he said.

    A Manchester colleague, Roy Wogelius, who also worked on the dinosaur, said "one thing that we are very confident of is that we do have some organic molecular breakdown products present." That look at chemicals associated with the animal is still research in progress.

    Matthew Carrano, a paleontologist at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History, said he could not comment in detail about the find because he had not seen the research. But, he added, "Any time we can get a glimpse of the soft anatomy of a dinosaur, that's significant."

    The findings from Dakota may cause museums to rethink their dinosaur displays.

    Most dinosaur skeletons in museums, for example, show the vertebrae right next to one another. The researchers looking at Dakota found a gap of about a centimeter — about 0.4 inch — between each one.

    That indicates there may have been a disk or other material between them, allowing more flexibility and meaning the animal was actually longer than what is shown in a museum. On large animals, adding the space could make them a yard longer or more, Manning said.

    Because ligaments and tendons were preserved, as well as other parts of Dakota, researchers could to calculate its muscle mass, showing it was stronger and potentially faster than had been known.

    They estimated the hadrosaur's top speed at about 28 miles per hour, 10 mph faster than the giant T. Rex is thought to have been able to run.

    "It's very logical, though, that a hadrosaur could run faster than a T. rex. It's a major prey animal and it doesn't have big horns on its head like triceratops. Hadrosaurs didn't have much in the way of defense systems, so they probably relied on fleet of foot," Manning said.

    Dakota was discovered by Tyler Lyson, then a teenager who liked hunting for fossils on his family ranch. Lyson, who is currently working on his doctorate degree in paleontology at Yale University, founded the Marmarth Research Foundation, an organization dedicated to the excavation, preservation and study of dinosaurs.

    i ws reading this this morning Diva. Dinosaurs did indeed exist BEFORE MAN as did plantlife, protozoans ect ect ect..... then came along man.

    At some point Religious Afficianados and Zealots are going to have to deal with the fact that man is an animal *first* and the deification of one man *i.e Jesus* does not remove the existence of life before man.

    Why can man be both divine AND human. Why can we be spiritual beings who evolved as all life has.

    shyt based on how the animan kingdom exists vs mankind... Im more apt to say I decended from animals than angels. At leat the animal kingdom is consistent and logical....

    great post mama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KBig View Post
    i ws reading this this morning Diva. Dinosaurs did indeed exist BEFORE MAN as did plantlife, protozoans ect ect ect..... then came along man.

    At some point Religious Afficianados and Zealots are going to have to deal with the fact that man is an animal *first* and the deification of one man *i.e Jesus* does not remove the existence of life before man.

    Why can man be both divine AND human. Why can we be spiritual beings who evolved as all life has.

    shyt based on how the animan kingdom exists vs mankind... Im more apt to say I decended from animals than angels. At leat the animal kingdom is consistent and logical....

    great post mama.
    Actually there may have been people before Adam and Eve. There is a whole lot more that folk won't believe
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    "Dakota" is hard proof that this 10000 year old Christian Story is a LIE! Plus, Dino was found in the good old U.S.A. in 1999 no doubt (the year the world was to end).

    How does the book of Genisis go (((all was created and man was given - Blah Blah Blah))) I already said the Adam & Eve story was crap - just out of the numbers fact. No way can 2 people generate enough children that can reproduce within their own family and create the multitude of people that exist during the time of Sodom and Gamora, let alone Moses.


    But wait, theres more...Noah took a small group and the world was flooded right? All were killed right? They lived and repopulated the earth...that dog don't hunt.


    Ain't done yet....examine the Jesus story (a man that was hebrew but the letter J is not in the hebrew alphabit) Noah did not have enough passengers to reproduce the multitude on people in existance during the time of Jesus, hmm.

    Going back to the reality of it all, inbreeding causes physical and mental deformaties - which is fact today.

    I am glad that Dakota is being reserched and prensented to children, bout time they were given reality of the past instead of going back 10,000 years as the bible dates.

    I can see the Holy Rollers Now "All of that talk is the Devil trying to tear apart the truth that God put here for Us. The bible speaks of days like this!"

    Hell yea it does because if it didn't, that would be a means to a end. Whoever wrote the book saw that much and the Bible is as valid as Greek Mythology...it's MYTH!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY View Post

    I can see the Holy Rollers Now "All of that talk is the Devil trying to tear apart the truth that God put here for Us. The bible speaks of DAYS LIKE THIS!" - Kenny Lattimore 3:18
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    jesus's actual name was 'yeshua' or 'Yashua'. Not a lot of people know dat. You is right about there being no 'J' in the Hebrew alphabet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Studio Sessions View Post
    wow.....

    Oh yea partner, this thread is gonna get better as time goes on and in the words of Paul Mooney "I don't have to defend the truth, the truth defends itself".
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    Imagine the stories they would tell if dinosaurs knew how to write a book? Maybe the saw how the earth was made? Anyway, all this don't mean anything to anyone unless you want to proove a point on what you believe in and to piss someone off. BTW Leonard, Mundacaism is gonna hunt you down! LOL!

    Please do continue to beat this dead horse. This is like saying that french fries can make you extremely fat. All of a sudden a study comes out that french fries are healthy after all. Oh how about smoking is healthy after all. Believe what you want.

    BTW North america was never mentioned in the bible either does that make us none existant(sp?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by V-ROD View Post
    Imagine the stories they would tell if dinosaurs knew how to write a book? Maybe the saw how the earth was made? Anyway, all this don't mean anything to anyone unless you want to proove a point on what you believe in and to piss someone off. BTW Leonard, Mundacaism is gonna hunt you down! LOL!

    Please do continue to beat this dead horse. This is like saying that french fries can make you extremely fat. All of a sudden a study comes out that french fries are healthy after all. Oh how about smoking is healthy after all. Believe what you want.

    BTW North america was never mentioned in the bible either does that make us none existant(sp?).
    if the earth was being made, there would not yet be dinosaurs to see that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Conrad View Post
    if the earth was being made, there would not yet be dinosaurs to see that...

    What happen was, while the earth was made the dinosaurs was eating Earth faster than it grew so they had to go and Earth2.0 begain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY View Post
    What happen was, while the earth was made the dinosaurs was eating Earth faster than it grew so they had to go and Earth2.0 begain.
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    Oh goodness! I was waiting for someone to pop a picture like this up! LOL!!! Going to hell....Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
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    are there peeps on this board who believe in all that is written in the bible ??..adam and eve... and like god made the planet and the devil makes us do bad things and we will go to hell when we die if we dont follow along in that religion stuff....???
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ_Francesca View Post
    are there peeps on this board who believe in all that is written in the bible ??..adam and eve... and like god made the planet and the devil makes us do bad things and we will go to hell when we die if we dont follow along in that religion stuff....???
    Equal to all the Heaven / Hell crap, I add this picture,
    it makes just as much sense as of giving YOUR money to Rev. Bling Bling.
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    hooorayyyy evolution!

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    I have yet to truly understand why WE haven't been able to have these concepts coexist with one another! Okay, there was a big bang. Who made the big bang?!?!? GOD! So we evolved from the primordial soup. Who made the soup?!?! GOD! Would it make sense for the Bible or any other religious document to start with the soup or simply state that a man and a woman appeared?

    I don't know. I'm not a religious expert nor am I an expert on the theory of evolution, but I have to believe that there's a possibility of coexistence and confluence of these ideas.
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    Damn interesting cant wait to see the show and i dont know what to believe in anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dj Izm View Post
    I have yet to truly understand why WE haven't been able to have these concepts coexist with one another! Okay, there was a big bang. Who made the big bang?!?!? GOD! So we evolved from the primordial soup. Who made the soup?!?! GOD! Would it make sense for the Bible or any other religious document to start with the soup or simply state that a man and a woman appeared?

    I don't know. I'm not a religious expert nor am I an expert on the theory of evolution, but I have to believe that there's a possibility of coexistence and confluence of these ideas.

    god sounds like a chemical reaction....which i'd be entirely fine with. no gender, no racial association, etc etc


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    You guys are going to awaken Mundaca and Rodney and all hell(pun intended) is going to break loose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dj Izm View Post
    I have yet to truly understand why WE haven't been able to have these concepts coexist with one another! Okay, there was a big bang. Who made the big bang?!?!? GOD! So we evolved from the primordial soup. Who made the soup?!?! GOD! Would it make sense for the Bible or any other religious document to start with the soup or simply state that a man and a woman appeared?

    I don't know. I'm not a religious expert nor am I an expert on the theory of evolution, but I have to believe that there's a possibility of coexistence and confluence of these ideas.
    Supreme Being / God is believable due to a lack of explanation

    The Bible - unbelievable and MAN had the ability to write way before the bible was written.

    On that note...I am in Iraq right, this is very close to the biblical land where all of this Bible stuff occured. Why is it that CHRISTIANY (s/p) is not the religon that is followed in this region of the world and the book of choice is the Quran (s/p) not the bible - This is the region where all the stories in the bible took place right? But there is no evidence of it nor do the people in the region honor what we in the western world as truth?

    Sound like the western world trying to tell the Eastern world their business and history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nige55 View Post
    jesus's actual name was 'yeshua' or 'Yashua'. Not a lot of people know dat. You is right about there being no 'J' in the Hebrew alphabet.

    not surprising i mean most if not all the names in the bible (or history) have been changed or modified.

    like christopher columbus ...his real name was Cristoforo Colombo and there is strong evidence taht he was not Italian. His DNA was tested (along with his brothers) and result was he was a from spain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huey P. Freeman View Post
    You guys are going to awaken Mundaca and Rodney and all hell(pun intended) is going to break loose.
    Along with the Xmas holiday complaints and Jesus is the reason for the season slogans.......makes a muhfugga HATE December
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