The Matrix Reloaded [SPOILER THREAD - dont look b4 u see the movie!!!]

[Nicholas]

ahhhhhhhhhh thats better.

"nicholas, remember after the oracle meeting, mr. smith said that after he and neo had the fight, they became a part of each other? how did that happen, we shall find out soon, but that's why he was able to "feel" those animal things that were created by the likes of mr. smith..."

i definately think your onto something, clearly from the trailer, agent smith is the centre of the next film.

He detonated the EMP device early, causing zion to get massacred but that wasnt in Colonel Sander's plan surely, it would have happened anyway.

Agent Smith must know about the Colo.. sorry the Architect's design and was trying to throw it off, not just mess up the humans.

BUT! Mr Smith didnt create the machines, and i dont think it was inferred that Neo got some of smith's abilities was it?


Two theories

1) The Zion and all those evil machine thingys are a second matrix. Thats what Neo realises when he turns around and stops them. He doesnt go into a coma, he rejects the program and wakes up.

2) gimme a minute my head hurts

[Nicholas]

he had to rebuild the matrix several times due to people not wanting to accept it. Then the oracle came to realize that if they gave these people an option to choose wether their fake world wasn't real or not, even though it wasn't a real choice to begin with. Things would remain in a balance. The only problem with the solution was that every so often, there is always a possible chance that things would not go accordingly and a person would choose to NOT accept their artifical world and one of those people would be a special mistake (Neo and his predecessors)

As time went on, it would snowball into an ever increasing problem of the same mistake happening and those people trying to rescue others of their kind. Once things got out of hand, they were forced to destroy the city of Zion, and restart a new.

Like Colonel sanders said, they destroyed Zion 6 times already, and they've gotten very efficient at doing it. So it must mean that they just accept the entire event as an un-avoidable flaw.


BUT, the Colonel said that there was something different about NEO, he realised something the others did not... which i guess is where the other movie picks up.

[RX]

Originally posted by Nicholas:

2) gimme a minute my head hurts

[img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

i cannot say much behind that...

i have one inquiry, though...when the one that was infected by smith's virus shook hands with neo after he cut himself, didn't he still have blood on his hands? if so, the blood is still on the cloth that the silver spoon was wrapped in, meaning he'll find that later...

also, smith is able to get his virus into humans and keep them human, as in the case of the one that shook neo's hand...therefore, there is a possibility that when neo and smith fought, smith and neo both got infected, making them both machines/human...

i think...

i'll have to address the colonel later, as i forgot what i wanted to say about him...

[Nicholas]

OR

2) Neo is in fact a machine. The Marovian (french bloke) was neo's predecessor - he dropped hints that he used to be like Neo, he remembered being like that etc. also why did he care about the keymaker? he had his own thing going on and he didnt want the One to come and potentially choose to destroy the Matrix.

Personally, how cool were the werewolve/vampire bodyguards? that idea was awesome.

If I get me some of that cake, Leslie can come over for dessert!

[Nicholas]

Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Nicholas:

2) gimme a minute my head hurts

[img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

i cannot say much behind that...

i have one inquiry, though...when the one that was infected by smith's virus shook hands with neo after he cut himself, didn't he still have blood on his hands? if so, the blood is still on the cloth that the silver spoon was wrapped in, meaning he'll find that later...

also, smith is able to get his virus into humans and keep them human, as in the case of the one that shook neo's hand...therefore, there is a possibility that when neo and smith fought, smith and neo both got infected, making them both machines/human...

i think...

i'll have to address the colonel later, as i forgot what i wanted to say about him... </font>[/QUOTE]i am pretty sure the blood thing was just so Agent Smith could get all jazzed about being human.

"OH SHIT! DUDE! I CUT MYSELF! KICKIN' RAD! I"M HUMAN!!"

We have no idea if he can do the replicating/infecting trick in the "real world" yet, but I bet he can because he's bad ass.

[RX]

Originally posted by Nicholas:
Like Colonel sanders said, they destroyed Zion 6 times already, and they've gotten very efficient at doing it. So it must mean that they just accept the entire event as an un-avoidable flaw.

when he said that, the first thing that came to mind was "purpose", what smith wish he had, but didn't and was jealous of neo for having...the purpose of neo is to continue to provide for the destruction of zion - but this destruction is different, for it's either that smith is involved or that smith is involved and corrupted...smith appears to want purpose and to be a part of things but it's almost as if he's wanting to take over all...almost like HE wants to be the "one"...

i'm gonna watch the first one this weekend to see exactly what the deal is...

[RX]

Originally posted by Nicholas:
OR

2) Neo is in fact a machine. The Marovian (french bloke) was neo's predecessor - he dropped hints that he used to be like Neo, he remembered being like that etc. also why did he care about the keymaker? he had his own thing going on and he didnt want the One to come and potentially choose to destroy the Matrix.

Personally, how cool were the werewolve/vampire bodyguards? that idea was awesome.

If I get me some of that cake, Leslie can come over for dessert!

leslie's a good girl - it can't be a "matrix" cake - it's gotta be real! [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

like the french cat, good things lie ahead for neo if he plays the rules...but he's unfortunately dealing with an entity like smith, which makes it more difficult for him to maneuver like the others...

[Nicholas]

Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Nicholas:
Like Colonel sanders said, they destroyed Zion 6 times already, and they've gotten very efficient at doing it. So it must mean that they just accept the entire event as an un-avoidable flaw.

but this destruction is different, for it's either that smith is involved or that smith is involved and corrupted...smith appears to want purpose and to be a part of things but it's almost as if he's wanting to take over all...almost like HE wants to be the "one"...
</font>[/QUOTE]awesome. you rock.

[Nicholas]

“What if there was this cake that allowed you to Orgasm? Isn’t that worth fighting for? Isn’t that worth dieing for?”

[RX]

"...it's like wiping your ass with silk..."

[YUJI-SAN]

Originally posted by Nicholas:
“What if there was this cake that allowed you to Orgasm? Isn’t that worth fighting for? Isn’t that worth dieing for?”

hahahahahaha

[SuzanneT]

Im so bad!!! [img]graemlins/spanka.gif[/img]
I cheated I HAD to look at this post. I cant go see it until tomorrow and its killing me!!!! But a friend of mine has a theory that Mr Smith is actually a human that the machines freed him; could this be so or are you guys not gonna tell me your thoughts cuz I havent seen the movie? I am sooo ashamed.

[ May 16, 2003, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: SuzanneT ]

[SHEIK YERBOUTI]

How about this, notice how the one dude got infected by Smith and tried to kill Neo on the outside which means that Smith's infection works in both the Matrix and the real world? Maybe, since Smith tried to infect Neo in the matrix, Neo also now has influence on both planes which is how he was able to stop the sentinels in the real world.

Did someone mention this already? If so, sorry. I probably didn't read enough.

[SHEIK YERBOUTI]

Originally posted by SuzanneT:
Im so bad!!! [img]graemlins/spanka.gif[/img]
I cheated I HAD to look at this post. I cant go see it until tomorrow and its killing me!!!! But a friend of mine has a theory that Mr Smith is actually a human that the machines freed him; could this be so or are you guys not gonna tell me your thoughts cuz I havent seen the movie? I am sooo ashamed.

HEY! This is our "we already saw it" thread!

Scram! (At least until you've seen it...) ;)

[Oak Pk, IL's Best Bedroom DJ, serge]

neo and smith are the next incarnation of humanity: man machines with souls

smith and neo will team up in the last matrix to overcome architect sanders, and bring about the inception of a new age where machines and man coexist peacefully (and popeyes chicken will be had by all).

the conversation with the councilman alludes to this.

[E-Phi]

Agent Smith wants it all. Why do you think he was at the building where the Source was located? Also his "clones" look like Smith in the Matrix but look like their normal human self outside of the Matrix.
On the other thread I also noted that since he (Neo) can control things in the Matrix he should be able to control things controlled by the Matrix.

[RX]

Originally posted by toomuchtv:
How about this, notice how the one dude got infected by Smith and tried to kill Neo on the outside which means that Smith's infection works in both the Matrix and the real world? Maybe, since Smith tried to infect Neo in the matrix, Neo also now has influence on both planes which is how he was able to stop the sentinels in the real world.

Did someone mention this already? If so, sorry. I probably didn't read enough.

exactly...but it happened earlier when neo got killed by smith and came back to kill smith...somehow they got connected...
i just keep think about computer viruses - how they can sometimes cross over into networks that may have protection as long as they continue to try again and again until they set up an immunity to the protection - sort of how zion keeps getting destroyed again and again - finally smith is immune to the dangers of passing into the real world...

[RX]

Originally posted by E-Phi:

On the other thread I also noted that since he (Neo) can control things in the Matrix he should be able to control things controlled by the Matrix.

such as what? his choices? his purpose?

[YUJI-SAN]

Isn't Mr Smith that one dude with the knife on Zion that tried to kill Neo from the back?

[RX]

Originally posted by YUJI BR0WN:
Isn't Mr Smith that one dude with the knife on Zion that tried to kill Neo from the back?

yeah, but human...

[YUJI-SAN]

Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by YUJI BR0WN:
Isn't Mr Smith that one dude with the knife on Zion that tried to kill Neo from the back?

yeah, but human... </font>[/QUOTE]Ok thats what I thought, gonna go see again tonite
so I can understand it more

[Nicholas]

yes Yuji, he also set off the EMP that destroyed all the ships in the counterattack and is the guy on the table next to neo at the end.

I also dont think its a Matrix within a matrix as I was expounding above, i think that Rickey and Serge have the right idea.

[E-Phi]

Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by E-Phi:

On the other thread I also noted that since he (Neo) can control things in the Matrix he should be able to control things controlled by the Matrix.

such as what? his choices? his purpose? </font>[/QUOTE]The fact that "outside the matrix" is still inside the matrix. Someone posted about that coma being Neo waking up again as though everything that has happened so far was still the matrix at work.

[Nicholas]

I also love the bit where Agent Smith cuts off Neo's hand and then tells him he's his father.

[Nicholas]

Originally posted by E-Phi:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by E-Phi:

On the other thread I also noted that since he (Neo) can control things in the Matrix he should be able to control things controlled by the Matrix.

such as what? his choices? his purpose? </font>[/QUOTE]The fact that "outside the matrix" is still inside the matrix. Someone posted about that coma being Neo waking up again as though everything that has happened so far was still the matrix at work. </font>[/QUOTE]Nah, I think Zion and that was real, it was just a reality the machines could control.