What will the "Religious" say now? Mummified Dinosaur

[Nige55]

The big bang theory has nothing to do with natural selection, which I take it is what you mean by "evolution".

The reason I connected The big bang theory and evolution (which doesn't only cover natural selection - The human race have not been wiped out) was that they are topics that go against 'creation' in a broader sense. I'm not saying that there are not crossovers between the issues of creation and evolution, but evolutions are largely opposed to creation. I know I was being specific with my post (and possibly off topic), but this thread is clearly not meant to discuss specifically only some fossils, - As you can see from other's posts.

[KBig]

with all due respect what exactly are the FACTS? from reading your posts it sounds to me you have absolute knowledge of how things came into being. is it possible you can u be that arrogant? again no disrespect.

the fact is that a whole preserved prehistoric animal was found which predates human existence... not a bone here or a fossil there.


fact is tha man did not walk the earth first. FACT.

[upliftdisco365]

God didn't create man in his own image...man created god in his own image.

Damn, you called it, man. Is the creator of sunshine, gravity, purple, wind and zebras sitting invisibly in the sky, on a throne, holding a stick, rockin' a robe, bear-chested, with a long white beard and sandals? Funny - that's what cats wore when the bible was penned....

[Nige55]

Let's keep this thread rockin ! I guess welcome back is in order, how was the rest of work 2day ?
Gonna have to have a go on a couple of these --


[QUOTE=LEONARD REMIX RROY;578515]I read this and I agree with

3. Paul in Rome invented to whole Jesus thing.

You ain't serious right ? The catholic church denounce Jesus as the messiah, so according to them he ain't who he said he was, - why would they create him ? Oh, and - look up constantines' (a pagan) influence on the Vatican and Rome in 320 AD (might be a bit dull though ). The Catholic church's foundings are interpersed with Pagan value and signs. Hardly a Jesus supporting case.


4. The historically incorrect images of Jesus came from rome and do not equal the discription in the bible.

That's where I totally agree, Jesus was not the white, bearded (although he probably was) image that the roman church lead us to believe that he was. They even get his name wrong. I think the Catholic church is a load of crap. Sorry If I offend anyone. Latin and greek sidetrack from the bible, Jesus was a Jew after all.

5. I am close to the land where all of the bible stories occured and the people in this reason do not honor the bible version of events or Jesus as the last or son of God.

I spent time in Tel Aviv, and all around Israel. Who do you mean by these 'people' ? By the way, it was also predicted in the Bible that the people of Israel would turn from him, so your comment comes as no surprise. Just backs up the prophecies.

Man, this is a hot topic ! Now, where can I get some popcorn from 'round here ?

[Nige55]

Damn, you called it, man. Is the creator of sunshine, gravity, purple, wind and zebras sitting invisibly in the sky, on a throne, holding a stick, rockin' a robe, bear-chested, with a long white beard and sandals? Funny - that's what cats wore when the bible was penned....

Nah, he's probably in D+G on saturday nights, he's got a goatie beard now and wears serpent skin shoes

[KBig]

[quote=Nige55;578662]Let's keep this thread rockin ! I guess welcome back is in order, how was the rest of work 2day ?
Gonna have to have a go on a couple of these --

I read this and I agree with

3. Paul in Rome invented to whole Jesus thing.

You ain't serious right ? The catholic church denounce Jesus as the messiah, so according to them he ain't who he said he was, - why would they create him ? Oh, and - look up constantines' (a pagan) influence on the Vatican and Rome in 320 AD (might be a bit dull though ). The Catholic church's foundings are interpersed with Pagan value and signs. Hardly a Jesus supporting case.


4. The historically incorrect images of Jesus came from rome and do not equal the discription in the bible.

That's where I totally agree, Jesus was not the white, bearded (although he probably was) image that the roman church lead us to believe that he was. They even get his name wrong. I think the Catholic church is a load of crap. Sorry If I offend anyone. Latin and greek sidetrack from the bible, Jesus was a Jew after all.

5. I am close to the land where all of the bible stories occured and the people in this reason do not honor the bible version of events or Jesus as the last or son of God.

I spent time in Tel Aviv, and all around Israel. Who do you mean by these 'people' ? By the way, it was also predicted in the Bible that the people of Israel would turn from him, so your comment comes as no surprise. Just backs up the prophecies.

Man, this is a hot topic ! Now, where can I get some popcorn from 'round here ?

know your history.... the Catholic Church didnt EXIST until Paul created. There was no Catholic Church in the time of Christ. Paul NEVER met Jesus and was not a disciple of his. He was told stories about Jesus.

As far as Constantine... understand that religion and politics go hand and hand. Constantine came into power over a realm where Paganism and Christianity were both prevalent and in the throws doing battle with each others doctrines. See Nicean Council for clarity. Understand that paganism was a very prominent pratice UNTIL the Nicean Council deified Christ. until then he was just a spiritual leader i.e MAN.

[Nige55]

know your history.... the Catholic Church didnt EXIST until Paul created. There was no Catholic Church in the time of Christ. Paul NEVER met Jesus and was not a disciple of his. He was told stories about Jesus.

As far as Constantine... understand that religion and politics go hand and hand. Constantine came into power over a realm where Paganism and Christianity were both prevalent and in the throws doing battle with each others doctrines. See Nicean Council for clarity. Understand that paganism was a very prominent pratice UNTIL the Nicean Council deified Christ. until then he was just a spiritual leader i.e MAN.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for pickin' me up on this one, you know your stuff. I'm still a little rough 'round the edges. This info was good to read. The point I was trying to make (didn't do a great job of it) was that The battle of Paganism and Christianity saw Christianity compromise and adopt some of these pagan values, and it's quite clear to see.

[Nige55]

oh, and sorry, - when I mentioned the catholic church is interspersed with pagan signs and values, I was referring to the result of where todays' catholic church is at

[dj c-los]

know your history.... the Catholic Church didnt EXIST until Paul created. There was no Catholic Church in the time of Christ. Paul NEVER met Jesus and was not a disciple of his. He was told stories about Jesus.

actually Paul said he was taught by Jesus for 3 years after Christ's death.

and for the record i aint a Catholic

[E-Phi]

The battle of Paganism and Christianity saw Christianity compromise and adopt some of these pagan values, and it's quite clear to see.

We're celebrating one of those "adopted" values right now in the USA

[E-Phi]

actually Paul said he was taught by Jesus for 3 years after Christ's death.

ummm...can I have some of what you're smoking? I'm jes sayin'

[KBig]

know your history.... the Catholic Church didnt EXIST until Paul created. There was no Catholic Church in the time of Christ. Paul NEVER met Jesus and was not a disciple of his. He was told stories about Jesus.

As far as Constantine... understand that religion and politics go hand and hand. Constantine came into power over a realm where Paganism and Christianity were both prevalent and in the throws doing battle with each others doctrines. See Nicean Council for clarity. Understand that paganism was a very prominent pratice UNTIL the Nicean Council deified Christ. until then he was just a spiritual leader i.e MAN.

Thanks for pickin' me up on this one, you know your stuff. I'm still a little rough 'round the edges. This info was good to read. The point I was trying to make (didn't do a great job of it) was that The battle of Paganism and Christianity saw Christianity compromise and adopt some of these pagan values, and it's quite clear to see.[/quote]


entertain this for a minit:

Christianity evovled out of paganism. many of the traditions tODAY are of pagan origin... many of the practices were of Afrocentric origin. The TRINITY is a African concept. The blessed mother is quite Asiatic/ Afrocentric in origin.

The move to Christianity was to UNITE Rome thats a power/political move.

Offeriings in the temple was pagan oriented

What do you think Christians were before the religion was founded?
Many Christian practices didnt originate with Christianity.

[Nige55]

We're celebrating one of those "adopted" values right now in the USA

Yup, you got it

[Nige55]

entertain this for a minit:

Christianity evovled out of paganism. many of the traditions tODAY are of pagan origin... many of the practices were of Afrocentric origin. The TRINITY is a African concept. The blessed mother is quite Asiatic/ Afrocentric in origin.

The move to Christianity was to UNITE Rome thats a power/political move.

Offeriings in the temple was pagan oriented

What do you think Christians were before the religion was founded?
Many Christian practices didnt originate with Christianity.[/QUOTE]

Interesting stuff again. It all brings it back to the point that Jesus was a jew. Christianity is still being twisted and contorted right now.

[TAD]

the fact is that a whole preserved prehistoric animal was found which predates human existence... not a bone here or a fossil there.


fact is tha man did not walk the earth first. FACT.

i'm not quite sure i understand. i thought this was already established through leakey's work.

actually i was refering to Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand's intertwining of her personal beliefs and science to prove god exists through the bible. anyway that's the way i see it. maybe i'm wrong.

[LEONARD REMIX RROY]

LRR... correction on 5 sweetie.... you are in the land where the 3 major religions intersect, collide and share commonality. Jesus is recognised by Islam as a prophet not a deity.
The Church on the Mount is sacred to 3 religions. The Holy City is Holy to 3 religions. There are many many Christians in Lebanon for instance.

Remember that the strife in the middle east is based on the historical Baby Mama Drama of Abraham. who's children from Hagar and Sarah represent the Jewish and Islamic faiths. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are prevalent in the Middle East

The people who live where I am do not accept the christian version as the truth and they talk to us about their faith in detail.

As for me - I am officially an Atheist now.

[TAD]

i mean anyone who thinks they have the absolute correct interpretation of the bible has lost their marbles. i know off topic but i'm questioning the integrity of this thread. what does this mummy have to do with religion? all they know now is a little more about the appearance of dinosaurs that they may be a bit longer than first thought of, and so on. purely a scientific article. "what will the religious say" as a thread starter begs me to question is this a spiritual vs religious thread. are spiritual people more superior or look down on religious people because they think they might have more profound knowledge? i'm just wondering where all this is coming from. again no disrespect to the thread starter.

[silverbull]

Damn interesting convos thats for sure.

[KBig]

The people who live where I am do not accept the christian version as the truth and they talk to us about their faith in detail.

As for me - I am officially an Atheist now.

but the REGION .. the middle east is an intersection of all 3.

Im far from atheist, and Im even farther from Christian, Islamic or Jewish.


Im Bovinian.

[dj c-los]

I read this and I agree with
3. Paul in Rome invented to whole Jesus thing.

Paul was a Jew that had the authority (and did) persecute Christians.
He is one guy that had no reason whatsoever to convert to beliefs
that did not go with his beliefs. The early church blasphemed God in Jewish eyes and yet he "converted."

[Monny JcIntosh]

The reason I connected The big bang theory and evolution (which doesn't only cover natural selection - The human race have not been wiped out) was that they are topics that go against 'creation' in a broader sense. I'm not saying that there are not crossovers between the issues of creation and evolution, but evolutions are largely opposed to creation. I know I was being specific with my post (and possibly off topic), but this thread is clearly not meant to discuss specifically only some fossils, - As you can see from other's posts.

You are confused.

Evolution is a phenomenon that the theories of natural selection and creationism attempt to explain. Evolution is the change in the heritable traits of a population. To take the standard example, one generation of a species of moths had white wings; later generations had brown wings. The process of change is an example of evolution. As a phenomenon, it does not go against 'creation'. The creationist does not deny that the change occurred, i.e. that evolution took place. What he denies is a particular explanation of why that change took place, i.e. natural selection, which he thinks conflicts with his own explanation, i.e. that God did it.

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

with all due respect what exactly are the FACTS? from reading your posts it sounds to me you have absolute knowledge of how things came into being. is it possible you can u be that arrogant? again no disrespect.

The facts of tangible proof. Not my proof. I am not a scientist nor am I a biblical scholar.

Christians argue creationism and want to believe that God created the heavens and the earth in 7 days. Others want to argue that there is no such thing as a "creation" by a being. There has been proof of alot of biblical place and there is proof of prehistoric life. My point is that both sides have to come to terms that God didn't just point and click and A bang didn't start it all.

[Moksha]

I have yet to truly understand why WE haven't been able to have these concepts coexist with one another! Okay, there was a big bang. Who made the big bang?!?!? GOD! So we evolved from the primordial soup. Who made the soup?!?! GOD! Would it make sense for the Bible or any other religious document to start with the soup or simply state that a man and a woman appeared?

I don't know. I'm not a religious expert nor am I an expert on the theory of evolution, but I have to believe that there's a possibility of coexistence and confluence of these ideas.

Why do you choose Christianity as the religion of coexistence and confluence with science? Why not Hinduism, or Roman mythology or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Or aliens, or ghosts, or omnipotent insects?

There are an infinite number of imaginary beings you could attribute these "powers over science" to.

[Moksha]

Right ! I don't see what the problem is too. if we were picketing against you, burning photos of you, and wanting you executed (for the naming of a teddy bear, - you get me), then I could understand this. As much as there is coverage * (not proof !) of scientific facts, they are after all controlled by media and the governmnet, who many of you cearly disagree with anyway.
So where do you get your sources ? P.S. - side note - if evolution continues of it's own accord, - why don't I have 4 arms to A. Hold 2 more drinks, and B. not get things done in 1/2 the time at work and be able to go home at 12.00 ?

Right... Christianity has never executed any nonbelievers...

Also, you are totally ignorant about this topic if you think that "scientific facts... are after all controlled by media and the governmnet."

Enjoy your flat earth.

[Moksha]

Science also used to tell us that the world was flat

Oh really? Please show me where that is...