Peven Everett Album - Party of the Year

[JMJ]

Potentially via unauthorized derivative works.

How well does potentially hold up in court?....JMJ

[mhd]

Talent and business acumen aren't mutual. Good PR though....JMJ

exactly, so, lets enjoy, buy and play this cats music, and just shake our heads at their steep learning curve

[Chuck P]

Potentially via unauthorized derivative works.

If he or his company has decided to delve into the possibilities of what may or may not happen, then why make music at all........

[TAC]

James Brown was probably the most illegally sampled musician in history. And you know what his views were? He was not salty about it. His views were that these rappers using his music exposed an entire new generation of folks to his music. He was happy that his work was bringing kids to his music.

Actually, this is not true. James Brown was in jail during the early days of sampling and such. Not coincidentally, his music was getting jacked while he was in jail and couldn't do much about it. When he did get out, he went on a rampage and sued for his sh*t. His law suits pushed the boundaries of copyright law.

Peace
TAC

[Jamie 3:26]

Actually, this is not true. James Brown was in jail during the early days of sampling and such. Not coincidentally, his music was getting jacked while he was in jail and couldn't do much about it. When he did get out, he went on a rampage and sued for his sh*t. His law suits pushed the boundaries of copyright law.

Peace
TAC

"Take my voice off your record..."

[JMJ]

exactly, so, lets enjoy, buy and play this cats music, and just shake our heads at their steep learning curve

We've already bought it over and over. So you say take the abuse and disrespect that goes along with supporting them?

Doesn't seem like a win-win......JMJ

[mhd]

Actually, this is not true. James Brown was in jail during the early days of sampling and such. Not coincidentally, his music was getting jacked while he was in jail and couldn't do much about it. When he did get out, he went on a rampage and sued for his sh*t. His law suits pushed the boundaries of copyright law.

Peace
TAC

thank you, frankly, i see pe's point, horrible execution

[travy]

Actually, this is not true. James Brown was in jail during the early days of sampling and such. Not coincidentally, his music was getting jacked while he was in jail and couldn't do much about it. When he did get out, he went on a rampage and sued for his sh*t. His law suits pushed the boundaries of copyright law.

Peace
TAC

all while his popularity and legend was pushed into the stratosphere creating new revenue streams and audiences he never would've touched.

[mhd]

We've already bought it over and over. So you say take the abuse and disrespect that goes along with supporting them?

Doesn't seem like a win-win......JMJ

just ignore it, no biggie, like others on here, they just don't have that level of professionalism in place

[travy]

thank you, frankly, i see pe's point, horrible execution

please. his point is that he doesn't like seeing dj's get biggup'd for playing his music...

[Chuck P]

all while his popularity and legend was pushed into the stratosphere creating new revenue streams and audiences he never would've touched.

that he more than likely benefitted from, even though this is not necessarily the same scenario since I have not seen any of PE's musc booted, reworked or remixed for sale........

[TAC]

all while his popularity and legend was pushed into the stratosphere creating new revenue streams and audiences he never would've touched.

That's actually an irrelevant argument.

[JMJ]

just ignore it, no biggie, like others on here, they just don't have that level of professionalism in place

Ain't this a bidness? Why are giving passes?.....JMJ

[travy]

That's actually an irrelevant argument.

how so?

[Dolemite73]

Actually, this is not true. James Brown was in jail during the early days of sampling and such. Not coincidentally, his music was getting jacked while he was in jail and couldn't do much about it. When he did get out, he went on a rampage and sued for his sh*t. His law suits pushed the boundaries of copyright law.

Peace
TAC

I am looking for an interview he did....he spoke on this and was cool with it.

[TAC]

I am looking for an interview he did....he spoke on this and was cool with it.

Yea, because he was getting paid by that time....

[TAC]

how so?

Your initial argument ignores the policy underlying copyright law.

[dancewordz]

Do you like when DJ's play and edit your tracks?......JMJ

i have an opinion but let me read all the angles and i'll post back.

[loveontherun]

James Brown was probably the most illegally sampled musician in history. And you know what his views were? He was not salty about it. His views were that these rappers using his music exposed an entire new generation of folks to his music. He was happy that his work was bringing kids to his music.

consider the perspective though, jb was a worldwide icon by then, peven is getting jacked and has not reached the level of success that his talents should command

No disrespect to Dolemite, but he sort of derailed the topic at hand. We aren't talking about bootlegging, or releasing records or even sampling recoirds and making $$$ off of said record/production without the artists consent.

We are being told that we can't do our own exclusive edits as DJ's to play out in the clubs or mixshows to fit into our format or styles etc. IMO that's not a wise stance to take, and it is a completely unrealistic to take this stance within a culture that was partially created and advanced by these very practices.

Where would we be without Ron Hardy's edits inspiring a young generation of producers and DJ's? Where would we be without Walter Gibbons take on Ten Percent? What about Grandmaster Flash cutting records? It's always been the DJ's take on recorded music that helped advance this culture.

[travy]

Your initial argument ignores the policy underlying copyright law.

yes, but to do that ignores the big picture. penny wise, pound foolish?

[mhd]

Ain't this a bidness? Why are giving passes?.....JMJ

like any other artist that is wack in real life, i love john wayne movies, but he sucked as a person, i love mel gibson movies - braveheart - but he sucks as a person, same concept here, i don't know if peven sucks as a person but his pr does

[travy]

No disrespect to Dolemite, but he sort of derailed the topic at hand. We aren't talking about bootlegging, or releasing records or even sampling recoirds and making $$$ off of said record/production without the artists consent.

We are being told that we can't do our own exclusive edits as DJ's to play out in the clubs or mixshows to fit into our format or styles etc. IMO that's not a wise stance to take, and it is a completely unrealistic to take this stance within a culture that was partially created and advanced by these very practices.

Where would we be without Ron Hardy's edits inspiring a young generation of producers and DJ's? Where would we be without Walter Gibbons take on Ten Percent? What about Grandmaster Flash cutting records? It's always been the DJ's take on recorded music that helped advance this culture.

it is the same subject though, because music industry folks are taking the position that a dj playing a song or re-editing it = self promotion = profit which is sooo ironic considering the dj's are actually promoting the artist. like i said, it's just bitterness, greed and jealousy...

[mhd]

it is the same subject though, because music industry folks are taking the position that a dj playing a song or re-editing it = self promotion = profit which is sooo ironic considering the dj's are actually promoting the artist. like i said, it's just bitterness, greed and jealousy...

and the dj derives no benefit?

[Chuck P]

like any other artist that is wack in real life, i love john wayne movies, but he sucked as a person, i love mel gibson movies - braveheart - but he sucks as a person, same concept here, i don't know if peven sucks as a person but his pr does

I see your point, but to use your analogy, those actors successes and/or failures do not hinge on your patronage as you are not charged with exposing their work to the masses.....

In this case, dj's have been called on the carpet relative to his music even to the point of suggesting that it is illegal to have one of his songs in your mixes, so if you can't put it in a mix, if you can't make it dj friendly for playing at the club, why would a jock need his work at all.........

PE is not a household name, it stands to reason that if he has an opportunity to get his music pushed to higher heights because of a rework that is being kept close to the vest by the jock and not for sale, he would be receptive to it, even if it's on a guarded level........

And I'll add this, even if he or his reps had a problem with something that was done to his work, this was not the venue to epxress those feelings and/or concerns, it was in very poor taste.......

[loveontherun]

and the dj derives no benefit?

This just means it's a win-win.