As happy as I am, Proposition 8, wtf.

[dag]

Sorry money...nothing can replace a good woman for me.......and I aint anti-gay, I just dont believe your choice of lifestyle should be confused with the institution of marriage.

why do you think anyone would choose a life which subjects them to inequality and violence?

if you arent a scared clost case, you are simply a bigot, no different than any redneck that forced someone with dark skin to stand in the back of the bus, or deny access to the same drinking fountains as everyone else.

Don't lie, you dont have any gay friends, because nobody would want to deny their friends the same rights they have.

[Dolemite73]

this is a bad strategy to persuade black voters

Probably. It is a little nuanced. I just don't understand how folks are down with denying people the same rights they have just because they are "different".

[Moksha]

Some of my best friends are gay

[dag]

not completely sure wat this is, but, it looks like a very bad idea

millions upon millions of murdered people would agree with you. Those are the symbols nazis tattooed on their victims to classify them as belonging to one group or another.

The system was broken down to political dissidents, criminals, immigrants, religious, homosexual, those not wanting to work for the nazi system, and of course all of those combined for the jews.

Like the bigoted stance that madmixer enjoys, there was the typical irony that many nazis were themselves as gay as the modern right wing republicans.

[ngeso]

millions upon millions of murdered people would agree with you. Those are the symbols nazis tattooed on their victims to classify them as belonging to one group or another.

The system was broken down to political dissidents, criminals, immigrants, religious, homosexual, those not wanting to work for the nazi system, and of course all of those combined for the jews.

Like the bigoted stance that madmixer enjoys, there was the typical irony that many nazis were themselves as gay as the modern right wing republicans.

Correction, those are not tattoos but badges to be applied to clothing.

...

[Moksha]

not completely sure wat this is, but, it looks like a very bad idea

yes, it was a very bad idea.

[Elbert Phillips]

sad that folks would go out and proudly vote for a black man and then vote to discriminate five minutes later

Exit polls reveal some trends:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI01p1

Vote by Race
Total Yes No

White (63%)	49%	51%
African-American (10%)	70%	30%
Latino (18%)	53%	47%
Asian (6%)	49%	51%
Other (3%)	51%	49%

In the words of Chris Rock, on gay marriage: "Gay folks have a right to be just as miserable straight people"

[david_mancuso]

a lot of people i spoke with about that proposition were confused. they thought by voting yes that it would be FOR helping gay rights. i met about 4 people i had to explain that prop to, and one of them was still confused after i had explained it. YES ON 8 means you're against gay rights/marriage and NO ON 8 means you're for it. it was very confusing for a lot of people.

Agreed.

It is set up that way for sure.

Have a great day AD!

[dag]

Correction, those are not tattoos but badges to be applied to clothing.

...

ah, thx for the clarification. As jews were tattooed with numbers, i mixed something up.

Tattoo or badge, the result was always disgusting :(

[Pang]

why do you think anyone would choose a life which subjects them to inequality and violence?

if you arent a scared clost case, you are simply a bigot, no different than any redneck that forced someone with dark skin to stand in the back of the bus, or deny access to the same drinking fountains as everyone else.

Don't lie, you dont have any gay friends, because nobody would want to deny their friends the same rights they have.

deep.

[Ish]

are yo usure you arent in the closet? its always the most staunch anti gay types that end up wide stancing in airport toilets. c'mon, dont be shy.

bingo.

[Ish]

Thread shows that some folks on the P, which is not a news bulletin by any means, are intolerant of homosexuality, which is about as ass backwards as it can get in the house community...

oh well, I am not going to let the mixer make me mad, its reality, let em keep the blinders on.

[EddieW8]

Just now seeing this and haven't read through all the replies...but just wanted to chime in that yes, this is awful. Personally, I think gay folks should also consider gay divorce could come behind gay marriage. I can't imagine paying my exes alimony! But I know this issue goes far beyond gay marriage. It's about equal treatment for all. Voting for that proposition is shameful. But most people in this world are homophobic (even if they won't admit it or act out on it), so the election result is not surprising to me.

[david_mancuso]

you can sign the petition to have it re-opened here:

http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition.html

spread the word.

Thanks for posting this info AD!

ps.

Love Epidemic by The Trammps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsLaEdy4EA8

[david_mancuso]

In the words of Chris Rock, on gay marriage: "Gay folks have a right to be just as miserable straight people"

[traj]

at some point this ignorant way of thought will be defeated (i'm sure much to the chagrin of some of the bigots who posted earlier). give it a couple of years.

[david_mancuso]

"The scare tactics are the same ones used in the recent ad the McCain campaign put out about Barack Obama’s support of a perfectly innocuous piece of legislation regarding developmentally appropriate sex education instruction. McCain’s ad twisted the words of that bill, leaving out phrases that didn’t suit their needs, and made it sound like Obama’s support of “comprehensive sex education” would involve teaching five-year-olds how to use dildos or giving them extra credit homework in bestiality. It was one of the most repulsive political ads I’ve ever seen in its blatant, desperate manipulations designed to frighten the masses."

[dj-chefron]

The Mormon Church which funded the anti civil rights ballot initiative runs several corporations here is a partial list.Do not reward them with your dollars

Beneficial Financial Group
Bonneville International Corporation (owns a lot of radio stations--including 100.3 the Sound in LA!)
Deseret Book
Deseret Morning News
Hawaii Reserves
Temple Square Hospitality
Zions Securities

[jimmymack-2000]

not completely sure wat this is, but, it looks like a very bad idea

Are you serious?

[mhd]

Are you serious?

not sure what you are asking

[jimmymack-2000]

not sure what you are asking

Whether or not you truly are unsure of what those symbols represent?

Not trying to attack you Mark, just genuinely curious...

[mhd]

Whether or not you truly are unsure of what those symbols represent?

Not trying to attack you Mark, just genuinely curious...

not completely sure, so, i got some idea of germans, jews, and classification, and other symbols that are not readily obvious to me, and linking slavery to gay rights and then the holocaust to gay rights is a bad idea, especially the slavery analogy

[Elbert Phillips]

Thread shows that some folks on the P, which is not a news bulletin by any means, are intolerant of homosexuality, which is about as ass backwards as it can get in the house community...

oh well, I am not going to let the mixer make me mad, its reality, let em keep the blinders on.

Totally!

[MarkK]

not completely sure, so, i got some idea of germans, jews, and classification, and other symbols that are not readily obvious to me, and linking slavery to gay rights and then the holocaust to gay rights is a bad idea, especially the slavery analogy

For clarity I was linking gay rights to the Holocaust (and there is a clear linkage, a number of camps had sections for homosexuals). Slavery and the holocaust were two of mankind's great genocides.

[ruse]

Agreed.

It is set up that way for sure.

Have a great day AD!

I'm wondering whether the people who are dumb enough not to understand the ballot would be more likely to vote "no," believing that they are voting against gay marriage when they are actually voting to preserve it. This presumes, of course, that less educated and/or less intelligent people would be more likely to oppose the idea of gay marriage.

Therefore, if anything this confusion may have benefited the pro-gay marriage vote by a few percentage points. Just a theory.