Obama's Speech in Egypt and Moorish History

[alvin]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090604/..._wh/obama_text

also know that Islam has always been a part of America's story. The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796

I've mentioned this treaty on several occasions...but the treaty was actually signed in 1786...this is also the treaty that "negro slaves" are part and partial to...we are named in this treaty(under the free national name "Moor") and it would have freed us from slavery but most slaves had no knowledge of its existence(one reason it was forbidden for us to read or write)...

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1786t.asp

In case of a War between the Parties, the Prisoners are not to be made Slaves, but to be exchanged one for another, Captain for Captain, Officer for Officer and one private Man for another; and if there shall prove a deficiency on either side, it shall be made up by the payment of one hundred Mexican Dollars for each Person wanting; And it is agreed that all Prisoners shall be exchanged in twelve Months from the Time of their being taken, and that this exchange may be effected by a Merchant or any other Person authorized by either of the Parties.

this part of the treaty is tied to the release of an African prince, Abdulrahman Ibrahim Ibn Sori, who was enslaved and eventually shipped to Mississipppi....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulra...rahim_Ibn_Sori

Palestinians must abandon violence. Resistance through violence and killing is wrong and it does not succeed. For centuries, black people in America suffered the lash of the whip as slaves and the humiliation of segregation. But it was not violence that won full and equal rights. It was a peaceful and determined insistence upon the ideals at the center of America's founding.

the above quote is some tricky wordplay by Obama...we were born with full and equal rights...but we believe we are something we aren't...NEGROS...

If any Moor shall bring Citizens of the United States or their Effects to His Majesty, the Citizens shall immediately be set at Liberty and the Effects restored, and in like Manner, if any Moor not a Subject of these Dominions shall make Prize of any of the Citizens of America or their Effects and bring them into any of the Ports of His Majesty, they shall be immediately released, as they will then be considered as under His Majesty's Protection.

see: Abdulrahman Ibrahim Ibn Sori...Abdul rahman was not a "subject(ie. negro slave) to these "dominions"(ie. United States)...so under the treaty he was "immediately released"...read the book: PRINCE AMONG SLAVES by Terry Alford

If a Citizen of the United States should kill or wound a Moor, or on the contrary if a Moor shall kill or wound a Citizen of the United States, the Law of the Country shall take place and equal Justice shall be rendered, the Consul assisting at the Tryal, and if any Delinquent shall make his escape, the Consul shall not be answerable for him in any manner whatever

I'm sure Obama is in full knowledge that "negroes"(ie. black people in America) have and never will be afforded "full and equal rights" under this name...(ie. Jena 6, Sean Bell, lynchings, etc.)

Obama fails to mention that violence was used by the colonists to give themselves "full and equal rights" which culminated in the Revolutionary War...yet again, niggaz are relegated to being passive participants to history and it is maintained that our so-called "freedom" came through peaceful means...for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...

We became slaves due to violence and Obama wants us to believe that freedom can happen without an equal and opposite reaction...this is a false notion... plain and simple

[ngeso]

[...]we are named in this treaty under the free national name "Moor"[...]

Please elaborate: "free national" in what sense? Which nation ?

...

[Monny JcIntosh]

I don't understand.

You say: "We were born with full and equal rights"; but "black people in America ... have and never will be afforded 'full and equal rights'"; and "violence was used by the colonists to give themselves 'full and equal rights'".

Who's the 'we' born with full and equal rights?

[Murf]

Come on people we're all Moors lets rise up and fuck some shit up....

alvin who's not a Moor descendant again?... or should we just fuck up the first person who argues back

[Martin Red]

I like the fact Alvin has made an effort to explain connections, and makes sense, the first part makes sense, however, this seems to suggest to incite violence (see below), I can't understand what Alvin would expect from the president of the united states in 2009 ?

What would you suggest Alvin ?

Obama fails to mention that violence was used by the colonists to give themselves "full and equal rights" which culminated in the Revolutionary War...yet again, niggaz are relegated to being passive participants to history and it is maintained that our so-called "freedom" came through peaceful means...for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...

We became slaves due to violence and Obama wants us to believe that freedom can happen without an equal and opposite reaction...this is a false notion... plain and simple

[MarkK]

I like the fact Alvin has made an effort to explain connections, and make sense the first part makes sense, however, this seems suggestion to incite violence, I can't understand what Alvin would expect from the president of the united states in 2009 ?

What would you suggest Alvin ?

it is true, Alvin does incite violence in this post. very interesting.

[mhd]

alvin's post points out the hypocrisy in the speech, while violence was a successful enterprise by the colonist and by the states througout its history, including the civil war, it is now an unacceptable option then for palestinians

[alvin]

I don't understand.

You say: "We were born with full and equal rights"; but "black people in America ... have and never will be afforded 'full and equal rights'"; and "violence was used by the colonists to give themselves 'full and equal rights'".

A NATURAL person has FULL AND EQUAL RIGHTS...but the so-called person described as "negro" or "black" denotes a POLITICAL STATUS...and isn't recognized as having "full and equal rights" globally...the so-called "negro" is beholden to others and isn't sovereign in relation to nationality....

Abdul rahman Ibrahim Ibn Sori was released from captivity because it was realized that his proper status was that of a sovereign (nationality) and not as a "negro"(nationless)...

He was a slave in Mississippi but when the U.S. government was made aware of his proper person, he was afforded the FULL AND EQUAL RIGHTS of a natural person...he met and addressed members of the U.S. Congress and was shipped back to Africa(even though he died before he reached his home).....

One minute Rahman was a slave performing menial tasks in Mississippi under the supervision of another and the next minute he is addressing Congress as an equal...free from the shackles of slavery...as Mike Barnes quoted KRS-One in his thread concerning Ivan Van Sertima(RIP)...WHY IS THAT??????


LAW OF NATIONS
http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm

§ 1. Of the state, and of sovereignty

A NATION or a state is, as has been said at the beginning of this work, a body politic, or a society of men united together for the purpose of promoting their mutual safety and advantage by their combined strength.

From the very design that induces a number of men to form a society which has its common interests, and which is to act in concert, it is necessary that there should be established a Public Authority, to order and direct what is to be done by each in relation to the end of the association. This political authority is the Sovereignty; and he or they who are invested with it are the Sovereign.

§ 4. What are sovereign states.

Every nation that governs itself, under what form soever, without dependence on any foreign power, is a Sovereign State, Its rights are naturally the same as those of any other state. Such are the moral persons who live together in a natural society, subject to the law of nations. To give a nation a right to make an immediate figure in this grand society, it is sufficient that it be really sovereign and independent, that is, that it govern itself by its own authority and laws.

Rahman was a sovereign born of a nation....and he never bought into mindset of the political creation called a "negro" and the STATUS that went along with it...

Who's the 'we' born with full and equal rights?

lets not be coy and pretend that you haven't been paying attention to my posts concerning the Moors...

We went from this....



to THIS...




same person...different POLITICAL STATUS....

[alvin]

alvin's post points out the hypocrisy in the speech, while violence was a successful enterprise by the colonist and by the states througout its history, including the civil war, it is now an unacceptable option then for palestinians

or for American "negros" fighting for their own self-determination(see my post concerning the history of Haiti),,,

see also COINTELPRO...

[Martin Red]

alvin's post points out the hypocrisy in the speech, while violence was a successful enterprise by the colonist and by the states througout its history, including the civil war, it is now an unacceptable option then for palestinians

2009.

[MarkK]

alvin's post points out the hypocrisy in the speech, while violence was a successful enterprise by the colonist and by the states througout its history, including the civil war, it is now an unacceptable option then for palestinians

He also pointedly did NOT refer to the Palestinian fighters as terrorists, which was also a statement in the other direction.

[alvin]

And when the first Muslim American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same holy Quran that one of our founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, kept in his personal library.

I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam at places like al-Azhar that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment.

It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra, our magnetic compass and tools of navigation, our mastery of pens and printing, our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires, timeless poetry and cherished music, elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation

.....Obama is repeating the EXACT SAME THING that Malik Shabazz elaborated on in his interview...Dennis Praeger-Sean Hannity(like most folks regardless of color) couldn't handle the truth and tried to shut M. Shabazz up with the quickness...

[alvin]

I like the fact Alvin has made an effort to explain connections, and makes sense, the first part makes sense, however, this seems to suggest to incite violence (see below), I can't understand what Alvin would expect from the president of the united states in 2009 ?

What would you suggest Alvin ?

I'll comment on this a bit later...gotta pay the bills...

holla

[Martin Red]

He also pointedly did NOT refer to the Palestinian fighters as terrorists, which was also a statement in the other direction.

IRA used to be very good friends with them there terrorists.

Alot of trading between these two groups back in day.

[Martin Red]

I'll comment on this a bit later...gotta pay the bills...

holla

Shit, you just reminded me

thanks.

[mhd]

.....Obama is repeating the EXACT SAME THING that Malik Shabazz elaborated on in his interview...Dennis Praeger-Sean Hannity(like most folks regardless of color) couldn't handle the truth and tried to shut M. Shabazz up with the quickness...

i've known Malik for years

[ngeso]

A NATURAL person has FULL AND EQUAL RIGHTS...but the so-called person described as "negro" or "black" denotes a POLITICAL STATUS...and isn't recognized as having "full and equal rights" globally...the so-called "negro" is beholden to others and isn't sovereign in relation to nationality....

Abdul rahman Ibrahim Ibn Sori was released from captivity because it was realized that his proper status was that of a sovereign (nationality) and not as a "negro"(nationless)...

He was a slave in Mississippi but when the U.S. government was made aware of his proper person, he was afforded the FULL AND EQUAL RIGHTS of a natural person...he met and addressed members of the U.S. Congress and was shipped back to Africa(even though he died before he reached his home).....[...]

[...]Rahman was a sovereign born of a nation....[...]

With nation do you mean Futa (i.e. where he was born) or Morocco (i.e. the treaty partner), or someplace different altogether? I'm asking because I still do not understand your use of the term "nation" properly?

...

[alvin]

With nation do you mean Futa (i.e. where he was born) or Morocco (i.e. the treaty partner), or someplace different altogether? I'm asking because I still do not understand your use of the term "nation" properly?

...

http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm

§ 25. A nation ought to know itself.

We shall conclude this chapter, with observing that a nation ought to know itself. (21) Without this knowledge it cannot make any successful endeavours after its own perfection. It ought to have a just idea of its state, to enable it to take the most proper measures; it ought to know the progress it has already made, and what further advances it has still to make, — what advantages it possesses, and what defects it labours under, in order to preserve the former, and correct the latter. Without this knowledge a nation will act at random, and often take the most improper measures. It will think it acts with great wisdom in imitating the conduct of nations that are reputed wise and skilful, — not perceiving that such or such regulation, such or such practice, though salutary to one state, is often pernicious to another. Every thing ought to be conducted according to its nature. Nations cannot be well governed without such regulations as are suitable to their respective characters; and in order to this, their characters ought to be known.

Abdul Rahman was a highly educated man and was well aware of his nationality and throughout the course of his life he made sure everyone knew he originated from a LAND and not a "state of mind" masquerading as a physical reality...ie. negro

To address your question of understanding the usage of the term "nation" in its regards to the Treaty of Peace and Friendship...

"Morocco" in regards to the treaty relates to an EMPIRE not a nation(in its most restrictive sense)...Morocco at the time was a center of the Moorish empire(which Futa was a member of), with London being the center of the English "empire"(which is why Plenipotentiary of the United States, John Adams signed part of the treaty in London)...remember the phrase..."the sun never sets on the British empire",,,,???


What "empire" was dominate before the English-Spanish-Dutch-Portuguese(proxy nations of Rome) came unto the world stage??? If the sun never set on the British empire....which "empire" did the sun ORIGINALLY rise upon????

Well, lets take a look...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090604/..._wh/obama_text

It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra, our magnetic compass and tools of navigation, our mastery of pens and printing, our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires, timeless poetry and cherished music, elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation.

If I'm not mistaken the knowledge for these innovations came from Kemet-Egypt-Akebulan-North Africa(or whichever frame of reference you want to use...LOL)....and this science was co-opted into what became known as Islamic innovations which helped to foster the European "Renaissance and Enlightenment" that Obama mentioned in his speech from Egypt...this is the exact same knowledge that is basis of the signs and symbols of Freemasonry...

[Bill Blake]

But more important matters: Alvin can’t do algebra.

[Bill Blake]

Hey Alivn, I took, as electives, and not even part of my major at university:

Pre-calculus
Trigonometry
Calculus one
Calculus two

You?

Tell me more about the math of the black man...I'm dying to know...

[alvin]

it is true, Alvin does incite violence in this post. very interesting.

http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm

§ 16. A nation is under an obligation to preserve itself.

In the act of association, by virtue of which a multitude of men form together a state or nation, each individual has entered into engagements with all, to promote the general welfare; and all have entered into engagements with each individual, to facilitate for him the means of supplying his necessities, and to protect and defend him. It is manifest that these reciprocal engagements can no otherwise be fulfilled than by maintaining the political association. The entire nation is then obliged to maintain that association; and as their preservation depends on its continuance, it thence follows that every nation is obliged to perform the duty of self-preservation,

§ 17. And to preserve its members.

If a nation is obliged to preserve itself, it is no less obliged carefully to preserve all its members. The nation owes this to itself, since the loss even of one of its members weakens it, and is injurious to its preservation. It owes this also to the members in particular, in consequence of the very act of association; for those who compose a nation are united for their defence and common advantage; and none can justly be deprived of this union, and of the advantages he expects to derive from it, while he on his side fulfils the conditions. (15)

The body of a nation cannot then abandon a province, a town, or even a single individual who is a part of it, unless compelled to it by necessity, or indispensably obliged to it by the strongest reasons founded on the public safety. (16)

the "preservation of the public safety" of the "nation" called the U.S. is founded upon the wanton, systematic and pre-meditated violence against those whose concerns are deemed "minor" in comparsion to the "majority"...but whose fault is it if the person who is the recipient of this wanton, systematic and pre-meditated violence fails to wake up from his situation...???

[alvin]

Hey Alivn, I took, as electives, and not even part of my major at university:

Pre-calculus
Trigonometry
Calculus one
Calculus two

You?

Tell me more about the math of the black man...I'm dying to know...

if you insist....

To Egypt alone can be attributed complex geometrical temple and tabernacle designs, numerical calculations and colonnades. One should remember that while the architectural concept of the arh comes from ancient Sumeria and that of the vault from Babylon, it is a fact, albeit one that present day Jewish historians would dearly like to forget, that both Jewish mysticism and Solomonic architectural lore drew from Egypt in concept. Islam never rejected the ancient knowledge of the countries they took over. In fact, it simply amalgamated the best from each into its own philosophy and propagated that philosophy to the far confines of its growing empire.

Suddenly, via the Islamic liberalism of Cordoba, the West was opened to popular works of medicine, astrology, geography and agriculture. Poetry reached a level as yet unparalled, journalism came into being, academics of belles lettres were founded, books of grammar and pure mathematical sciences were printed. Astronomical data, such as the fact that the orbits of planets are not circular but oviod (thus anticipating Johannes Kepler by centuries) were published, and astrolabes were introduced into the West. The first printed nautical maps originated from Muslim Granada. Muslim Spain, and Cordoba in particular, eclipsed all else in Europe, including Rome (but save perhaps Islamic-influenced Sicily).

-THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS OF THE MIDDLE EAST: The Hidden History of the Islamic Origins of Freemasonry by HRH Prince Michael of Albany and Walid Amine Salhab(2006)

text from Obama's speech in Egypt:

It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra, our magnetic compass and tools of navigation, our mastery of pens and printing, our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires, timeless poetry and cherished music, elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation

WOW!!! I wonder if Obama belongs to the same book club as I....

[alvin]

But more important matters: Alvin can’t do algebra

Hey Alivn, I took, as electives, and not even part of my major at university:

Pre-calculus
Trigonometry
Calculus one
Calculus two

You?

Tell me more about the math of the black man...I'm dying to know...

[Monny JcIntosh]

A NATURAL person has FULL AND EQUAL RIGHTS...but the so-called person described as "negro" or "black" denotes a POLITICAL STATUS...and isn't recognized as having "full and equal rights" globally...the so-called "negro" is beholden to others and isn't sovereign in relation to nationality....

Abdul rahman Ibrahim Ibn Sori was released from captivity because it was realized that his proper status was that of a sovereign (nationality) and not as a "negro"(nationless)...

He was a slave in Mississippi but when the U.S. government was made aware of his proper person, he was afforded the FULL AND EQUAL RIGHTS of a natural person...he met and addressed members of the U.S. Congress and was shipped back to Africa(even though he died before he reached his home).....

One minute Rahman was a slave performing menial tasks in Mississippi under the supervision of another and the next minute he is addressing Congress as an equal...free from the shackles of slavery...as Mike Barnes quoted KRS-One in his thread concerning Ivan Van Sertima(RIP)...WHY IS THAT??????


LAW OF NATIONS
http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm





Rahman was a sovereign born of a nation....and he never bought into mindset of the political creation called a "negro" and the STATUS that went along with it...



lets not be coy and pretend that you haven't been paying attention to my posts concerning the Moors...

We went from this....



to THIS...




same person...different POLITICAL STATUS....

Thanks for the explanation.

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