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    Story: Disco In Norway

    Here's a story I've written on the early days of DJ'ing and Disco in Norway where I'm from.
    Honest feedback's appreciated, especially since I'm kinda new to writing.
    Maybe you'll discover a record or two you didn't know about as well. Enjoy.




    Disco In Norway



    (Photo: DJ Tore Løken)

    Disco in Norway was started in 1969 by a guy from Oslo named Tore Løken. After he had spent time on the UK club scene he brought the idea back with him, and decided to start a club in Oslo where musicians and other artists could hang out with like minded people, and others in the music business. The name of the club was Mandagsklubben (The Monday Club), that was private and membership only. Sort of a chill-out zone for people in the Norwegian entertainment industry, artists, musicians, and their girlfriends. Later in ' 69 Tore Løken also started a club open to the general public, and named it Safari. Safari would become the new hot spot in Oslo, being mentioned in music magazines outside of Norway as well. The club had a jungle style interior, and the DJ booth was built to look like a hut.

    Tore Løken was the DJ at both clubs, and the first DJ from Norway to play in front of a live audience, as well as the first DJ to play records, and talk on the mic at the same time. More DJ's followed shortly, and guys like the Norwegian radio DJ Jørgen Slips would also start playing in Oslo in 1969 at a club called Soria Moria, as well as DJ Steve Lindquist who would team up with Løken to do the first mobile Disco parties in Norway using Gerard twin turntables, and a 100 watt amplifier to play parties in schools. The biggest amp available at the time was a 1500 watt amp they called Grand Slam that would be used mostly for outdoors events, and Steve Lindquist would be the first DJ to travel to various places in Norway to do gigs with the Rabbit Rock Mobile Disco system, a well known mobile Disco in Norway in the 70's and 80's run by Arne Mørk who was a speedboat racer as well as a pioneer in the Norwegian Disco business. After some time on the road in Norway Rabbit Rock Mobile expanded, and became the biggest mobile Disco in Europe.


    (Photo:Polar Disco Club)

    The Norwegian singer Halvdan Sivertsen would DJ in his hometown of Bodø in 1971 at the first club there named Polar Disco Club, and playing records during breaks in the performance by Swedish singer Cornelius Wrejsvik is what set off Halvdan's DJ career.

    The other mayor cities in Norway like Trondheim, Bergen, and Stavanger also had a live Disco scene, and in Stavanger DJ Per Gjøvåg at Grotten Disco, a bomb shelter turned nightclub, would be the first DJ to get on Norwegian national TV that did a special on him and his club in 1974.



    Clubbing spread quickly to all corners of Norway, even small towns like my hometown of Geilo, where DJ's like Per Alm would DJ at the first club here called Mølla in 1970, and in 1975 the first local DJ, Dave Dale, would play Disco parties in youthclubs and hotels, as well as at Mølla, and the other local clubs Sherlock Holmes, and Camus Circus. Per Alm would later become an A&R for Polygram records in Norway, and Dave Dale retired from DJ'ing in 1985.

    Once Tore Løken had kick-started the Club and DJ culture, it took about one year tops before it had spread to the whole country from the biggest cities to the smallest villages. The norm in the beginning however was to have a live band on stage, and the DJ's playing records during breaks, so the early days of DJ's playing full nights were kinda hard to swallow for the crowds used to live bands, so they would boo when the DJ's came on, but soon, and as DJ's got better, the live band was replaced by the DJ, and some musicians would even become DJ's instead to be able to pay their bills.

    The music played in the early days were inspired by the Hippie movement, and artists like Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Blood, Sweat & Tears, and various progressive Rock bands, along with traditional Rock & Roll like The Beatles, Stones, Kinks, The Monkeys, etc, would be among the dancefloor favorites. From about 1973-74 uptempo Soul music would take over, and artists like Barry White, James Brown, KC & The Sunshine Band, and The Jacksons would become the hot artists among the DJ's and dancers, but all kinds of music was put in the mix, including the Norwegian folk music style called Gammeldans, which is music without a drum beat, played using only Violin and Accordion, that people would do couple-dancing to in between the Soulful Disco sets. In the early days it was recommended by clubowners that DJ's should play a few sets of Gammeldans during the night, probably to have a bit of Norwegian culture present in this new and exciting thing called clubbing, and keep a balance of Norwegian and foreign culture. In the early days it was also an unwritten rule that the DJ's should play three slow songs every hour to keep the crowd from goin' too bananas to the Disco sounds.



    The first DJ to beatmix records in Norway was a guy from Oslo named Heavy Henry (RIP), who was inspired by DJ's he had heard mixing when he was partying in the UK. Henry would bring that style of DJ'ing to Norway in 1975, and mixed using two beltdrive turntables. There were no pitch controls, and you had to count rounds of the platters cause it took about three seconds to get them up to full speed, so Henry would mix slowing down or speeding up the platters gently with his fingers to go from one record to the next without losing the beat, as well as using a radio jingle machine for various sound FX. A very expensive piece of equipment back then that he had imported from the UK. Most other DJ's would be very impressed by Heavy Henry because they would mostly either play records from start to finish, or talk on the mic between them, so Henry was known as the best DJ in Norway in the mid 70's because of his mixing skills.



    It didn't take long before entrepeneurs realized that clubbing was good business, and in the aftermath of the blockbuster Saturday Night Fever in 1977 the whole world went Disco crazy, and in Norway, like the rest of Europe, acts like Donna Summer, Boney M, Bee Gees, and Abba would have big hits with their more polished style of Disco that would appeal to the masses, from children to senior citizens. Disco was becoming big business, and clubs opened up left and right. Those were the happy days for club owners and DJ's alike. There were several booking agencies, IDEA, and Nor Booking that would hire DJ's, and book them to play at various clubs all over Europe, Bacchus booked worldwide, and Disco Sound for DJ's in Norway.

    The DJ's would make a set fee that would be about $500 for a night, and about $3500 for a month as the resident DJ at a club. Clubowners would get whatever was left after bills, DJ, and staff were paid, and we're not talking about chump-change. The business would gross so much after a while that the Norwegian IRS would become very interested in the scene. They would hire people to make sure the right amount of taxes were paid by the clubowners, and would raid afterhours clubs that did private parties where the illegal sales of alcoholic beverages, drug abuse, and sex was the common thing, and some clubs would be shut down because of legal action by the IRS and the Police, but as one club was shut down, another started. The legal nightclubs had to close by 4am due to Norwegian regulations, but the illegal afterhours spots, often situated at someone's private home, or a basement, would be open ' til at least 9am, or for as long as people wanted to party.



    By the late 70's, demand for 12" singles with extended remix versions of songs were high among DJ's, but no record stores would carry them in Norway, so Norwegian DJ's would travel to London to buy the latest 12" singles at shops like Groove Records in the Soho area, made famous by Tony Prince's Disco charts on 208 Radio Lux because the charts were compiled by Groove Records. The store was owned and run by an elderly and friendly lady named Mrs. Palmer who was well into her sixties, but still an expert on Soul, Funk, and Disco music, who would serve the hungry Norwegian DJ's with the latest 12" Disco singles. That way the Norwegian clubbers were lucky enough to be able to dance to the hottest new tunes only a couple of weeks after they were released in the US.

    In the early 80's specialist DJ shops would open in Norway, like Funkytown in Stavanger run by a local DJ named Åge Holgersen, Fotokopi, Immerslund, and Hot News in Oslo, Mike Lewis record shop in Grimstad, and a few others, would import 12"s from the US and UK to supply DJ's all over Norway. In Oslo a record pool simply named Record Pool was started to serve DJ members with promo vinyls. Mike Burke record shop put ads in the biggest Norwegian newspaper VG advertising 12" singles to DJ's with a phonenumber to call to buy the records. That was in 1981, and some of the titles advertised were Yarbrough & Peoples' Don't Stop The Music, Blondie's Rapture, SOS Band's Take Your Time, and Kleeer's Get Tough.

    Disco related advertising in VG was nothing new because CBS Records in Norway started a service in the newspaper in 1979 where people could call a number, and hear a snippet of the next big Disco hit record. The first record used in the service was Anita Ward's Ring My Bell that would become a number one single in Norway. Other Disco records that did well on the Norwegian charts were Baccara's Yes Sir I Can Boogie, Gloria Gaynor's I Will Survive, Chic's Le Freak, and Good Times, Sister Sledge's We Are Family, and He's The Greatest Dancer, Ottawan's D.I.S.C.O., the Saturday Night Fever and Thank God It's Friday soundtracks, Leon Haywood's Don't Push It Don't Force It, The Whispers' And The Beat Goes On, any Earth Wind & Fire, Chaka Khan, Donna Summer, Village People, Bee Gees, Abba, etc...



    The first crossover Rap record, Sugarhill Gang's Rappers Delight, peaked at number two on the Norwegian pop charts in 1980, shortly followed by two other Rap records in the Norwegian Top 10, Rap-O Clap-O by Joe Bataan, and Rhythm Talk by Jocko. After the release of those records it became a common thing among the more upfront DJ's to Rap over the various Disco records, and sometimes DJ's would make their own raps to introduce themselves and to hype the crowds, so in that respect Hip-hop was introduced to Norway by club DJ's.

    The common language used by DJ's to talk and rap on the mic was English for Norwegian as well as foreign DJ's playing in Norway. DJ's from the UK were plenty in Norway in the early years of Disco, and some of the best DJ's in Norway were British, such as DJ Gary Dean who would mix records just as well as the best DJ's in the US, and would play the same music that was hot in the clubs stateside.

    As far as Norwegian artists putting out Disco records there were close to no real Disco cuts made in Norway. The exceptions being artists and bands doing Norwegian cover versions of Disco hits. There were plenty of artists making Soul, Jazz, and Funk influenced music however, such as Frode Thingnes, Jon Eberson, Inger Lise Rypdal, Jonas Fjeld Band, Alex, Lava that featured Randy Crawford as their singer on a couple of albums, and Drama that changed their name to Creation in the mid 80's and released the 12" I'm Going Up in 1985, on the Desperado label, with a Swedish remix by Fredrik Ramel who also did most of the remixes for the Swedish dance label Beat Box that put out remixes of Italian Disco records mostly. I'm Going Up is now much in demand among Boogie collectors, and fetches about $100 when it shows up.

    Comedy acts like Prima Vera would do mediocre Norwegian cover versions of international Disco hits in the late 70's. The first serious quality Disco record from Norway actually didn't come out until 1984 with the duo Avalanche's 12" single Heaven Tonight. Avalanche were Norwegian, but had German production, and were signed to the German label Metronome Records. They followed Heaven Tonight with several more 12" singles during the late 80's, and early 90's.



    The only Norwegian club hit before that was Oslo's New Wave artist Beranek with his 7" 45 only release Dra Te' Helvette (Go To Hell), that was a number one single in Norway in 1981, even if it was banned from national radio because of the title and lyrics about shooting up Heroin, and some record stores wouldn't sell it cause it had a picture of a naked ass with a syringe labeled Disco on the front cover. Beranek released a couple of 12" singles and albums in the early 80's, but they were aimed at the New Wave / Punk crowd more than the Disco crowd. For some reason Norwegian labels and artists seemed to have a problem taking Disco music seriously, and Norway was always a little late to pick up on new musical trends compared to the other Scandinavian contries, which is the main reasons there are very few Norwegian Disco records. It took A-ha to make it big worldwide with Take On Me, (Released in 1984), in the late 80's, for other Norwegian artists to realize that it was possible to make it big internationally with a dance record, although the Progressive Rock band Popol Ace, later turned Popol Vuh, were close in the mid 70's when they almost signed a deal with Frank Zappa.



    In the US on July 12th. 1979, the infamous Disco Demolition Night took place, where American radio DJ Steve Dahl had people bring their Disco records to a sports event in Chicago to start a giant fire and burn the records. In reality, a racist and anti-gay mediahype promoted by Rock DJ's and music industry people who were stuck in the past, and hated the fact that Disco had taken Rock & Roll's spot as the most popular culture and music. It was an attempt to end Disco that also made it to the Norwegian newspapers in 1980, backed by certain people in the Norwegian press, under the headlines of Disco Is Dead! A lot of people took that literally, some clubs were shut down, and some DJ's quit because they genuinely believed that Disco was indeed dead.

    So was that the end of clubbing and DJ'ing in Norway? No, it was just the beginning.


    To be continued...


    © Uncut Productions - 2009



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    Factual, getting that story out.


    I remember a BBC special on their webiste, that was about the scene in Norway, from memory from the late 90's onwards, featured Doc L Junior, Lindbaek, Lindstrom,Terje etc.

    Can't find it at the moment, found these instead

    A study has ranked Norway as the most peaceful country and Iraq as the least in a survey of 121 countries
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6704767.stm

    Country profile: Norway

    Europe's northernmost country, the Kingdom of Norway is famed for its mountains and spectacular fjord coastline, as well as its history as a seafaring power.

    It also enjoys one of the highest standards of living in the world, in large part due to the discovery in the late 1960s of offshore oil and gas deposits.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/eur...es/1023276.stm

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    Quote Originally Posted by The White Shadow View Post
    Here's a story I've written on the early days of DJ'ing and Disco in Norway where I'm from.
    Honest feedback's appreciated, especially since I'm kinda new to writing.
    Maybe you'll discover a record or two you didn't know about as well. Enjoy.

    ...

    This story, and more at...

    http://www.djwhiteshadow.blogspot.com/

    very interesting, thank you!

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    Thanks for the kind words and positive feedback everyone..Much appreciated!

    Any writers in the House who wanna take some time out to read, and give me an opinion on the writing?..technically, and all that?

    Martin, you're right, it's quite peaceful out here, and sunny for a change so it's time to go outside, for a change..lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by The White Shadow View Post
    Martin, you're right, it's quite peaceful out here, and sunny for a change so it's time to go outside, for a change..lol
    Sunny here too mate, looking forward to Sunday,it's supposed to be a even more of a scorcher


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    : Story: Disco In Norway

    WhiteShadow, Good lookin in regards to the article on the Dance music circuit in Norway, My man, WhiteShadow, Were cats rockin throwdowns in the parks, In Norway, During the 60's/70's, My man, Also, Were early hiphop plates, Like, 'Spoonin Rap', By Spoonie G, To the Beat Y'all, By Lady B, 'Woody Rap', By Woody Wood, 'Lookin Good', By Eddie Chebba',

    Family Rap', By The Family(Featuring:Mike-C from the Fearless 4), 'SuperRappin', The Furious 5(Young Generation), Etc, WhiteShadow, Did those plates come off in Norway,

    During the 80's,My man, And, How did the cats on the hiphop circuit in Norway, Feel about the early MC's from New York, Like, Hollywood,Eddie Chebba,LoveBug-Starski, Mel,Moe,Caz,Spyder,Etc.
    Much Respect
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barnes View Post
    WhiteShadow, Good lookin in regards to the article on the Dance music circuit in Norway, My man, WhiteShadow, Were cats rockin throwdowns in the parks, In Norway, During the 60's/70's, My man, Also, Were early hiphop plates, Like, 'Spoonin Rap', By Spoonie G, To the Beat Y'all, By Lady B, 'Woody Rap', By Woody Wood, 'Lookin Good', By Eddie Chebba',

    Family Rap', By The Family(Featuring:Mike-C from the Fearless 4), 'SuperRappin', The Furious 5(Young Generation), Etc, WhiteShadow, Did those plates come off in Norway,

    During the 80's,My man, And, How did the cats on the hiphop circuit in Norway, Feel about the early MC's from New York, Like, Hollywood,Eddie Chebba,LoveBug-Starski, Mel,Moe,Caz,Spyder,Etc.
    Much Respect
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    Mike, thanks my man. I'm happy that you read my story on how Disco started out here. My sources are solid too since I've interviewed several of the first DJ's here including Steve Lindquist I talk about in the story, who was one of the first 3-4 DJ's in this country.

    I used to play Spoonin' Rap, and Superappin', and I know they were played by some other DJ's as well, but as for the more obscure Rap records on smaller labels they were very hard to get here in the late 70's and early 80's as there were very few DJ shops that would import from the US, and most people didn't know about them before the Internet came along, so the ones that got heavy club play here were Rappers Delight, Rappers Reprise, Sugarhill Groove, Hot Hot Summer Day by Sugarhill Gang, Birthday Party, Freedom, It's Nasty, Wheels Of Steel, The Message, Survival, New York New York, Jesse, Pump Me Up, Step Off by Flash & The Furious 5, King Tim 3rd by Fatback, Rap-O, Clap-O and Rap-O Dance-O by Joe Bataan, Rhythm Talk by Jocko, Christmas Rappin' by Kurtis Blow, anything by Blowfly..the crowds always liked the nasty rhymes..lol, Reasons To Be Cheerful by Ian Dury (a New Wave/Rap record from the UK), Wikka Wrap by The Evasions (from the UK also), Flamethrower Rap by Felix & Jarvis, The Crown by Gary Byrd, Man Parrish Hiphop Be Bop, Street Justice by The Rake, Hashim's Al Naafiysh, any Afrika Bambaataa..plenty more...the records that were a combo of Hiphop, Disco, and Funk worked better on the dancefloors here than the harder Hiphop.

    There were mobile Disco's here that rocked in the parks, at fairs, and stuff like that in the summertimes but nothing like in The Bronx..lol..not many DJ's used two copies of records to remix live. I'd do it sometimes back in 82-83 but it was sloppy cause it was beltdrive turntables with no pitch controls and stuff like that, but we did get the info on what was happening in the world of DJ'ing pretty fast tho through DJ's from the UK who played in Norway, who in turn got theirs from the US..some DJ's from the UK would travel to New York, and DJ's in Norway would travel to the UK to buy records, and some would import magazines like Billboard, so we would be up on the new styles of DJ'in', and good records, but they were hard to get, and especially 12" singles were almost impossible to find here until 78/79, and even then available to DJ's only.

    When Rappers Delight came along people out here thought Rap music was just a part of Disco, and just a new way of vocals since we didn't know the history yet, and Rappers Delight used the Good Times break which was a big club hit here too. Older folks used to say that they rhymed cause they couldn't sing..lol..but when Wheels Of Steel came out we understood that there was a link between MC's and DJ's, and national TV here aired several documentaries on Hiphop in New York like Style Wars so then we knew that B-Boyin' and Graffiti was a part of it as well, and through books like Rap Attack we knew about the pioneers, and on the Hiphop scene here I guess everyone was tryin' to do what was happening on the scene in New York, but the scene was a lot more innocent and smaller of course since like Martin said Norway is a peaceful country, and also a small one. The population here is about the same as New York, and that's the whole country, so there was no more than a few hundred people seriously into Hiphop here in the early 80's, but when Beat Street came out it went crazy, and most kids were dancin' like in this video from Norway in 84:



    Pretty far from Rock Steady you know...haha...but we were havin' fun with it.
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    Shadow did you go by the Duke Of Denmark. This is a good interview of Stretch Armstrong either way, but he talks about the Duke.

    http://blog.turntablelab.com/2009/05...interview.html

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    Story: Disco In Norway

    WhiteShadow, Good lookin with the information my man(Much respect to your and your's my man), WhiteShadow, I still bug to this very day, From seeing, 'Wildstyle', On 42ndst in 1982, My man(After all of these years/LOL), Too see cats in a movie, That i was used to seeing in the park throwdowns at Echo Park(By The Webster Ave PAL on 178thst and

    Webster ave in the Bronx),Valley Park(Co-Op City, By The Bruckner Expressway in the Bronx), Harlem World,Kennedy Center,Audobon Ballroom,Stardust Ballroom,Etc, Too see cats rockin in a park setting, Graduating to rock in a spot setting, To, Being showcased in a movie about hiphop(With no actors too/LOL), WhiteShadow, Sometimes, I cannot believe, How far the artform has come, Through the years my man(Even though, I would have preferred for hiphop to stay in the parks and spots in New York, During the 80's,

    Because, The essence of hiphop, Remains to be seen, By those who paved the way, For those to come along later, Through the years to gain access into the artform), WhiteShadow, That's just how i feel my man(Hiphop staying in the parks and spots in New York, During the early/mid 80's), WhiteShadow, Were alot of the older Dj's in Norway,

    Mixing on Theron turntables, During the 70's, My man(Since Theron turntables did not have a pitch Control, During the 70's, WhiteShadow, You mentioned earlier, Your man Heavy Henry, Used to slow plates down with his finger-tips(Damn, Remember cats doing that in the 70's/LOL), White Shadow, What were the first plates to come over to Norway,

    Featuring breaks, Like, 'Seven Minutes of Funk', By the Whole Darn Family, 'Get into Something', By Isley Brothers, 'Theme From Swat', By Rhythm Heritage', 'Chamelion', By Herbie Hancock, 'Wings of Fury', By Dennis Coffey, 'Love the life you life', By Black Heat,Etc, Also, Who were the first MC's to rock in Norway my man(Along with the first MC's from New York to rock in Norway).
    Much Respect
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Paradise View Post
    Shadow did you go by the Duke Of Denmark. This is a good interview of Stretch Armstrong either way, but he talks about the Duke.

    http://blog.turntablelab.com/2009/05...interview.html
    No, but DJ Duke on this very site did, and along with another DJ from Denmark named Soul Shock, and a TV show about how they moved to New York and DJ'd on the club scene there was one of the things that inspired me to do the same, and btw I was at Wetlands when that incident with Stretch, Clark Kent, and BDP went down, and ICU and Clark were both yellin' at Stretch over something I don't know what it was about, but Stretch was damn near cryin', and I don't blame him cause Clark and ICU are big dudes, and was yellin' at Stretch like crazy..lol..I remember one incident right after where Stretch invited me to guest DJ at a club he was playin', and I rocked the house hard from the first record which was Jump by Kriss Kross btw before it became a hit but it was a big record on the street for a sec, and from there I played Kenny Dope's Supa just cuttin' fast between the various versions of the track, and Stretch cut me off sayin' the crowd there didn't like that stuff, but the place was packed, and those records had the crowd goin' crazy in there..lol..so I guess that could've had something to do with what happened at Wetlands that night cause I was right there with ICU and them when that went down..I don't know, maybe I'm just buggin', I guess it could've been cause they were playin' more underground Hiphop and original Breaks and stuff like that, and I didn't give a damn cause I knew what would tear the house down, and I was always out to impress...young and hungry you know...lol..and much respect to Stretch..he's been holdin' it down lovely for Hiphop for years in clubs and on the radio in New York, but shit happens. Damn tho you got me open on this shit now.

    I went by the name of The White Shadow in New York. First I was known as DJ Shadow, but then THE DJ Shadow from the west coast came on the scene winning the unsigned hype in The Source so I changed it to The White Shadow, or people on the scene in NY gave me that name based on the TV show, and back then there wasn't many white DJ's on the Hiphop scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The White Shadow View Post
    No, but DJ Duke on this very site did, and along with another DJ from Denmark named Soul Shock, and a TV show about how they moved to New York and DJ'd on the club scene there was one of the things that inspired me to do the same, and btw I was at Wetlands when that incident with Stretch, Clark Kent, and BDP went down, and ICU and Clark were both yellin' at Stretch over something I don't know what it was about, but Stretch was damn near cryin', and I don't blame him cause Clark and ICU are big dudes, and was yellin' at Stretch like crazy..lol..I remember one incident right after where Stretch invited me to guest DJ at a club he was playin', and I rocked the house hard from the first record which was Jump by Kriss Kross btw before it became a hit but it was a big record on the street for a sec, and from there I played Kenny Dope's Supa just cuttin' fast between the various versions of the track, and Stretch cut me off sayin' the crowd there didn't like that stuff, but the place was packed, and those records had the crowd goin' crazy in there..lol..so I guess that could've had something to do with what happened at Wetlands that night cause I was right there with ICU and them when that went down..I don't know, maybe I'm just buggin', I guess it could've been cause they were playin' more underground Hiphop and original Breaks and stuff like that, and I didn't give a damn cause I knew what would tear the house down, and I was always out to impress...young and hungry you know...lol..and much respect to Stretch..he's been holdin' it down lovely for Hiphop for years in clubs and on the radio in New York, but shit happens. Damn tho you got me open on this shit now.

    I went by the name of The White Shadow in New York. First I was known as DJ Shadow, but then THE DJ Shadow from the west coast came on the scene winning the unsigned hype in The Source so I changed it to The White Shadow, or people on the scene in NY gave me that name based on the TV show, and back then there wasn't many white DJ's on the Hiphop scene.
    Ahh, I knew it was ringing a Bell. I did know you were in Norway, but you know stranger things have happened with regards to the names people go by. I didn't realize Duke from this board/producer was from Europe originally.

    Awesome post Shadow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barnes View Post
    WhiteShadow, Good lookin with the information my man(Much respect to your and your's my man), WhiteShadow, I still bug to this very day, From seeing, 'Wildstyle', On 42ndst in 1982, My man(After all of these years/LOL), Too see cats in a movie, That i was used to seeing in the park throwdowns at Echo Park(By The Webster Ave PAL on 178thst and

    Webster ave in the Bronx),Valley Park(Co-Op City, By The Bruckner Expressway in the Bronx), Harlem World,Kennedy Center,Audobon Ballroom,Stardust Ballroom,Etc, Too see cats rockin in a park setting, Graduating to rock in a spot setting, To, Being showcased in a movie about hiphop(With no actors too/LOL), WhiteShadow, Sometimes, I cannot believe, How far the artform has come, Through the years my man(Even though, I would have preferred for hiphop to stay in the parks and spots in New York, During the 80's,

    Because, The essence of hiphop, Remains to be seen, By those who paved the way, For those to come along later, Through the years to gain access into the artform), WhiteShadow, That's just how i feel my man(Hiphop staying in the parks and spots in New York, During the early/mid 80's), WhiteShadow, Were alot of the older Dj's in Norway,

    Mixing on Theron turntables, During the 70's, My man(Since Theron turntables did not have a pitch Control, During the 70's, WhiteShadow, You mentioned earlier, Your man Heavy Henry, Used to slow plates down with his finger-tips(Damn, Remember cats doing that in the 70's/LOL), White Shadow, What were the first plates to come over to Norway,

    Featuring breaks, Like, 'Seven Minutes of Funk', By the Whole Darn Family, 'Get into Something', By Isley Brothers, 'Theme From Swat', By Rhythm Heritage', 'Chamelion', By Herbie Hancock, 'Wings of Fury', By Dennis Coffey, 'Love the life you life', By Black Heat,Etc, Also, Who were the first MC's to rock in Norway my man(Along with the first MC's from New York to rock in Norway).
    Much Respect
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    Mike, you know that Wildstyle burner they used for the movie is it still up?..cause I remember seeing it as it was painted in Manhattan somewhere, or wait up..it could've been the Sky's The Limit piece by Bill Blast with the statue of liberty in it and all that..saw it in the village as I lived on Ludlow street for a sec, and it was one of those classic burners but tagged down tho..lol...great movie anyway. That and Style Wars are the only real Hiphop movies as I see it.

    I agree Hiphop was at it's best during the early years. I wasn't there but through the tapes, the stories, etc we can get a feel of what it was like even if we wasn't there..I can only imagine what it must've been like actually being a part of that!..lol..Hiphop's gone far and worldwide but been watered down in the process, like even in the early 80's when it started comin' to Europe as you can see in that clip there they're dancin' to Break Machine which is a good record yes, but definitely a Pop version of Hiphop.

    I'm not sure if clubs out here had Thorens tables, I guess some probably did, I'll have to look into that some more, but I know Garrard tables were quite common, and so were the DJ in a box joints like this one..



    That's the one I used to play on from 80-82 but it was modified..it had lightswitches to be able to turn the platters on and off, and if we touched them we had to be very gentle..nothing at all like 1200's..lol

    The first time anyone, unless they went to New York and copped tapes and took 'em home, and I don't know of anyone here who did, heard a breakbeat out here was on Grandmaster Flash's Wheels Of Steel as he's cuttin' up Apache, Another one bites the dust, etc, and after that the Apache break was used for West Street Mob's Break Dance - Electric Boogie in 83 but we still didn't know about the breaks out here in terms of how DJ's in New York rocked doubles on the drum parts...we'd mess around with two copies of Good Times and all that but it was really sloppy and we didn't focus on the break but used the doubles to make delay and phasing FX etx..

    We'd read about it in magazines however but since we didn't hear how it was done it was hard to really figure it out just by reading, but in like 86-87 when the Octopus Breaks and Ultimate Breaks & Beats albums came out that shop I talked about in the article called Funkytown...that dude would import those series and sell them to DJ's here in 1989, and the Super Disco Brakes too, and from there we started cuttin' the breaks how it's supposed to be done..lol. The first ones that were used the most here was Apache and Dance To The Drummers Beat.

    Had we been diggin' for breaks in the 70's there was plenty of those records for sale here like all the James Brown stuff etc, but we weren't goin' after breaks like that but playin' more club style..either straight blends or talkin' on the mic between records. Here's a couple of tapes I posted up of DJ's here back then:

    DJ Gary Dean Live in Oslo/Norway (1981):

    Tracks:

    Shakatak - Steppin'
    Wilton Felder - Inherit The Wind
    Alphonse Mouzon - By All Means
    Revelation - Feel It
    Midas Touch - Too Much Love Too Soon
    Jean Carne - Was That All It Was
    Leprechaun - Loc It Up
    George Benson - Love X Love
    Carol Douglas - My Simple Heart
    The Clash - The Magnificent Seven
    Tata Vega - Love Your Neighbour
    Max & Specs - Don't Come Stoned And Don't Tell Trude
    Yarbrough & Peoples - Don't Stop The Music
    The Whispers - It's A Love Thing
    Shalamar - Make That Move
    Firefly - Love Is Gonna Be On Your Side
    Enchantment - Settin' It Out
    Eddy Grant - Do You Feel My Love
    Black Slate - Amigo
    Bob Marley & The Wailers - Jammin'

    Download:

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/40qqg7




    DJ Dave Dale Live @ Camus Circus - Geilo/Norway # 2 (Side A) (1980):

    Tracks:

    Bobby Thurston - Check Out The Groove
    Players Association - The Get Down Mellow Sound
    Bobby Thurston - You Got What It Takes
    Bobby Thurston - I Wanna Do It To You
    Gap Band - Oops Upside Your Head
    Sugar Hill Gang - Hot Hot Summer Day
    Average White Band - Catch Me Before I Have To Testify

    Download:

    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZF0ZYFIM



    DJ Dave Dale Live @ Camus Circus - Geilo/Norway # 2 (Side B) (1980):

    Tracks:

    Rod - Shake It Up And Do The Bogaloo
    Fatback - Backstrokin'
    Cameron - Let's Get It Off
    Skyy - Skyyzoo
    Cameo - On The One
    Blowfly - Rapp Dirty
    Kool & The Gang - Hangin' Out
    Tom Browne - Funkin' For Jamaica

    Download:

    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KJ0E37ZU
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Paradise View Post
    Ahh, I knew it was ringing a Bell. I did know you were in Norway, but you know stranger things have happened with regards to the names people go by. I didn't realize Duke from this board/producer was from Europe originally.

    Awesome post Shadow.
    thanks ..and true about the names..like there used to be an east coast somebody and somebody from the west coast with the same name...like Dr. Dre.

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    Minor correction, the Disco Demolition happened at a Cubs baseball game, not football game (regardles of the sport, Americans do not play 'matches').

    Good job
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkK View Post
    Minor correction, the Disco Demolition happened at a Cubs baseball game, not football game (regardles of the sport, Americans do not play 'matches'.

    Good job
    Fixed. Good lookin' out.

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    Story: Disco In Norway

    WhiteShadow, Good lookin with the information and the playlists of the Dj's on Norway, My man, WhiteShadow, Alot of cats, Do not know the history of Dre from MTV Raps fame, During the 90's, My man/LOL, Dre was down with Spectrum-Ttwo, Which featured, Hank Shocklee,Keith Shocklee, Viatnam(Eric Sadler), Griff, Flav, Spectrum Two, Used to rock

    Throwdowns on the college circuit on Long Island, During the early/mid 80's, Spectrum-Two used to rock at CW Post,Stoney Brook,New York Tech,Adelphi University in Garden City,Long Island(Chuck and Hank used to go to Adelphi Unversity during the late 70's to early 80's), Etc, Doctor Dre, Goes way back with his, On the Dj Circuit, But, Alot of cats,

    Only remember Dre, From MTV Raps with Ed Lover form Hollis(Who goes way back on the hiphop circuit too, With the Hollis Crew during the late 70's/80's/LOL), Also, Cats Like Tee Scott,Larry Levan,Tony Humphries,Kenny Carpenter,Nicky Siano,David Todd,Etc, Used to mix on Thoren turntables, During the 70's/80's, In New York(WhiteShadow, When you

    Mentioned that your man Heavy Henry, Was used his fingers to speed and slow a plate up, Made me think about the cats who used to mix on Thoren Turntables, With no pitch controls during the early 70's to mid 80's).
    Much Respect
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    super article, thanks for this post, and all the others which you do.

    mad respect as well to Mike Barnes, and thee rest who contributed to this monumental thread!

    YO!

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    This is a great thread.....a good example of why DHP is such a special place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Mundaca View Post
    super article, thanks for this post, and all the others which you do.

    mad respect as well to Mike Barnes, and thee rest who contributed to this monumental thread!

    YO!
    Thanks, and the same back to you.

    MarkK, true indeed, and I'm hoping stories from more contries appear. Italy and the UK is pretty well documented, but the early dance music scenes in contries like Germany, Holland, France, Spain, Sweden, etc are interesting, and lots more happened there than in Norway like...

    Sweden released 12" singles early..I have a Swedish pressing 12" from 1976. They also had the first world DMC mixing champ..Sanny X in 1984 who was makin' quickmixes much in the style of Grandmaster Flash's Wheels Of Steel.

    Germany of course with Giorgio Moroder, and his productions, and Donna Summer living in Germany, and Giorgio being the first to use a Japanese device working like a metronome to get the records on beat even with live drummers, and a lot of his productions you can mix them just like newer records without workin' the pitch much. There was a great club scene in Germany in the 70/80's too that I wanna learn more about.

    Mike, Heavy Henry might've used Thorens tables, but I will most likely never find out as the DJ I interviewed who knew Henry well when he was alive didn't remember but thought it was Garrard tables.

    http://www.garrard501.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkK View Post
    Minor correction, the Disco Demolition happened at a Cubs baseball game, not football game (regardles of the sport, Americans do not play 'matches').

    Good job
    Correction again....it actually happened at a White Sox game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie 3:26 View Post
    Correction again....it actually happened at a White Sox game.
    Which is why I changed it to sports event
    I googled Disco demo to get my facts right before I wrote the story, and still it wasn't.
    Oh well.

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    Thumbs up

    Nice work White Shadow!
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