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Of course! That would be illegal and reverse discrimination. </font>[/QUOTE]What's reversed about it?Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ngeso:
side question (honest, B/C i do not know): do esteemed colleges like Morehouse or Spelman admit non-African American students to their programmes?
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absolutely </font>[/QUOTE]Fascism. </font>[/QUOTE]Simple minded... </font>[/QUOTE]Call it what you wish - a predisposition to "OUR" and "WE" and other bullshit is FASCISM. That American history that reflects blacks is BLACK HISTORY is FASCISM.Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by nev m:
Anyone can teach about anything, but the man with who feels the plight will teach it better I reckon.
Negroes in America are a fascist regime without a nation state.
And that the US and the rest of the world don't recognize the direct assimilation and now destruction of the black proletariat in the United States is producing the conditions of fascism in the black community. Ashaki - you and those of your "black first" ilk aren't aware of it because you are the problem. </font>[/QUOTE]Do you live in the black community? and the Fact that you want to look at everything in a big beautiful picture is ignorant. I will not deal with life or race and the issues that surround it as a "what if" scenario....for me and those in my community the shit is real and I will continue to look for and work toward real solutions...it is "what it is"...
Why can't I change my displayed name back to Ashaki?
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it's not because we haven't TRIED to learn about ourselves, don't get it twisted...Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
If I'm not mistaken, most black people (and white people) don't know jack about black history.
...Keep in mind there are white people who care more about black history than some black people.
it's innate for children to want to learn about where they came from...the only thing I was taught was about marta luker king and roots...the shyt was boring and stupid and ignorant, so i didn't bother...my mom was intregal in my being up on black history - but i was at the mercy of her 1940-50's education, which we ALL know that in america, the school system couldn't give less than a hoot, right?
so DON'T say there are white people who care more about black history than black folk and leave it at that...there's a very good reason why you may have that illusion - just because we don't know it doesn't mean we don't care...if we knew and were exposed to all the excellence, triumphs and achievements our people made, you think we WOULDN'T care more than others?
~formerly Ms. Rickey X~
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period.Originally posted by nev m:
Anyone can teach about anything, but the man with who feels the plight will teach it better I reckon.
~formerly Ms. Rickey X~
absolutely </font>[/QUOTE]Fascism. </font>[/QUOTE]Simple minded... </font>[/QUOTE]Call it what you wish - a predisposition to "OUR" and "WE" and other bullshit is FASCISM. That American history that reflects blacks is BLACK HISTORY is FASCISM.Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by nev m:
Anyone can teach about anything, but the man with who feels the plight will teach it better I reckon.
Negroes in America are a fascist regime without a nation state.
And that the US and the rest of the world don't recognize the direct assimilation and now destruction of the black proletariat in the United States is producing the conditions of fascism in the black community. Ashaki - you and those of your "black first" ilk aren't aware of it because you are the problem. </font>[/QUOTE]Do you live in the black community? and the Fact that you want to look at everything in a big beautiful picture is ignorant. I will not deal with life or race and the issues that surround it as a "what if" scenario....for me and those in my community the shit is real and I will continue to look for and work toward real solutions...it is "what it is"... </font>[/QUOTE]Again - more fascism. If I did or didn't live in the "black community" is a prequalifier for my views? If I did, would I make more sense to you?
"The shit is real." - nice propaganda response. Real solutions.
You need to get off that foolish master race bullshit and maybe take a few trips out of your beloved "black community".
BTW - "black community" = slave pens.
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When Linda teaches Art History she teaches "all" history. If you were in her class you would realize whats not being taught.
-G
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period. </font>[/QUOTE]Passion without intelligence = destruction. Those who have the quality of temperance make the best teachers.Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by nev m:
Anyone can teach about anything, but the man with who feels the plight will teach it better I reckon.
Black History month in my school was tantamount to black propaganda. We got myths and heroic tales of triumph with wonderfully artistic portraiture and simplistic facts about these saints of the negro experience.
It was the reverse to the "one paragraph" problem described by others. It was the other extreme and just as hollow to my education.
COGNITION.
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Of course! That would be illegal and reverse discrimination. </font>[/QUOTE]What's reversed about it? </font>[/QUOTE]Ahh..the reason those schools were created in the first place - because the children of slave owners and former slaves who wanted a high education were not allowed to go to white institutions - ya know Plessy V. Feurgeson (seperate but equal)...so for us to say you can't come here because you are white would be reverse descrimination.Originally posted by Dr. Freud:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ngeso:
side question (honest, B/C i do not know): do esteemed colleges like Morehouse or Spelman admit non-African American students to their programmes?
It ain't how much you know, it's what you do with what you do know!
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it's not because we haven't TRIED to learn about ourselves, don't get it twisted...Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
If I'm not mistaken, most black people (and white people) don't know jack about black history.
...Keep in mind there are white people who care more about black history than some black people.
it's innate for children to want to learn about where they came from...the only thing I was taught was about marta luker king and roots...the shyt was boring and stupid and ignorant, so i didn't bother...my mom was intregal in my being up on black history - but i was at the mercy of her 1940-50's education, which we ALL know that in america, the school system couldn't give less than a hoot, right?
so DON'T say there are white people who care more about black history than black folk and leave it at that...there's a very good reason why you may have that illusion - just because we don't know it doesn't mean we don't care...if we knew and were exposed to all the excellence, triumphs and achievements our people made, you think we WOULDN'T care more than others? </font>[/QUOTE]The only illusion you have is that all black people want to learn about black history. Not all people care about where they are from. Same goes for whites. All I am saying is that there are some whites that care about it more than blacks do, the proof is the ones who major in it in college, and end up teaching the classes in the end.
It sucks that black education is not part of elementary schools. It is a good thing though that if blacks DO want to learn about it, they can go to the library and pick up a book and educate themselves on it until the school curriculum is changed.
As far as TRY to learn? You gotta be kidding me, it's not that hard to educate yourself on ANY subjects that aren't taught as part of an official school curriculum with libraries, bookstores, PBS, and the internet available to people of all genders, colors, and economic class.
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absolutely </font>[/QUOTE]Fascism. </font>[/QUOTE]Simple minded... </font>[/QUOTE]Call it what you wish - a predisposition to "OUR" and "WE" and other bullshit is FASCISM. That American history that reflects blacks is BLACK HISTORY is FASCISM.Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by nev m:
Anyone can teach about anything, but the man with who feels the plight will teach it better I reckon.
Negroes in America are a fascist regime without a nation state.
And that the US and the rest of the world don't recognize the direct assimilation and now destruction of the black proletariat in the United States is producing the conditions of fascism in the black community. Ashaki - you and those of your "black first" ilk aren't aware of it because you are the problem. </font>[/QUOTE]Do you live in the black community? and the Fact that you want to look at everything in a big beautiful picture is ignorant. I will not deal with life or race and the issues that surround it as a "what if" scenario....for me and those in my community the shit is real and I will continue to look for and work toward real solutions...it is "what it is"... </font>[/QUOTE]Again - more fascism. If I did or didn't live in the "black community" is a prequalifier for my views? If I did, would I make more sense to you?
"The shit is real." - nice propaganda response. Real solutions.
You need to get off that foolish master race bullshit and maybe take a few trips out of your beloved "black community".
BTW - "black community" = slave pens. </font>[/QUOTE]Been out of my Black community, have 2 degrees, and traveled the world...so now what...let me say this to you and be through with it...you've offered your way of looking at things...I don't agree as simple as that...I'VE REJECTED your logic and your way of understanding, so get over it and yourself, actually once I hit the "add reply" button, I will be so over you....the fact that I HAVE LOVE FOR MY PEOPLE and am devoted to making things better for "us" is MY purpose..I have 2 sons who will not only be judged by their character but also by the color of their skin...it's apparent, it's inevitable, it's ****ing real....so for me, it means preparing them to be the best BLACK MEN that they can be, and I would do the same outside of my "beloved slave pen"....com-pren-****ing-de....
peace
Why can't I change my displayed name back to Ashaki?
absolutely </font>[/QUOTE]Fascism. </font>[/QUOTE]Simple minded... </font>[/QUOTE]Call it what you wish - a predisposition to "OUR" and "WE" and other bullshit is FASCISM. That American history that reflects blacks is BLACK HISTORY is FASCISM.Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by nev m:
Anyone can teach about anything, but the man with who feels the plight will teach it better I reckon.
Negroes in America are a fascist regime without a nation state.
And that the US and the rest of the world don't recognize the direct assimilation and now destruction of the black proletariat in the United States is producing the conditions of fascism in the black community. Ashaki - you and those of your "black first" ilk aren't aware of it because you are the problem. </font>[/QUOTE]Do you live in the black community? and the Fact that you want to look at everything in a big beautiful picture is ignorant. I will not deal with life or race and the issues that surround it as a "what if" scenario....for me and those in my community the shit is real and I will continue to look for and work toward real solutions...it is "what it is"... </font>[/QUOTE]Again - more fascism. If I did or didn't live in the "black community" is a prequalifier for my views? If I did, would I make more sense to you?
"The shit is real." - nice propaganda response. Real solutions.
You need to get off that foolish master race bullshit and maybe take a few trips out of your beloved "black community".
BTW - "black community" = slave pens. </font>[/QUOTE]Been out of my Black community, have 2 degrees, and traveled the world...so now what...let me say this to you and be through with it...you've offered your way of looking at things...I don't agree as simple as that...I'VE REJECTED your logic and your way of understanding, so get over it and yourself, actually once I hit the "add reply" button, I will be so over you....the fact that I HAVE LOVE FOR MY PEOPLE and am devoted to making things better for "us" is MY purpose..I have 2 sons who will not only be judged by their character but also by the color of their skin...it's apparent, it's inevitable, it's ****ing real....so for me, it means preparing them to be the best BLACK MEN that they can be, and I would do the same outside of my "beloved slave pen"....com-pren-****ing-de....
peace </font>[/QUOTE]Heil! I make certain my jackboots are shined.
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Leslie:
Understood... but I say descrimination is descrimination, no matter which way the arrow is pointed. There's nothing about the word "descrimination" that implies only whites can be guilty of it, so why create another term for it when whites are the victims of it?
-Peace
[ May 16, 2003, 11:40 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Freud ]
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G - what grade does she teach? and is the curriculum dictated to her, does she have much flexibility?Originally posted by Gman:
When Linda teaches Art History she teaches "all" history. If you were in her class you would realize whats not being taught.
-G
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whites created that termOriginally posted by Dr. Freud:
Leslie:
Understood... but I say descrimination is descrimination, no matter which way the arrow is pointed. There's nothing about the word "descrimination" that implies only whites can be guilty of it, so why create another term for it when whites are the victims of it?
-Peace
it's not because we haven't TRIED to learn about ourselves, don't get it twisted...Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
If I'm not mistaken, most black people (and white people) don't know jack about black history.
...Keep in mind there are white people who care more about black history than some black people.
it's innate for children to want to learn about where they came from...the only thing I was taught was about marta luker king and roots...the shyt was boring and stupid and ignorant, so i didn't bother...my mom was intregal in my being up on black history - but i was at the mercy of her 1940-50's education, which we ALL know that in america, the school system couldn't give less than a hoot, right?
so DON'T say there are white people who care more about black history than black folk and leave it at that...there's a very good reason why you may have that illusion - just because we don't know it doesn't mean we don't care...if we knew and were exposed to all the excellence, triumphs and achievements our people made, you think we WOULDN'T care more than others? </font>[/QUOTE]The only illusion you have is that all black people want to learn about black history. Not all people care about where they are from. Same goes for whites. All I am saying is that there are some whites that care about it more than blacks do, the proof is the ones who major in it in college, and end up teaching the classes in the end.
It sucks that black education is not part of elementary schools. It is a good thing though that if blacks DO want to learn about it, they can go to the library and pick up a book and educate themselves on it until the school curriculum is changed.
As far as TRY to learn? You gotta be kidding me, it's not that hard to educate yourself on ANY subjects that aren't taught as part of an official school curriculum with libraries, bookstores, PBS, and the internet available to people of all genders, colors, and economic class. </font>[/QUOTE]But then everyone wouldn't be learning the same thing, Donger. Free association - one black kid's "black history" wouldn't be the same as another's. We require UNIFORMITY.
The "black community" wouldn't have a standard for propaganda. We can't have that, now can we.
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i would be curious to hear an example of some of these myths.Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Black History month in my school was tantamount to black propaganda. We got myths and heroic tales of triumph with wonderfully artistic portraiture and simplistic facts about these saints of the negro experience.
"We're not just dancing to have fun-we're dancing for survival. We're dancing to save our lives." PTT
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Def not reverse. Check it:Originally posted by Dr. Freud:
Leslie:
Understood... but I say descrimination is descrimination, no matter which way the arrow is pointed. There's nothing about the word "descrimination" that implies only whites can be guilty of it, so why create another term for it when whites are the victims of it?
-Peace
Disrimination: the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually b : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment <racial discrimination>
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Actually, my oldest sons teacher is white, and she is the absolute best teacher that he has had so far....and until parents make enough noise about the cirriculums that are being taught in these public schools, nothing will change...and for those who are waiting for "African/African-American" history to all of a sudden appear on the agenda....don't hold your breaths...
The information is there if we want it, it's up to us to go forth and seek it out...
Why can't I change my displayed name back to Ashaki?
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Def not reverse. Check it:Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dr. Freud:
Leslie:
Understood... but I say descrimination is descrimination, no matter which way the arrow is pointed. There's nothing about the word "descrimination" that implies only whites can be guilty of it, so why create another term for it when whites are the victims of it?
-Peace
Disrimination: the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually b : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment <racial discrimination> </font>[/QUOTE]whites created that term
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whites created that term </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks... but so what?Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dr. Freud:
Leslie:
Understood... but I say descrimination is descrimination, no matter which way the arrow is pointed. There's nothing about the word "descrimination" that implies only whites can be guilty of it, so why create another term for it when whites are the victims of it?
-Peace
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What mhd said...Originally posted by Dr. Freud:
Leslie:
Understood... but I say descrimination is descrimination, no matter which way the arrow is pointed. There's nothing about the word "descrimination" that implies only whites can be guilty of it, so why create another term for it when whites are the victims of it?
-Peace
It ain't how much you know, it's what you do with what you do know!
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and you think that the "proof" is because lots and lots of white folk have majored in it and teach it? are you kiddin' or just ill-informed?Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
The only illusion you have is that all black people want to learn about black history. Not all people care about where they are from. Same goes for whites. All I am saying is that there are some whites that care about it more than blacks do, the proof is the ones who major in it in college, and end up teaching the classes in the end.
It sucks that black education is not part of elementary schools. It is a good thing though that if blacks DO want to learn about it, they can go to the library and pick up a book and educate themselves on it until the school curriculum is changed.
As far as TRY to learn? You gotta be kidding me, it's not that hard to educate yourself on ANY subjects that aren't taught as part of an official school curriculum with libraries, bookstores, PBS, and the internet available to people of all genders, colors, and economic class.
and EXCUSE me, but what library are you speaking of that all black folk can go to and simply pick up a book about black folk and learn our history? son, not all libraries in our communities have these resources and, as in where i live, you must live here to access the library...
come better than that...you ain't saying shyt trying to convince me that we're not interested in our OWN...
either you're white and jaded or black and need to spend nore time with your people...
[ May 16, 2003, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: Ms Rickey X ]
~formerly Ms. Rickey X~
Def not reverse. Check it:Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dr. Freud:
Leslie:
Understood... but I say descrimination is descrimination, no matter which way the arrow is pointed. There's nothing about the word "descrimination" that implies only whites can be guilty of it, so why create another term for it when whites are the victims of it?
-Peace
Disrimination: the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually b : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment <racial discrimination> </font>[/QUOTE]And this is an example of what I believe is the propensity of those in the "black community" to delude themselves as being separate.
Racism against blacks is different than any other racism.
The english language and its standard word definitions are inadequate to describe the experience of blacks.
Try to foster an understanding that is UNIVERSAL and "you just don't understand because you (insert any of the following
"don't live in the black community"
"have married outside the black community"
"haven't been educated in OUR HISTORY"
It's all a very destructive crock of shit.
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period. </font>[/QUOTE]Passion without intelligence = destruction. Those who have the quality of temperance make the best teachers.Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by nev m:
Anyone can teach about anything, but the man with who feels the plight will teach it better I reckon.
Black History month in my school was tantamount to black propaganda. We got myths and heroic tales of triumph with wonderfully artistic portraiture and simplistic facts about these saints of the negro experience.
It was the reverse to the "one paragraph" problem described by others. It was the other extreme and just as hollow to my education.
COGNITION. </font>[/QUOTE]agreed, but if you have "passion", then you are able to "feel the plight"...
~formerly Ms. Rickey X~
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What mhd said... </font>[/QUOTE]Again, I say: So what? You used the term. Why did you choose to use that word? Could the word "Discrimination" (without the "reverse") have been used to convey the same message?Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dr. Freud:
Leslie:
Understood... but I say descrimination is descrimination, no matter which way the arrow is pointed. There's nothing about the word "descrimination" that implies only whites can be guilty of it, so why create another term for it when whites are the victims of it?
-Peace
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