metaphorically speaking, can white people do cornrows?

[jimmymack-2000]

Ole Mistah Charlie just loves him these kindsa threads... [img]graemlins/cool_shades.gif[/img]

[mhd]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Ole Mistah Charlie just loves him these kindsa threads... [img]graemlins/cool_shades.gif[/img]

that's a very revealing statement

[RX]

Originally posted by Orion:
2. Donger wrote "some" into the post that sent Ricky X off.

sweetheart, when you tell me how you and donger can measure how much i "care" about my history based on my education and the fact that i teach, and how much i "don't care" about my history based on the fact that i don't teach and it be true, i'll kiss donger's ass...

[The Donger]

Apparently the schools in Miss Rickey X's town are just as bad as the libraries.

Get back to us when you learn the definition of the word "some".

Then you can pucker up and kiss my ass. Remind me not to wash it for a week.

[ May 16, 2003, 01:54 PM: Message edited by: Ghost Of Donger ]

[Moksha]

Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion:
2. Donger wrote "some" into the post that sent Ricky X off.

sweetheart, when you tell me how you and donger can measure how much i "care" about my history based on my education and the fact that i teach, and how much i "don't care" about my history based on the fact that i don't teach and it be true, i'll kiss donger's ass... </font>[/QUOTE]Hey...easy. I didn't say anything about how much you care about history. I'm not arguing about any of that. I'm just saying that Donger's statement of: "Keep in mind there are white people who care more about black history than some black people" is undeniably correct. I can go and find examples of this phenomenon.

You replied with: “so DON'T say there are white people who care more about black history than black folk and leave it at that...there's a very good reason why you may have that illusion - just because we don't know it doesn't mean we don't care...if we knew and were exposed to all the excellence, triumphs and achievements our people made, you think we WOULDN'T care more than others?”

I think that it is impossible for you to speak for all black people (“we”), and there are sure to be "some" black people out there that couldn’t care less… Just as there are some Asian people that don’t care about Asian history, and house music lovers who don’t care about house’s history, or some Americans that don’t care about American history (which could be said for the vast majority of them). I think that "some" could even be replaced with "a lot" or "most" in all of the above statements.

However, please re-read my post. I am not stating that this fact is at all important. It many ways, it seems like a pretty insignificant thing for Donger to bring up.

Finally—I hope you NEVER have to kiss Donger’s ass. I’m sure in would be a terribly unpleasant experience! ;)

[RX]

orion, i'd never have to kiss his ass because he'll never be right in what he's stated about black folk "caring" about history, get it?

so don't worry 'bout lil' ol' me... [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

anyhoo, if said supposed ass kissee's statements were that general and that meaningless, they truly meant nothing and had no weight...makes sense...

okay...i'll seek a better thread to dig in, like "the matrix"...yeah...

[The Donger]

100% relevent.

The thread is asking if a white person is capable of teaching black history on a deeper level.

If some white people care that much about black history even more so than some blacks do, they would be capable of teaching it "properly" if they were that passionate about it.

[ May 16, 2003, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: Ghost Of Donger ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
100% relevent you ass kissing sluts.

The thread is asking if a white person is capable of teaching black history on a deeper level.

If some white people care that much about black history even more so than some blacks do, they would be capable of teaching it "properly" if they were that passionate about it.

Now pucker up.

all jokes aside, we have tried to communicate as adults but you won't let that happen. you should be very careful how you address people. there are limits

[RX]

i knew it would come out eventually...

[The Donger]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
100% relevent you ass kissing sluts.

The thread is asking if a white person is capable of teaching black history on a deeper level.

If some white people care that much about black history even more so than some blacks do, they would be capable of teaching it "properly" if they were that passionate about it.

Now pucker up.

all jokes aside, we have tried to communicate as adults but you won't let that happen. you should be very careful how you address people. there are limits </font>[/QUOTE]They offered up the ass kissing, obviously there is some humor going on, unless Miss Rickey X was dead serious about kissing my ass. I was just returning the humor.

You may need a break, you seem to have a lot of trouble comprehending my posts today...

[mhd]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
100% relevent you ass kissing sluts.

The thread is asking if a white person is capable of teaching black history on a deeper level.

If some white people care that much about black history even more so than some blacks do, they would be capable of teaching it "properly" if they were that passionate about it.

Now pucker up.

all jokes aside, we have tried to communicate as adults but you won't let that happen. you should be very careful how you address people. there are limits </font>[/QUOTE]They offered up the ass kissing, obviously there is some humor going on, unless Miss Rickey X was dead serious about kissing my ass. I was just returning the humor.

You may need a break, you seem to have a lot of trouble comprehending my posts today... </font>[/QUOTE]get some class or a GED

[The Donger]

Originally posted by mhd:
get some class or a GED

So you can live vicariously through me?

The man with the social skills... right.

[The Donger]

Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
i knew it would come out eventually...

I just edited my post.

You don't like jokes, then don't joke with me.

Now go and edit your post.

[RX]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
i knew it would come out eventually...

I just edited my post.

You don't like jokes, then don't joke with me.

Now go and edit your post. </font>[/QUOTE]that's the different between you and me, dawg...you're funny... [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] and almost got banned, by the way... [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

[ May 16, 2003, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: Ms Rickey X ]

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gman:
When Linda teaches Art History she teaches "all" history. If you were in her class you would realize whats not being taught.

-G

G - what grade does she teach? and is the curriculum dictated to her, does she have much flexibility? </font>[/QUOTE]She teaches Middle School (6-8th). There is a minimum required curriculum (inadequate) but she is allowed to augment that with additional coursework. She has a lot of flexibility.

-G

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:

Not much was REAL about it.

What exactly do you want? What is your definition of real? Be specific and if you can't be then step down off the box.... [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]I think he means Black history type hype like the counter part to 'George Washington chopped down the cherry tree' shit.

[The Donger]

Those are some lucky kids.

[mhd]

Originally posted by Gman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gman:
When Linda teaches Art History she teaches "all" history. If you were in her class you would realize whats not being taught.

-G

G - what grade does she teach? and is the curriculum dictated to her, does she have much flexibility? </font>[/QUOTE]She teaches Middle School (6-8th). There is a minimum required curriculum (inadequate) but she is allowed to augment that with additional coursework. She has a lot of flexibility.

-G </font>[/QUOTE]Props to Linda, what type of school.
Man, i did not get any decent art history until college and then fell in love with it. Great on the flexibility, my teachers from that period had a lot of influence on me, the type that you have spoken about before.

You and Linda will get a kick out of this. At the Sanctuary that just re-opened and GU is spinning at tomorrow, it is also an Art Gallery. Dorian has a resident painter, Jeff, who painted this beautiful canvass throughout the night of the opening party. it was awesome. Downstairs is the dancefloor and upstairs is the gallery and couches and bar. Very sweet set up.

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gman:
When Linda teaches Art History she teaches "all" history. If you were in her class you would realize whats not being taught.

-G

G - what grade does she teach? and is the curriculum dictated to her, does she have much flexibility? </font>[/QUOTE]She teaches Middle School (6-8th). There is a minimum required curriculum (inadequate) but she is allowed to augment that with additional coursework. She has a lot of flexibility.

-G </font>[/QUOTE]Props to Linda, what type of school.
Man, i did not get any decent art history until college and then fell in love with it. Great on the flexibility, my teachers from that period had a lot of influence on me, the type that you have spoken about before.

You and Linda will get a kick out of this. At the Sanctuary that just re-opened and GU is spinning at tomorrow, it is also an Art Gallery. Dorian has a resident painter, Jeff, who painted this beautiful canvass throughout the night of the opening party. it was awesome. Downstairs is the dancefloor and upstairs is the gallery and couches and bar. Very sweet set up. </font>[/QUOTE]Its a public middle school. She teaches Art History in addition to her normal Art curriculum (painting, drawing, pottery). She loves the teaching part of the job its just the other battles that go on in a school having to adjust to an increasing number of black and asian students that gets to her after a while. Some things she just can't sit by and watch other teachers and the principle get away with. Taking up the battle has almost gotten her fired a couple of times by a vindictive principle and administrators). After one of these battles she got surplused 50% by a principle on the grounds that enrollement had declined and they didn't need her fulltime. The teachers union investigated and found out that not only did enrollment not go down it had gone up during that period. The demanded that she be made whole immediately. Thank god for the teachers union [img]hail.gif[/img] :D .

Anyway watching a artist paint a mural live at a party thru out the night sounds cool. Linda and I would have definitely enjoyed that.

-G

[ May 16, 2003, 04:31 PM: Message edited by: Gman ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by Gman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gman:
When Linda teaches Art History she teaches "all" history. If you were in her class you would realize whats not being taught.

-G

G - what grade does she teach? and is the curriculum dictated to her, does she have much flexibility? </font>[/QUOTE]She teaches Middle School (6-8th). There is a minimum required curriculum (inadequate) but she is allowed to augment that with additional coursework. She has a lot of flexibility.

-G </font>[/QUOTE]Props to Linda, what type of school.
Man, i did not get any decent art history until college and then fell in love with it. Great on the flexibility, my teachers from that period had a lot of influence on me, the type that you have spoken about before.

You and Linda will get a kick out of this. At the Sanctuary that just re-opened and GU is spinning at tomorrow, it is also an Art Gallery. Dorian has a resident painter, Jeff, who painted this beautiful canvass throughout the night of the opening party. it was awesome. Downstairs is the dancefloor and upstairs is the gallery and couches and bar. Very sweet set up. </font>[/QUOTE]Its a public middle school. She teaches Art History in addition to her normal Art curriculum (painting, drawing, pottery). She loves the teaching part of the job its just the other battles that go on in a school having to adjust to an increasing number of black and asian students that gets to her after a while. Some things she just can't sit by and watch other teachers and the principle get away with. Taking up the battle has almost gotten her fired a couple of times by a vindictive principle and administrators). After one of these battles she got surplused 50% by a principle on the grounds that enrollement had declined and they didn't need her fulltime. The teachers union investigated and found out that not only did enrollment not go down it had gone up during that period. The demanded that she be made whole immediately. Thank god for the teachers union [img]hail.gif[/img] :D .

Anyway watching a artist paint a mural live at a party thru out the night sounds cool. Linda and I would have definitely enjoyed that.

-G </font>[/QUOTE]there is a huge battle going on across the country to keep music and art education as part of the curriculum. they are constantly trying to cut them from the public school budget, in spite of the positive impact music and art education can have on a kid. sometimes that is the only thing a kid can connect with in school.

a lot of times the parents will support the art and music teachers as a buffer against the administration, but that's only if the parents are involved and are aware of what is going on.

I'm glad Linda weathered the storm. Tell her to keep doing her thing for those kids. big up to the teacher's union - and their wonderful lawyers!

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:

Not much was REAL about it.

What exactly do you want? What is your definition of real? Be specific and if you can't be then step down off the box.... </font>[/QUOTE]Ah - I get it. This is where I'm supposed to be foolish enough to enter into an arguement that has no logic. Sorry. I'll sidestep that one. </font>[/QUOTE]Forget it...I forgot you are way to intelligent to answer 2 simple quesitons. The correct answer by the way would have been "I don't know" or "I'm still working on understanding myself" But I forgot you are some other plane of conciousness that the rest of us are suppossed to catch up to you on because in your mind your way of thinking and being sets the standard. Funny how you chose now as the time to sidestep. But I'll leave that for you to figure out as to why you chose to address some things and not others and why you can't deal with folks who do not see things the same way you do - arrogance stinks like dog shit too ya know. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]You know - the reason I "chose" to duck out wasn't because of your powerful questioning. It was because of a meeting that was prescheduled. My track record shows I'm always down for debate - as hard or soft as anyone wants to bring it. Ducking out isn't something I do.

Point 1 - REAL in the sense you and I asserted it in the convo is a superlative. Superlatives cannot be defined. If I were to attempt to define real for you, it would be a slippery slope definition. I would rather focus on reaching a conclusion with others.

Point 2 - I define real, in the case of my statement about real history, as obviously subjective but at least MULTIDIMENSIONAL. Black history, as it was taught to me and advocated by other blacks, was not multidimensional. There were heroes, villians and no gray areas. This is not in line with human dynamics.

Funny - I was taught about Greek mythology from the same people. Greek mythology is full of gray areas. Bring up how Martin Luther King's appointment to civil rights movement leadership was due to political machination by the Kennedy Administration and the black establishment that had money to gain or lose and you are vilified as a traitor. How dare you defame his legacy - and all that bullshit.

Point 3 - I see that black people to this day are uncomfortable with those who speak intelligently with authority. How often am I to hear about how "I am attempting to change someone's view, or that I'm arrogant, all knowing, something such as this. Anyone who actually knows me knows this isn't true. Some of us just don't **** around when it comes to debate, and I am one of those someones. Ya dig, bruthas and sistas?!

[ May 16, 2003, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

[Bold Soul]

I'm now off to see the Matrix Reloaded. Please don't accuse me of ducking out again.

[img]graemlins/tongueout.gif[/img]

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by mhd:
.. and their wonderful lawyers!

[img]biggrinangel.gif[/img]

[dVine]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
or maybe blacks just don't succesfully band together to make these changes.

Concur


So why haven't blacks been able to change the amount of black history taught in schools?

see above bold(ed) statement

I would like to hear someone else's view/opinion. </font>[/QUOTE]Rather than some widespread national change, which takes years to bring about, people should lobby their local school boards and have meetings with local teachers so everyone can work together to bring about curriculum change.

And the schools need local teachers from the neighbourhood. I'm seeing friends going back to teachers college, they're realizing the importance of education's impact on young people. There's a thread about free masters of education programs, perhaps someone could repost the info here.

[dVine]

Originally posted by Hk:
(I love questions like this, ya ready....)

MYSELF, for not being smart enough, energetic enough, confident enought to believe, just believe that I can make a difference....

Next question....

Where do you want to see change being made?