An apology from Steve Dahl

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

Yep, It got so bad that almost any record done by an black artist from 1976-1980 was considered a disco record by the industry. That really hurt r&b back then because every black artist had to a disco record to be heard. Even rock artists like KISS and the Rolling Stone did disco records to keep up. Nelson George wrote a great book called The Death of R&B, that documents this well.

But werent some of those rock disco records great?If ya think im sexy is a great song,miss you is great,kiss you all over is great,macho city is great.I bought a album by the great aretha franklin called La Diva which is a disco record and it sucks.Proving that everyone jumped on the bandwagon.

[djmarbll]

Funny you should mention this,a friend and i had a disagreement about this very issue.I am for the gospel house,most of it is fun and you must be soulless if you cant feel what a susu bobien is singing about religious or not.Most of the other stuff is quite dreadful,i go to traxsource often and cant find anything that gives me that excited feeling.You would have to be into singers to appreciate singers.

Yeah, I have to scroll thru traxsource and beatport for a while before I find something that doesn't sound redundant.

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

Yeah, I have to scroll thru traxsource and beatport for a while before I find something that doesn't sound redundant.

LOL.According to a quote on Jahsonic(a vocabulary of culture)its joe Clausells fault.Dont know about that,do know alot of it sucks.Last record that got me exicted was Trina Broussard joy and that was damn near 100 years ago in house years.Not knocking anyone,it has seriously put a break on my going out.People like what they like i suppose,its just not for me.

[djmarbll]

But werent some of those rock disco records great?If ya think im sexy is a great song,miss you is great,kiss you all over is great,macho city is great.I bought a album by the great aretha franklin called La Diva which is a disco record and it sucks.Proving that everyone jumped on the bandwagon.

Ironically, the disco records done by rock artists were their best sellers, even to this day. KISS's "I Was Made for Loving You", Stones' "Miss You" and "Emotional Rescue", Rod Stewart's "If You Think I'm Sexy" all sold millions of copies. Aretha's album La Diva is an example of Nelson George's point in his book. Black artists were being pigeonholed into making whole disco albums (that often sucked) while rock artists, who were primarily white, were able to make a disco single and still survive. It still got out of control once Ethel Merman released a disco version of "No Business Like Show Business". Disco showed the intense greed of the record industry. Before then, companies in unrelated fields weren't even interested in the music business. Then disco emerged (along with a guy named Peter Frampton) and oil and film companies began buying into record labels. It totally fizzled out by 1981 though. By that time hip-hop already had an NYC scene and was catching on in other places. Dance music slowed down, the strings were often replaced by synths, and the music got really funky. Dance music during this time period (roughly 1981-1985) is now referred to as "boogie". Personally I consider boogie the bridge between disco and house.

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

You mean stuff like Love injection and Live in me by rufus and chaka.And Final Edition "betcha cant love just one"when you refer to boogie right?

[wiz247]

Ironically, the disco records done by rock artists were their best sellers, even to this day. KISS's "I Was Made for Loving You", Stones' "Miss You" and "Emotional Rescue", Rod Stewart's "If You Think I'm Sexy" all sold millions of copies. Aretha's album La Diva is an example of Nelson George's point in his book. Black artists were being pigeonholed into making whole disco albums (that often sucked) while rock artists, who were primarily white, were able to make a disco single and still survive. It still got out of control once Ethel Merman released a disco version of "No Business Like Show Business". Disco showed the intense greed of the record industry. Before then, companies in unrelated fields weren't even interested in the music business. Then disco emerged (along with a guy named Peter Frampton) and oil and film companies began buying into record labels. It totally fizzled out by 1981 though. By that time hip-hop already had an NYC scene and was catching on in other places. Dance music slowed down, the strings were often replaced by synths, and the music got really funky. Dance music during this time period (roughly 1981-1985) is now referred to as "boogie". Personally I consider boogie the bridge between disco and house.

Quote: Dance music during this time period (roughly 1981-1985) is now referred to as "boogie". Personally I consider boogie the bridge between disco and house.
Mos Def!!

[djmarbll]

You mean stuff like Love injection and Live in me by rufus and chaka.And Final Edition "betcha cant love just one"when you refer to boogie right?

Nowadays we do. But back when those songs came out, it was still considered disco or r&b. Leroy Burgess (who's considered the king of boogie because of his seminal work with LOGG, Conversion, Fonda Rae, the Aleems, and many others) once said boogie is still disco, but just slowed down and funkier. The LOGG album is probably the pinnacle of this definition and has been the standard by which all other boogie and dance records of that time have been measured.

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

Got something by Logg called"i know you will"very enjoyable.

[TAD]

You would have to be into "real" singers to appreciate real singing.

fixed.

[Jamie 3:26]

E,I love that book by Nelson.

The wild thing is,when black stations were playing all types of white records,I thought it was dope.Come to find out,it was all a move to crossover white artists.

[djmarbll]

E,I love that book by Nelson.

The wild thing is,when black stations were playing all types of white records,I thought it was dope.Come to find out,it was all a move to crossover white artists.

Exactly. It was no problem for WVON to play Elton John back in the day, buy it was rare to hear Stevie Wonder on the Loop back then.

[djmarbll]

Got something by Logg called"i know you will"very enjoyable.

Imagine the whole album with songs at least as enjoyable "I Know You Will". That's the Logg album. It's priecy not only because of rarity but because its probably the best full-length dance record since the Phreek album, which was also partially produced by Burgess.

[Boriafro]

Usually on July 12th I like to rip into Steve Dahl a bit and make fun of the Disco Demolition fiasco of '79...last year I hunted him down and demanded a written apology for crimes against disco.



29 years later and WE'RE STILL HERE Steve!

Play your disco records loud today in honor of those that were lost in the Comiskey Park massacre.

GOD is a dj, Disco/House lives!!!!!!!

[DJJM3.COM]

Hip-hop and r&b are shadows of their former selves now. With the exception of Lil Wayne, hip-hop is in serious trouble as a genre. The whole industry is in serious trouble really because of how cast the mediums in which we listen to and buy music have changed. In 1979, it was mainly vinyl we bought. Nowadays, we can buy music without even leaving the house and listen to it wirelessly.

This was evident in the 2001-2004 the industry was fighting napster, but napster wasnt the full problem. It was 1-2 punch after the industry rebuilt itself. Plus the way it tracks music sales...there was no way to slick the system as it did with vinyl/CD sales.....the internet changed it as well....

[djroc2u]

i've heard similar comments from so called "deep house" jocks regarding house artists like michael watford for example..

threads about that "annoying" gospel house are in the archives.

funny thing was at the time, italo disco and hi NRG was being played here and anyone that was living in this FAIR city know that it was(and still is to some extent) segregated. thats why i used the logg album as an example(a wailing voice thats on slow to midtempo dance music thats considered black) wasnt trying to be heard in certain audiences in dance clubs(if they werent turned into c and w bars and workout spots- thanks john travolta- lol). theres certain jocks i know personally that i wanna get a HOMIE THE CLOWN bat and pop them upside the head just to let them know that if that wailing voice wasnt there, this music wouldnt have been here.

and for someone to say race had nothing to do with the disco demo., i just want to tell them its a difference reading a book and being in that environment at the time.

[Slyde]

djroc2u...I know better than to get into race stuff here, but I don't learn as much that way, so I very much appreciate your Chicago perspective reply earlier in the thread...you'll have to excuse me for looking at this event more in terms of the larger symbolism of what went on...I feel like the second game of the doubleheader was played 10 years later and both Chicago AND Detroit won...I just really love the poetic justice of that...sorry for my ignorance about your side and what you guys continue to deal with...

But, I am more aware than to imply that race had NOTHING to do with it...I just think there was a lot more to it than that...it was essentially a radio format war that just happened to tap into something ugly that day...white people haven't bothered to riot against something they DIDN'T like since the American revolution most of the time it's just booze and a mob mentality that gets out of control for no good reason other than boredom...a similar baseball fiasco happened in 1974 at a 10 cent beer night in Cleveland...in Montreal this year there was looting and police cars on fire because our hockey team made it into the FIRST ROUND of the playoffs!...some people must be wound up so tight they'll take any excuse to "run out onto the field" so to speak...

I don't mean to downplay the fact that racism is a lot more real in places I've never been, and especially 30 years ago...it's just that I think the beautiful thing about disco was that it was truly a multicultural creation and melting pot of every other kind of music around...that's why it resonated with so many people and scared the rest of them...

Thanks again for taking the time to share your side of this

[Slyde]

"Rock n' roll ain't nothin' but rhythm & blues uptempo, and rhythm & blues uptempo is boogie woogie!"

-Little Richard

[Fletch]

Yep, It got so bad that almost any record done by an black artist from 1976-1980 was considered a disco record by the industry. That really hurt r&b back then because every black artist had to a disco record to be heard. Even rock artists like KISS and the Rolling Stone did disco records to keep up. Nelson George wrote a great book called The Death of R&B, that documents this well.

This post, plus the Nelson George book, hit it right on the head! Remember, it wasn't just the musicians who were hit. A lot of record company employees lost jobs due to the backlash as well.

Anyone who thinks that Disco Sucks wasn't anti-black really wasn't there to witness it! When Parliament (which is faaaaar from disco as it gets) gets labled disco, then you know what's up!

Oh, yeah, any reason why Nile and Bernard, who literally influenced EVERY pop/rock group that was out of the late 70s and early 80s, are not in the rock and roll hall of fame?

FYI, Saturday Night Fever, the posterchild of mainstream disco, is still the biggest selling soundtrack ever, and deservedly so!

[Fletch]

E,I love that book by Nelson.

The wild thing is,when black stations were playing all types of white records,I thought it was dope.Come to find out,it was all a move to crossover white artists.

Frankie Crocker was the king of 'white record programming'. Playing Fran Joli (get over you) and the Stones (miss you) influenced a lot of Black program directors to do the same thing.

The Z stations took a page out of Frankie's book and played Lisa Stansfield records.

[Fletch]

France Joli

.....and these records sucked???????

http://youtube.com/watch?v=m-lY0EceLFk&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U5FfwCuWhOg&feature=related

[djmarbll]

This post, plus the Nelson George book, hit it right on the head! Remember, it wasn't just the musicians who were hit. A lot of record company employees lost jobs due to the backlash as well.

Anyone who thinks that Disco Sucks wasn't anti-black really wasn't there to witness it! When Parliament (which is faaaaar from disco as it gets) gets labled disco, then you know what's up!

Oh, yeah, any reason why Nile and Bernard, who literally influenced EVERY pop/rock group that was out of the late 70s and early 80s, are not in the rock and roll hall of fame?

FYI, Saturday Night Fever, the posterchild of mainstream disco, is still the biggest selling soundtrack ever, and deservedly so!

I didn't know Nile Rodgers wasn't in the Rock and Roll HOF. That's insane. He did make a comment about how The Knack's "My Sherona" was pushed as the next sound when disco was still going strong. Rodgers has also said that the disco sucks movement was racially motivated. He was also a Black Panther at one time. I wonder if that has anything to do with it.

[DJJM3.COM]

Yo djroc2u-- Karma is a mutha- the creater of the backlash got some backlash.....

http://www.suntimes.com/business/fed...eder18.article


Dahl, Stern again fall short in Radio Hall of Fame voting

July 18, 2008Recommend (2)

BY ROBERT FEDER Sun-Times Columnist
Chicago's Steve Dahl and New York's Howard Stern again have been aced out of the Radio Hall of Fame.

The two notably influential and celebrated personalities failed to make the cut this year in online voting that was free and open to the public for the first time.



Chicago's Steve Dahl (left) and New York's Howard Stern again have been aced out of the Radio Hall of Fame.
(John J. Kim/Sun-Times/AP)


Inductees named Thursday to the Chicago-based Hall of Fame include Boston's Howie Carr, who blew past Dahl and two others in the local/regional category, and Dr. James Dobson's "Focus on the Family," which beat Stern and two others in the national category.

Carr mounted an all-out effort to encourage listeners to vote for him, while Dahl remained more passive this time (although he did get public expressions of support from such media luminaries as Richard Roeper and Bob Sirott.) As usual, Stern ignored it all.

The nomination for Dobson's syndicated radio show sparked a nationwide protest by the gay rights group TruthWinsOut.org, which objected to Dobson's views against homosexuality.

Other winners announced Thursday included Art Bell in the national pioneer category, Charlie Tuna in the local/regional pioneer category, and Mickey Luckoff, president and general manager of KGO-AM in San Francisco.

Previously announced as posthumous inductees are Bob Collins, former morning kingpin of Tribune Co.-owned news/talk WGN-AM (720), Jess Cain of Boston and Dick Whittinghill of Los Angeles.

Winners will be inducted Nov. 8 at the Renaissance Chicago Hotel. The black-tie event will be broadcast nationally by Westwood One.