Can the chicago muzic scene be united like the past..

**Boo Williams** · 05-01-2003, 04:59 PM

I just wanted to know, if you think that the
chicago scene, can macth up to the past.
because back in the days, the house scene was
pretty tight.
chicago had unity and respect for others.
please tell me what you think.... [img]graemlins/acclaim.gif[/img]

**JMJ** · 05-01-2003, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by I'm a Friend:
I just wanted to know, if you think that the
chicago scene, can macth up to the past.
because back in the days, the house scene was
pretty tight.
chicago had unity and respect for others.
please tell me what you think.... [img]graemlins/acclaim.gif[/img]

When exactly was this??.....JMJ

Hk · 05-01-2003, 05:30 PM

I aint no fish but I am biting on this 1 (as the author, if they considered 'Hk!'s' thought process [and action process], knew I would.

HELL YEAH!

Should and could be better than that...we need Fingers back....but there are tons of brotha and sistas who enjoy the music.....(this has too many angles to attack and I feel like a f*cking carp right at this moment but no shame cuz this aint no game).

Man, if these dudes came together and believed in the large collective--WHICH--gets everybody paid.....and each supported each in some way, shape or fashion---they'd be paid and doing what they enjoy most. Their own boss. And again, as Malcolm said, we now have to put aside our petty differences and come to see and treat each other under a new light.

Actions speak louder than words, FYI, I got energy by the tons and deem it worthy of trying for....(but of what of you?)

Don't matter, when the time is right, I'll ask any of you cats to come to the table for something larger.....but, ya cant be a snitch, TOM, Fed, ex-G-boy, or Central.....(some things cant be set aside).....

Is that what you wanted to see.....

[img]graemlins/acclaim.gif[/img]

(ps, the real Big pieces have to believe first, not the grunts like me....)

Peace!

**däp** · 05-01-2003, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by I'm a Friend:
I just wanted to know, if you think that the
chicago scene, can macth up to the past.
because back in the days, the house scene was
pretty tight.
chicago had unity and respect for others.
please tell me what you think.... [img]graemlins/acclaim.gif[/img]

When exactly was this??.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]ditto

Hk · 05-02-2003, 05:17 AM

A couple other side comments....

To JMJ and torin: (considering your response)..

If it never happened and isnt now, doesnt that mean U aint doing shit? (i.e., taking/making steps for it to happen)....no offense and I aint trying to be brash, just looking at it for what it is....(maybe)

Does anybody think big around here? What about the whole scene and changing it....If music is tool, then why do you cats feel so unempowered...?

FYI, the moment I stop believing.....Im out!

I get the feeling their agents in the camp sowing dissension or, flat-out, U egotistical muthasumthins dont want nothing but confusion......cuz when you want something, The Creator typcially gives it to you---

**DJJM3.COM** · 05-02-2003, 06:19 AM

Unfortunatly until African Americans embrace House as a "Black Thang". It will stay pretty much as it is now........

**JMJ** · 05-02-2003, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Hk:
A couple other side comments....

To JMJ and torin: (considering your response)..

If it never happened and isnt now, doesnt that mean U aint doing shit? (i.e., taking/making steps for it to happen)....no offense and I aint trying to be brash, just looking at it for what it is....(maybe)

Does anybody think big around here? What about the whole scene and changing it....If music is tool, then why do you cats feel so unempowered...?

FYI, the moment I stop believing.....Im out!

I get the feeling their agents in the camp sowing dissension or, flat-out, U egotistical muthasumthins dont want nothing but confusion......cuz when you want something, The Creator typcially gives it to you---

Hk - For those of us around for the "first wave" of Chicago house (the beginning), PLUR never existed, sad to say, which properly explains the reactions to the earlier post by Torin and I. I'm not going to dwell on the negatives, because that was almost 20 years ago and it's pointless, but it never existed. I walked away from the Chciago scene in 1987 and never looked back before re-emerging last year. While I stayed active as a DJ, I avoided the Chicago scene altogether, continuing to build on what I started in the south suburbs and NW Indiana. The idea of unity is a good one, especially now when you've got more DJ's than venues, and everybody is fighting for a sliver of what's left of the pie, and a collective of ideas and resources may be the only thing that can save the scene in Chicago. I'm willing to listen and work with virtually anybody with the same vision of what could be, and I know who my friends are. Will PLUR happen here amongst the movers and shakers in Chicago?? Only time will tell, but don't hold your breath.....JMJ

**Koffy Brown** · 05-02-2003, 08:28 AM

I say Chicago housers wyne and cry too damn much..move the scene a little bit to the east and south of chicago (cincinnati), maybe you'll find some heads who truly appreciate it...

**Jamie 3:26** · 05-02-2003, 08:34 AM

Music and Whine-Blue 6.

Honestly my opinion on this...hell naw.I have seen and experienced the shit that goes down.Folks can be downright funky when it comes to this dj shit.Folks will be cool with ya until you start doing some shit that is knockin at their ass or better than what they are on.I know now from experience who is cool and who is real.I know who the fakes and phonies are.That's one reason why I do not go to a lot of events here.If you see me out ,it's usually at the same spots I hit up when I do venture out.

I have had folks say ill shit about me,lie on me,smile in my face and spit in my drink,if ya get my drift.Experiencing this had turned me into a totally different person.I do not know how famous people do it.Not saying I am famous and shit,no ego trippin' here.Now I understand why some of them have drug and alcohol problems....

**JMJ** · 05-02-2003, 08:42 AM

I didn't think you noticed the spit in your beer. Good eyes. It was mostly phlegm....JMJ [img]biggrinangel.gif[/img]

**Oak Pk, IL's Best Bedroom DJ, serge** · 05-02-2003, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
I say Chicago housers wyne and cry too damn much..move the scene a little bit to the east and south of chicago (cincinnati), maybe you'll find some heads who truly appreciate it...

Very perceptive, Miss Ashaki. I totally agree with moving the scene and exposing virgin ears to it. It would be to the benefit of the music and help in it's survival.

We're beating a dead horse here in Chicago.

Hk · 05-02-2003, 02:17 PM

Hmmmm.....I hear ya.

Thanks for taking it the way I meant it, not abrasive like I always come off (my apologies).

Well 3:26 we both got 9's, and me a host of other shit, how bout we wear Klan helmuts and liquidate these haters!...(teasing, but I feel this way often)....

Working togehter can only create new energy, new blood, new vibes....new times, new connections and networks, new ideas, more resources and perhaps success! What the hell gives?

I guess I should ask does anyone want cohesion and a better tomorrow? (F-that Mass PLUR notion)

Cinci area; its good to broaden the distance and depth of House listeners. If people are as intelligent as they purport, they'd come up with ways of doing what they wanna do(but sheeez, that maybe what they're doing now----hating and causing dissension among our people). Every city or town is important, but we have to first make sure the culture of House music is redefined!....(sorry, I dont buy, for one nano-second, that the music is homosexual music. Yeah sure some where, many werent!...Some are, I aint, so once the stigma of it being Gay music is detached, I'd imagine, DJ JM3, that more African Americans would support it!(I do agree with you tho)....

Worry not, as I develop, you'll be hearing from me on this indispensable crisis.

**däp** · 05-02-2003, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Hk:
A couple other side comments....

To JMJ and torin: (considering your response)..

If it never happened and isnt now, doesnt that mean U aint doing shit? (i.e., taking/making steps for it to happen)....no offense and I aint trying to be brash, just looking at it for what it is....(maybe)

Does anybody think big around here? What about the whole scene and changing it....If music is tool, then why do you cats feel so unempowered...?

FYI, the moment I stop believing.....Im out!

to answer your first question, no. to answer the question of the thread, i've never known this unity that IaF claims to have existed back in the day. maybe i was too young or too sheltered but, there have always been camps. those camps break up (for various resaons) and folks go their seperate ways. you rarely see camps anymore (GU recently introduced one with the urban heirs).

not going to go into a big thing about the many talented individuals with whom i've worked and continue to work but, the one thing that unites us all is our love for the music, personalities (egos) and skills aside.

[ May 02, 2003, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: torin ]

**däp** · 05-02-2003, 03:52 PM

[ May 02, 2003, 04:52 PM: Message edited by: torin ]

**fred da warrior** · 05-02-2003, 03:53 PM

I think some of us confuse unity with uniformity.....

**SMOOTH87** · 05-02-2003, 06:53 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
[QB] Music and Whine-Blue 6.

Folks will be cool with ya until you start doing some shit that is knockin at their ass or better than what they are on.I know now from experience who is cool and who is real.I know who the fakes and phonies are.

Ditto... The funny thing is that when you look closely at the negatives and haters you notice they have not put their work in to get somewhere but they are the first to pass judgement. If you work hard it will pay off... You are dead in the game when you stop striving to do better and to improve yourself. Never get comfortable...

It would be nice if their could be unity.....

**Boo Williams** · 05-03-2003, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by fred:
I think some of us confuse unity with uniformity.....

I'm not confuse with the word unity,
let me just tell you what I mean.
back in the day their was a such thing as unity
in the chi.
because it was so many parties going on, and
people always were their supporting each other
event.
you see, their was not that many dj's out playing
like their is now.
because they were either at the Ron or frankie
lil louis party.
chicago had a lot of things going on with the
party scene.
so it had to be some type of unity their,
everybody I was kickin it with was trying to
go to every Damn party they could.
just think about all the party and events
you went to.
their had to be some type of unity. and to
see the same people at every party you went to.
come on man be for real... [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[ May 03, 2003, 08:07 AM: Message edited by: I'm a Friend ]

Hk · 05-03-2003, 07:06 AM

That's good advice Smooth87....

(personally, I tend to be very judgemental, but I honestly mean it---I believe with love (the type of criticism that you mean constructively) with slight tinges of personal bias, I cant lie!

Overall, the same thing would imply in Life too, hunh.

On point though, Torin I dont believe black people ever had unity, but the concept alone scares people off. It's worthy of work for.

3:26, I agree sometimes with a comment you made in another thread--about not sharing ALL your ideas on this thing, but this aint the tip of the iceberg for me..... [img]smile.gif[/img] ....so, its no thing.

I aint trying to change no body save myself, and hopefully muthaF*ckas will get the same picture, and start approaching some model of good and productivity, where, WE CAN FEED OUR FAMLIES, in the future.

"We have to begin to see ourselves in a new light, with respect as brotha and sistas"....then everything will change around us!

(this battle is worth fighting for) [img]mad1.gif[/img]

**däp** · 05-03-2003, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by I'm a Friend:
I'm not confuse with the word unity,
let me just tell you what I mean.
back in the day their was a such thing as unity
in the chi.
because it was so many parties going on, and
people always were their supporting each other
event.
you see, their was not that many dj's out playing
like their is now.
because they were either at the Ron or frankie
lil louis party.
chicago had a lot of things going on with the
party scene.
so it had to be some type of unity their,
everybody I was kickin it with was trying to
go to every Damn party they could.
just think about all the party and events
you went to.
their had to be some type of unity. and to
see the same people at every party you went to.
come on man be for real... [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

ok. peace. i misunderstood. but my statement is even more truthful and speaks directly to your question. the music is what unifies us. you're right, there are so many dj's. i think the untiy appears watered down because everyone has their favorites (jocks, clubs etc...) and there are so many from which to choose. back in the day, there were only a few clubs with virtually no variation in the music (except the frankie, ron, louis thing).

not sure it'll ever go back because of the saturation in the market.

i do believe it has evloved. for better or worse, i don't know. thoughts?

**DJJM3.COM** · 05-04-2003, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Ashaki:
I say Chicago housers wyne and cry too damn much..move the scene a little bit to the east and south of chicago (cincinnati), maybe you'll find some heads who truly appreciate it...

This aligns closely with the statement: "Sometimes you have to go away from home to be appreciated at home....."

To the "unitformity" comment.....

One thing that "Uniformity" and "Unity" contain one key phrase "UNIT" which means simply "one" or the same..........

Glenn UndergroundChicago's Very Own · 05-04-2003, 03:07 PM

Once people find their nicth a do the damn thing, you see it never left, but this is the season for hateraid, once we clear that up then the true scene can cascade, finding your nicth is every thing, and the scene is actually betta, B W, do yo own thang and it will manifest it self, i aint worried about the past, its ova thats one problem this same type of Q & A pops up once a year on this board and the nu jacks see it, we need to plant betta seeds 4 them, but i fill you on the Q but you know what needs be done, its like prophecy its all about the future, do you agree BW?. [img]graemlins/respekt.gif[/img]

**Boo Williams** · 05-04-2003, 06:05 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GU aka CVO:
Once people find their nicth a do the damn thing, you see it never left, but this is the season for hateraid, once we clear that up then the true scene can cascade, finding your nicth is every thing, and the scene is actually betta, B W, do yo own thang and it will manifest it self, i aint worried about the past, its ova thats one problem this same type of Q & A pops up once a year on this board and the nu jacks see it, we need to plant betta seeds 4 them, but i fill you on the Q but you know what needs be done, its like prophecy its all about the future, do you agree BW?. [img]graemlins/respekt.gif[/img] [/QUOTE

Like Roy Ayers said:
Love will Bring us back together forever... [img]graemlins/clap.gif[/img]

**steve** · 05-04-2003, 09:36 PM

What were the different camps and who were a part of them?
I scene some animosity amongst certain artist from reading this message
board but maybe I shouldn't mention any names.
I also notice some Chicago artist who enjoy international success but are not
acknowledged here.

Originally posted by torin:
[/QUOTE]to answer your first question, no. to answer the question of the thread, i've never known this unity that IaF claims to have existed back in the day. maybe i was too young or too sheltered but, there have always been camps. those camps break up (for various resaons) and folks go their seperate ways. you rarely see camps anymore (GU recently introduced one with the urban heirs).
[/QB][/QUOTE]

Glenn UndergroundChicago's Very Own · 05-04-2003, 11:51 PM

[quote]Originally posted by I'm a Friend:

Originally posted by GU aka CVO:
Once people find their nicth a do the damn thing, you see it never left, but this is the season for hateraid, once we clear that up then the true scene can cascade, finding your nicth is every thing, and the scene is actually betta, B W, do yo own thang and it will manifest it self, i aint worried about the past, its ova thats one problem this same type of Q & A pops up once a year on this board and the nu jacks see it, we need to plant betta seeds 4 them, but i fill you on the Q but you know what needs be done, its like prophecy its all about the future, do you agree BW?. [img]graemlins/respekt.gif[/img] [/QUOTE

Like Roy Ayers said:
Love will Bring us back together forever... [img]graemlins/clap.gif[/img]

And you know this man!

**richierich** · 05-05-2003, 08:53 AM

I don't think that things are supposed to be like they were before.. it's called evolution. I say treat today like it's the first day of something that is starting anew. Just because it's not the same does not mean that it can't be just as good or better. If I didn't think that it could continue on.... I wouldn't be wasting my time.

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