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    12,000-year old temple complex found in Turkey

    It might not be as big as stonehenge, but what they are digging up seems remarkably well preserved, better than stonehenge.

    ...carvings on the pillars in the second video are outstanding.

    It will be quite the tourist attraction when they dig it all out.

    Very interesting indeed...

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    12,000-year old temple complex found in Turkey

    A temple dated to 9,500BC has been discovered in Turkey. The significance of this discovery cannot be overstated. Such a find has the potential to alter forever the existing paradigm of human development and demonstrates conclusively that complex societies existed in our most remote past, thousands of years before Stonehenge and the Giza Pyramids were built.
    Here is the article reporting excavations at the Turkish site:

    TURKEY: DISCOVERY OF 12,000-YEAR-OLD TEMPLE COMPLEX COULD ALTER THEORY OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
    Nicholas Birch 4/17/08
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    As a child, Klaus Schmidt used to grub around in caves in his native Germany in the hope of finding prehistoric paintings. Thirty years later, representing the German Archaeological Institute, he found something infinitely more important -- a temple complex almost twice as old as anything comparable on the planet.

    "This place is a supernova", says Schmidt, standing under a lone tree on a windswept hilltop 35 miles north of Turkey’s border with Syria. "Within a minute of first seeing it I knew I had two choices: go away and tell nobody, or spend the rest of my life working here."

    Behind him are the first folds of the Anatolian plateau. Ahead, the Mesopotamian plain, like a dust-colored sea, stretches south hundreds of miles to Baghdad and beyond. The stone circles of Gobekli Tepe are just in front, hidden under the brow of the hill.

    Compared to Stonehenge, Britain’s most famous prehistoric site, they are humble affairs. None of the circles excavated (four out of an estimated 20) are more than 30 meters across. What makes the discovery remarkable are the carvings of boars, foxes, lions, birds, snakes and scorpions, and their age. Dated at around 9,500 BC, these stones are 5,500 years older than the first cities of Mesopotamia, and 7,000 years older than Stonehenge.

    Never mind circular patterns or the stone-etchings, the people who erected this site did not even have pottery or cultivate wheat. They lived in villages. But they were hunters, not farmers.

    "Everybody used to think only complex, hierarchical civilizations could build such monumental sites, and that they only came about with the invention of agriculture", says Ian Hodder, a Stanford University Professor of Anthropology, who, since 1993, has directed digs at Catalhoyuk, Turkey’s most famous Neolithic site. "Gobekli changes everything. It’s elaborate, it’s complex and it is pre-agricultural. That fact alone makes the site one of the most important archaeological finds in a very long time."

    With only a fraction of the site opened up after a decade of excavations, Gobekli Tepe’s significance to the people who built it remains unclear. Some think the site was the center of a fertility rite, with the two tall stones at the center of each circle representing a man and woman.

    It’s a theory the tourist board in the nearby city of Urfa has taken up with alacrity. Visit the Garden of Eden, its brochures trumpet, see Adam and Eve.

    Schmidt is skeptical about the fertility theory. He agrees Gobekli Tepe may well be "the last flowering of a semi-nomadic world that farming was just about to destroy," and points out that if it is in near perfect condition today, it is because those who built it buried it soon after under tons of soil, as though its wild animal-rich world had lost all meaning.

    But the site is devoid of the fertility symbols that have been found at other Neolithic sites, and the T-shaped columns, while clearly semi-human, are sexless. "I think here we are face to face with the earliest representation of gods", says Schmidt, patting one of the biggest stones. "They have no eyes, no mouths, no faces. But they have arms and they have hands. They are makers."

    "In my opinion, the people who carved them were asking themselves the biggest questions of all," Schmidt continued. "What is this universe? Why are we here?"

    With no evidence of houses or graves near the stones, Schmidt believes the hill top was a site of pilgrimage for communities within a radius of roughly a hundred miles. He notes how the tallest stones all face southeast, as if scanning plains that are scattered with archeological sites in many ways no less remarkable than Gobekli Tepe.

    Last year, for instance, French archaeologists working at Djade al-Mughara in northern Syria uncovered the oldest mural ever found. "Two square meters of geometric shapes, in red, black and white - a bit like a Paul Klee painting," explains Eric Coqueugniot, the University of Lyon archaeologist who is leading the excavation.

    Coqueugniot describes Schmidt’s hypothesis that Gobekli Tepe was meeting point for feasts, rituals and sharing ideas as "tempting," given the site’s spectacular position. But he emphasizes that surveys of the region are still in their infancy. "Tomorrow, somebody might find somewhere even more dramatic."

    Director of a dig at Korpiktepe, on the Tigris River about 120 miles east of Urfa, Vecihi Ozkaya doubts the thousands of stone pots he has found since 2001 in hundreds of 11,500 year-old graves quite qualify as that. But his excitement fills his austere office at Dicle University in Diyarbakir.

    "Look at this", he says, pointing at a photo of an exquisitely carved sculpture showing an animal, half-human, half-lion. "It’s a sphinx, thousands of years before Egypt. Southeastern Turkey, northern Syria - this region saw the wedding night of our civilization."





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    Greeting's Dave.

    It's funny how the Earth shift and thing's that's been burried for age's pop up!?!?
    This is interesting and telling at the same time.
    Thank's for posting this!!

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    Existance is only 10,000 years old statement has once again been shot it the ass..............Gezzzzz I love it!

    Good one Dave, gonna save it in my youtube files and show it to my kids.

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    Great stuff. Thanks for posting David.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY View Post
    Existance is only 10,000 years old statement has once again been shot it the ass..............Gezzzzz I love it!

    Good one Dave, gonna save it in my youtube files and show it to my kids.
    Clearly, it's the work of the devil

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    I wonder what the first thought was when humans, or at least one of our evolutionary ancestors, first gained the concious thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY View Post
    Existance is only 10,000 years old statement has once again been shot it the ass..............Gezzzzz I love it!

    Good one Dave, gonna save it in my youtube files and show it to my kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dj Pat View Post
    Greeting's Dave.

    It's funny how the Earth shift and thing's that's been burried for age's pop up!?!?
    This is interesting and telling at the same time.
    Thank's for posting this!!

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    Greetings Dj Pat

    Just so happens that I will have the opportunity to be in that area of the planet (Istanbul) this wkend...so I am going to look for local info/pic's re this.

    Needless to say I am very excited about this.

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    We have been lied to from the start. Time for us to wake up and take the blind fold off our eyes...

    Time to break our chains...

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    Thank you David! Awaiting the result of your researches...!
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    thanks David.....

    i'll have to wait a while before i can agree with the findings on this one however.

    i still think this current populated world (not the earth) is MUCH younger than 12,000 years....

    the jewish calender is on the year 5768.... which more or less coincides with this.....

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/334517.stm

    is there other sources which can substantiate these findings?

    reason i ask is because.......

    i learned that the news agency which broke this story (Eurasianet.org) is George Soros owned.

    http://www.soros.org/about

    (EurasiaNet is operated by the Central Eurasia Project of the Open Society Institute)

    George Soros name appears on a list of "Famous Athiests" along with a chap by the name of Matt Ridley who is quoted as saying....

    "The Asian tsunami was not an act of god but 9/11 was." Matt Ridley

    here is a link....

    http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache...&client=safari

    hmmmm, i wonder if there could be any media bias/slant involved in this report.....

    oh well...

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    Greetings - Did some searches and checked a few of these links out....

    Turkey: Discovery of 12,000-year-old Temple Complex Could Alter Theory of Human Development
    BY NICHOLAS BIRCH
    As a child, Klaus Schmidt used to grub around in caves in his native Germany in the hope of finding prehistoric paintings. Thirty years later, representing the German Archaeological Institute, he found something infinitely more important -- a temple complex almost twice as old as anything comparable on the planet.

    www.eurasianet.org
    Photos of the site in southern Turkey and carvings at:
    link to www.lswn.it
    Possibly the oldest known statue of a human being, found at Gobekli Tepe:
    www.thefirstpost.co.uk

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    Good morning/afternoon to you Martin
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    Quote Originally Posted by david_mancuso View Post
    I wonder what the first thought was when humans, or at least one of our evolutionary ancestors, first gained the concious thought.
    Fucking

    Whilst listening to music

    Then they got hungry and had to think about someplace to sleep, then they thought should have saved to fucking until later as they know fancied a nap by the fire they haven't yet built

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Red View Post
    Fucking

    Whilst listening to music

    Then they got hungry and had to think about someplace to sleep, then they thought should have saved to fucking until later as they know fancied a nap by the fire they haven't yet built
    and so it begins...
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    ya'll are SILLY!!

    Thank you for the other links...this is fascinating stuff to me...i'm such a geek most of the time...

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    Thanks Dave, what a great find!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrazenMuse View Post
    Thank you David! Awaiting the result of your researches...!
    I am here now with my friend who tells me that it is a 2 hr flight from Istanbul near Iraq. He studies archeology and is familar with this site.

    Now on the Europe side facing the Asia side in Istanbul aka instant karma
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY View Post
    Existance is only 10,000 years old statement has once again been shot it the ass..............Gezzzzz I love it!

    Good one Dave, gonna save it in my youtube files and show it to my kids.
    This is when interpretations from the bible are taken literally. If people actually looked up the words in the concordance dictionary there were several "ages" of the world. There will be more remains found older than that, wait and see.
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