Don't get me wrong I am not saying that God isn't able to do it but in order for creation to operate in natural ability, Natural order had to be set forth. So if there was a bang, i believe that God started it. If there was evolution, God had to start from something. Think about it, man was made with dirt and the woman was made from a rib. What does that sound like? I have no idea and I cannot wait until that is broken down for me
In the bible in Gen 2 there is an account of "generations" of heaven and earth. Which mean genealogies, proceedings of. I don't think some religious people know what the term "science" mean.
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I just watched the whole thing, thanks Tony. I think everyone should watch it from start to finish. It needs to be seen and heard, the whole thing, not just the bits that people wanna see. Anything we see or read on evolution also has a counter / alternative case, I for one realised after the video that I should research a LOT deeper when posting. Respect Tony.
P.S. = Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand - yup, I'm feeling that once again. I see it as ridiculous to belive that everything we see, feel, hear and sense today was created from a singular 'big bang' There is too much detail to our lives and (as many already believe) souls for it to come from a big science experiment. Science has never proved that such an explosion is capable of creating life, because we could never re-create such an explosion. Therefore, -it is all speculation. And I won't believe in speculation.
Man, this thread SURE got people goin. I'm gonna have to get some popcorn for tommorrow night !
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ok, i was actually gonna stay out of this thread until i read what you posted above. just thought i'd bump that up for you (and everyone else) to re-read since in the way that it relates to this topic and your beliefs it is a total contradictory statement.
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faith...
perhaps the words we read in our bibles need not be taken so literal. Genesis is a deep book and I have always found so much to debate. As i am no scholar, I just have my faith and trust that my ignorance and misunderstanding are the cause of impossiblities and contradictions.
By the way, this was a real deep thread and so many of you are real interesting folk. Intelligent and analytical: HOUSE MUSIC.
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its made a lot of people very rich...
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The idea (popular at such moments as these) that God created the fossil record to test our faith is actually a tedious perversion of Gosse's idea that God brought not only the world but also its infinite past into being at the moment of creation. I say "tedious" because it's like a disappointing ending to a detective novel, a deus ex machina, if you'll pardon the pun. Gosse's idea's ridiculous, but it's at least metaphysical speculation.
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I read this and I agree with
1. Man made God as an avenue to explain the unexplainable (s/p).
2. Sit on the fence because as children we were taught not to question anything to do with religion...and that has been going on since slavery.
3. Paul in Rome invented to whole Jesus thing.
4. The historically incorrect images of Jesus came from rome and do not equal the discription in the bible.
5. I am close to the land where all of the bible stories occured and the people in this reason do not honor the bible version of events or Jesus as the last or son of God.
6. Sex....the missionary position came to be from Western World Missionaries going to other countries - telling the people of said lands that they were having improper sex.
7. The Indians were in North America living off the land in harmany (s/p) until the Christians came and started the U.S.A.
A non biblical lie that was taught for years until history proved it different is...Christopher Columbus discovered America. Leif Erickson stood on American soil 500 years before Columbus did - but there is no Erickson Day, only Columbus Day.
I love this thread because it is airing out Bullshit to WORLDWIDE eyes!!!
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LRR... correction on 5 sweetie.... you are in the land where the 3 major religions intersect, collide and share commonality. Jesus is recognised by Islam as a prophet not a deity.
The Church on the Mount is sacred to 3 religions. The Holy City is Holy to 3 religions. There are many many Christians in Lebanon for instance.
Remember that the strife in the middle east is based on the historical Baby Mama Drama of Abraham. who's children from Hagar and Sarah represent the Jewish and Islamic faiths. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are prevalent in the Middle East
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"Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen"
Some things aren't revealed because as humans we won't be able to break it down. therefore fossils, artifacts, etc. are found as clues of the past. At one point in time Religion and science did not go hand in hand. However, even the non-religious or the followers of other faiths, have to still acknowledge that creation and evolution will be beyond our understanding (no eyewitness account). We have a historic account that was written because of a scribe that had historic data from sources. Then we have scientist throughout time that have gathered data from historic research and studies. What we see now is that both are coming together rather we believe in both or not.
While we are trying to "figure" out or argue what's real and what's not, the facts don't lie. "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose....." If you deny your purpose, you can argue all day long God ain't real but what you do in this life is on you.
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Man is an intelligent being but come on now man just create a higher power without having some type of spiritual connection to it. For example, I went to Peru about 8 years ago and we hiked the Inca Trail, through that time we saw how the Incas praised the Heavens and earth for sending harvest, They also gave offerings for more. Can't no bang get credit for that. What the Catholics did was used their religion to acquire their land. An infidel takes spirituality and twist it and tries to put God in a box and sell Him.
This post's purpose was to see how the people that don't believe in creation open up. This was not in any way to bash the religious, (in which alot of you did) Rather we want to give props to an unknown source or not, A bang can't create a soul, creation cannot take place in a day. How many pregnant women you know get pregnant in one day and have a baby that night?
God has been giving clues for years and man has been taking the credit![]()
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lol Disco you and are are alot more alike than different on this subject. I respect your position and your presentation.
God Forbid if they dealt with the "Veil" and shyt... that would phucc a christian up royally!
seems to me that before modern science uncovered Dino's and prehistoric aninmals, people back in biblical times chronicaled their everyday lives, their surroundings, their beliefs and practices, as well as the behavior of their families and neighbors.. Dinosaurs were extinct by this time so of course they wouldnt have been documented. When the bible is read from a historical pov and not religious... its easy to see why the people of the bible believed their existence was the EXISTENCE of all there is.
But as we have evolved and science/technology has evolved, why do people not see the evidence that there is life that predates man's existence. That does not deflate ones faith, but the physical evidence proves that life existed before man and that would have to shift certain pov's or at least it should.
There was a time when Science and Religion not only co-existed but were interdependent and symbiotic.
How do Christians digest Mathematics, Astronomy, Geography... Im really curious.
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