what is weak is you defending your friends when its clear they were wrong and they operate in the county with an outrageous history, i thought you would know better, bmuse is just ignorant, you should know better, and you do know better
Originally Posted by djdub63
Here's my thing...
Originally Posted by djdub63
1. I don't think you're a redneck cracker, not even close. I do think you have close ties to individuals and you are mistakenly transposing the individuals and the overall situation. Good people get caught up in bad shit all the time. Truth be told, the 2 people you know, they may have only been following faulty orders or they may have not had anything to do with how this went down. They specifically may not be quilty of anything, it doesn't change the fact that how this DID go down was wrong.
2. I'm not talking about any specific person or people. I'm talking about an overall culture lacking accountability and a history of excessiveness. I mean, this is something going back decades and decades.
3. I know a few PG county cops (including the one you mentioned). The ones I know are good people. They are people I would trust and would never in a million years think of them as trigger happy sadists. I've also had more than one PG County Cop agree that you don't fuck around with PG county, they WILL shoot your ass.
The problem is, again, I'm not talking about individual people, I'm talking about an overall organization that has time and time again proven they will not hold themselves accountable when someone in their ranks does wrong. That kind of lack of accountability encourages the worst in their ranks, and doesn't deter the borderlines. The good ones are going to be good ones, but even they get hoodwinked into "going along" sometimes for their careers, their safety, or their sense of brotherhood.
The bad part about an all-enveloping, overwhelming group (which is what being a police officer can often be) is that truth be told, I would be willing to bet that in some way, shape or form, most of these cops that HAVE done foul things to people...... don't think they did anything wrong. They think they were justified in their actions and the fact that the force simply doesn't hold them accountable only encourages that line of thinking.
It only encourages the delusion that you were justified in following a guy that doesn't match the description through 3 jurisdictions, rolling up on him in unmarked cars, coming at him with a gun and then shooting him when he panics.
If over the years, the force as a whole had stood up and said "you know, that was wrong, you have to face the consequences" the individuals would be more likely to show more restraint because over time, there are more and more lines drawn in the sand to say "this isn't right" "that isn't the correct way to police" "you don't shoot someone like that"
More importantly, people wouldn't be forced to paint the entire force with such a broad stroke. If cops want people to respect them, they OWE it to their communities to rid their ranks of people who don't abide the laws they are enforcing. Putting up the wall to protect their own only fosters the overall distrust.
Just my "I know a few good individuals but I still don't trust cops" opinion.
There is no excuse to shoot a Lab. I am not putting these dogs above humans (of course) but this shows the mentality of PG Law Enforcement, and SWAT teams all over the US: shoot first to 'protect' yourself. Wearing all that armour they do, what the fuck is a Labbie bite gonna do, maybe break the skin? Big deal, if he actually does bite you, then kill him. Whats the big loss, a bit of your skin in exchange for an innocent life?
I guess they were JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS.