Intl travelers... Air France or Virgin Atlantic?

[Armento]

Why is Virgin so much better? Air France airfare is lookin a little under Virgin.

Halp. Any experience?

[Doug]

Why is Virgin so much better? Air France airfare is lookin a little under Virgin.

Halp. Any experience?

Much better amenities. Even in coach. Plus, the last time I was on Air France, they still had a smoking section.

[MarkK]

Much better amenities. Even in coach. Plus, the last time I was on Air France, they still had a smoking section.

Doug, you are so old.......(-:

I think they are much closer now in service. Air France is a big player with its purchase of KLM. The food on AF is the best coach food cross-Atlantic BY FAR.

[Armento]

Doug, you are so old.......(-:

I think they are much closer now in service. Air France is a big player with its purchase of KLM. The food on AF is the best coach food cross-Atlantic BY FAR.

really? thanks.. since my only membership is with KLM this sounds like a good option for miles. and it's 50 bux less

[rob_s]

Frogs legs @ 30,000 feet.

[Moksha]

5 years ago, I would have said Virgin, hands down.

These days, however, there isn't much difference between them. Now that everybody has decent IFE systems, the experience is about the same. I was on AF last April, and it was fine. Virgin seems to be less impressive every time I fly. Except... their Upper Class is amazing.

[Armento]

thanks.. i'll go with lowest cost then.. whta's IFE?

also ... how hard is the trip from London to Ireland?

[Moksha]

thanks.. i'll go with lowest cost then.. whta's IFE?

also ... how hard is the trip from London to Ireland?

IFE = In-flight Entertainment (movies in the back of the seat in front of you). Virgin used to be light years ahead of the rest... not so much anymore (their games suck.)

UK to Ireland is easy. Check Ryan Air and easyJet for cheap flights. Why, pray tell, are you going to Ireland, though?

[Armento]

IFE = In-flight Entertainment (movies in the back of the seat in front of you). Virgin used to be light years ahead of the rest... not so much anymore (their games suck.)

UK to Ireland is easy. Check Ryan Air and easyJet for cheap flights. Why, pray tell, are you going to Ireland, though?

never been... but been to london and cardiff a few times. i think i should check out ireland... wouldn't I enjoy it?

actually nothing is set in stone yet.. . maybe devonshire... . but definitely Normandy on this trip

[Chris Conrad]

IFE = In-flight Entertainment (movies in the back of the seat in front of you). Virgin used to be light years ahead of the rest... not so much anymore (their games suck.)

UK to Ireland is easy. Check Ryan Air and easyJet for cheap flights. Why, pray tell, are you going to Ireland, though?

ryan air is a cattle coach...ok for very very short flights...

[Armento]

ryan air is a cattle coach...ok for very very short flights...

what's the problem with it? we were thinkin of takin it to mainland europe.. it's like 60 bucks

[ngeso]

what's the problem with it? we were thinkin of takin it to mainland europe.. it's like 60 bucks

Nothing wrong with Ryan Air as such, from what I can tell from experience (one round trip to Murcia). They were fast, efficient and 20 minutes ahead of schedule both legs. New aircraft. Czech pornstar FA's. The only thing that can be inconvenient is that they frequent out of the way boonie airports with low landing fees (Frankfurt-Hahn-Int'l is actually 120 kilometres from Frankie). So sometimes the transferring can be a bit bothersome.

[Armento]

Nothing wrong with Ryan Air as such, from what I can tell from experience (one round trip to Murcia). They were fast, efficient and 20 minutes ahead of schedule both legs. New aircraft. Czech pornstar FA's. The only thing that can be inconvenient is that they frequent out of the way boonie airports with low landing fees (Frankfurt-Hahn-Int'l is actually 120 kilometres from Frankie). So sometimes the transferring can be a bit bothersome.

thanks.. I really enjoyed Vueling last time in Europe. But they don't do London yet

[Doug]

Doug, you are so old.......(-:

I think they are much closer now in service. Air France is a big player with its purchase of KLM. The food on AF is the best coach food cross-Atlantic BY FAR.

I guess I am...

[geo]

ryan air is a cattle coach...ok for very very short flights...

Anything longer than 2.30 hours is probably pushing it.

I've done EasyJet to Barcelona from LHR many, many times and it's OK. I think if I was in the air for three hours with them or RyanAir that would be pushing it.

[Beattyful]

last time i flew virgin, they had user-controlled televisions at every seat in coach. and, this was back in 2001. you could even play video games using a controller at your armchair. i was rockin' out some super mario brothers all the way to south africa.

[Armento]

last time i flew virgin, they had user-controlled televisions at every seat in coach. and, this was back in 2001. you could even play video games using a controller at your armchair. i was rockin' out some super mario brothers all the way to south africa.

this is almost industry standard now.

[Beattyful]

damn, well i need to move to europe then! i fly at least 3x/month for work in the u.s. and i'm lucky to be able to get good enough earphones and watch any TV at all.

[ebot9000]

Ryan Air and Easy Jet are only cheap if you travel light. They have strict baggage rules and charge heavy on overages.

No seat assignments - jump on and fight for a seat like the bus. Easy Jet has the most unhappy tired cranky ass flight attendants i've ever seen, and the ugliest uniforms.

I haven't done cross atlantic on Air France yet, but I've done Virgin and BA many times. Virgin is a crap shoot, even though all their Inter continental flights have great entertainment setups, about half their airlines have shit for legroom, you never know what you'll get. I've had a few stiff seated trips with them. To me it's all about leg room, I can bring a book and skip reruns of Doogie

What's amazing is the last couple International Continental flights I was on had the best inflight entertainment system I've ever seen, hundreds of television shows and hundreds of movies. Used to be they were old school, one bad movie on a television in the ceiling, even international.

but then.. drawback with them is no free booze

[Armento]

i don't really care about how crappy a plane is for a 2 hour flight. i'm never sober when i'm in europe anyway.. and definitely not a plane.

[ngeso]

Gotta love Pam Ann's Virgin Atlantic slutty cabin crew add.

[FK]

Why is Virgin so much better? Air France airfare is lookin a little under Virgin.

Halp. Any experience?

By the time you've actually made it through all of the sometimes huge lines, multiple security checks,
endless irritating personal questions by security agents trying to trip you, and carry-on luggage
hassles and restrictions at Heathrow or most major European airports on the way back to the US,
(but the UK being worst at this time) it really may not matter much at all anymore which company's
cabin you even fly in.

The great equalizer..... Security measures and checks.

FK

[Armento]

Gotta love Pam Ann's Virgin Atlantic slutty cabin crew add.

Damn dude!!! propses!!!! right on

[Chris Conrad]

Ryan Air and Easy Jet are only cheap if you travel light. They have strict baggage rules and charge heavy on overages.

No seat assignments - jump on and fight for a seat like the bus. Easy Jet has the most unhappy tired cranky ass flight attendants i've ever seen, and the ugliest uniforms.

I haven't done cross atlantic on Air France yet, but I've done Virgin and BA many times. Virgin is a crap shoot, even though all their Inter continental flights have great entertainment setups, about half their airlines have shit for legroom, you never know what you'll get. I've had a few stiff seated trips with them. To me it's all about leg room, I can bring a book and skip reruns of Doogie

What's amazing is the last couple International Continental flights I was on had the best inflight entertainment system I've ever seen, hundreds of television shows and hundreds of movies. Used to be they were old school, one bad movie on a television in the ceiling, even international.

but then.. drawback with them is no free booze

like i said, ryan air is a cattle coach...mostly eastern european staff that are underpaid, overworked and abused...and yes, serious baggage charges...

[NYdiaspora]

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