Obama's Speech in Egypt and Moorish History

[ngeso]

Abdul Rahman was a highly educated man and was well aware of his nationality and throughout the course of his life he made sure everyone knew he originated from a LAND and not a "state of mind" masquerading as a physical reality...ie. negro

To address your question of understanding the usage of the term "nation" in its regards to the Treaty of Peace and Friendship...

"Morocco" in regards to the treaty relates to an EMPIRE not a nation(in its most restrictive sense)...Morocco at the time was a center of the Moorish empire(which Futa was a member of), with London being the center of the English "empire"(which is why Plenipotentiary of the United States, John Adams signed part of the treaty in London)...remember the phrase..."the sun never sets on the British empire",,,,???

Okay. He identified as a Futa national, which was part of the Moorish empire, and he was freed through the action of Sultan Abderrahmane (?) of Morocco. Hope I got that right.

Thanks for answering my question.

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[House]

Hasim Rahman got educated too

[alvin]

Okay. He identified as a Futa national, which was part of the Moorish empire, and he was freed through the action of Sultan Abderrahmane (?) of Morocco. Hope I got that right.

Thanks for answering my question.

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Perhaps you should read the book: PRINCE AMONG SLAVES by Terry Alford...

[alvin]

[/QUOTE]

the historians in the video state that possibly 1/3 of the "slaves"(ie. prisoners of war...ie. the enemy combatants of the era) kidnapped from the old world were Muslim and the "slaves" hid their religion in their music(the Delta Blues)....they also hid their religion in their symbols...when the descendants of these Muslims(and Hebrew ) emigrated to the north(ie. our great-grandparents and grand parents) these symbols were incorporated into the music, culture, gang symbolism, etc. of Northern cities like Chicago...

the symbolism is hidden in plain sight...

http://www.chicagogangs.org//index.p...osessionkill=1

http://chicagogangs.org/index.php?pr=NEWS_180


...and truth be told...the links between the North and the Mississippi Delta are ancient...many of the so-called "negro slaves" were already here...mainstream historians call it the "Moundbuilder" culture or Adena-Hopewell culture...notice the similiarities between the symbols of the Moundbuilder culture and that of gang hand signs and pyramid symbols...

http://www.noaca.org/PREREC.HTML
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopewell_culture
http://chicagogangs.org/index.php?pr=HANDBPSN
http://chicagogangs.org/index.php?pr=HANDBDN
http://ohsweb.ohiohistory.org/places/sw12/index.shtml
http://chicagogangs.org/index.php?pr=HANDSC

also notice the upside down pyramid of the Ohio State emblem(to go along with the vivid imagery of the Miamisburg Mound) and that of the gang signs...

[alvin]

[kaaos]

Hasim Rahman got educated too

remeber that skit where the bump started talking??? i think it was jimmy kimmel or may best dam sports show...i nearly pissed my pants laughing so hard

[Moksha]

http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm
If I'm not mistaken the knowledge for these innovations came from Kemet-Egypt-Akebulan-North Africa(or whichever frame of reference you want to use...LOL)....and this science was co-opted into what became known as Islamic innovations which helped to foster the European "Renaissance and Enlightenment" that Obama mentioned in his speech from Egypt...this is the exact same knowledge that is basis of the signs and symbols of Freemasonry...

You are mistaken - the knowlege for those innovations came from China and India.

[mhd]

You are mistaken - the knowlege for those innovations came from China and India.

please elaborate and or cite

[Sal Paradise]

Alvin some one Posted this LINK, up on another board. It's an E Book of

BLACK ATHENA The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization
by Martin Bernal

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8VXIQVAT

Have not read the book myself but looks very interesting.

[alvin]

One of the most ancient stems in Teutonic names is mar, (Old High German mari, illustrious), which is found in five names of the 1st cent., two of the 2nd, one of the 3rd, and nine of the 4th. Hence it was widely spread, as Forste- mann remarks, over all the German tribes. It does not seem, however, to be found in Old Norse names, or to have been common among the Anglo- Saxons. It is most frequent as a termination, and in English names generally takes the Saxon form more. As a prefix there are other words liable to intermix, as Anglo-Saxon maere, horse, p. 79. Grimm also refers (Deutsch. Gramm.) to mari, the sea.

A stem which may perhaps come in here is more or moor, respecting which Forstemann remarks—" a not uncommon but an uncertain stem, for which I scarcely dare venture to think of the Old High German mor, Aethiops." Yet if there were names derived from the Huns, I do not quite see why not from the Moors, whose name must have been familiar to most of the German peoples. At the same time, it will perhaps be safer to take the more general sense of dark or swarthy complexion.

Mor, Moor, Dark.

SIMPLE FORMS.

Old German Maur, Mauri, Mor, Moro, Mora, Moor, 6th

cent. Eng. More, Morey, Maury, Morrow, Moore. Mod. Germ. Mohr French Maur, Maurey, More, Moreau.

DIMINUTIVES.

Old Germ. Maurilo, 8th cent.—English Morell—Mod. Germ. Mohrle—French Maurel, Morel. Old German Mauroleno, Morlenus, 7th cent.—English Morling—French Morillon, Mourlon. Old German Mauremia, 9th cent.— French Moriame.

PHONETIC ENDING.

Old German Morino, 8th cent. Morin, Hund. Rolls. English Moran, Moorhen. Mod. Germ. Mohrin. French

Maurin.

Patronymics.

Old German Mauring, 8th cent. Mod. Germ. Morino. French Maurenque.

COMPOUNDS.

(Bert, famous) Old Germ. Maurbert, Morbraht, 8th cent. —Eng. Morebread ? (Hard, fortis) Old German Morhard, 8th cent.—Modern German Mohrhard—French Morard. (Hari, -warrior) Old Germ. Maurhar, 8th cent.—Mod. Germ. Maurer—French Maurier. (Lac, play) Old Germ. Maur- lach, 8th cent.—English Morlock—French Mourlaque

(Helm) French Morihalm. (Man) English Moreman, Moorman—Modern German Mohrmann. (Ward) English Morward.

-THE TEUTONIC NAME SYSTEM APPLIED TO THE FAMILY NAMES OF FRANCE, ENGLAND AND GERMANY by Robert Ferguson (1864)
http://books.google.com/books?id=7DY...esult&resnum=1

[alvin]

You are mistaken - the knowlege for those innovations came from China and India.

CHINA

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat.../27/2003212815

For the past 100 years or so, the Saisiyat tribe (賽夏族) has performed the songs and rites of the festival to bring good harvests, ward off bad luck and keep alive the spirit of a race of people who are said to have preceded all others in Taiwan.

In fact, the short, black men the festival celebrates are one of the most ancient types of modern humans on this planet and their kin still survive in Asia today. They are said to be diminutive Africoids and are variously called Pygmies, Negritos and Aeta. They are found in the Philippines, northern Malaysia, Thailand, Sumatra in Indonesia and other places.

Chinese historians called them "black dwarfs" in the Three Kingdoms period (AD 220 to AD 280) and they were still to be found in China during the Qing dynasty (1644 to 1911). In Taiwan they were called the "Little Black People" and, apart from being diminutive, they were also said to be broad-nosed and dark-skinned with curly hair.

INDIA

The antiquity of man in India is believed to go back about half a million years. Small tribes of Negrito pgymies-related to the Negroes of Africa - wandered over the thickly forested country, hunting and collecting whatever they could find to eat, and putting up their camps along river beds or in natural caves.

Later, Proto-Australians immigrated, surviving in the Chenchus, Malayans, Kadars, Kurumbas, Yeruvas and other jungle-tribes of Central and Southern India. Still later came the proto-Mediterraneans, who had some last Negroid characteristics.

-THE ART OF INDIAby Hermann Goetz(1964)



BAGH CAVE PAINTING


AJANTA CAVE PAINTING

[Ron la Rock]

now that was real & 1 of your more clear cut refferences I saw that the other night and clearly some dots are connecting here (aside frm clowning as well) aside frm that Alvin you still need less of moorish

[bomb cola]

.....Obama is repeating the EXACT SAME THING that Malik Shabazz elaborated on in his interview...Dennis Praeger-Sean Hannity(like most folks regardless of color) couldn't handle the truth and tried to shut M. Shabazz up with the quickness...

It's really interesting that Shabazz mentions that the SCOTUS has a bust of the Prophet Mohammed in its Rotunda (at the 0.47 mark). I don't know if it's true or not, but I would think that having the bust would be a HUGE problem for the Muslim community, nationally and internationally. It didn't seem to bother Shabazz one bit.

[alvin]

now that was real & 1 of your more clear cut refferences I saw that the other night and clearly some dots are connecting here (aside frm clowning as well) aside frm that Alvin you still need less of moorish

Less of Moorish????

Armorial families : a directory of gentlemen of coat-armour (1905)
http://www.archive.org/details/armorialfamilies00foxd
http://www.archive.org/details/armorialfamilies02foxd

notice the page heading...MOO...a subliminally coded message...



QUEEN MOO and the EGYPTIAN SPHINX
http://www.archive.org/details/queen...egyp00unkngoog

The Mayas, the source of their history. Dr. Le Plongeon in Yucatan, his account of discoveries (1877)
http://www.archive.org/details/mayas...fthe00salirich

who are the Mu..Moo...Moors...Mu'urs...????

And why is it important for the Catholic Church to be represented by this QUEEN MOO as we head toward 2012(of the MAYAN calander)???

[Monny JcIntosh]

You are mistaken - the knowlege for those innovations came from China and India.

To speak only of mathematics:

Ancient India and Egypt both knew geometry, but it may have been known earlier. Ancient China also knew geometry, but there's no evidence I know of that it was earlier than India and Egypt. The Chou Pei Suan Ching, which is a well known book of astronomical calculations, is from around 1300BC at the earliest, but most likely 300BC.

It is a bit silly to say that the knowledge for Islamic innovations in mathematics came from one of these sources, rather than another. The proximate causes were Greek, Persian, Indian, Mesopotamian - but where, in turn, all that came from is a very complicated story.

[mhd]

To speak only of mathematics:

Ancient India and Egypt both knew geometry, but it may have been known earlier. Ancient China also knew geometry, but there's no evidence I know of that it was earlier than India and Egypt. The Chou Pei Suan Ching, which is a well known book of astronomical calculations, is from around 1300BC at the earliest, but most likely 300BC.

It is a bit silly to say that the knowledge for Islamic innovations in mathematics came from one of these sources, rather than another. The proximate causes were Greek, Persian, Indian, Mesopotamian - but where, in turn, all that came from is a very complicated story.

"proximate cause" - interesting choice of words

[djmarbll]

To speak only of mathematics:

Ancient India and Egypt both knew geometry, but it may have been known earlier. Ancient China also knew geometry, but there's no evidence I know of that it was earlier than India and Egypt. The Chou Pei Suan Ching, which is a well known book of astronomical calculations, is from around 1300BC at the earliest, but most likely 300BC.

It is a bit silly to say that the knowledge for Islamic innovations in mathematics came from one of these sources, rather than another. The proximate causes were Greek, Persian, Indian, Mesopotamian - but where, in turn, all that came from is a very complicated story.

Runoko Rashidi mentions how in China and India knew of mathematics in ancient times, but he also mentions the African influence Alvin brought up.

In college, I was taught in astronomy class that the Sumerians, who my professor made an effort to point out were black people, were the original astronomers and knew of mathematics as well. In addition, by the time Khufu's pyramid was built in Kemet in 4500 B. C., advanced mathematics would have had to be applied since you can't even slide a sheet of paper in between the 50-ton blocks of stone. Imhotep was known for building step pyramids as well. Also, right triangles carved in stone in Kemet show Asar (known to the Greeks as Osiris) as the hypotenuse. So some form of Euclidean mathematics had to be in existence around that time.

[Moksha]

Alvin's quote was this: "algebra, our magnetic compass and tools of navigation, our mastery of pens and printing, our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed."

Of these, the compass and printing press almost certainly were of Chinese origin and trnsmitted to Europe via the ME thanks to the Silk Road trade route (along which a lot of Chinese inventions made their way West).

Whether or not it was Chinese people or black pygmies in Taiwan can be deabted, I guess.

Algebra in its simplest form is probably an Arabic invention, though some of the number theory that is essential to modern algebra (and geomoetry) came from India, including complex quadratic equations (and cubic equations, quartic equations, etc), zero, decimals, etc. Shit, even our number system is of Indian origin.

As far as "tools of navigation" and the stuff about diseases... these are massive topics, which the Middle East undounbtedly contributed greatly to, as have many other regions.

[Monny JcIntosh]

Runoko Rashidi mentions how in China and India knew of mathematics in ancient times, but he also mentions the African influence Alvin brought up.

In college, I was taught in astronomy class that the Sumerians, who my professor made an effort to point out were black people, were the original astronomers and knew of mathematics as well. In addition, by the time Khufu's pyramid was built in Kemet in 4500 B. C., advanced mathematics would have had to be applied since you can't even slide a sheet of paper in between the 50-ton blocks of stone. Imhotep was known for building step pyramids as well. Also, right triangles carved in stone in Kemet show Asar (known to the Greeks as Osiris) as the hypotenuse. So some form of Euclidean mathematics had to be in existence around that time.

I doubt anyone can establish who the "original astronomers" were, if indeed there's such a thing. I doubt they were the Sumerians, anyway - if for no other reason than that the Egyptians were doing astronomy by then, and had a calendar system based on Sirius.

In the history of mathematics, things get murky as soon as try to get any further back than Egypt. Much of what we know about Egyptian mathematics comes from a papyrus in the British Museum, dated to about 1650BC, apparently based on writings from 2000BC, and possibly information handed down from Imhotep.

It could be that Egyptian mathematics came out of nearly nowhere: much of it can be understood as a response to the needs of the growing civilisation developing around the Nile. But perhaps not.

In any case, there's evidence of man counting, and drawing geometric patterns going back much earlier. Bones have been found in the Czech Republic with notches that seemed to serve a numerical purpose. Those are about 30,000 years old (I think).

[Monny JcIntosh]

Alvin's quote was this: "algebra, our magnetic compass and tools of navigation, our mastery of pens and printing, our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed."

Of these, the compass and printing press almost certainly were of Chinese origin and trnsmitted to Europe via the ME thanks to the Silk Road trade route (along which a lot of Chinese inventions made their way West).

Whether or not it was Chinese people or black pygmies in Taiwan can be deabted, I guess.

Algebra in its simplest form is probably an Arabic invention, though some of the number theory that is essential to modern algebra (and geomoetry) came from India, including complex quadratic equations (and cubic equations, quartic equations, etc), zero, decimals, etc. Shit, even our number system is of Indian origin.

As far as "tools of navigation" and the stuff about diseases... these are massive topics, which the Middle East undounbtedly contributed greatly to, as have many other regions.

Sure. I meant to pick up on the idea that Islamic algebra owed its origins to India and China. It's probably anachronistic to say that anyone was doing algebra as such before the muslims, but the stuff it was based on - largely geometry - was as much Greek, Persian and Mesopotamian as Indian.

[djmarbll]

I doubt anyone can establish who the "original astronomers" were, if indeed there's such a thing. I doubt they were the Sumerians, anyway - if for no other reason than that the Egyptians were doing astronomy by then, and had a calendar system based on Sirius.

In the history of mathematics, things get murky as soon as try to get any further back than Egypt. Much of what we know about Egyptian mathematics comes from a papyrus in the British Museum, dated to about 1650BC, apparently based on writings from 2000BC, and possibly information handed down from Imhotep.

It could be that Egyptian mathematics came out of nearly nowhere: much of it can be understood as a response to the needs of the growing civilisation developing around the Nile. But perhaps not.

In any case, there's evidence of man counting, and drawing geometric patterns going back much earlier. Bones have been found in the Czech Republic with notches that seemed to serve a numerical purpose. Those are about 30,000 years old (I think).

Interesting point. I've heard about Kemet becoming a burgeoning civilization based on developing around the Nile, especially since it flows northward and the migration of Africans toward Egypt was from the south and not from the north as James Henry Breasted wanted us to believe, lol.

[alvin]

Alvin's quote was this: "algebra, our magnetic compass and tools of navigation, our mastery of pens and printing, our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed."

Of these, the compass and printing press almost certainly were of Chinese origin and trnsmitted to Europe via the ME thanks to the Silk Road trade route (along which a lot of Chinese inventions made their way West).

Whether or not it was Chinese people or black pygmies in Taiwan can be deabted, I guess.

Algebra in its simplest form is probably an Arabic invention, though some of the number theory that is essential to modern algebra (and geomoetry) came from India, including complex quadratic equations (and cubic equations, quartic equations, etc), zero, decimals, etc. Shit, even our number system is of Indian origin.

As far as "tools of navigation" and the stuff about diseases... these are massive topics, which the Middle East undounbtedly contributed greatly to, as have many other regions.

http://members.tripod.com/~pc93/anacv1b1.htm

Mr. Wilsford, in his treatise on Egypt and the Nile, in the Asiatic Researches, informs us, that many very ancient statues of the God Buddha in India have crisp, curly hair, with flat noses and thick lips; and adds, "nor can it be reasonably doubted, that a race of Negroes formerly had power and pre-eminence in India."

Dr. Pritchard* has observed, that the Brahmins are, as might be expected, the finest formed race in India. He has also shewn, in a very satisfactory manner,** that the ancient Egyptians, the masters of Thebes, were Negroes—or, that they were black, with curly heads.

* P. 390. ** Sect. v. p.376.

Col. Wilford says, "It cannot reasonably be doubted that a race of Negroes had formerly pre-eminence in India."* These were the inhabitants of India in the time of the curly-headed Buddha, who was succeeded, after 2160 years, by the long-haired Cristna—one an incarnation of the solar God in Taurus, the other in Aries.

[Moksha]

http://members.tripod.com/~pc93/anacv1b1.htm

Why can you not give Indian and Chinese people their due? Or did black men create everything, and other races have had no inventions of note?

Enjoy your revisionist history, you racist.

[Bill Blake]

Why can you not give Indian and Chinese people their due? Or did black men create everything, and other races have had no inventions of note?

Enjoy your revisionist history, you racist.

And still, all this coming from a guy that probably never has solved a quadratic equation.

[alvin]

Why can you not give Indian and Chinese people their due? Or did black men create everything, and other races have had no inventions of note?

Enjoy your revisionist history, you racist.

how am I revising history? I'm quoting verbatim from historical sources...

I guess when groups of Taiwanese hold festivals commemorating their ancestors(who happen to be black) and I provide information concerning this fact then I'm guilty of revising a history that even "Asians" agree upon...in your honest opinion of course....???


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