Whats all this about racism at Webster hall

[Armento]

I'm also surprised at the willingness to characterize the deep house crowd as a bunch of cheap, whiny cry babies who dont understand how "expensive" it is to run clubs and parties. I'm not saying that there aren't people out there like that but I think too many people are painting the deep house crowd with broad strokes of that brush.

it's fair when analyzing business. because one cannot have a business model targeting exceptions to a rule.

[liL Ray]

folks are still missing the point here. That Party in that place was destine to fail (have a short run). History show that that party was not going to last no more than 6 weeks in that spot (check and see when they opened there)...and we not even talking long term history (which is what I based my timetable) but if you look at the recent "soulful" house parties that were there, they were all short term engagement.

This is not a "I told you so" post, because I told a few people privately that that party will be over at Webster Hall by the 2nd week of May...I could not say this publically because I would have been labelled a hater and all (some may think I am, but that's not the point), but I had history on my side....that's how Those clubs operate. If Palladuium or Roxy was open, it would have been the same shit. You stand a better chance at a longer run in a smaller club (Cielo, etc).

We have to learn from history. We also have to remember history. After Garage closed we ran from party to party in various different venues. It would be the same party (House Nation, Wild Pitch, Abushia, AfterLife, for example) but in different venues...all for 4-6 week stretch. sheeeeit, sometimes we wouldn't find out until the night of the party that the party moved to a new venue.

Then Shelter came along at Hubert Street. SHELTER is the only party that have came along and stayed in the same venue, only doing their party weekly, for years on end, since the Garage and those other underground clubs (in NYC). I remember folks not even believing that SHELTER was actually a long term venue and could not believe that here is a club that actually cater to us and our idiosyncrasies(crazy ass behavior)....So then we got spoil. We got spoil to thinking the party and the space is the same, when we should be thinking the party is the entity and the space is where the party takes place.

I wish Sting and Freddy luck, and I hope they come they recognize that it is not all about the space, but about the party. Get back to basic....find a spot, do the parties for 4-6 weeks, if it doesn't work out, find another spot and keep it moving...and no more "fuck them they ain't shit" press releases....that shit can get y'all sue for slander and the inner business of y'all's business is nobody's business but your own.

keep on...

[D J 1 3 8]

this thread needs an x factor introduced right about now..........

[liL Ray]

this thread needs an x factor introduced right about now..........

thoughts from alop99?

[DaBownca]

folks are still missing the point here. That Party in that place was destine to fail (have a short run). History show that that party was not going to last no more than 6 weeks in that spot (check and see when they opened there)...and we not even talking long term history (which is what I based my timetable) but if you look at the recent "soulful" house parties that were there, they were all short term engagement.

This is not a "I told you so" post, because I told a few people privately that that party will be over at Webster Hall by the 2nd week of May...I could not say this publically because I would have been labelled a hater and all (some may think I am, but that's not the point), but I had history on my side....that's how Those clubs operate. If Palladuium or Roxy was open, it would have been the same shit. You stand a better chance at a longer run in a smaller club (Cielo, etc).

We have to learn from history. We also have to remember history. After Garage closed we ran from party to party in various different venues. It would be the same party (House Nation, Wild Pitch, Abushia, AfterLife, for example) but in different venues...all for 4-6 week stretch. sheeeeit, sometimes we wouldn't find out until the night of the party that the party moved to a new venue.

Then Shelter came along at Hubert Street. SHELTER is the only party that have came along and stayed in the same venue, only doing their party weekly, for years on end, since the Garage and those other underground clubs (in NYC). I remember folks not even believing that SHELTER was actually a long term venue and could not believe that here is a club that actually cater to us and our idiosyncrasies(crazy ass behavior)....So then we got spoil. We got spoil to thinking the party and the space is the same, when we should be thinking the party is the entity and the space is where the party takes place.

I wish Sting and Freddy luck, and I hope they come they recognize that it is not all about the space, but about the party. Get back to basic....find a spot, do the parties for 4-6 weeks, if it doesn't work out, find another spot and keep it moving...and no more "fuck them they ain't shit" press releases....that shit can get y'all sue for slander and the inner business of y'all's business is nobody's business but your own.

keep on...

Underground Network also had a long run at SFB

[liL Ray]

Underground Network also had a long run at SFB

small club...also exception to the rule, and a very profitable party.

[Long Island Head]

I Really wish Freddy, Sting and Timmy would come to terms and work out their differences.

Those 3 together can be a powerful force, but until then the Shelter family will always be divided

[the 18th letter]

I Really wish Freddy, Sting and Timmy would come to terms and work out their differences.

2nd that...

[Mike Barnes]

Ray, Better Days had a very long tenure in New York too my man(1972-1988), Also, Even though Bentley's was a commercial spot, Bentley's stayed on the dance music circuit for 20 years(1980 to 2000), Though, Kevin Woodley(Dj Sugar Daddy), Was mixing in a commercial spot like Bentley's, Kevin Woodley was not a comermcial Dj(Cats who remember Kevin Woodley for mixing at a spot called Gotham's during the early/mid 80's, Will confirm

This/LOL), Ray Do you feel, There would have been static with the throwdown that Sting and Freddy Sanon had at Webster Hall, At a spot like Bonds International(Which featured cats like Kenny Carpenter,Tony Humphries,Etc, Mixing during the early/mid 80's), Ray, I ask this question in regards to your previous thread, Where you mentioned the Palladium and The Roxy.
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[travy]

I Really wish Freddy, Sting and Timmy would come to terms and work out their differences.

Those 3 together can be a powerful force, but until then the Shelter family will always be divided

- strength in numbers

[Armento]

Shelter Music Group < Shelter

[DaBownca]

Ray, Better Days had a very long tenure in New York too my man(1972-1988), Also, Even though Bentley's was a commercial spot, Bentley's stayed on the dance music circuit for 20 years(1980 to 2000), Though, Kevin Woodley(Dj Sugar Daddy), Was mixing in a commercial spot like Bentley's, Kevin Woodley was not a comermcial Dj(Cats who remember Kevin Woodley for mixing at a spot called Gotham's during the early/mid 80's, Will confirm

This/LOL), Ray Do you feel, There would have been static with the throwdown that Sting and Freddy Sanon had at Webster Hall, At a spot like Bonds International(Which featured cats like Kenny Carpenter,Tony Humphries,Etc, Mixing during the early/mid 80's), Ray, I ask this question in regards to your previous thread, Where you mentioned the Palladium and The Roxy.
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

Not for nuffin mike but Kevin WAS a commercial jock not saying bad just commercial.
In My Opinion anyway

[liL Ray]

Ray, Better Days had a very long tenure in New York too my man(1972-1988), Also, Even though Bentley's was a commercial spot, Bentley's stayed on the dance music circuit for 20 years(1980 to 2000), Though, Kevin Woodley(Dj Sugar Daddy), Was mixing in a commercial spot like Bentley's, Kevin Woodley was not a comermcial Dj(Cats who remember Kevin Woodley for mixing at a spot called Gotham's during the early/mid 80's, Will confirm

This/LOL), Ray Do you feel, There would have been static with the throwdown that Sting and Freddy Sanon had at Webster Hall, At a spot like Bonds International(Which featured cats like Kenny Carpenter,Tony Humphries,Etc, Mixing during the early/mid 80's), Ray, I ask this question in regards to your previous thread, Where you mentioned the Palladium and The Roxy.
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

Mike you are talking different times in club history. I believe the club landscape has changed since 1992 in NYC. All the clubs you mention except Bentley, had been closed by 1992 and the business of clubs started to evolve . Most clubs back in the days would be open for the weekend only and there was no bottle service and the rents were cheaper. Most of these clubs were also in the most undesirable parts of town or in Commercial areas only.

when a big ass club like Bonds was around, it was the hay day of our scene and the place was packed. Today, if that club was around, they would be flipping parties and promoters like the rest of the big clubs looking for whatever worked.

We are living in a different age and time and folks still want to act like it's 1981...and want to pay the same entry fees too!!!

[liL Ray]

2nd that...

Even though we know this to be true, how come this talk didn't come up in Oct, November, Dec of 2008, or Jan, Feb, March, or April of 2009?

jus' sayin'....

[DaBownca]

Mike you are talking different times in club history. I believe the club landscape has changed since 1992 in NYC. All the clubs you mention except Bentley, has been closed by 1992 and the business of clubs started to evolve . Most clubs back in the days would be open for the weekend only and there was no bottle service and the rents were cheaper. Most of these clubs were also in the most undesirable parts of town or in Commercial areas only.

when a big ass club like Bonds was around, it was the hay day of our scene and the place was packed. Today, if that club was around, they would be flipping parties and promoters like the rest of the big clubs looking for whatever worked.

We are living in a different age and time and folks still want to act like it's 1981...and want to pay the same entry fees too!!!

Actually for the most part the fees at the door are the same it's the DRINKS that have gone up but point well made

[Superman1]

it's fair when analyzing business. because one cannot have a business model targeting exceptions to a rule.

I understand what you're saying I still don't think it's right to make such a generalization about the deep house crowd. Understand that I run no club and am not in the night club business so I can't sepak from that perspective.

[liL Ray]

Actually for the most part the fees at the door are the same it's the DRINKS that have gone up but point well made

damn man, you trying real hard to poke holes in my story....always remember Chuck, I didn't read it or need a book to learn it, I lived it!!! and I didn't take any drugs during the garage era, so I remember alot of it.

[Moksha]

Actually for the most part the fees at the door are the same it's the DRINKS that have gone up but point well made

That the door fees haven't gone up at the same rate as inflation might be part of the problem?

[Jamie 3:26]

I understand what you're saying I still don't think it's right to make such a generalization about the deep house crowd. Understand that I run no club and am not in the night club business so I can't sepak from that perspective.

It's the fucking truth.You do know there's a large amount of folks here who have industry jobs,experience and so forth,right?

[liL Ray]

I understand what you're saying I still don't think it's right to make such a generalization about the deep house crowd.

But Roy, this goes to the reason why we don't have long runs in major clubs. I don't like $14 for my scotch in clubs, (hate it!!) but it's either we understand this is what it is or we do it differently (take it back underground).

[Moksha]

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

"What cost $20 in 1980 would cost $51.61 in 2008."

[JMJ]

It's the fucking truth.You do know there's a large amount of folks here who have indutry jobs,experience and so forth,right?

No, he thinks we're as stupid as he is.....JMJ

[DaBownca]

damn man, you trying real hard to poke holes in my story....always remember Chuck, I didn't read it or need a book to learn it, I lived it!!! and I didn't take any drugs during the garage era, so I remember alot of it.

WTF Ray how much did you pay to get into the Garage man you always act like I'm attacking you bro I mean damn dude I lived it too How much was SFB How much was Shelter? Duuuude

[liL Ray]

"What cost $20 in 1980 would cost $51.61 in 2008."

Folks in other genre of house is paying 50-100 dollars for entry to parties in 2009 and we in the "soulful" house scene is RSVP for free for a $5 party : http://deephousepage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192428

[TAD]

the word your simpleton brain was attempting to use is DRIVEL

No shit sherlock!! Whos the simpleton now einstein?

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