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    BOOM!!! Bear Stearns collapses (its time to be scared)

    This is disastrous news

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080317/...n_bear_stearns

    JPMorgan to buy Bear for $2 a share
    By JOE BEL BRUNO and MADLEN READ, AP Business Writers
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    NEW YORK - Just four days after Bear Stearns Chief Executive Alan Schwartz assured Wall Street that his company was not in trouble, he was forced on Sunday to sell the investment bank to competitor JPMorgan Chase for a bargain-basement price of $2 a share, or $236.2 million.

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    The stunning last-minute buyout was aimed at averting a Bear Stearns bankruptcy and a spreading crisis of confidence in the global financial system sparked by the collapse in the subprime mortgage market. Bear Stearns was the most exposed to risky bets on the loans; it is now the first major bank to be undone by that market's collapse.

    The Federal Reserve and the U.S. government swiftly approved the all-stock buyout, showing the urgency of completing the deal before world markets opened. The Fed also essentially made the takeover risk-free by saying it would guarantee up to $30 billion of the troubled mortgage and other assets that got the nation's fifth-largest investment bank into trouble.

    "This is going to go down in very historic terms," said Peter Dunay, chief investment strategist for New York-based Meridian Equity Partners. "This is about credit being overextended, and how bad it is for major financial institutions and for individuals. This is why we're probably heading into a recession."

    JPMorgan Chase & Co. said it will guarantee all business — such as trading and investment banking — until Bear Stearns' shareholders approve the deal, which is expected to be completed during the second quarter. The acquisition includes Bear Stearns' midtown Manhattan headquarters.

    JPMorgan Chief Financial Officer Michael Cavanagh did not say what would happen to Bear Stearns' 14,000 employees worldwide or whether the 85-year-old Bear Stearns name would live on after surviving the Great Depression, two World Wars and a slew of recessions. He told analysts and investors on a conference call that JPMorgan was most interested in buying Bear Stearns' prime brokerage business, which completes trades for big investors such as hedge funds.

    At almost the same time as the deal for control of Bear Stearns was announced, the Federal Reserve said it approved a cut in its lending rate to banks to 3.25 percent from 3.50 percent and created another lending facility for big investment banks. The central bank's official meeting is on Tuesday. Before the emergency move to lower the discount rate, which is the rate at which banks lend each other money, the Fed was widely expected to again cut its headline rate by as much as a full point to 2 percent.

    "Having taking Bear Stearns out of the problem category, and the strong action by the Federal Reserve, we would anticipate the market will behave quite differently on Monday than it was Thursday or Friday," Cavanagh said.

    Some analysts expected it to be a brutal day for global stocks, nevertheless. Shortly after the news broke, Japan's benchmark Nikkei stock index plunged more than 3 percent in morning trading.

    A bankruptcy protection filing of Bear Stearns could have heightened anxiety in world financial markets amid a deepening credit crunch. So far, global banks have written down some $200 billion worth of securities slammed amid the credit crisis — more write-downs could come. Last week, a bond fund controlled by private equity firm Carlyle Group faltered near collapse because of investments linked to mortgage-backed securities.

    JPMorgan's acquisition of Bear Stearns represents roughly 1 percent of what the investment bank was worth just 16 days ago. It marked a 93.3 percent discount to Bear Stearns' market capitalization as of Friday, and roughly a 98.8 percent discount to its book value as of Feb. 29.

    "The past week has been an incredibly difficult time for Bear Stearns," Schwartz said in a statement. "This represents the best outcome for all of our constituencies based upon the current circumstances."

    Wall Street analysts say the bid to rescue Bear Stearns was more than just saving one of the world's largest investments banks — it was a prop for the U.S. economy and the global financial system. An outright failure would cause huge losses for banks, hedge funds and other investors to which Bear Stearns is connected.

    After days of denials that it had liquidity problems, Bear was forced into a JPMorgan-led, government-backed bailout on Friday. The arrangement, the first of its kind since the 1930s, resulted in Bear getting a 28-day loan from JPMorgan with the government's guarantee that JPMorgan would not suffer any losses on the deal.

    This is not the first time Bear Stearns has earned a place in Wall Street history. A decade ago, Bear Stearns refused to help bail out a hedge fund that was deemed "too big to fail." On Friday, the tables had turned, with the now-struggling investment bank in need of the same kind of aid.

    Bear Stearns was founded in 1923 and in recent years was best known for its aggressive investing in mortgage-backed securities — and what was once a cash cow turned into the investment bank's undoing.

    In June, two Bear-managed hedge funds worth billions of dollars collapsed. The funds were heavily invested in securities backed by subprime mortgages. Until that point, subprime mortgage-backed securities were immensely popular with investors because of their profitability.

    The funds' demise and subsequent problems in the credit markets called into question Bear Stearns' ability to manage its own risk and the leadership ability of then-Chief Executive James Cayne. Critics of the company said Cayne spent too much time away from the office last year playing golf and bridge as the problems unfolded.

    Cayne is the same executive who refused to let Bear Stearns provide support as part of a Federal Reserve-led plan to rescue Long-Term Capital Management in 1998. His reticence was said to deeply anger some of his fellow Wall Street CEOs, and the episode came up every time Bear was reported to be in trouble in recent months.

    Cayne took over from the legendary Alan "Ace" Greenberg in 1993. Greenberg joined Bear Stearns as a clerk, working his way up through the ranks to eventually take over as CEO in 1978. Greenberg was known for his irreverent style, and his regular memos to employees were turned into a book called "Memos from the Chairman."

    Before Greenberg's ascendancy to CEO, Bear Stearns began to expand from its New York roots throughout the 1950s and 1960s, opening international offices and expanding its U.S. operations.
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    The scary part

    George W Bush just gave a speech at the NY Economic Club on Friday

    another speech and it'll be raining stockbrokers

    the man has to be the worst president since Herbert Hoover
    As for the charges against me, I am unconcerned. I am beyond their timid lying morality, and so I am beyond caring.

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    i used to work for bear. sad shit.

    jimmy cayne had offers to sell bear when its shares were way over 110 bucks a share a few years ago.
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    Has this been snowballing since the Clinton Administration or can this all be linked to the policies and practices of the current Administration? Excuse my ignorance because I know next to nothing about the world of finance.
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    This is catastrophic. Tomorrow morning is going to be a bloodbath on Wall Street. Another black Monday?

    Raining stockbrokers? Funny stuff, my brotha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huey P. Freeman View Post
    Has this been snowballing since the Clinton Administration or can this all be linked to the policies and practices of the current Administration? Excuse my ignorance because I know next to nothing about the world of finance.
    Call it the culture that was established under GWB. The lack of oversight is where he can be blamed. His "letting the market forces dictate things" approach is what ultimately led to this. The market place were gambling on perpetual growth and loss. Hence the bubble bursting. Oversight could have stemmed the bleeding a couple of years ago. But we all know how GWB and the boys feel about oversight, now don't we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolemite73 View Post
    Call it the culture that was established under GWB. The lack of oversight is where he can be blamed. His "letting the market forces dictate things" approach is what ultimately led to this. The market place were gambling on perpetual growth and loss. Hence the bubble bursting. Oversight could have stemmed the bleeding a couple of years ago. But we all know how GWB and the boys feel about oversight, now don't we?
    when i heard on the tv about "intrest only loans" i knew shit was out of hand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huey P. Freeman View Post
    Has this been snowballing since the Clinton Administration or can this all be linked to the policies and practices of the current Administration? Excuse my ignorance because I know next to nothing about the world of finance.
    This has been building since Ronald Reagan

    "deregulation" they says

    the asian markets are falling right now

    this is turning into a real fucking mess
    As for the charges against me, I am unconcerned. I am beyond their timid lying morality, and so I am beyond caring.

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    Watch this get pinned by GWB (if the fingers get pointed at his administration) as more 9/11 fallout (wanna bet me $2 a share on this one?), with "stopping the war on terror" as the solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palatine William Wilson View Post
    This has been building since Ronald Reagan

    "deregulation" they says

    the asian markets are falling right now

    this is turning into a real fucking mess
    This may rival that fateful October day in 1988 when all hell broke lose on Wall Street and stockbrokers were no shit jumping out of windows and blowing their heads off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolemite73 View Post
    This may rival that fateful October day in 1988 when all hell broke lose on Wall Street and stockbrokers were no shit jumping out of windows and blowing their heads off.
    they halt trading if it falls a certain level and reopen i think an hour later if it keeps going to shit trading will stop for the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMJ View Post
    Watch this get pinned by GWB (if the fingers get pointed at his administration) as more 9/11 fallout (wanna bet me $2 a share on this one?), with "stopping the war on terror" as the solution.

    Trust's.....JMJ
    Gotta throw in the part about immunity for the Telecoms helping to turn things around also. He has been pushing that shit from every angle why not tie it in here as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaaos View Post
    they halt trading if it falls a certain level and reopen i think an hour later if it keeps going to shit trading will stop for the day.
    Well that may save a few investment bankers lives tomorrow. But the rest of the country is fucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huey P. Freeman View Post
    Gotta throw in the part about immunity for the Telecoms helping to turn things around also. He has been pushing that shit from every angle why not tie it in here as well.
    No doubt......JMJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolemite73 View Post
    But the rest of the country is fucked.
    As evidenced by my 401k this year. There was some financial guru on MSNBC last week that said now is the time to get as liquid as possible. Sounded dire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMJ View Post
    Watch this get pinned by GWB (if the fingers get pointed at his administration) as more 9/11 fallout (wanna bet me $2 a share on this one?), with "stopping the war on terror" as the solution.

    Trust's.....JMJ
    He used that line about 9/11 w the economists during Fridays speech
    As for the charges against me, I am unconcerned. I am beyond their timid lying morality, and so I am beyond caring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palatine William Wilson View Post
    He used that line about 9/11 w the economists during Fridays speech
    has anyone caught the new Iraq theme going around inb the news?

    "Iraq things are getting better"

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    Dude, the Fed dropped the rate .25% on a freaking SUNDAY. Word is they are dropping it .75% more on Tuesday. The market is not going to like this at all. They are throwing good money after bad.
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    Rumor has it that Lehman Brothers may be next.

    The crash of 1987 also was helped by the slower computers of that time. It couldn't process the orders fast enough. Currently the system can handle extremely high volumes with ease. The volume of a normal trading day these days is easily 10X or more than back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolemite73 View Post
    Dude, the Fed dropped the rate .25% on a freaking SUNDAY. Word is they are dropping it .75% more on Tuesday. The market is not going to like this at all. They are throwing good money after bad.
    That's the discount rate (between banks) that was dropped. The Fed Funds rate may be cut 100bp (1%) on Tuesday.


    btw have you been reading my posts on the market? And yes you can tell Colin Powell to kma
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolemite73 View Post
    Dude, the Fed dropped the rate .25% on a freaking SUNDAY. Word is they are dropping it .75% more on Tuesday. The market is not going to like this at all. They are throwing good money after bad.
    They are trying to get the suckers (thats us) to keep spending.

    Unfortunately, we have no more collateral so the banks WON"T make any loans.

    some good advice for us all: don't quit your day job
    As for the charges against me, I am unconcerned. I am beyond their timid lying morality, and so I am beyond caring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Phi View Post
    That's the discount rate (between banks) that was dropped. The Fed Funds rate may be cut 100bp (1%) on Tuesday.


    btw have you been reading my posts on the market? And yes you can tell Colin Powell to kma
    Yea E, very insightful stuff. Colin Powell is concerned about this shit too. He has a 401K that is taking a beating as well. No need for him to complain about reading at a time like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palatine William Wilson View Post
    They are trying to get the suckers (thats us) to keep spending.

    Unfortunately, we have no more collateral so the banks WON"T make any loans.

    some good advice for us all: don't quit your day job
    Hell, the day jobs may start downsizing. You know how this creates a domino effect. Once they start falling.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolemite73 View Post
    Hell, the day jobs may start downsizing. You know how this creates a domino effect. Once they start falling.........
    whats frightening

    WE STILL HAVENT HIT BOTTOM!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palatine William Wilson View Post
    whats frightening

    WE STILL HAVENT HIT BOTTOM!!
    When Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs and the boys start falling, then we should get a good idea on how far the bottom is. And to think, Jim Cramer went nuts last summer warning of this very thing.....prophet?
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