Peven Everett Album - Party of the Year

[liL Ray]

There are actually some very positive messages being written now ...Times are/have changed

give it time..PevenBilly is not yet awake...they are usually here in the night time...playng live.

this too shall pass.

[blackwax]

those positive messages are still there you just have to read between the lines

[dennis f]

glad you added that last line, that is really the bottom line, thanks for your insight, hopefully cats are listening, enjoy rome, finally, what advice would you give someone on these issues?

I'd say...
look...this is house music and the reason they call it house is cuz you can only afford to make that shit in your house!! Keep it in perspective. Look at generating multiple revenue streams. Do you have publishing in order AND NO THAT DOESN'T JUST MEAN ASCAP AND BMI!!! Those are just performing rights societies. Where and how are you securing these revenue streams? Get your music on whatever and wherever. Mix cds...comps...movies...malls..elevators...etc.
If peeps do rmx's see how you can benefit as you also get pub royalties on those rmx's. You also get those 8 cents per mix per side of each record on those rmx's from performance royalties if you negotiated your contract properly. So that remixer is generating income for you and you did nothing but sit on your ass and collect. You just have to take yourself out of yourself for a sec and think "how can i turn this around so that it works to my favor". In this business one hand washes the other...ya just gotta know which soap to use.

df

[mhd]

sorry man totally missed that
a bit of asumption on my part and i gave no specifics
Saying that Alex and Dave LISTEN to what the crowd say and want they heard the buzz on Peven mostly through DJ mixes edits etc
Its not ONE DJ or EDIt its many folks but this all adds up

How many DJ mixes do you hear with a peven track edit or remix on? A bucket load right?
If you where a promoter and you kept hearing DJ's playing this guys stuff what would you do?
Would they have heard of Peven through his live shows? Maybe but I think the word has been spread a lot further through DJ's worldwide than Pevens live shows and albums

Its not rocket science

gotcha, thanks, its amazing how giving up some creative control can bring even more notoriety, exposure, sales, bookings, etc.

[Moksha]

true, in the context of the bigger picture, of course not, but can you see a cat with a slightly different perspective, that wants to maintain control of his work, that wants to formalize that remix process, even though that is an impossiblitity in this day and time?

Dude... nobody is saying that they don't understand an artist wanting to control their work. It's not like some novel idea that we just don't get.

But it's absolutely irrelevant in the context of this thread, where the artist so thoroughly dissed this community, over and over again. That you are so ready to excuse this (even after he came back again to further insult us), is unbelievable.

[TAC]

If they put it out and it sucks? well...what's it gonna sell? 500 copies? I mean come on...the cat will make less than 1,000 bucks after he pays for manufacturing! Your lawyers retainer will be at least that much. So whatcha suing him for? His car? His house?

I see you've learned your lesson's well. All this is di minimus in the big picture.

What's really going on here is the undermining of promotion of the arts (music, literature, etc). The mechanisms for ensuring that the arts are promoted are failing (stale, needed updating, etc.). The fact that artists would make money from their works is only a by product of the societal desire to provide culture, which enriches us all. The business models that everyone speaks of were by products of the whole thing.

I recently stated that playtime was over because President Obama created a cabinet level postion, i.e., an Intellectual Property Czar who would be tasked with "right siding the ship", so to speak.

For people that have been here for years doing this sh*t. I am quite shamed by the shark feeding frenzy that ensued from Billie's post.

Peace
TAC

[The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove]

gotcha, thanks, its amazing how giving up some creative control can bring even more notoriety, exposure, sales, bookings, etc.

It's amazing how people have been telling you that in various ways throughout this thread. Who needs a clue?

[mhd]

Dude... nobody is saying that they don't understand an artist wanting to control their work. It's not like some novel idea that we just don't get.

But it's absolutely irrelevant in the context of this thread, where the artist so thoroughly dissed this community, over and over again. That you are so ready to excuse this (even after he came back again to further insult us), is unbelievable.

c'mon man, we way beyond that, be a positive agent for progress

[Chuck P]

c'mon man, we way beyond that, be a positive agent for progress

agreed, we're in the healing stages now.......

[mhd]

I'd say...
look...this is house music and the reason they call it house is cuz you can only afford to make that shit in your house!! Keep it in perspective. Look at generating multiple revenue streams. Do you have publishing in order AND NO THAT DOESN'T JUST MEAN ASCAP AND BMI!!! Those are just performing rights societies. Where and how are you securing these revenue streams? Get your music on whatever and wherever. Mix cds...comps...movies...malls..elevators...etc.
If peeps do rmx's see how you can benefit as you also get pub royalties on those rmx's. You also get those 8 cents per mix per side of each record on those rmx's from performance royalties if you negotiated your contract properly. So that remixer is generating income for you and you did nothing but sit on your ass and collect. You just have to take yourself out of yourself for a sec and think "how can i turn this around so that it works to my favor". In this business one hand washes the other...ya just gotta know which soap to use.

df

well said, is there anything that you could say to djs to help them understand the artist/producer perspective and ways to avoid conflict?

[dennis f]

I see you've learned your lesson's well. All this is di minimus in the big picture.

What's really going on here is the undermining of promotion of the arts (music, literature, etc). The mechanisms for ensuring that the arts are promoted are failing (stale, needed updating, etc.). The fact that artists would make money from their works is only a by product of the societal desire to provide culture, which enriches us all. The business models that everyone speaks of were by products the whole thing.

I recently stated that playtime was over because President Obama created a cabinet level postion, i.e., an Intellectual Property Czar who would be tasked with "right siding the ship", so to speak.

For people that have been here for years doing this sh*t. I am quite shamed by the shark feeding frenzy that ensued from Billie's post.

Peace
TAC

and at that...i can understand PE's take on this whole thing. From an intellectual rights standpoint he's right....but how can you apply those rules when everyone changed to "connect 4" and threw out "who sank my battleship" while you went to the bathroom!!!!

That in a sense is what's happening in our business....you gotta be forward thinking.

[travy]

dude, you don't even understand whats going on, lol

please. i've been harping on using a pragmatic approach this whole thread and an industry vet comes along and says the same thing and it's all "PREACH!"

[Terry James]

ok 39 pages is Novel status

..can't believe I read all the sh*t

[AMc]

glad you added that last line, that is really the bottom line, thanks for your insight, hopefully cats are listening, enjoy rome, finally, what advice would you give someone on these issues?

As I stated to this great PR rep on page 13.....

"And to finalize things, "the misuse", as you say, of Peven's music is one your most powerful promotional tools"

Hopefully cats are listening, ya.

[mhd]

I see you've learned your lesson's well. All this is di minimus in the big picture.

What's really going on here is the undermining of promotion of the arts (music, literature, etc). The mechanisms for ensuring that the arts are promoted are failing (stale, needed updating, etc.). The fact that artists would make money from their works is only a by product of the societal desire to provide culture, which enriches us all. The business models that everyone speaks of were by products of the whole thing.

I recently stated that playtime was over because President Obama created a cabinet level postion, i.e., an Intellectual Property Czar who would be tasked with "right siding the ship", so to speak.

For people that have been here for years doing this sh*t. I am quite shamed by the shark feeding frenzy that ensued from Billie's post.

Peace
TAC

brilliant point, can't say this enough

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

I wonder where hiphop would be if cats hadn't been selling illegal battle tapes and illegal mixtapes. Sylvia Robinson didn't give a damn and although she got sued, the hip hop industry is a multi-billion dollar money maker. As Dennis said you have to be hungry and do what you can and deal with the legalities later if need be. Too many remixes or whatever can be done with a decent computer and dope software. So nothing is going to stop it from happening. Major groups are having their songs remixed in contests. Those people likely don't have a studio, but use their computers.

[SuzanneT]

ok 39 pages is Novel status

..can't believe I read all the sh*t

If you change your settings its only 20 pages

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

If you change your settings its only 20 pages

That's what mine says.

[Terry James]

If you change your settings its only 20 pages

well that's only about half the drama

[dennis f]

well said, is there anything that you could say to djs to help them understand the artist/producer perspective and ways to avoid conflict?

I wouldn't change a thing! That's what's fun....controversy..nothing gets around quite as fast as that. If this whole post was attached to a particular remix that was made publicly available and not an ill timed refute we'd all be downloading that son of a bitch just to see what all the fuss was about. AND if it was hot...well damn..we'd hear that shit at the next 4 editions of Southport Weekender!

That being said.. We're always gonna get salty about something. Nothing new. I just have a different way of viewing things. Life's too short. I don't dwell on records i've done. They were emotions for that time being. I'm trying to have a conversation with you via my songs...and as such...i move on to the next topic. If I die broke ...so be it...it was meant to be....but I'd be shit rich in the smiles of every person i saw sing Touch The Sky or How Do I Let Go..or Grateful...etc at the top of their freakin' lungs. You can't ever take that visual from me and that's why i just sit here and think.."hey..if that remix is making me dough...fuk it..do ya thing...I'll just smile when I go to the mailbox and see that check every quarter"

df

[AMc]

In addition to the Dj's and non who bought his music. It's funny this started with the wack job coming at Jamie cause I got put on to Peven through him. He played "I Can't Believe I Loved Her" and I ran to the booth to ask him what it was. Went online and bought it the next day.

Some just don't understand the influence a DJ has. So many underestimate it's promotional powers. For many musicians, it's their marketing department.

While I was DJ'ing, I told my patrons everything they needed to know to purchase and explore an artists work.

I wasn't just playing records.

[mhd]

I wouldn't change a thing! That's what's fun....controversy..nothing gets around quite as fast as that. If this whole post was attached to a particular remix that was made publicly available and not an ill timed refute we'd all be downloading that son of a bitch just to see what all the fuss was about. AND if it was hot...well damn..we'd hear that shit at the next 4 editions of Southport Weekender!

That being said.. We're always gonna get salty about something. Nothing new. I just have a different way of viewing things. Life's too short. I don't dwell on records i've done. They were emotions for that time being. I'm trying to have a conversation with you via my songs...and as such...i move on to the next topic. If I die broke ...so be it...it was meant to be....but I'd be shit rich in the smiles of every person i saw sing Touch The Sky or How Do I Let Go..or Grateful...etc at the top of their freakin' lungs. You can't ever take that visual from me and that's why i just sit here and think.."hey..if that remix is making me dough...fuk it..do ya thing...I'll just smile when I go to the mailbox and see that check every quarter"

df

much respect, loved those joints! thanks again bruh!

[House]

Dennis F

I think I love you.......BUT I AINT GAY!!!!!!!!!!

btw...his words point to a regional difference in communication. IMO, we east coasters are more likely to tell it like it is (feelings be damned) and then try to turn an opportunity

too many midwesterners either turn a blind eye or deflect, thus maintaining the status quo; or blast their audiences ("i hate white people" or "fuck the dj") and piss away their opportunities (btw, I wont damn with a broad brush: i'm talking about the Lil Louis', Peven Everetts', Glenn Undergrounds' and their crews' of the world - cats who fuck shit up for all of you'se)

btw, the passive aggressiveness of some of the ancilliary posts is highly amusing

[TAD]

Dude... nobody is saying that they don't understand an artist wanting to control their work. It's not like some novel idea that we just don't get.

But it's absolutely irrelevant in the context of this thread, where the artist so thoroughly dissed this community, over and over again. That you are so ready to excuse this (even after he came back again to further insult us), is unbelievable.

the word impartial comes to mind?

[TAD]

I wonder if an apology is coming to TAC who referred people to Peven's site. People who never heard of him.

that would be the professional thing to do. take your lumps.