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    $13,000,000,000.00 for the "Bullet train? WTF? IS this shit necessary in this economy

    I call this shit waste, and super bad timing... for trains? who the fuck in America rides trains anymore? other presidents have tried and failed at this "super train" shit ..



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    President Obama, Vice President Biden, Secretary LaHood Call for U.S.
    High-Speed Passenger Trains

    Vision for a New Era in Rail Entails Clean, Energy-Efficient Option for Travelers

    President Barack Obama, along with Vice President Biden and Secretary LaHood, announced a new U.S. push today to transform travel in America, creating high-speed rail lines from city to city, reducing dependence on cars and planes and spurring economic development.

    The President released a strategic plan outlining his vision for high speed rail in America. The plan identifies $8 billion provided in the ARRA and $1 billion a year for five years requested in the federal budget as a down payment to jump-start a potential world-class passenger rail system and sets the direction of transportation policy for the future. The strategic plan will be followed by detailed guidance for state and local applicants. By late summer, the Federal Railroad Administration will begin awarding the first round of grants.

    Additional funding for long-term planning and development is expected from legislation authorizing federal surface transportation programs.

    The report formalizes the identification of ten high-speed rail corridors as potential recipients of federal funding. Those lines are: California, Pacific Northwest, South Central, Gulf Coast, Chicago Hub Network, Florida, Southeast, Keystone, Empire and Northern New England. Also, opportunities exist for the Northeast Corridor from Washington to Boston to compete for funds to improve the nation’s only existing high-speed rail service.

    With a boost from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, the Obama administration launched a competitive process to drive local communities to develop their high-speed rail potential. The President, Vice President and Secretary of Transportation are urging states and local communities to put together plans for a network of 100 mile to 600 mile corridors, which will compete for the federal dollars. The merit-driven process will result in federal grants as soon as late summer 2009.

    President Obama’s vision for high-speed rail mirrors that of President Eisenhower, the father of the Interstate highway system, which revolutionized the way Americans traveled. Now, high-speed rail has the potential to reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil, lower harmful carbon emissions, foster new economic development and give travelers more choices when it comes to moving around the country.

    “My high-speed rail proposal will lead to innovations that change the way we travel in America. We must start developing clean, energy-efficient transportation that will define our regions for centuries to come,” said President Obama. “A major new high-speed rail line will generate many thousands of construction jobs over several years, as well as permanent jobs for rail employees and increased economic activity in the destinations these trains serve. High-speed rail is long-overdue, and this plan lets American travelers know that they are not doomed to a future of long lines at the airports or jammed cars on the highways.”

    “Today, we see clearly how Recovery Act funds and the Department of Transportation are building the platform for a brighter economic future - they’re creating jobs and making life better for communities everywhere,” said Vice President Biden. “Everyone knows railways are the best way to connect communities to each other, and as a daily rail commuter for over 35 years, this announcement is near and dear to my heart. Investing in a high-speed rail system will lower our dependence on foreign oil and the bill for a tank of gas; loosen the congestion suffocating our highways and skyways; and significantly reduce the damage we do to our planet.”

    “President Obama's vision of robust, high-speed rail service offers Americans the kind of travel options that throughout our history have contributed to economic growth and enhanced quality of life,” said Secretary LaHood. “We simply can't build the economy of the future on the transportation networks of the past.”

    The plan identifies two types of projects for funding. One would create new corridors for world-class high-speed rail like the kind found in Europe and Japan. Another would involve making train service along existing rail lines incrementally faster.

    Under the plan, high-speed rail development will advance along three funding tracks:

    * Individual Projects. Providing grants to complete individual projects that are “ready to go” with completed environmental and preliminary engineering work – with an emphasis on near term job creation. Eligible projects include acquisition, construction of or improvements to infrastructure, facilities and equipment.

    * Corridor programs. Developing entire phases or geographic sections of high-speed rail corridors that have completed corridor plans, environmental documentation and have a prioritized list of projects to help meet the corridor objectives.

    * Planning. Entering into cooperative agreements for planning activities (including development of corridor plans and State Rail Plans) using non-American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) appropriations funds. This third approach is intended to help establish a structured mechanism and funding stream for future corridor development activities.



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    The people that don't fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richierich View Post
    The people that don't fly.
    last time i checked into train fares the price gap from plane to train was not that much now imagine the cost for a fare on a "super train" IF THEY EVER GET IT BUILT AND UNDER BUDGET?

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    What is wrong with you man? Are you so blinded to car and plane culture that you cannot see the value of this? The economic growth provided high-speed rail in Europe and Japan is immense. The French rail company is one of the most profitable transport companies in the world.

    Ignorant American mentality, really sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaaos View Post
    last time i checked into train fares the price gap from plane to train was not that much now imagine the cost for a fare on a "super train" IF THEY EVER GET IT BUILT AND UNDER BUDGET?

    Not the point of price..some folks just don't fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richierich View Post
    Not the point of price..some folks just don't fly.
    most do fly...and then some that dont fly would rather drive

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkK View Post
    What is wrong with you man? Are you so blinded to car and plane culture that you cannot see the value of this? The economic growth provided high-speed rail in Europe and Japan is immense. The French rail company is one of the most profitable transport companies in the world.

    Ignorant American mentality, really sad.


    this is not the right time to dump 18B on something that may not even see the light of day.

    this would make sense in little countries like Europe but not here in the USA and not now

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaaos View Post
    most do fly...and then some that dont fly would rather drive
    You are assuming
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    Quote Originally Posted by richierich View Post
    You are assuming
    i guess you have not been on the road lately or a train.

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    $13 Billion is BUS FARE for the "most powerful nation in the world"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alvin View Post
    $13 Billion is BUS FARE for the "most powerful nation in the world"...
    not when unemployment is around 10%

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaaos View Post
    i guess you have not been on the road lately or a train.
    what does that have to do with anything..

    If folks had the choice ya don't know what they'd choose..People still take trains and a high speed one would catch on real quick AND create a whole lot of jobs along the route and open up cities that were not as accessible or even frequented Not to mention the jobs and profits from this for decades to come..How many jobs would it create just by building it, an or how long? How long would people have jobs because of it afterwards? A WHOLE LOT!!

    Shit, ironworkers alone would be making money and a whole lot of it for a long time..
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    Quote Originally Posted by richierich View Post
    what does that have to do with anything..

    If folks had the choice ya don't know what they'd choose..People still take trains and a high speed one would catch on real quick AND create a whole lot of jobs along the route and open up cities that were not as accessible or even frequented Not to mention the jobs and profits from this for deaceds to come..How many jobs would it create just by building it anf or how long? How long would people have jobs because of it afterwards? A WHOLE LOT!!

    Shit, ironworkers alone would be making money and a whole lot of it for a long time..
    it has failed before...billions wasted. and not even a friging model train to show for it.

    seems like a big risk on money that is badly needed else where

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    Perhaps Obama's Federal "volunteer" plan will be involved here...

    get unemployed skilled laborers to "volunteer" to build the railway for pennies on the dollar...make a select few super rich...America gets to boasts to the world that we have a "bullet train" ...its a win-win situation for all parties involved...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alvin View Post
    Perhaps Obama's Federal "volunteer" plan will be involved here...

    get unemployed skilled laborers to "volunteer" to build the railway for pennies on the dollar...make a select few super rich...America gets to boasts to the world that we have a "bullet train" ...its a win-win situation for all parties involved...
    Fail again..Duh,..
    It would be UNION ironworkers working on the railroads to build the rails and bridges that the train would go over..Not volunteers (more of your dielusion)

    Yeah, the now unemplyed ironworkers would now be EMPLOYED and that's just one trade..
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaaos View Post
    it has failed before...billions wasted. and not even a friging model train to show for it.

    seems like a big risk on money that is badly needed else where
    It's never been built here before.

    Scared money don't make no money.

    All those jobs that would be required to build it, operate it and maintain it would be money spent by same workers pumping money right back into the economy.
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    all this for trains that would only go about 150mph about a 25% gain from what trains are capable now

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    Quote Originally Posted by richierich View Post
    It's never been built here before.

    Scared money don't make no money.
    i just hope its not more waste

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    gov of california scherzinger estimated it would cost 30 billion to get california bullet trains..imagine how many trillions it would cost for nation wide service

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkK View Post
    What is wrong with you man? Are you so blinded to car and plane culture that you cannot see the value of this? The economic growth provided high-speed rail in Europe and Japan is immense. The French rail company is one of the most profitable transport companies in the world.

    Ignorant Kaaos mentality, really sad.
    Fixed

    He doesn't speak for all of us American
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaaos View Post
    this would make sense in little countries like Europe but not here in the USA and not now

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    One Boing 777 costs 250 million USD off the production line. 13 billion USD is the equivalent of just 50 new aircraft. No infrastructure, airports, maintainance, fuel, nada. On the other hand it will bring new jobs, new infrastructure, new urban perspectives, new social orders. This is progress!. This is a positive IMPULSE. By comparison five years of Iraq war have cost 500 billion USD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ngeso View Post
    One Boing 777 costs 250 million USD off the production line. 13 billion USD is the equivalent of just 50 new aircraft. No infrastructure, airports, maintainance, fuel, nada. On the other hand it will bring new jobs, new infrastructure, new urban perspectives, new social orders. This is progress!. This is a positive IMPULSE. By comparison five years of Iraq war have cost 500 billion USD.

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    Why y'all arguin' with a golem? Y'all know kaaos doesn't think before he posts.

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    kaaos, try traveling to the rest of the world...you might learn something...

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