Peven Everett Album - Party of the Year

**OneMasterMixer** · 05-14-2009, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by SuzanneT

OH shytttttt!!!!!!!!!!!

I was silently lurking but this shyt is killing me

So since when cant a DJ make an edit or remix if they aren't selling it... it only helps a track sell faster.

I must be missing a point here besides the fact that I am late.

**travy** · 05-14-2009, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by mhd

and the dj derives no benefit?

it's a benefit gained in service to the artist! if i am a firefighter who saves your house, are you going to come ask me for money because i got a little shine after the rescue?

**D J 1 3 8** · 05-14-2009, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Chuck P

I see your point, but to use your analogy, those actors successes and/or failures do not hinge on your patronage as you are not charged with exposing their work to the masses.....

In this case, dj's have been called on the carpet relative to his music even to the point of suggesting that it is illegal to have one of his songs in your mixes, so if you can't put it in a mix, if you can't make it dj friendly for playing at the club, why would a jock need his work at all.........

PE is not a household name, it stands to reason that if he has an opportunity to get his music pushed to higher heights because of a rework that is being kept close to the vest by the jock and not for sale, he would be receptive to it, even if it's on a guarded level........

And I'll add this, even if he or his reps had a problem with something that was done to his work, this was not the venue to epxress those feelings and/or concerns, it was in very poor taste.......

perceived benefit or not, I'm pretty sure it most certainly IS illegal to put any song on a distributed mix without permission, regardless of selling the mix or not

same goes for manipulating existing copyrighted work for playing out live or whatever

don't get me wrong, I do this every day, but I am fully aware that I am breaking the law

**mhd** · 05-14-2009, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by loveontherun

This just means it's a win-win.

right, so, pe is right when he says dj benefits from his work! lets just be honest about that point and then move forward

**Pang** · 05-14-2009, 11:20 AM

don't know how I feel about my name being as the thread starter to this trainwrecked thread.

**loveontherun** · 05-14-2009, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by travy

it's a benefit gained in service to the artist! if i am a firefighter who saves your house, are you going to come ask me for money because i got a little shine after the rescue?

Or if I am fire fighter, am I going to come ask for some of the money on your house I saved after you finally sold it???

Shit, maybe we should take a hard stance, and start hitting Peven up for money every time we play one of his tracks. We'll see how he feels about that.

Or maybe Peven should just allow this working relationship Djs have had with artists for the last 30+ years to continue to grow.

**mhd** · 05-14-2009, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Chuck P

I see your point, but to use your analogy, those actors successes and/or failures do not hinge on your patronage as you are not charged with exposing their work to the masses.....

In this case, dj's have been called on the carpet relative to his music even to the point of suggesting that it is illegal to have one of his songs in your mixes, so if you can't put it in a mix, if you can't make it dj friendly for playing at the club, why would a jock need his work at all.........

PE is not a household name, it stands to reason that if he has an opportunity to get his music pushed to higher heights because of a rework that is being kept close to the vest by the jock and not for sale, he would be receptive to it, even if it's on a guarded level........

And I'll add this, even if he or his reps had a problem with something that was done to his work, this was not the venue to epxress those feelings and/or concerns, it was in very poor taste.......

djs are just one platform to deliver the music

**OneMasterMixer** · 05-14-2009, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by D J 1 3 8

perceived benefit or not, I'm pretty sure it most certainly IS illegal to put any song on a distributed mix without permission, regardless of selling the mix or not

same goes for manipulating existing copyrighted work for playing out live or whatever

don't get me wrong, I do this every day, but I am fully aware that I am breaking the law

So what you are saying is yea fuk it i did it and will do it again

**OneMasterMixer** · 05-14-2009, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Pang

don't know how I feel about my name being as the thread starter to this trainwrecked thread.

Aint your fault, you know how we do

**mhd** · 05-14-2009, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by loveontherun

Or maybe Peven should just allow this working relationship Djs have had with artists for the last 30+ years to continue to grow.

one of his beefs is along this line, isn't it? he is saying lets discuss it first, sounds reasonable to me

**D J 1 3 8** · 05-14-2009, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by OneMasterMixer

So what you are saying is yea fuk it i did it and will do it again

mos def

**loveontherun** · 05-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by mhd

right, so, pe is right when he says dj benefits from his work! lets just be honest about that point and then move forward

Well on the most basic level, Djs wouldn't exist without pre-recorded music.

However DJs really benefit from creating their own styles, developing their skills, constantly working, putting out demos, rocking crowds all over the world, or even just in their home town. They benefit from years of hard work, with or without one Peven record.

**mhd** · 05-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by travy

it's a benefit gained in service to the artist! if i am a firefighter who saves your house, are you going to come ask me for money because i got a little shine after the rescue?

why not add a sunset to van gogh's "starry night"?

**TAC** · 05-14-2009, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by travy

yes, but to do that ignores the big picture. penny wise, pound foolish?

Actually dude, the big picture is not about an individual artist getting paid. Digest that thought....

**loveontherun** · 05-14-2009, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by mhd

one of his beefs is along this line, isn't it? he is saying lets discuss it first, sounds reasonable to me

Hey, if Peven doesn't want DJs to play his music the way they want to, that's fine. It is just unrealistic, and it will hurt him in the end, more than it will ever hurt a Dj for not playing one of his tunes.

I am not saying Peven is "wrong" for that opinion, I just think it is unwise.

Many artists have been unhappy with remixes of their music, properly released by the label, or not, however it is often these remixes that help make the artist's career. But it is how the artist chooses to deal with it that is making this thread a trainwreck.

**travy** · 05-14-2009, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by loveontherun

Or if I am fire fighter, am I going to come ask for some of the money on your house I saved after you finally sold it???

Shit, maybe we should take a hard stance, and start hitting Peven up for money every time we play one of his tracks. We'll see how he feels about that.

Or maybe Peven should just allow this working relationship Djs have had with artists for the last 30+ years to continue to grow.

totally. it's a business relationship. if artists don't want their songs played, send out an email blast and i'm sure many will comply...

**OneMasterMixer** · 05-14-2009, 11:32 AM

OK so after all this where are we??

I mean everyone here knows Peven will not be able to really walk away as it has become apparent in this thread. Does this mean we stop buying /downloading/ remixing his rekkids or do we start doing remixes and posting em here..

Inquiring DHP members want to know

**'Magic' Juan** · 05-14-2009, 11:32 AM

This reminds me of the story regarding Tom Moulton and BT Express where he basically re-edited and extended one of their tracks (I forget which one). BT Express hated that version with a passion, but once it blew up on the radio and on charts they were more than happy to take credit for it.

**Moksha** · 05-14-2009, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by mhd

why not add a sunset to van gogh's "starry night"?

Are you sure you grew up in Chicago's house scene?

Again, you shouldn't be on this website if you want to fight out of the corner you are fighting out of right now.

**'Magic' Juan** · 05-14-2009, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by OneMasterMixer

OK so after all this where are we??

I mean everyone here knows Peven will not be able to really walk away as it has become apparent in this thread. Does this mean we stop buying /downloading/ remixing his rekkids or do we start doing remixes and posting em here..

Inquiring DHP members want to know

That's up to you. You still want to support him then be my guest. I'm through buying and playing his material.

**Moksha** · 05-14-2009, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by travy

totally. it's a business relationship. if artists don't want their songs played, send out an email blast and i'm sure many will comply...

Better yet, just email out a link to this thread.

**Pang** · 05-14-2009, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by mhd

why not add a sunset to van gogh's "starry night"?

If I own it, I can, no?

**House** · 05-14-2009, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by liL Ray

I hope PWW don't look inside this topic.

I'm AGHAST!!!!!!!!!

I can't believe I'm reading this shit

**TAD** · 05-14-2009, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Discogoddess

Wow.

I'll say it again: Peven really should work with a trained communications professional whose job it is to grow his brand and customer/fan base.

You are not that person.

i know late but this deserves a bumpity bump.